Nokia reportedly delays Lumia 1520-Windows RT tablet NYC press event to Oct. 22

Way back in July, rumors began to hit the Internet that Nokia was going to make some major product announcements at a New York City press event on September 26th. The reports claimed that Nokia was going to reveal its 6-inch smartphone, the Lumia 1520, and/or a Windows RT tablet as part of the event.

Today is September 15th and so far, Nokia has sent no such invites to the media for a press conference. This weekend, two sources, WPCentral and the @evleaks Twitter account, posted word that Nokia has pushed back the event and it will now occur on October 22nd.

The most likely reason for the delay is that both the 1520 and the tablet are not expected to actually show up in stores until sometime in November. It's more than possible that Nokia wants to hold a media event at a time closer to when the devices will actually go on sale.

Speaking of which, a Weibo account posted up an image this week of what looks like the back of the 1520, except that it has a Verizon logo on the back. Previous rumors claimed that it would be launched on AT&T first. If this image isn't a fake, it's possible that Verizon Wireless might be getting a variant of the 1520 at some point.

Source: WPCentral and @evleaks on Twitter | Image via WPCentral

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Why would anyone want to buy another Windows Phone device... the OS is sub par compared to iOS and Android, and they use our personal data to show us ads and sell us stuff:

"the company will start issuing unique device IDs to new advertising partners. It claims the UDIDs aren't linked to particular devices and won't give out identifiable information, but if you still feel unsafe or don't want to be served targeted ads, you can always opt out.."

Hmm... I can't remember the name of the company that does the same thing.... If I can remember right though people here tell me I get Scroogled.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/0...e-transaction-targeted-ads/

EDIT: Microsoft is a good company.. no other company gives you targeted ads and lets you opt out and doesn't give away any personal information about you. /s.

Edited by onionjuice, Sep 15 2013, 1:39pm :

Just because you hate MS and WP doesn't negate the reality that is a good mobile OS.

Oh and by the way, all three mobile OS makers have an ad program to, you know, encourage developers to build on their platform. But hey, lets single out MS as being the only one offering that.

Since the do offer an opt out, you can decide if you want to support developers or not via ads.

trooper11 said,
Just because you hate MS and WP doesn't negate the reality that is a good mobile OS.

Oh and by the way, all three mobile OS makers have an ad program to, you know, encourage developers to build on their platform. But hey, lets single out MS as being the only one offering that.

Since the do offer an opt out, you can decide if you want to support developers or not via ads.

Yup you're right man... I hate WP that's the only reason it has a 3% market share coming from a premiere software company after 3 years while a competing OS achieves 50% market-share in relatively the same time frame.

Yup all 3 of them offer personalized ads there's only one different. They don't lie and deceive consumers the way Microsoft does.

http://www.neowin.net/news/new...ow-people-getting-scroogled
http://www.neowin.net/news/int...takes-a-few-stabs-at-chrome
http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...oogle-with-new-scroogled-ad
http://www.neowin.net/news/as-...tlookcom-lights-a-few-fires

Why are they telling users Google is tracking their every move and they should be scared when they are doing the same thing. They want us to trust them after their 40 year history of trying to monopolize everything about the computer (and failing).

Oh yea you can opt out of this program right? Guess what... you can from Google's also.. yet they are making misleading ads to make people scared.

I forgot Microsoft's new model is "develop **** products then bash competition". Apple used to do the same.... now they focus on innovation and their own products and don't compare with others.... look where they're at.

Edited by onionjuice, Sep 15 2013, 4:24pm :

See for some reason you want to assume that because WP has had slow growth, that means the OS is terrible. I see a lot of people claim that as well. You want to ignore all of the others factors, that's fine, but they in fact do exist outside of the bubble of bashing WP. People will embrace the single factor that support their view.

I could lay those out, but something tells me you really don't care.

I can agree that MS' ads can be as shady as say Apple or Samsung, but I'm not getting the point that somehow its all MS and they are the only ones marketing in this way.

As you said, you can opt out of MS' ads and opt out of Google's ads, so there you go, everyone has the choice. Although I don't think Google broadcasts the ability to opt out as much as other companies do, which makes sense considering that is their life-blood.

Samsung loves to tweak Apple in ads and look where it has gotten them? Apple may not have had such ads lately, but they are certainly not above doing the same.

