Nokia: Phones with huge screens are stupid

There’s been something of a trend in recent years for manufacturers to deliver ever-larger screens on smartphones. While the display on Apple’s iPhone hasn’t grown beyond 3.5”, screen sizes on rival devices have crept up and up, leading to handsets with vast screens like HTC’s TITAN (4.7”), Samsung’s Galaxy Note (5.3”), and the awkwardly proportioned LG Optimus Vu (5”, but with a 4:3 aspect ratio).

For some consumers, big screens are a great thing, but not everyone agrees. Nokia, which is poised to launch its 4.3” Lumia 900 in the US later this month, is apparently one of the naysayers when it comes to over-sized displays on smartphones. Speaking with Pocket-lint at MWC, Niklas Savander, executive vice president at Nokia, believes that the race to the top of the big-screen pile is a fad that will soon end.

“There is a ‘monster truck syndrome’ coming soon in my opinion; that at some point in time, people will just say ‘this is stupid’,” he said. “It is hard to say when that will happen, but advances should be about what new technologies we can create, not just about making screens bigger.”

He added that, while some might feel that Nokia’s range of Windows Phones needs a handset with an even larger display than the Lumia 900’s 4.3” affair, he doesn’t believe it’s necessary. With a bigger screen than that, he says, “it then becomes a tablet, and then we can have a tablet discussion.”

Of course, there are plenty of people who would love to have a tablet discussion with Nokia – the prospect of a large slate developing the design themes previewed in the Lumia 800 and 900 is a tantalising one indeed – but for now, if you were hoping that Nokia might release a Lumia Windows Phone with a larger display, it looks like you’re out of luck.

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At the end of the day, it's your opinion if it's stupid to go bigger than a 4.3 in. screen. I, for one, have big hands, so the Note wouldn't be an issue. Even with regular hands, the Note offers great utility and still is pocketable. Being a WP7 fan, I wouldn't be upset if Nokia did a 5 inch phone. A 5 inch Lumia M (1000) would be great, especially a 64GB version.

seebaran said,
At the end of the day, it's your opinion if it's stupid to go bigger than a 4.3 in. screen. I, for one, have big hands, so the Note wouldn't be an issue. Even with regular hands, the Note offers great utility and still is pocketable. Being a WP7 fan, I wouldn't be upset if Nokia did a 5 inch phone. A 5 inch Lumia M (1000) would be great, especially a 64GB version.

I am actually flirting with the idea of getting the 5 inch Samsung Galaxy Player purely just for a better media experience and that's not even a phone but just a iPod Touch-like device. It goes to show there is demand for it.

I am 5ft 9in and an average guy. I have a GNEX which is 4.6 inches and it fits just fine in my pocket and is not uncomfortable.

Some people like the bigger screens and they seem to be selling well so people do like them.

the biggest issue in the industry right now, the technology is getting smaller and phones are getting bigger haha
I agree with Nokia, mainly b/c a phone for me should be usable with one hand. Now I don't thing there is a design standard yet on what that average hand size is and should be for this. Anything requiring 2 hands should be considered a tablet. This is where I like Windows Phone more because the vast majority of the OS can be used with one thumb allowing for smaller screens.

Kind of have to agree, you either have a phone or tablet. If you have to lug something around that doesn't easily fit in a pocket, it is not longer a phone, and just a small tablet.

You can have a tablet that makes phone calls, but it isn't an ideal 'phone' form factor.

The whole idea around WP7 is to give people features without consuming their life looking at their phone, so a 'tablet-ish' phone doesn't fit this model very well.

As computing gets smaller and disappears into our glasses and bodies, carrying 'anything' will seem ancient.

If I'm going to lug around a 'large' device, I would rather eat the extra .5 lb and have a full computer, and still have my phone in my pocket out of the way.

I am selling my Galaxy Nexus because as I continued to use it I realized that it was too big. I love the resolution but not the size. I went back to a 4.3" and it was just the largest that I would go with. I think the happy medium for people would be a HD screen on a 4" or 4.3" screen.

I think we need to have a committee decide what a phone is and what a tablet is. Sorta like what a planet is. Pluto got demoted a few years back. Soooo what defines phone vs tablet? I'm kidding of course. A huge screen isn't something I care too much about either but to each their own.

laserfloyd said,
A huge screen isn't something I care too much about either but to each their own.

Now, that's the spirit! Finally, somebody who doesn't say that because he doesn't care for something, the world shouldn't either!

laserfloyd said,
A huge screen isn't something I care too much about either but to each their own.

Now, that's the spirit! Finally, somebody who doesn't say that because he doesn't care for something, the world shouldn't either!

laserfloyd said,
A huge screen isn't something I care too much about either but to each their own.

