Nokia N9 outsells all other phones in Finland during October

Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone. Today, it seems the company should begin wondering this too. According to a press release from Elisa, one of the largest telecommunications companies in Finland, the Nokia N9 was the most popular phone on the market during the month of October for personal customers.

The numbers are crazy, with what we can pull out of the release stating that the Nokia N9 was also the fourth most popular phone amongst business users during October, being slightly beaten by the iPhone 4. It was also pipped by the Nokia E7 (a Symbian device), apparently due to the size of the keyboard, which is popular amongst Finnish business types.

According to the release (translated with Google Translate), Elisa says that "October sales rose to become the Nokia N9 immediately individual customers top-selling phone." Nokia's based in Finland, so we're not surprised the device is popular, but they didn't expect it to be this ​popular did they?

Later this month, the Windows Phone based Lumia devices go on sale around the world, but if early reviews of the device and sales of the N9 are an indication, will it be good enough?

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Agreed. Meego and the N9 have huge potential. It just needs a broad minded company to take it forward. Unfortunately, Nokia is dead set on abandoning it regardless of its success in favour of a poorly received and unsuccessful OS - WP7

Joey S said,
Agreed. Meego and the N9 have huge potential. It just needs a broad minded company to take it forward. Unfortunately, Nokia is dead set on abandoning it regardless of its success in favour of a poorly received and unsuccessful OS - WP7

Poorly recieved?
Unsuccesful?
*facepalm*

Joey S said,
...

Can you honestly tell me that developers would want to learn yet another OS in order to develop mobile apps?

As a professional developer, I can honestly say that I prefer writing for the .NET framework. It's a much better design environment when coupled with visual studio that no other platform can even touch it.

The consistency within the framework makes building phone/desktop/server/xbox apps a breeze compared with the competition.

Nokia could have thrown a ton of cash at Meego and it still wouldn't take off within developer community.
The biggest problem with Nokia's in house software is abysmall debugging, no runtime step-thru debugger, etc, etc.

It's one thing to make a phone OS, it's another to make an extensible OS. Nokia engineers failed, and now we have a Windows based Nokia in the future.

It was nice of them to try to cut their losses on meego R&D by releasing a device, but ultimately their future lies with a company who can build useful tools for the people extending the platform.

Muhammad Farrukh said,

Poorly recieved?
Unsuccesful?
*facepalm*


2% marketshare that is basically made up entirely of MS fanboys and disillusioned Blackberry users says hi.

dotf said,

Can you honestly tell me that developers would want to learn yet another OS in order to develop mobile apps?

You can run Android apps on it. That's 250k right there. And remember it's FOSS, so apps can easily be ported to it.
dotf said,

As a professional developer

You had me going for a moment, then you mentioned dotNet and Visual Studio lol.
dotf said,

.. .NET framework. ... when coupled with visual studio that no other platform can even touch it.

Very true. You can only use Visual Studio on Windows, so it's locked down to a single platform. dotNet support for other platforms is limited at best. Mono for instance has all but been abandoned. Only Miguel de Icaza, Microsoft's bought and paid for developer is still evangelising it. Even the Ubuntu project is dropping Mono/Tomboy/Banshee in 12.04 because it's development has stagnated.
dotf said,

The consistency within the framework makes building phone/desktop/server/xbox apps a breeze compared with the competition.

If you use Windows. Again, it's a locked down platform. No thanks. I prefer open, patent unencumbered software platforms.
dotf said,

Nokia could have thrown a ton of cash at Meego and it still wouldn't take off within developer community.

The N9 was their first phone. Hardly given it a chance has it? Elop has already said they've finished with Meego even if it's successful. Sounds like he's trying to destroy Nokia to me.
dotf said,

The biggest problem with Nokia's in house software is abysmall debugging, no runtime step-thru debugger, etc, etc.

Never used their software, so I can't honestly say. But they do use Qt, and that's a great application toolkit. KDE is built on it. The only negative is that it's written in C++. For that reason I prefer GTK/Glib. While GTK may be slightly (well a lot actually) more complicated, once you master it, it's a great toolkit.

As far as debugging goes, I just use gdb, which is by far the most powerful debugger I've used. And it's a synch to learn.

All these things are cross platform. Not locked down like Microsoft software/programming languages.

dotf said,

It's one thing to make a phone OS, it's another to make an extensible OS. Nokia engineers failed, and now we have a Windows based Nokia in the future.

WP is extensible? Gosh, there was me thinking it was locked down like the iPhone.

You do know that Meego/Tizen is a FOSS project right? Anybody can download, modify, and compile it. That's something you'll never get with WP.

dotf said,

It was nice of them to try to cut their losses on meego R&D by releasing a device, but ultimately their future lies with a company who can build useful tools for the people extending the platform.

