Nokia: No first generation Lumia left behind; good times ahead

The Lumia range of phones was unveiled to the world almost a year ago, and after some teething problems with Windows Phone 7.0, it appeared likely that the first generation Lumias would not be getting a meaningful update and fall by the wayside.

Sexy updates for a sexy looking phone, on the way.

Although the first generations of Lumias will not receive the Windows Phone 8.0 update, Nokia has now put to bed any rumors that those phones will be left behind in terms of new features and continued updates.

In a blog posting over at Conversations by Nokia, Boc Ly outlined plans for the first generation Lumias which will also include the Windows Phone 7.8 update. Nokia has recently released Nokia Counters, Nokia PlayTo, Nokia City Lens as well as updates for Nokia Maps and Nokia Drive, and the following features will also be coming to existing Lumia owners,

  • A new Start screen look and feel, familiar from Windows Phone 8, giving you a whole new look the moment you unlock your phone
  • Ringtone maker app to selected markets to create a personal ringtone
  • Contact share app updated to support sharing over Bluetooth in addition to SMS and email
  • Bluetooth file transfer to send media files via Bluetooth from your Lumia device to any other phone 

Ly also announced exclusive apps coming to existing Lumia owners, such as the Bloomberg news hub and Draw Something app.

And well, if you needed more proof that Nokia is serious about continued support for those Lumias, observe the following statement from the Nokia announcement:

After introducing the first smartphones in the Nokia Lumia family to be built on Windows Phone 8, there is one message that needs to be made loud and clear: existing Lumia owners also have plenty to look forward to and are definitely not being left behind.

Good times indeed.

Source: Conversations by Nokia via WMPoweruser

Thanks for the news tip -Razorfold

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simplezz said,
WP7 is dead because it won't run WP8 apps. That means no developer is going to be targeting that platform.

Survey says?!

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simplezz said,
WP7 is dead because it won't run WP8 apps. That means no developer is going to be targeting that platform.

Maybe you've been living under a rock because Microsoft have stated that developers should target WP7.8 and not just WP8.

So it's adding basic features, only to die off like all old phones do?

I fail to see the fuss. It's nearly EOL.

Nashy said,
So it's adding basic features, only to die off like all old phones do?

I fail to see the fuss. It's nearly EOL.

I could argue the same about Android flagship devices from a while ago, when everyone used to release a "flagship" device every 2 months.

It's only EOL if you believe it is. If you don't, then it isn't.

Coolicer said,

I could argue the same about Android flagship devices from a while ago, when everyone used to release a "flagship" device every 2 months.

Look at how many Android devices got (and still are) the ICS update, the whole thing, not just a gimped version of it. Compare that to WP7. Yeah, so much for all that hype about getting updates forever nonsense Microsoft tricked you all into believing lol.

And even devices which can't receive updates, can still get the lastest and greatest through AOSP. What choice have WP7.8 users got? Nada.

Coolicer said,

It's only EOL if you believe it is. If you don't, then it isn't.

Oh, so it's all in the mind now. If WP7.8 users tell themselves they're not abandoned enough times, they'll make it a reality? Is that your suggestion? haha.

Coolicer said,

I could argue the same about Android flagship devices from a while ago, when everyone used to release a "flagship" device every 2 months.

It's only EOL if you believe it is. If you don't, then it isn't.

No. It's actually EOL.

I really liked my Nokia 3310. I believe it's not EOL, so it's not?

simplezz said,

Look at how many Android devices got (and still are) the ICS update, the whole thing, not just a gimped version of it. Compare that to WP7. Yeah, so much for all that hype about getting updates forever nonsense Microsoft tricked you all into believing lol.


MS never said you're going to get updates forever.

For first gen devices there was Nodo, Mango, Tango, and now 7.8 (and all the little ones in between).

For second gen it was Mango, Tango, 7.8 and all the little ones in between.

That's already miles ahead of android phones. Not to mention how many phones Android phones are shipping with Jelly Bean right now? Hell even the newly released motorola ones are shipping with ICS with a promise to update to JB sometime in the future.

simplezz said,

Look at how many Android devices got (and still are) the ICS update, the whole thing, not just a gimped version of it. Compare that to WP7. Yeah, so much for all that hype about getting updates forever nonsense Microsoft tricked you all into believing lol.