Now, that's the spirit! Finally, somebody who doesn't say that because he doesn't care for something, the world shouldn't either!

Whatever the critics to Nokia for that are, I had an Omnia 7 and that was the limit for me, as someone noted above. I changed to the Lumia 800 and it's the best feeling I ever had with a phone, simply perfect size.

I have to say, far from flaming against iPhone, that Lumia 800 is more comfortable that the iP4 by far. Not that much from iP3.

I'm starting to see a pattern here with Nokia. It seems to denigrate and dismiss technology its phones don't have, be it multicores, larger screens, or better customisation.

Why does Nokia have to be so negative all the time? It should concentrate on promoting Its phone's own features rather than reminding everyone of how much they lack, because that's all these attacks do.

Must be why Galaxy Notes are selling like hot cakes all over Asia. Because they are so stupid.

Nokia has really become out of touch with phone users...

Adamodeus said,
Must be why Galaxy Notes are selling like hot cakes all over Asia. Because they are so stupid.

Nokia has really become out of touch with phone users...

Because people never buy stupid things they don't need, right?

The Stark said,

Because people never buy stupid things they don't need, right?

Thank God we have you to decide for them what they may or may not need...

You can't argue with a runaway success, no matter how much you would like to try. When the original iPad came out, every reviewer worth his or her salt said it was a silly product that nobody could think of any uses for. Kind of like what you're doing now.

Here is an idea: stop acting like a teenage girl, worrying about what people might think about you and your phone. I've got news for you: you, me, and everyone else is inconsequential for people compared to a small pimple on their nose. They'll look at you, think to themselves "Wow, that's a large phone" and then, do you know what's going to happen? They'll forget all about you and the size of your phone in the next two seconds and refocus their attention on that pesky pimple.

Adamodeus said,
Must be why Galaxy Notes are selling like hot cakes all over Asia. Because they are so stupid.

Asians also think it's normal to hold a 7-inch tablet to your ear to make a phone call.

I think 4.5 inches (shut up) should be the sweet spot for phones. Anything larger just seems to big. I already have a big bulge in my pants, I don't need another!

downhillrider said,
I think 4.5 inches (shut up) should be the sweet spot for phones. Anything larger just seems to big. I already have a big bulge in my pants, I don't need another!

Keep telling that to yourself and you may believe it after some time.

Denis W said,
Well said. We're carrying phones in our pockets, not calculators (the large scientific ones).

+1

For me, if I can't fit it in my jeans pocket and operate it with one hand, then its too big.

I always had the 4.3 starting with the HD7. I read about how "comical" the Titan 2 was so I hesitated before getting one. Then I heard about how the screen resolution wasn't up to snuff, so I hesitated some more.

Then I actually picked one up and found that the lower screen resolution made it incredibly easier to see the screen items, especially text etc. and the size was PERFECT. I MIGHT go with the Nokia at some point but the better not go lower then 4.3" or they will never get my business. I love my Titan 2, this thing kicks ass.

41 megapixels. and without a screen for showing. nokia is thinking different alright. they are thinking stupid differently.

Albert said,
41 megapixels. and without a screen for showing. nokia is thinking different alright. they are thinking stupid differently.

first care to look at thier pure view white paper. what's exactly 41MP is!

why people are always stupid enough to believe what they just see/listen outside, but not trying to understand/look at inside.

nitins60 said,

first care to look at thier pure view white paper. what's exactly 41MP is!

why people are always stupid enough to believe what they just see/listen outside, but not trying to understand/look at inside.

Its because if the white paper tells a different story, then perhaps they should have called it something else?

nitins60 said,

first care to look at thier pure view white paper. what's exactly 41MP is!

why people are always stupid enough to believe what they just see/listen outside, but not trying to understand/look at inside.

Until you see consumer images and not preview images from Nokia, I won't believe any claims. You generally don't see phones outside of the 8MP (or even 12MP) areas. 41 MP is not even found in point and shoots. It wants to be a camera more than a phone, and any decent point and shoot or SLR will destroy it in terms of camera/camcorder functionality. You just can NOT replace a stand alone device that is a camera.

Thats because nokia keep thinking in selling cell phones, while people want small computers. Smartphones are meant to do much more than managing your contacts and making calls. So a big screen with a good resolution make things more comfortable.

AnarKhy said,
Thats because nokia keep thinking in selling cell phones, while people want small computers. Smartphones are meant to do much more than managing your contacts and making calls. So a big screen with a good resolution make things more comfortable.

That's what tablets are for.

