Nokia N9 outsells all other phones in Finland during October

Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone. Today, it seems the company should begin wondering this too. According to a press release from Elisa, one of the largest telecommunications companies in Finland, the Nokia N9 was the most popular phone on the market during the month of October for personal customers.

The numbers are crazy, with what we can pull out of the release stating that the Nokia N9 was also the fourth most popular phone amongst business users during October, being slightly beaten by the iPhone 4. It was also pipped by the Nokia E7 (a Symbian device), apparently due to the size of the keyboard, which is popular amongst Finnish business types.

According to the release (translated with Google Translate), Elisa says that "October sales rose to become the Nokia N9 immediately individual customers top-selling phone." Nokia's based in Finland, so we're not surprised the device is popular, but they didn't expect it to be this â€‹popular did they?

Later this month, the Windows Phone based Lumia devices go on sale around the world, but if early reviews of the device and sales of the N9 are an indication, will it be good enough?

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Microsoft must have showed Nokia something they liked. Every one knows there was money thrown at Nokia but honestly ask yourself this, if you had a platform that was incredible and had a fighting chance to make a huge profit would you dump it? Even when offered tons of cash would you just abandon all of the hard work that went into creating it in the first place and not consider that maybe the product could sell well? I'm sure the geniuses at Nokia thought of this very hard and considered all of the options before making the jump to WP7.

I guess people's respect for Nokia was pretty strong. I for one wouldn't consider any platform besides Android because it works best for ME. With that being said, I of course cannot speak for others' needs and interests.

I just bought the N9 for my wife (she was between this and the HTC Titan, but the off-line navigation and being a Nokia won). I'll be getting the Lumia 800 for me (the representative at Nokia store confirmed it is a 1st quarter release around here and that it is already outselling in Europe, so I think it is the right bet)

Tom said,
I read the title and thought "Owen definitely wrote that."

WHAT'D YOU KNOW.


Lol, because you are so unbiased

"Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone."

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.

Callum said,
"Last week, we pondered why Nokia would move its focus from something as beautiful as MeeGo, to Windows Phone."

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.


Well I would say its more to do with the fact that Nokia realised they wouldnt be able to compete with the massive eco systems of MS/Apple/Google so instead chose to differentiate themselves with MS, but yes I agree, WP7 look loads better than just another grid icon OS.

Callum said,

The reason for the above is because Windows Phone is much, much more beautiful than MeeGo.

We all know that beauty is subjective, but as far as the reviews go, Meego is winning hands down. Many I've talked to just don't like the WP tiles or how they look.

Joey S said,

We all know that beauty is subjective, but as far as the reviews go, Meego is winning hands down. Many I've talked to just don't like the WP tiles or how they look.

I think that is the perception that is going to be hard to shift with WP7; as in still screens it doesn't look incredible. However, when you actually get the chance to use it and realise just how fluid and dynamic the live tiles you begin to realise the beautiful simplicity of WP7. Having said that I think that W8 will help them a lot as it will be the first chance for many to get hands on with these tiles.

Rudy said,
You forgot to talk to me

In every single Windows Phone article that how bad the tiles look like and how ugly the OS is.
I just don't understand him

mattacular said,

I think that is the perception that is going to be hard to shift with WP7; as in still screens it doesn't look incredible. However, when you actually get the chance to use it and realise just how fluid and dynamic the live tiles you begin to realise the beautiful simplicity of WP7. Having said that I think that W8 will help them a lot as it will be the first chance for many to get hands on with these tiles.

+100000
Users of the phone appreciate live tiles. I live for my live tiles. I've gone from being engrossed in my phone to glancing at the start screen looking for something new to tap.
Then, I'm on about my business.

dotf said,

Users of the phone appreciate live tiles.

Except that there's no difference between a "Live Tile" and an "Animated Widget". It's all semantics. WP offers nothing that other phones don't already have.

dotf said,

I live for my live tiles. I've gone from being engrossed in my phone to glancing at the start screen looking for something new to tap.
Then, I'm on about my business.