And even devices which can't receive updates, can still get the lastest and greatest through AOSP. What choice have WP7.8 users got? Nada.

Oh, so it's all in the mind now. If WP7.8 users tell themselves they're not abandoned enough times, they'll make it a reality? Is that your suggestion? haha.

They wouldn't be getting WP7.8 if they were EOL now would they? The fact that you're getting such a substantial update means that your phone is not EOL. ("you" is a general term for someone who IS getting the 7.8 update)

Actually, didn't Microsoft state that you should be able to update to WP8 via an unsupported but yet kinda-official way? Because I could have sworn they did, they said that we will be seeing WP8 low-end phones with 1st gen WP7 specs because WP8 is just as light/heavy as the WP7 and that updating the current phones would be too risky since it's a very invasive update.

simplezz said,

Look at how many Android devices got (and still are) the ICS update, the whole thing, not just a gimped version of it. Compare that to WP7. Yeah, so much for all that hype about getting updates forever nonsense Microsoft tricked you all into believing lol.

And even devices which can't receive updates, can still get the lastest and greatest through AOSP. What choice have WP7.8 users got? Nada.

Oh, so it's all in the mind now. If WP7.8 users tell themselves they're not abandoned enough times, they'll make it a reality? Is that your suggestion? haha.

Look at how many didn't get the ICS upgrade. Your argument is invalid.

And what with different volume levels, for ringtone, music, games etc...
I don't need ringtone maker app, I need control over ringtones volume

Semtex said,
And what with different volume levels, for ringtone, music, games etc...
I don't need ringtone maker app, I need control over ringtones volume

Yes, this is one of my gripes with WP right now. Hopefully that will be available. Doubtful for other than WP8 + though.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
So where are the "Dead OS" guys now?

Oh wait. It might be dead for Samsung and HTC users tho. Well bad luck I guess.


Well nothing here changes the fact that WP7.8 devices are incompatible with WP8 apps. All this is is a confirmation of the start screen and a few token apps. It doesnt change anything.

the better twin said,

Well nothing here changes the fact that WP7.8 devices are incompatible with WP8 apps. All this is is a confirmation of the start screen and a few token apps. It doesnt change anything.

It actually changes everything. This just goes to show that Nokia actually cares about their customers unlike HTC and Samsung with WP7 at this point who only take the money and run, I've seen like 1 app from Samsung for WP7 while Nokia has created tons of them already, all which are free and actually useful.

Secondly WP7.8 can't use WP8 apps just because of hardware restrictions and kernel changing. (Android hasn't done that..well never - kernel updates are not the same thing) although, all apps created for WP7.8 (Which probably will be the majority) will work on WP8.

MS was already too late into the Smartphone OS era and CE was the fastest way they could get in. I can't blame them for that, it worked out well. (Not good but it didn't crash either) NT is just too much for the first generation to be fully upgraded.

the better twin said,

Well nothing here changes the fact that WP7.8 devices are incompatible with WP8 apps. All this is is a confirmation of the start screen and a few token apps. It doesnt change anything.

Well nothing here changes the fact that MS pushes everyone to (for now) develop for WP7.8 instead of WP8.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
So where are the "Dead OS" guys now?

Oh wait. It might be dead for Samsung and HTC users tho. Well bad luck I guess.

Bluetooth transfer? Give me a break..... Even the Lumia 920 does not have BT 4.0....

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

It actually changes everything. This just goes to show that Nokia actually cares about their customers unlike HTC and Samsung with WP7 at this point who only take the money and run, I've seen like 1 app from Samsung for WP7 while Nokia has created tons of them already, all which are free and actually useful.

Secondly WP7.8 can't use WP8 apps just because of hardware restrictions and kernel changing. (Android hasn't done that..well never - kernel updates are not the same thing) although, all apps created for WP7.8 (Which probably will be the majority) will work on WP8.