AnarKhy said,

do you walk around with a tablet?


do you always walk around with your hipster messenger bag to hold your too-big-for-pockets 5.3'' phone?

he is right.
the point of a phone is to be usable with 1 hand. already on a 4.3" SGS2 it feels hard to reach the opposite corners. That's why Apple still at 3.5", because can easily reach any area of the screen without 2 hands (said this, i would love a 3.7" or a 3.9" iPhone, but nothing bigger than that).

AlexMagik said,
he is right.
the point of a phone is to be usable with 1 hand. already on a 4.3" SGS2 it feels hard to reach the opposite corners. That's why Apple still at 3.5", because can easily reach any area of the screen without 2 hands (said this, i would love a 3.7" or a 3.9" iPhone, but nothing bigger than that).

Stop hating on even numbers, yo

Exactly. I have a Samsung Omnia 7, which has a 4" screen, and that feels like the limit for me. I've used a friend's HTC Sensation XE, and that was bearable, but when I tried using a Dell streak a few months ago, that was just impossible to operate with one hand.

AlexMagik said,
he is right.
the point of a phone is to be usable with 1 hand. already on a 4.3" SGS2 it feels hard to reach the opposite corners. That's why Apple still at 3.5", because can easily reach any area of the screen without 2 hands (said this, i would love a 3.7" or a 3.9" iPhone, but nothing bigger than that).

Ehm ok?

The fact that you have to use 2 hands for using multitouch all over the phone anyways in most situations, that makes your statement invalid.

When you are surfing the web, writing an e-mail, using Google Earth / Google Maps and many other programs you have to use 2 hands in most situations anyways, so i don't see the problem to use 2 hands on a smarthphone today. And because of that, i don't see the problem by having a smartphone like the Galaxy Note.

And no, a tablet can't be callet tablet before it hits 5 inch'es at minimum. Yes, Galaxy Note is a hybrid between a smartphone and a tablet.

I'm inclined to agree.

Actually, I believe there are not enough smaller-sized smartphones - the Xperia Ray is the only device I can think of.

Cute James said,
I'm inclined to agree.

Actually, I believe there are not enough smaller-sized smartphones - the Xperia Ray is the only device I can think of.

Both Samsung and HTC make a couple of small sized smartphones.

Cute James said,
I'm inclined to agree.

Actually, I believe there are not enough smaller-sized smartphones - the Xperia Ray is the only device I can think of.

I agree. I wouldn't want something too big honestly.

dagamer34 said,

But they are not flagship devices.

Really? How about the original Galaxy S? Hmmmm...HTC Droid Incredible was also once a flagship device.

still1 said,
well, Nokia is stupid if they think its stupid... Samsung note is selling better that the Nokia WP7 http://www.neowin.net/forum/in...1061542&view=getnewpost


Wasn't there an article back in like Jan saying Nokia had sold well over 1 million Lumia 800s? Sold, not shipped.

Keep in mind the lumia 800 still isn't available in most parts of the world. So I think its safe to say they've sold more.

And to be honest, the galaxy note is a pretty stupid device. It's too small to be a tablet and way too large to be a phone. You look absolutely retarded when making phone calls with it.

FarCry3r said,

It is stupid. > 4+ inches devices should be considered tablet. At least for me. Don't you know peoples don't have big hands and long fingers like they're used to like...say...1mil years ago?

"At least for me. " yeah.. its for you so its ur opinion and for others who think its a phone, ITS A PHONE... considering 4+ inches tablet is pure stupid. 7'' is where tablet standard starts... 4.7 to 7 inches is mobile+tab hybrid...

Razorfolds said,

Wasn't there an article back in like Jan saying Nokia had sold well over 1 million Lumia 800s? Sold, not shipped.

Keep in mind the lumia 800 still isn't available in most parts of the world. So I think its safe to say they've sold more.

And to be honest, the galaxy note is a pretty stupid device. It's too small to be a tablet and way too large to be a phone. You look absolutely retarded when making phone calls with it.

Also keep in mind that the Lumia is a (the?) flagship Nokia Windows Phone. And the note has just been released.

Razorfolds said,

Wasn't there an article back in like Jan saying Nokia had sold well over 1 million Lumia 800s? Sold, not shipped.

And keep in mind the lumia 800 still isn't available in most parts of the world. So I think its safe to say they've sold more.


Nokia sold 0.9 mill in 2 months and Galaxy Note was not available in most part of the world too mainly not in the US until recently so yeah its even and i would say Note is better because many were skeptical about it sales and still its selling well...

Actually according to the article still1 posted:

It had shipped 1 million units after two months, and has now hit 2 million after four months.