No offense, but that sounds like a Microsoft press release lol.

M_Lyons10 said,
Yeah, and the Lumia 800 is topping the sales charts in France...
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia...00-tops-sales-charts-france

That's very misleading. The article says it tops sales of a single website, namely Phonehouse.Fr, not the whole of France. Who knows how many actual device sales that represents.

M_Lyons10 said,

I wouldn't say that the fact that the N9 is selling well in Finland means they should abandon their WP7 plans... It's funny though that this wasn't reported on Neowin that I saw...

No one is suggesting Nokia abandon WP7, just that they don't sacrifice Meego and the N9 on the altar of Microsoft exclusivity. It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).

Joey S said,
It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).

Successful and popular with the retail consumer isn't enough. You need popluarity with an ecosystem of developers who have a yearning to bring some pinache to the device.
The cost of continued support for tools to make meego successful would have reached a point where diminishing returns would kick in and kill the platform due to unsustainability.

Microsoft are the leader in software tools. Their visual studio product inspired lots of java based IDEs, but still, nothing comes close to Visual studio and .net.

Joey S said,

That's very misleading. The article says it tops sales of a single website, namely Phonehouse.Fr, not the whole of France. Who knows how many actual device sales that represents.


No one is suggesting Nokia abandon WP7, just that they don't sacrifice Meego and the N9 on the altar of Microsoft exclusivity. It would be insane to dump a successful and popular platform (Meego) for exclusivity to an unsuccessful and unpopular one (WP7).


While I know that you are clearly a fanboy from the style and content of your posts, to call meego successful and popular is insane.

Nokia should invest more in Meego. It could be a really competitive platform if they partnered with HTC and Samsung to bring more devices to market. This N9 is a beautiful looking phone I'd love to own one but with the OS having very poor to zero future developer support I'm not going to buy one, it would be like throwing money away.

Agreed. Meego and the N9 have huge potential. It just needs a broad minded company to take it forward. Unfortunately, Nokia is dead set on abandoning it regardless of its success in favour of a poorly received and unsuccessful OS - WP7

Joey S said,
Agreed. Meego and the N9 have huge potential. It just needs a broad minded company to take it forward. Unfortunately, Nokia is dead set on abandoning it regardless of its success in favour of a poorly received and unsuccessful OS - WP7

Poorly recieved?
Unsuccesful?
*facepalm*

Joey S said,
...

Can you honestly tell me that developers would want to learn yet another OS in order to develop mobile apps?

As a professional developer, I can honestly say that I prefer writing for the .NET framework. It's a much better design environment when coupled with visual studio that no other platform can even touch it.

The consistency within the framework makes building phone/desktop/server/xbox apps a breeze compared with the competition.

Nokia could have thrown a ton of cash at Meego and it still wouldn't take off within developer community.
The biggest problem with Nokia's in house software is abysmall debugging, no runtime step-thru debugger, etc, etc.

It's one thing to make a phone OS, it's another to make an extensible OS. Nokia engineers failed, and now we have a Windows based Nokia in the future.

It was nice of them to try to cut their losses on meego R&D by releasing a device, but ultimately their future lies with a company who can build useful tools for the people extending the platform.

Muhammad Farrukh said,

Poorly recieved?
Unsuccesful?
*facepalm*


2% marketshare that is basically made up entirely of MS fanboys and disillusioned Blackberry users says hi.

dotf said,

Can you honestly tell me that developers would want to learn yet another OS in order to develop mobile apps?

You can run Android apps on it. That's 250k right there. And remember it's FOSS, so apps can easily be ported to it.
dotf said,

As a professional developer

You had me going for a moment, then you mentioned dotNet and Visual Studio lol.
dotf said,

.. .NET framework. ... when coupled with visual studio that no other platform can even touch it.

Very true. You can only use Visual Studio on Windows, so it's locked down to a single platform. dotNet support for other platforms is limited at best. Mono for instance has all but been abandoned. Only Miguel de Icaza, Microsoft's bought and paid for developer is still evangelising it. Even the Ubuntu project is dropping Mono/Tomboy/Banshee in 12.04 because it's development has stagnated.
dotf said,

The consistency within the framework makes building phone/desktop/server/xbox apps a breeze compared with the competition.