Yeah I have a Lumia so I know how well it has been supported by Nokia so in fact nothing has changed as they are continuing their good work. I was just pointing out that this news doesnt change what we already knew in regards to your "dead OS" comment, as Lumias are still incompatible with the update.

Shadowzz said,

Well nothing here changes the fact that MS pushes everyone to (for now) develop for WP7.8 instead of WP8.

WP8 SDK is not out yet, Is it?

Fritzly said,

WP8 SDK is not out yet, Is it?

MS has already stated that they strongly drive people to create for WP7.8, what do you need the SDK for? Or maybe I should take your word over MS's? Nice try.

the better twin said,

Yeah I have a Lumia so I know how well it has been supported by Nokia so in fact nothing has changed as they are continuing their good work. I was just pointing out that this news doesnt change what we already knew in regards to your "dead OS" comment, as Lumias are still incompatible with the update.

It's the Symbian situation all over again. Even tho most phones didn't get Belle they are still being supported by Nokia (Even after Elop said there will be no more major updates for Symbian). Dead OS is far-fetched wetdream from some "critics" that think they know how Nokia deals with their platforms. The fact that current Lumias won't get the latest update doesn't really matter, as I've said before, 7.8 is the second major update, that's already more than most Android phones in the market get, so shall we call those phones aswell with dead OS? No.

Keep in mind I own both Android and a Lumia phone, I see how Samsung deals with their OS and how Nokia deals, even without the WP8 update my Lumia is better supported than my SG2.

Want to call me an fanboy? Sure, I am, an AMD fanboy. About phone OS's I couldn't care less, I just say what I see.

Fritzly said,

Bluetooth transfer? Give me a break..... Even the Lumia 920 does not have BT 4.0....

Oh yeah, because BT 4.0 is such an essential version, please give me a break. My Nokia E7 has BT 3.0 and I even bought a BT 3.0 receiver for my computer. But I don't really care that much, it seemed very cool at the time when I'd bought it but in the end it's nothing more than a higher number on the spec sheet. Just like dual and quadcores.

Although I do recognize that a dual-core will come in handy for stuff like that ported Unreal Engine. But I'd say that a higher clocked single-core CPU made on a smaller process would get my preference.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

MS has already stated that they strongly drive people to create for WP7.8, what do you need the SDK for? Or maybe I should take your word over MS's? Nice try.

Nice spin..... If you check any launch of previous platform the SDK has always been available well before the launch of the OSes
But.... whatever....... I will keep my Lumia 900 as a backup device and, probably, buy a new WP8 one once available.
Btw when WP7 was announced MS also said theat WP would have been supported for a while........ no further comment needed....

Coolicer said,

Oh yeah, because BT 4.0 is such an essential version, please give me a break. My Nokia E7 has BT 3.0 and I even bought a BT 3.0 receiver for my computer. But I don't really care that much, it seemed very cool at the time when I'd bought it but in the end it's nothing more than a higher number on the spec sheet. Just like dual and quadcores.

Although I do recognize that a dual-core will come in handy for stuff like that ported Unreal Engine. But I'd say that a higher clocked single-core CPU made on a smaller process would get my preference.

Considering that I am going to spend $600/700 for my new phone I would like to see my hearth rate monitor supported so yes, for me is an important feature.
On the other hand I could not care less for FB but....... one size does not fit all, does it?

Fritzly said,

Nice spin..... If you check any launch of previous platform the SDK has always been available well before the launch of the OSes
But.... whatever....... I will keep my Lumia 900 as a backup device and, probably, buy a new WP8 one once available.
Btw when WP7 was announced MS also said theat WP would have been supported for a while........ no further comment needed....

That samsung and htc dont support it means just that they dont care about their customers. Nokia keeps supporting wp well enough.

All in all but most of the time i dont take people...who...write...like this...seriously.

Posted from my Nokia Lumia 800

Fritzly said,

Considering that I am going to spend $600/700 for my new phone I would like to see my hearth rate monitor supported so yes, for me is an important feature.
On the other hand I could not care less for FB but....... one size does not fit all, does it?

