Nokia UK boss: Our Windows Phone is “absolutely stunning”

Last week, Microsoft finally announced its first official confirmation that the ‘Mango’ update for Windows Phone would be released within a fortnight or so, ending weeks of speculation over when existing handsets would receive the greatly anticipated 7.5 release.

Of course, Mango isn’t only for current devices; the arrival of Windows Phone 7.5 will also bring with it a new wave of phone hardware. HTC has already announced its new Radar and TITAN handsets; Samsung is launching its Focus Flash and Focus S phones in the US, and has just announced its new mid-range Omnia W phone for other markets; and ZTE announced its first Windows Phone today too.

Many more Mango handsets are expected from these and other manufacturers in the weeks and months ahead, but none is so eagerly awaited as the first Windows Phone device from Nokia, codenamed ‘Sea Ray’.

In an interview with Pocket-lint, Conor Pierce – general manager for Nokia UK and Ireland – discussed the handset, and the challenges faced by the company. Perhaps the most interesting and promising insight revealed by Pierce was how positively Sea Ray has been received by Nokia’s partners – including retailers and network operators – in the UK:

"Absolutely stunning' - to the partners we have shown the device to, their words, not necessarily mine (although I agree), upon showing it to them. It’s spontaneous and unprompted. They say ‘the first Nokia Windows Phone is absolutely stunning’, and that’s die-hard gurus in this business who have thick skin. For them to say that spontaneously without any sales pitch shows what we are bringing is pretty spectacular. And that’s only the beginning.”

Sea Ray needs to be stunning. The stakes are pretty high here, both for Nokia – which has pinned all of its long-term smartphone hopes on the Windows Phone operating system – and for Microsoft, which has witnessed lackluster sales of WP7 handsets in their first year on the market, and which desperately needs to leverage Nokia’s enormous scale in order to grow the Windows Phone ecosystem.

Pierce acknowledges the challenges that lie ahead, but appears in no doubt that Nokia’s focus on Windows Phone was the way forward. He believes that “the scale and quality that [Nokia] will bring to the WP7 ecosystem is unique”, adding that the company “will deliver a very superior smartphone, a very different experience”.

Reaffirming his confidence in both Nokia’s decision to embrace Windows Phone, and in the company’s first WP7 devices, he explains that Nokia wants to build on the “unrivalled connection with consumers” that the brand has, noting that for many current smartphone buyers, a Nokia was their first phone. He believes that this will prove to be a great asset in encouraging users to buy Sea Ray and other future devices:

"We ran an independent focus group recently, and the question was asked: ‘Which manufacturer would you like to see produce the next Windows Phone?’ and the answer was Nokia. They want Nokia back, and they know we can deliver.”

Pierce also concedes that there is work to be done in improving the retail presence for Nokia and Windows Phone, but indicates that Nokia UK is investing heavily in this area, including better training for retail staff. The company is also working hard to build confidence with developers, he says, “so that they understand the scale of what we can do, not just in the UK but globally, and with the power of Microsoft and their Marketplace and their developer ecosystem… We just need to plug in the right devices and get them confident about it.”

While Nokia’s first app for Windows Phone was released today, there’s still a little while to go before the first actual handset makes its official debut. Sea Ray is expected to be announced a month from today, at the company’s Nokia World conference in London on October 26.

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I'm not sure whether I'm repeating anything from the above, but I'll say this for the naysayers who are claiming MS should just cut their losses already with WP7.

WP7 is very much part of their long-term strategy. They're essentially betting the farm with the metro-style UI...that's what Win8 for the desktop is going to be using, that's what Windows-based tablets are going to be using, and it's what the Windows phones are already using today.

The phone might not be getting much traction right now, but once Win8 is in the market, and people are used to it on the desktop, and realize that the Windows phones are using the exact same UI, switching to it will be a no-brainer for a lot of users.

It's funny how the Apple trolls are so predictable in that they canot see beyond their eye caps and outside their own little circle. Funny how they think the numbers Apple is spewing out are so monstrous.

In the real world of people using phones in general 20million+ phones is a drop in the bucket. Also Nokia is a somewhat bigger player then Apple in the phonemarket overal.

Lastly build quality and design of Nokia is way beyond what Apple does IMO. Combine that with WP7 which is vastly superiour to iOS you get a very good phone with a very good OS..

Trouble is, Apple is master at selling **** as gold to the dumnut crowds and sofar MS has not been as good in that field. It's the VHS vs BETAMAX thing all over.. I just hope BETAMAX can come out on top this time..