If you use Windows. Again, it's a locked down platform. No thanks. I prefer open, patent unencumbered software platforms.
dotf said,

Nokia could have thrown a ton of cash at Meego and it still wouldn't take off within developer community.

The N9 was their first phone. Hardly given it a chance has it? Elop has already said they've finished with Meego even if it's successful. Sounds like he's trying to destroy Nokia to me.
dotf said,

The biggest problem with Nokia's in house software is abysmall debugging, no runtime step-thru debugger, etc, etc.

Never used their software, so I can't honestly say. But they do use Qt, and that's a great application toolkit. KDE is built on it. The only negative is that it's written in C++. For that reason I prefer GTK/Glib. While GTK may be slightly (well a lot actually) more complicated, once you master it, it's a great toolkit.

As far as debugging goes, I just use gdb, which is by far the most powerful debugger I've used. And it's a synch to learn.

All these things are cross platform. Not locked down like Microsoft software/programming languages.

dotf said,

It's one thing to make a phone OS, it's another to make an extensible OS. Nokia engineers failed, and now we have a Windows based Nokia in the future.

WP is extensible? Gosh, there was me thinking it was locked down like the iPhone.

You do know that Meego/Tizen is a FOSS project right? Anybody can download, modify, and compile it. That's something you'll never get with WP.

dotf said,

It was nice of them to try to cut their losses on meego R&D by releasing a device, but ultimately their future lies with a company who can build useful tools for the people extending the platform.

Nokia got a big stack of cash from Microsoft. That's why they went WP exclusive. Let's not maintain any illusions over the reasoning here.

If Nokia had any sense, which I don't believe they do while Elop is at the helm, then they'd go for a multi-platform strategy - Android, Meego, and WP. That's what any sensible company in trouble like Nokia is would do.

It will be initially popular. Some people will want to get their hands on it before it disappears from shelves.
On a side note I got to try out the Lumia 800 at the weekend (they are showing up in stores in the uk now along with more WP advertising) and its pretty fantastic. Completely disagree with Neowins review when they said WP ruins the look of it. It looks great, the screen is incredibly responsive and so is the OS. Very very fast and fluid.
Can not wait to get one.

The N9 is much sleeker then the Lumia. For a start it doesn't have the horrible buttons on the bottom. Not only do they waste space which could otherwise be devoted to the screen, but it looks ugly too.

Joey S said,
The N9 is much sleeker then the Lumia. For a start it doesn't have the horrible buttons on the bottom. Not only do they waste space which could otherwise be devoted to the screen, but it looks ugly too.

Thats your opinion. I think they look fine and if anything its the front facing camera on the N9 is the bigger eyesore.

the better twin said,

Thats your opinion. I think they look fine and if anything its the front facing camera on the N9 is the bigger eyesore.

Jesus is this really what we are resulting to? Both arguments are extremely pathetic, aesthically the phones are nigh on identical and yet people are squabbling over things like a few buttons or a FFC. It just goes to show that both camps of fanboys will pick on anything no matter how small or insignificant to attempt to bolster their argument. I would have thought that the one thing people could agree on is the facrt that both the Lumia and the N9 are both great looking devices. Anyone saying otherwise is an idiot.

mattacular said,

Jesus is this really what we are resulting to? Both arguments are extremely pathetic.ment.

I agree, their physical looks are 99.999% equal, so that whole catfight is moot.
However, it's obvious that the N9 design was created in symbiosis with Harmattan. The physical design was made to "flow" into the Harmattan UX and vice versa.

That can't be said of the Mango/Lumia 800. They don't support eachothers features fluently and the convex glass has no function on Mango. There is no Swipe, allthough that's what the design calls for.

The Stark said,
I really, really hope that all of the great features from N9 OS will somehow find a way to Windows Phone 8.

I think that's what we're going to see honestly.