The lumia 800 was released end of November 2011 to like a handful of European countries. It still isn't sold in North America, for example.

Nokia sold 0.9 mill in 2 months and Galaxy Note was not available in most part of the world too mainly not in the US until recently so yeah its even and i would say Note is better because many were skeptical about it sales and still its selling well...

Um:

Nokia reported its Q4 2011 earnings today and revealed it has "sold well over 1 million Lumia devices to date." The company says it plans to build on the figure with sales, marketing, and new products over the course of 2012, something that CEO Stephen Elop has promised previously. Nokia will also introduce the "Lumia series" to Chinese and Latin American markets in the first half of 2012.

The figure matches analyst expectations of between 1 and 2 million sales of Nokia's Lumia Windows Phone devices

http://www.theverge.com/mobile...nokia-lumia-1-million-sales

still1 said,

Nokia sold 0.9 mill in 2 months and Galaxy Note was not available in most part of the world too mainly not in the US until recently so yeah its even and i would say Note is better because many were skeptical about it sales and still its selling well...
and by the way i didnt say Note sold more i said its selling better comparitively.. read my post again...

still1 said,

"At least for me. " yeah.. its for you so its ur opinion and for others who think its a phone, ITS A PHONE... considering 4+ inches tablet is pure stupid. 7'' is where tablet standard starts... 4.7 to 7 inches is mobile+tab hybrid...

4+ inches tablet is pure stupid? According to who? You? LMFAO.

Razorfolds said,
Read my edited post

http://www.theverge.com/mobile...nokia-lumia-1-million-sales

Date of that article: Jan 26th. And you're also confusing shipped with sold, AT&T may have 500,000 galaxy notes sitting in it's warehouse and you wouldn't know that. Whereas the numbers for Nokia were sold devices.

Not to mention that in parts of Europe the Lumia 800 is a top selling device, even outselling the iPhone in Finland for example.

i know the difference between sold and shipped and i am not denying that.... here is a post which says nokia lumia sold .9 mill in Q4 http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/...lenty-of-catching-up-to-do/
"sold well over 1 million Lumia devices to date." are u missing the till date part? because when they released the number(~jan 24th) it sold over 1 mill and not on q4 2011...
my point is Nokia said huge devices are stupid but a phone like Note still sold equivalent(sure less that lumia) better than their flagship Lmia...

FarCry3r said,

4+ inches tablet is pure stupid? According to who? You? LMFAO.

oh man.... you need to keep up... read the post again... i was replying to the person who said 4+ inches devices are TABLET!! and I said CONSIDERING 4+ inches device a TABLET is pure stupid not that i am telling 4+ inces devices are stupid.

Razorfolds said,

And to be honest, the galaxy note is a pretty stupid device. It's too small to be a tablet and way too large to be a phone. You look absolutely retarded when making phone calls with it.

I've seen people making calls with the original Galaxy Tab.
People will hold a laptop to their face if that makes them look "trendy" or "edgy".

LauRoman said,
Also keep in mind that the Lumia is a (the?) flagship Nokia Windows Phone. And the note has just been released.

And the Lumia has just been released as well... lol And is probably in less markets than the Note...

Razorfolds said,

..................... You look absolutely retarded when making phone calls with it.

The Nokia N Gage isn't that even more worst?

Razorfolds said,

Wasn't there an article back in like Jan saying Nokia had sold well over 1 million Lumia 800s? Sold, not shipped.

Keep in mind the lumia 800 still isn't available in most parts of the world. So I think its safe to say they've sold more.

And to be honest, the galaxy note is a pretty stupid device. It's too small to be a tablet and way too large to be a phone. You look absolutely retarded when making phone calls with it.

nOt if you use an ear-piece...try thinking outside the box. Only an idiot would hold ANY 5" device ot their face. Anyone who can afford such a device would be smart to get a headset of some kind....

what would you say.

Simon said,
4.3" is plenty big. Any bigger than that is too much, in my opinion.

Oh... really...... I didn't know you were into guys, Simon.

Simon said,
4.3" is plenty big. Any bigger than that is too much, in my opinion.

Phones with 41 Megapixel camera are more stupid.

sanke1 said,

Phones with 41 Megapixel camera are more stupid.

first care to look at thier pure view white paper. what's exactly 41MP is!
Then come back and comment if you are dare enough

Simon said,
4.3" is plenty big. Any bigger than that is too much, in my opinion.

Oh yeah? And phones with single core CPU (like all Nokia) are obsolete!!!

Caleo said,

Oh... really...... I didn't know you were into guys, Simon.

He'd be the first gay guy I'd meet who thinks 11 cm is more than enough and any bigger than that is just too much.