Im yet to see anyone with a Windows phone. I want to see one. Currently with Android and hate it. Would like to see WP7 before I commit to back to rip off Apple for the iPhone. As much as the iPhone is expensive its still the best smartphone I have ever had.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm a Google fanboy somewhat. But Android? **** that. WP7 is a MUCH better experience right off the bat.

Of course, I'd choose the iPhone over all of them, but WP7 definitely stands out as a decent runner-up.

dead.cell said,
I'm not gonna lie, I'm a Google fanboy somewhat. But Android? **** that. WP7 is a MUCH better experience right off the bat.

Clearly you've never used a Galaxy S II. Every WP7 phone I've tested pales in comparison.

I don't see much of a future for WP7. Purely because they tried to change the way we use phones in one big hit, instead of gradually changing the way we interact with phones.

Oh well. I f'in HATE my WP7 device.

Does anyone else feel bad for the Nokia employee who was recently fired for giving a vague praise for this device on Twitter? He didn't give any specifics at all, other than he thought it was awesome, and yet he was given the boot by the company for improper social media use.

Hypocrisy much?

What people really don't get is that it doesn't matter how fast wp7 gains market share it will eventually catch on with pretty much anybody that has a PC and Xbox at home. That's a lot of dough if you ask me. Most of my buddies realised the potential of having a real MS office platform right in their pockets let alone the fact that the phone, PC, and xbox will be able to play each other. It's not about immediate success for Microsoft or outselling apple or google on the phone market. It's about building the strongest platform. It's about grabing your devices everywhere in the house and having perfect and seamless compatibility. Compatibility that is beyond the hardware's brand and processor. that is something no other OS can bring to the table in a simple way. That is why MS gave exchange rights to android and iOS, that is why my hotmail actually works better at syncing my ipad2 email, calendar and contacts with my samsung focus; better than gmail and cheaper than mobileMe.

IMO microsoft looks well beyond Apple and Google's vision, its not just a phone its a platform cornerstone. It's a phone OS that doesn't need a bunch of apps to show you all the pictures and posts you care about. It's an os that doesn't need huge specs in order to function fluidly without freezing or hiccupping. I'm my class where a bunch of regular iOS and Android end-users after seeing my new Focus consider it a step up from their phones... that has a lot to say about what Microsoft is doing with the whole platform.

trashoner said,
What people really don't get is that it doesn't matter how fast wp7 gains market share it will eventually catch on with pretty much anybody that has a PC and Xbox at home. That's a lot of dough if you ask me. Most of my buddies realised the potential of having a real MS office platform right in their pockets let alone the fact that the phone, PC, and xbox will be able to play each other. It's not about immediate success for Microsoft or outselling apple or google on the phone market. It's about building the strongest platform. It's about grabing your devices everywhere in the house and having perfect and seamless compatibility. Compatibility that is beyond the hardware's brand and processor. that is something no other OS can bring to the table in a simple way. That is why MS gave exchange rights to android and iOS, that is why my hotmail actually works better at syncing my ipad2 email, calendar and contacts with my samsung focus; better than gmail and cheaper than mobileMe.

IMO microsoft looks well beyond Apple and Google's vision, its not just a phone its a platform cornerstone. It's a phone OS that doesn't need a bunch of apps to show you all the pictures and posts you care about. It's an os that doesn't need huge specs in order to function fluidly without freezing or hiccupping. I'm my class where a bunch of regular iOS and Android end-users after seeing my new Focus consider it a step up from their phones... that has a lot to say about what Microsoft is doing with the whole platform.


My thoughts exactly. MS is here to compete in the long run, and I have a feeling they're really on to something with WP7. It will take a while to get there, but once they do, they'll dominate.

trashoner said,
What people really don't get is that it doesn't matter how fast wp7 gains market share it will eventually catch on with pretty much anybody that has a PC and Xbox at home. That's a lot of dough if you ask me. Most of my buddies realised the potential of having a real MS office platform right in their pockets let alone the fact that the phone, PC, and xbox will be able to play each other. It's not about immediate success for Microsoft or outselling apple or google on the phone market. It's about building the strongest platform. It's about grabing your devices everywhere in the house and having perfect and seamless compatibility. Compatibility that is beyond the hardware's brand and processor. that is something no other OS can bring to the table in a simple way. That is why MS gave exchange rights to android and iOS, that is why my hotmail actually works better at syncing my ipad2 email, calendar and contacts with my samsung focus; better than gmail and cheaper than mobileMe.