The Stark said,
I really, really hope that all of the great features from N9 OS will somehow find a way to Windows Phone 8.

What's the point in waiting when Meego already has them? Nokia should just go with the multi-OS strategy instead of exclusivity. If Nokia Abandons Meego even though it's successful, then Elop's bias for everything Microsoft is going to destroy the company. If I were a shareholder, I'd be very concerned about this.

Edited by Joey S, Nov 7 2011, 1:45pm :

Joey S said,

What's the point in waiting when Meego already has them? Nokia should just go with the multi-OS strategy instead of exclusivity. If Nokia Abandons Meego even though it's successful, then Elop's bias for everything Microsoft needs to be questioned.

The point in waiting is the following: MeeGo looks horrible compared to Windows Phone, and it lacks some of Windows Phone's great features (the highly useful live tiles for example).

Callum said,

The point in waiting is the following: MeeGo looks horrible compared to Windows Phone, and it lacks some of Windows Phone's great features (the highly useful live tiles for example).

What? MeeGo looks really nice. Even if compared with Windows Phone 7. The design consistency across the whole platform is brilliant. And it is all very visually pleasing. I know most of it is a Mee 2 style UI .. But its still refreshing in its space. It doesnt look horrible or even close to it. I design interfaces and its a really pretty OS. And personally. Somewhere in my heart i want them to keep this OS but i know it will eventually die because they wont be able to support it with a good app store and variety of price points.

Callum said,

MeeGo looks horrible compared to Windows Phone

Every review I've seen says the opposite. WP looks dull compared to Meego.
Callum said,

and it lacks some of Windows Phone's great features (the highly useful live tiles for example).

Personally, I can't stand the live tiles/animated widgets on the WP7 homescreen. I think they look dull and blocky like we're back in the Windows 3.1 days. So that's a plus for me, not a negative.

Finland seems to agree as well. I can't honestly see the Lumia doing well while it's running the WP7 OS.

The Stark said,
I really, really hope that all of the great features from N9 OS will somehow find a way to Windows Phone 8.

we can only hope!

Callum said,

The point in waiting is the following: MeeGo looks horrible compared to Windows Phone, and it lacks some of Windows Phone's great features (the highly useful live tiles for example).

While I personally prefer the WP 7 GUI I also know a lot of people who completely dislike it so say that Meego is horrible compared to WP7 is just an opinion among others not a fact.

Callum said,

The point in waiting is the following: MeeGo looks horrible compared to Windows Phone, and it lacks some of Windows Phone's great features (the highly useful live tiles for example).

WAT? WP7 is the most horrendous looking OS available. Some plain, flat blocks. Ooooooh!!!

Joey S said,

Every review I've seen says the opposite. WP looks dull compared to Meego.

Personally, I can't stand the live tiles/animated widgets on the WP7 homescreen. I think they look dull and blocky like we're back in the Windows 3.1 days. So that's a plus for me, not a negative.

Finland seems to agree as well. I can't honestly see the Lumia doing well while it's running the WP7 OS.

Funny rows of icons bring me back to Xerox PARC days...

KingCrimson said,

Funny rows of icons bring me back to Xerox PARC days...

Aren't the WP tiles just columns of icons?

I saw one at my local store and played with it for a minute.

This thing is a beauty and the swiping and all just feels so natural...

Rafyelzz said,
Surely it's been said a lot, but I think Nokia should kill Symbian in favour of Meego.

I think that was their original plan, but Nokia's management lost their way and decided exclusivity to a failed platform was better for the company. Pure madness.

guru said,
not a surprise really, no phone has had such good reviews since the original iPhone

The only draw back is the OS. I think the version of N9 running WP 7 will dominate when it's released.

guru said,
not a surprise really, no phone has had such good reviews since the original iPhone

I don't remember the reviews of the original iPhone being positive.

thnok said,

The only draw back is the OS. I think the version of N9 running WP 7 will dominate when it's released.

I don't think so. Early reviews are not as glowing.

RealFduch said,

I don't remember the reviews of the original iPhone being positive.