As soon as you say MS makes **** products, I know exactly where your coming from and realize I'm wasting my breath trying to have a real conversation.

trooper11 said,
See for some reason you want to assume that because WP has had slow growth, that means the OS is terrible. I see a lot of people claim that as well. You want to ignore all of the others factors, that's fine, but they in fact do exist outside of the bubble of bashing WP. People will embrace the single factor that support their view.

I could lay those out, but something tells me you really don't care.

I can agree that MS' ads can be as shady as say Apple or Samsung, but I'm not getting the point that somehow its all MS and they are the only ones marketing in this way.

As you said, you can opt out of MS' ads and opt out of Google's ads, so there you go, everyone has the choice. Although I don't think Google broadcasts the ability to opt out as much as other companies do, which makes sense considering that is their life-blood.

Samsung loves to tweak Apple in ads and look where it has gotten them? Apple may not have had such ads lately, but they are certainly not above doing the same.

As soon as you say MS makes **** products, I know exactly where your coming from and realize I'm wasting my breath trying to have a real conversation.

Yes the OS is garbage for consumers to use... that's why no one adopts it. Android, iOS have better App offerings, more content, unique hardware that Windows Phone DOES NOT HAVE. Microsoft does not have an answer to anything those two have.

By the way when I say the OS is crap, I don't mean how it looks... because it looks really nice but that's not all that matters to end users.

Everyone does have a choice but Microsoft is a deceitful company. They are trying to create customers by lying about their competition or misleading people about them.

Not all the stuff they make are **** clearly... I'm using Windows 8. A lot of their recent developments have been sub par to competition and all they've been doing is bashing Gmail, Chrome, Google Docs, Android and Google thinking users will get SCARED and switch to Microsoft.

Yes Samsung loves to bash on Apple in ads but they don't do it in a cheap and deceitful way that Microsoft does. For example, when the iPhone 5 was announced they posted an info graphic about each phone's specs... ex: removable storage, and all their other software enhancements vs iOS.. they make ads about how users wait for hours in long lines to get an iPhone, etc. I don't see anyone trying to scare people or trick consumers here... True when they are equating S-Voice to Siri they aren't lying to consumers.. they are just using marketing gimmicks.

Microsoft: Oh you use Chrome? It records your history and everything and stores it in the cloud then they read it and show you ads. You should switch to Internet Explorer.

Shadow 024 said,
It's okay onionjuice. You're an adult now and he can't hurt you anymore. It's time to let go of the senseless anger.

Its okay Shadow 024 I understand you haven't matured yet. I suggest you comment once you come of age.

Again, you single out MS for being a deceitful company when there is plenty of evidence to call all the competitors deceitful.

I agree that MS does shady things, but to make this a witch hunt against MS is just going too far in my opinion. If we are going to point out MS' flaws, lets not forget the flaws that these other guys are guilty of. Don't try to tell me Google, Apple, or Samsung are angels that don't use similar tactics.

As far as WP being garbage, I'm sorry, but I'll have to disagree there. I guess people like you have seen people have bad experiences with the OS, but I have seen the opposite and I have seen other people on the internet say the same thing. Now if your basing your opinion that users don't like the way the OS works just based on market share numbers, then that's a different discussion.

The OS is actually nice for the average smartphone user. It offers most, if not all of the basic features that they want to use. The only lagging piece is a mature app library, which is something that happens over time.

Now, the real pieces of the OS that are lagging are the more 'power user' area of features, things that most users don't care about, but a group of users wants really bad. I agree there are holes there that MS must fill and it seems like they are doing that if you look at the leaks for upcoming updates.

WP's slow growth could certainly be user mass rejection of it, but considering the other factors, its hard for me to accept that to be the reason. WP is fighting an uphill battle against two entrenched competitors Apple and Google. MS has to start from scratch with a new os and a new app market. Those things require time to mature, just as it did for iOS and Android. Its similar to Macs VS PCs or Linux VS Windows in that you have a large competitor that you have to claw market share away from.

Look, WP is far from perfect, it still needs time to reach a mature plateau of features like iOS and Android have, but I believe they have gotten very close to the 'good enough for the average user' level. They just have to keep pushing out updates and growing the app market.