IMO microsoft looks well beyond Apple and Google's vision, its not just a phone its a platform cornerstone. It's a phone OS that doesn't need a bunch of apps to show you all the pictures and posts you care about. It's an os that doesn't need huge specs in order to function fluidly without freezing or hiccupping. I'm my class where a bunch of regular iOS and Android end-users after seeing my new Focus consider it a step up from their phones... that has a lot to say about what Microsoft is doing with the whole platform.

+100000

I hope it is not a ditto copy of N9 from the outside. Because we have already seen it, and there won't be a much surprise then.
So far it looks very similar.

I hope it is not a ditto copy of N9 from the outside. Because we have already seen it, and there won't be a much surprise then.
So far it looks very similar.

I hope it is not a ditto copy of N9 from the outside. Because we have already seen it, and there won't be a much surprise then.
So far it looks very similar.

Hrmm yeah unless theres unannouced handsets for the UK I dont think the SeaRay is absolutely stunning, its nice but I wont be parting with my Omnia7 for it.

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?
I haven't in the real world, only at MSP/Microsoft/Hack events. Sucks

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?

I see one every so often. Usually it's a Focus, but I've seen a few others

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?

I have actually seen plenty here in Sydney.
Though my definition of plenty may be different than yours...I'd certainly see more iphones in 1 day than I would see WP7 handsets in a month. But the point is they are out there.

Marketing is terrible.
I've been holding off getting a phone for months for this mango to be released. Nokia have left it too long, I cannot wait until 2012 so I'm going to have to settle for one of the earlier adapters.
I refuse to get an iphone, my last phone was a blackberry and wouldn't go there again with other OS' out there.
And my current is Android, albeit on the cheapest Android phone I could find to fill the void until I wanted to sign up for a new contract.

I can't even find a place that sells them, let alone anybody actually using them. The last time I went looking for a new phone, the WP7 display was broken; one phone was completely inoperable and the other was disconnected from alarm unit (i.e. no battery).

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?

Have you considered that WP7 is a lot like the Microsoft commercials, and we can use it in a matter of seconds and have it put back away in our pocket before you have time to see what phone we are using?

Sure the WP7 numbers are also tiny, but if you do the math, 2-3 people out of 40 you meet are WP7 users.

There really is truth in the speed and ease of WP7 that makes it something you pull out of your pocket, and using one hand, can access all your important information and literally do everything you need in a few seconds and put it away.

I often am surprised how little I use my WP7 phone, yet I do more on it than any other phone. (I used several Androids and iPhones, and have access to the latest versions that literally sit on my desk at work that I can pick up and use as my phone anytime I want.)

Instead I have been using a middle of the road WP7 HTC Trophy as my personal phone exclusively, and I haven't even put Mango on it, and I have the lastest pre-RTM developer ROM for it. (Even knowing how much more impressive Mango is, the stock NoDo build has been a relief from Android and iOS.)

If people used a WP7 for just one day, they would have 'wow that was too easy' moments, and find that their phone is no longer something they work on, but instead something that works for them.

(This truly is why you won't see WP7 users, as they are not digging through icons, or waiting for widgets and a home screen to load, or screaming about a FC, or smacking their head because Android needed RAM and closed an important application without saving their information, or anything thing else that bring attention to their phone.)

*I have personally seen a lot of things to make the WP7 simplicity stand out. Watching my iPhone lock up on important calls and insane App crashes to Android's horrible memory manager terminating important Apps like the Dialer App in the middle of calls because it decided to sync Facebook or GMail and needed more RAM. Just the FCs on Android are enough to make WP7 look like a dream product, especially when it is the Camera App and you trying to get a quick picture of something really important.

----I don't miss any of these things, and lot more horrors that could make a short novel, with 1/4 of it dedicated to the iPhone and 3/4 of it dedicated to Android.

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?

No, you are not the only one....I haven't seen one yet .....In fact, I only know of one person who has a Mozart(WP7)....m raring to meet him soon! lol ....... but that could be due to multitude of reasons - bad marketing, no marketplace for India yet(supposed to be available in next month or so!), high price range for phones(as of now) etc etc .....And m sure things will improve once nokia comes into market full throttle!

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?

Not the only one

Not only have I not seen a WP7 device in the wild but I have not even encountered anyone outside of the internet that even knows that it exists....

Lets face it, WP7 is on a one way trip to no-wheres-ville

warwagon said,
Am I the only one, or has anyone else here never seen a single person who has a WP7?
I've mostly seen the Focus. I think the issue is carriers isnt pushing trying to sell them. They are pushing Android and iPhone.

Our Windows Phone is “Absolutely stunning”
- Way to hype your own product! (one that's doomed to fail at that)

Let me hear that from an independent reviewer, then I might believe it.

superconductive said,
Our Windows Phone is “Absolutely stunning”
- Way to hype your own product! (one that's doomed to fail at that)

Let me hear that from an independent reviewer, then I might believe it.