The original iPhone was a dumbphone in every way. It had no apps and no multi-tasking, no copy/paste, no MMS, no bluetooth.
It was being seriously compared to other dumbphones even though it really couldn't do as much as even they could.

It wasn't until the 3G that it could do useful things like run apps.

Sacha said,

The original iPhone was a dumbphone in every way. It had no apps and no multi-tasking, no copy/paste, no MMS, no bluetooth.
It was being seriously compared to other dumbphones even though it really couldn't do as much as even they could.

It wasn't until the 3G that it could do useful things like run apps.


Indeed. The iPhone was completely different back then compared to what it was back then. The iPhone was just a usual phone until the app store was introduced.

Owen W said,

I don't think so. Early reviews are not as glowing.

Reviews don't mean a thing because each review is merely just one person's opinion (usually), and those few people who review the product don't speak for the whole userbase. This was evident in your review of the N9; you prefer MeeGo to Windows Phone, but many of us much prefer Windows Phone to MeeGo.

thnok said,

The only draw back is the OS. I think the version of N9 running WP 7 will dominate when it's released.

Most people are saying, if only the Lumia had Meego on it they would buy it. It's WP7 that's holding the phone back. The WP OS is very unpopular with consumers.

Joey S said,

Most people are saying, if only the Lumia had Meego on it they would buy it. It's WP7 that's holding the phone back. The WP OS is very unpopular with consumers.

Source?
I only see you saying that.
In fact isnt satisfaction with WP7 extremely high? Higher than Android in fact?
Low sales figures could be down to a variety of factors not least the way sales assistants discouraged people from buying WP7, this doesnt mean WP7 is unpopular, merely poorly advertised.

the better twin said,

Source?
I only see you saying that.
In fact isnt satisfaction with WP7 extremely high? Higher than Android in fact?
Low sales figures could be down to a variety of factors not least the way sales assistants discouraged people from buying WP7, this doesnt mean WP7 is unpopular, merely poorly advertised.

Source ? Wp7's market share (along with WinMo) is slipping faster than that of IE. It lost another 20% last month from 7% market share to 5.6%. You can blame poor advertising, I blame no interest/dislike in Microsoft's mobile phones.

Sacha said,

The original iPhone was a dumbphone in every way. It had no apps and no multi-tasking, no copy/paste, no MMS, no bluetooth.
It was being seriously compared to other dumbphones even though it really couldn't do as much as even they could.

It wasn't until the 3G that it could do useful things like run apps.

True, the iPhone has come a long way in the past 4 years. But the original iPhone brought what A LOT of people wanted: a solid web browsing experience on a mobile, great PIM, and a music player that doesn't make you pull you hair out and go buy a separate device. Still, for all of that the original iPhone was far too expensive and 2g was just awful.

alexalex said,
I blame no interest/dislike in Microsoft's mobile phones.

It's the legacy of the Microsoft and Windows names hurting the adoption of the OS.

Many people have been burned by MS in the past in the desktop and prior mobile spaces, that they won't even consider this NEW product for what it is. Instead, they just turn up their nose at that Microsoft **** and go and get what all their other fandroid friends or iFriends have.

People who have no prior opinion of Microsoft as a company or provider of software give the phone great reviews.

I have anecdotal evidence to the point. A grandmother in a nursing home got all her friends on the HTC HD7 after failing to grasp the intricacies of Android and iOS.
Simply because she could figure out how to make a phone call immediately upon looking at the screen, where the other devices she tried weren't as obvious.
The simplicity of the OS with the massiveness of the HD7's screen rang true for her. This was a solution she felt was designed with her in mind. easy to see, not much clutter, and simple in its efforts to provide features.

dotf said,

It's the legacy of the Microsoft and Windows names hurting the adoption of the OS.

Have you considered that people just don't like the Windows Phone OS? All the excuses in the world won't change something like that.

AFineFrenzy said,

What?


Back then when the iPhone was first introduced Apple was totally against 3rd party apps. Unlike what it is now.