[quote=onionjuice said,]
Android, iOS have better App offerings, more content, unique hardware that Windows Phone DOES NOT HAVE. /quote]
I was reading all of these replies to your comment in pure interest, but when you hit this pint you lost all credibility.
One of two, you either are blind, or your facts are full of bullcrap.
Yes, I cant argue that Windows Phone is far behind iOS and Android, but there is this statement, an then there are +170000 apps in the store.
As for contentent there is a sh*t ton of useful stuff microsft integrated into Windows Phone itself; you have Skydrive, Office, Xbox Music, Xbox Live games, Bing, etcetera.
And I dont know where youre coming from with this point, but I can assure you that the harware housing Windows Phone is so unique you dont need eight cores of doom to try to run everything smooth like a baby's butt and still lag in the process.
Please dont bother answering this if you are coming with more app store bs.

trooper11 said,
Again, you single out MS for being a deceitful company when there is plenty of evidence to call all the competitors deceitful.

Like what? Where has a company lied.. and has CONTINUED to lie to consumers and try to get attention by SCARING people. Who does that?

I agree that MS does shady things, but to make this a witch hunt against MS is just going too far in my opinion. If we are going to point out MS' flaws, lets not forget the flaws that these other guys are guilty of. Don't try to tell me Google, Apple, or Samsung are angels that don't use similar tactics.

They don't try to scare people to think that Google/Apple are tracking everything you do. Like I said... the Ads from Microsoft are like..... If you use x,x, Google READS your emails, they SCAN your history, they SELL your information. Would you want your private life exposed? That's just a sick marketing tactic targeting users who don't know better and will actually believe that Google reads your email and sells it.

Why don't you read the Neowin articles yourself about the Scroogled campaign then tell me Microsoft isn't deceiving people.

As far as WP being garbage, I'm sorry, but I'll have to disagree there. I guess people like you have seen people have bad experiences with the OS, but I have seen the opposite and I have seen other people on the internet say the same thing. Now if your basing your opinion that users don't like the way the OS works just based on market share numbers, then that's a different discussion.

Well first, I'm basing my opinion off Windows Phone 7, I'm never buying a WP again because Microsoft is one to complain about fragmentation for Android when they ignored WP7 after 2 updates. Even with my GalaxyS1 I got more updates from Samsung. Yes they were slow, and I'm not saying Samsung is an angel at providing updates. I'm basing my opinion based on both market-share and my own experiences. Now, I haven't had access to the WP marketplace for quite some time but I wonder if they have some of the essential apps I need...

People at Neowin defend WP saying its not Microsoft's fault that developers aren't interested into creating apps. I need a blackboard app for my college, I need my Wells Fargo bank app.. those are two key ones I was missing when I had my WP device. It seems Android and iOS have both of those.

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a WP without a bank app or a college app. Smartphone is about convenience... I don't need Microsoft's 2 second local app. MOST USERS don't buy Windows Phone because they are scared of its paucity of apps. Cool they have the top 100 apps from Android and iOS.... a lot of people use (or want to use) more than just Facebook, Youtube, and Angry Birds.

Businesses. They develop iOS and Android apps for their employees... not WP.


The OS is actually nice for the average smartphone user. It offers most, if not all of the basic features that they want to use. The only lagging piece is a mature app library, which is something that happens over time.

Yup that's the reason people still use Symbian and WebOS. They offer the same functionality that iOS, Android, WP do.

What unique thing does WP have to offer? I don't see hardware choices that Android has, nor the app collection of iOS.

Now, the real pieces of the OS that are lagging are the more 'power user' area of features, things that most users don't care about, but a group of users wants really bad. I agree there are holes there that MS must fill and it seems like they are doing that if you look at the leaks for upcoming updates.

Most users? Yah I think they care alright when Samsung shows off their split screen multitasking or Apple's Siri.

WP's slow growth could certainly be user mass rejection of it, but considering the other factors, its hard for me to accept that to be the reason. WP is fighting an uphill battle against two entrenched competitors Apple and Google. MS has to start from scratch with a new os and a new app market. Those things require time to mature, just as it did for iOS and Android. Its similar to Macs VS PCs or Linux VS Windows in that you have a large competitor that you have to claw market share away from.

iOS was dug deep in the core of the market... Android had to claw its way in almost the same time frame that Windows Phone 7 was launched so I don't see how your point is valid here.

Look, WP is far from perfect, it still needs time to reach a mature plateau of features like iOS and Android have, but I believe they have gotten very close to the 'good enough for the average user' level. They just have to keep pushing out updates and growing the app market.

So what you're saying is they are catching up.... yup that's why people would buy Android / iOS.