Are you sure it's BT 4.0 and _not_ backwards compatible? Because I'm pretty sure it is.

Coolicer said,

Are you sure it's BT 4.0 and _not_ backwards compatible? Because I'm pretty sure it is.

Wahoo says it works only with iPhone 4S because it has BT 4; I am not going to buy an iPhone to use it of course but it seems weird that a flagship device like the Lumia 920 does not use it.
I have been using Polar devices for years but I noted that devices using BT are more reliable and accurate, not to mention that you are not locked with the software provided.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
So where are the "Dead OS" guys now?

Oh wait. It might be dead for Samsung and HTC users tho. Well bad luck I guess.

I'm right here! It's still a dead OS, sure it will get 7.8 and maybe a few updates from Nokia but it's not going anywhere, WP8 is the future and the old devices are not invited

Fritzly said,

Wahoo says it works only with iPhone 4S because it has BT 4; I am not going to buy an iPhone to use it of course but it seems weird that a flagship device like the Lumia 920 does not use it.
I have been using Polar devices for years but I noted that devices using BT are more reliable and accurate, not to mention that you are not locked with the software provided.

BT4 is exactly like PCI-E 3, it doesn't give you performance upgrade, just bragging rights (the small 4-5% performance upgrade just ain't worth the cost of it)

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

BT4 is exactly like PCI-E 3, it doesn't give you performance upgrade, just bragging rights (the small 4-5% performance upgrade just ain't worth the cost of it)


The benefit of BT4 is the battery usage. The devices that are only information gatherers can use BT4 to transmit the data while barely using the battery.

Fritzly said,

Wahoo says it works only with iPhone 4S because it has BT 4;

Well, as I've said; I'm sure it is backwards compatible but I understand why you'd want BT 4.0. Usually people want this stuff purely because it looks good on the specs sheet.

You might want to wait for the mid-tier WP8 devices or maybe an extra high-tier WP8 device from Nokia in the coming months. I'm quite sure that they're gonna show them off right when WP8 launches.

BT 4 isn't some crazy high-end feature. So there's still chance, although come to think of it, isn't Bluetooth usually baked into the SoC (with a pinout to the antenna)? If so, then it's unlikely that any WP8 phone in the very near future will support it.

SubZenit said,
Finally file transfer over bluetooth, now I can recommend Lumia to my lame friends.

My Touch Pro (winmo 6.5) has been doing that for ages.

P1R4T3 said,

My Touch Pro (winmo 6.5) has been doing that for ages.

As well as many others things still missing nowadays......

P1R4T3 said,

My Touch Pro (winmo 6.5) has been doing that for ages.

Windows Mobile 6, 6.1, and 6.5 also have had SD card support. Removed in Windows Mobile 7, back in Windows Mobile 8...
Some inconsistence here from Microsoft...

eiffel_g said,

Windows Mobile 6, 6.1, and 6.5 also have had SD card support. Removed in Windows Mobile 7, back in Windows Mobile 8...
Some inconsistence here from Microsoft...

You mean Windows Phone 7 and 8, not Windows Mobile.

eiffel_g said,

Windows Mobile 6, 6.1, and 6.5 also have had SD card support. Removed in Windows Mobile 7, back in Windows Mobile 8...
Some inconsistence here from Microsoft...

Did someone pick up the rights for Windows Mobile? I don't know who's making that. I would guess those and all other features would be removed in Windows Mobile 7 & 8 because they don't exist. I know of Windows Phone 7 & 8, those features might be there.

eiffel_g said,

Windows Mobile 6, 6.1, and 6.5 also have had SD card support. Removed in Windows Mobile 7, back in Windows Mobile 8...
Some inconsistence here from Microsoft...

You do realize that there is a HUGE difference between Windows Mobile and Windows Phone, right?

M_Lyons10 said,

You do realize that there is a HUGE difference between Windows Mobile and Windows Phone, right?


Thanks God, yes it is... :-)

P1R4T3 said,

My Touch Pro (winmo 6.5) has been doing that for ages.

My old Nokia E71 was doing that four (five?) years ago. And much else still not possible with either Lumia or iPhone.

They call this progress?