Nokia got a big stack of cash from Microsoft. That's why they went WP exclusive. Let's not maintain any illusions over the reasoning here.

If Nokia had any sense, which I don't believe they do while Elop is at the helm, then they'd go for a multi-platform strategy - Android, Meego, and WP. That's what any sensible company in trouble like Nokia is would do.

M_Lyons10 said,
Yeah, and the Lumia 800 is topping the sales charts in France...
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia...00-tops-sales-charts-france

That's very misleading. The article says it tops sales of a single website, namely Phonehouse.Fr, not the whole of France. Who knows how many actual device sales that represents.

M_Lyons10 said,

I wouldn't say that the fact that the N9 is selling well in Finland means they should abandon their WP7 plans... It's funny though that this wasn't reported on Neowin that I saw...

No one is suggesting Nokia abandon WP7, just that they don't sacrifice Meego and the N9 on the altar of Microsoft exclusivity. It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).

Joey S said,
It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).

Successful and popular with the retail consumer isn't enough. You need popluarity with an ecosystem of developers who have a yearning to bring some pinache to the device.
The cost of continued support for tools to make meego successful would have reached a point where diminishing returns would kick in and kill the platform due to unsustainability.

Microsoft are the leader in software tools. Their visual studio product inspired lots of java based IDEs, but still, nothing comes close to Visual studio and .net.

Joey S said,

That's very misleading. The article says it tops sales of a single website, namely Phonehouse.Fr, not the whole of France. Who knows how many actual device sales that represents.


No one is suggesting Nokia abandon WP7, just that they don't sacrifice Meego and the N9 on the altar of Microsoft exclusivity. It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).


While I know that you are clearly a fanboy from the style and content of your posts, to call meego successful and popular is insane.

"Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone."

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.

Callum said,
"Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone."

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.


Well I would say its more to do with the fact that Nokia realised they wouldnt be able to compete with the massive eco systems of MS/Apple/Google so instead chose to differentiate themselves with MS, but yes I agree, WP7 look loads better than just another grid icon OS.

Callum said,

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.

We all know that beauty is subjective, but as far as the reviews go, Meego is winning hands down. Many I've talked to just don't like the WP tiles or how they look.

Joey S said,

We all know that beauty is subjective, but as far as the reviews go, Meego is winning hands down. Many I've talked to just don't like the WP tiles or how they look.

I think that is the perception that is going to be hard to shift with WP7; as in still screens it doesn't look incredible. However, when you actually get the chance to use it and realise just how fluid and dynamic the live tiles you begin to realise the beautiful simplicity of WP7. Having said that I think that W8 will help them a lot as it will be the first chance for many to get hands on with these tiles.

Rudy said,
You forgot to talk to me

In every single Windows Phone article that how bad the tiles look like and how ugly the OS is.
I just don't understand him

mattacular said,

I think that is the perception that is going to be hard to shift with WP7; as in still screens it doesn't look incredible. However, when you actually get the chance to use it and realise just how fluid and dynamic the live tiles you begin to realise the beautiful simplicity of WP7. Having said that I think that W8 will help them a lot as it will be the first chance for many to get hands on with these tiles.

+100000
Users of the phone appreciate live tiles. I live for my live tiles. I've gone from being engrossed in my phone to glancing at the start screen looking for something new to tap.
Then, I'm on about my business.

dotf said,

Users of the phone appreciate live tiles.

Except that there's no difference between a "Live Tile" and an "Animated Widget". It's all semantics. WP offers nothing that other phones don't already have.

dotf said,

I live for my live tiles. I've gone from being engrossed in my phone to glancing at the start screen looking for something new to tap.
Then, I'm on about my business.

No offense, but that sounds like a Microsoft press release lol.

Tom said,
I read the title and thought "Owen definitely wrote that."

WHAT'D YOU KNOW.


Lol, because you are so unbiased

I just bought the N9 for my wife (she was between this and the HTC Titan, but the off-line navigation and being a Nokia won). I'll be getting the Lumia 800 for me (the representative at Nokia store confirmed it is a 1st quarter release around here and that it is already outselling in Europe, so I think it is the right bet)

I guess people's respect for Nokia was pretty strong. I for one wouldn't consider any platform besides Android because it works best for ME. With that being said, I of course cannot speak for others' needs and interests.

Microsoft must have showed Nokia something they liked. Every one knows there was money thrown at Nokia but honestly ask yourself this, if you had a platform that was incredible and had a fighting chance to make a huge profit would you dump it? Even when offered tons of cash would you just abandon all of the hard work that went into creating it in the first place and not consider that maybe the product could sell well? I'm sure the geniuses at Nokia thought of this very hard and considered all of the options before making the jump to WP7.

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