ArthJar said,

I was reading all of these replies to your comment in pure interest, but when you hit this pint you lost all credibility.
One of two, you either are blind, or your facts are full of bullcrap.
Yes, I cant argue that Windows Phone is far behind iOS and Android, but there is this statement, an then there are +170000 apps in the store.
As for contentent there is a sh*t ton of useful stuff microsft integrated into Windows Phone itself; you have Skydrive, Office, Xbox Music, Xbox Live games, Bing, etcetera.
And I dont know where youre coming from with this point, but I can assure you that the harware housing Windows Phone is so unique you dont need eight cores of doom to try to run everything smooth like a baby's butt and still lag in the process.
Please dont bother answering this if you are coming with more app store bs.

8 cores? No Android has 8 cores..... If you're talking about the Galaxy S4 only 4 cores run at once. Its a combo of A-15 and A-9 for perf/low power.

Android lagging is long gone my friend. I have a single-core Galaxy S1 (my primary phone). I rooted it and run 4.1 JellyBean on it and I hardly lag.. (yes the device stutters a bit but its a 1st gen Android with a single core) thanks to project Butter.

Microsoft has a lot of stuff integrated but iOS and Android have more and they contain popular services.
First of all, Xbox Live for WP is a joke. Microsoft tried to use that as a gimmick back when Windows Phone first launched.. they would have everything say only on WP can you get Xbox Live... well turns out all you can do is check your achievements.... wow such a needed and groundbreaking feature for a phone.

Bing? lol

Office is the ONE and ONLY thing that I can't argue with Microsoft about. They have a solid product and they incorporated it well into all their services. Best out there...

App store BS? You want me to buy Windows Phone and play Angry Birds and check Facebook all day? K, I guess WP is a good gift to give for my little cousin.. oh wait, iOS has more games to offer too.

Oh yea by the way I hear Nokia's launching a phone/tablet with a Quad Core + 1080p soon. Who's the fool here?

Then use a 4 inch screen to check my class notes in a desktop version of Blackboard while I can readily get all the things I need with my School's BB app for Android.

What does WP excel in? Nothing. Some would argue design... yes its really unique but what else? I'm not buying a phone to look at blue tiles all day..

I have a feeling that the rumor was always right except things have changed after the acquisition. It's going to be so confusing for a consumer who wouldn't know whether to pick Nokia lineup of tablets or Surface especially since the former will be losing its name.

MS should really continue using the name 'Nokia' since it has a big brand value especially in developing countries which MS doesn't have when it comes to phones and devices.

Two days ago I received a survey from Nokia care with questions like: "How would you define a new device with a large screen like the Galaxy Note? A phablet? A mini-tablet?" , another question was something like: " How do you feel about calling a new device with a large screen a phablet?" so it seems that Nokia is still assessing the marketing guidelines for the new device.

If I had that survey, I'd be "Phablet sucks". I don't think any company, even Samsung, markets their phones as a "phablet". It makes me think it's a girly thing, since it sounds like "fab"-let.

Good for Nokia. I think it's bad to show a phone to the public 2-3 month before it can be shipped. It should be available 10-14 days after a press event to keep the excitement going.

Yes, I agree, this is the main big error always made by Nokia, announcing a tasty device, then, make it available 2~3 months later, when everybody have already forgotten. For example, Apple and Samsung, after the official announcements, allow preorder a 3~4 days later then the devices are available at least 2 weeks later.

It's fun to see rumors claiming that an event that only has been rumored being delayed. We don't know even if it ever was planned for this month. So, let's launch another rumor: 5 october, Samsung is going to hold a press conference to show us a fancy new phone.

Then, 2 weeks later: Nop, it will happen 30 October. Delay!

No seriously... Is it than realy delayed, or just never planned to be here that time. Before using the word "delay" try to figuer out if it was ever planned on another date.

All the rumors point out to an update in WP8 as well (1080p screen and quad core support).
Isn't Nokia waiting for that event to happen first? Or at least coincide...

What do you think?

eladbs said,
All the rumors point out to an update in WP8 as well (1080p screen and quad core support).
Isn't Nokia waiting for that event to happen first? Or at least coincide...

What do you think?

I believe you're correct, the newest WP8 GDR3 news is that it's going out in late October. So this could match up with that well.

GP007 said,

I believe you're correct, the newest WP8 GDR3 news is that it's going out in late October. So this could match up with that well.


I hope Nokia will launch a successor for the 920 as well: max 5" screen, 32/64 GB storage and/or SD card, 1080p screen, polycarbonate body and no hump in the back. And of course all colors available Worldwide.
6" is not for me, I am more interested in a 7" mini-tablet with 8.1 Pro and full handwriting capabilities.