And yet when Apple does the same thing (x100000), you instantly wet your pants, right?

TDT said,

And yet when Apple does the same thing (x100000), you instantly wet your pants, right?

Except Apple doesn't brag about a product the public hasn't seen yet.

.Neo said,

Except Apple doesn't brag about a product the public hasn't seen yet.

Have you seen their keynotes?

.Neo said,

Except Apple doesn't brag about a product the public hasn't seen yet.
Urmm, Theres a picture in the OP.

.Neo said,

Except Apple doesn't brag about a product the public hasn't seen yet.

Really? You're saying that after Jobs showcased the iPhone as magical?

TDT said,

And yet when Apple does the same thing (x100000), you instantly wet your pants, right?

No!!! I don't instantly wet my pants!!

It takes a few minutes....

superconductive said,
Our Windows Phone is “Absolutely stunning”
- Way to hype your own product! (one that's doomed to fail at that)

Let me hear that from an independent reviewer, then I might believe it.

"Absolutely stunning' - to the partners we have shown the device to, their words, not necessarily mine"

So actually he's not saying it, the partners he is showing it to are saying it. That's fairly independent, I would say.

.Neo said,

Except Apple doesn't brag about a product the public hasn't seen yet.
Liar. Apple brags about their new product when they are showing it to you for the first time. They try to pawn off features that are. yes NEW to iPhone; but yet existed on other devices nearly in many cases a year previously. Then they try to pawn it off, as look at how we did it. Oh we did it better?

Let me give an example. I dont understand the marketing hype with a "white" phone. Yet every phone maker has had one. And guess what, they didn't have any manufacturing issues with them either. I mean how hard is it to make a ceramic white as oppose to black? I mean please name something that is really so innovative about the iPhone 4? I have one. The design is cool. But metal and glass together? Its been done before. Even on this style of phone.

What Apple is good at is making people like you drool over "nothing". I do like my iPhone very much. In fact I sold my black one and bought an Android phone I liked, but I missed some of the games I liek to play. Some of which the quality of the game on Android wasnt what I liked. I took it back and bought the white iPhone instead.

I am waiting on a hot perfect Windows Phone device. I see 2 I like, but neither is oming to VZW. I am surely eyeing the Titan. I said if VZW doesn't have something equal or better by XMAS, I will buy the Titan and just use it on WiFi. Thats how nice it is. Or I will even find a way to buy the Sea Ray and ship it to the States and use it on WiFi.

Apple bragged about how revolutionary the iPhone 4's antenna was. Yet it dropped more calls vs the 3 models. And it was easy to duplicate the problem on all of them simply by civerign the gaps which is natural for many as that is how they have always held a phone. Yet Steve told us we were "using it wrong", "holding it wrong"...Whatever.

and look how they bragged about the camera. Yes it did take pictures better than some 8MP shooters. However, what they didnt tell u is how unlike those 8MP shooters, u have no picture control. You cant set the resolution of the picture, you can set if u want to take the picture in sepia or blue or B/W.

Oh and the top oen of all, who can forget the "Retina Display". It means nothing. All it is, is the display resolution si so high, you eyes can't detect the pixels used to make a graphic. Oh wow. I woudl expect if you took a 1650 x 1080 resolution and drop it into a 3.7 in display, you likely wouldnt be able to see the pixels either. Right? It means nothing, its like saying grass is green and the sky is blue. Yet you as a fan was just drooling..."oh I gotta have that".

So what you going to brag about with iPhone 5? Dualcore? 8MP camera? iOS5 with all its Android-like features? That stuff Apple will "brag" about that other phones have had since 2009/10?? I mean really?

Sorry to bust your bubble. I love tech toys too. I have bad habits wit toys. I liek to open them and feel them and smell the new small. I love the slick cold feel of my glass sided iPhone even tho I feel its a poor design as far as longevity and standing up to massive handling. And yes theer have been a few time I pulled it out and then I smile when I see someone pull out an ugly phone from RIM or Google or Palm. But they are all beautiful in their own way.

Its Google, Its Palm, Its Motorola and others who dont brag about their devices and have them sell on their own merits. iPhone just sells simply because its an iPod and its popular. Many who buy one cant even tell you why they have one.

Tom said,
I honestly hope Nokia do well with WP.

Me too. I'd like to see a market share pie more evenly distributed. Trolls need to troll. Fanboys need to keep routing for their home team. Both are wrong because consumers win when their is healthy competition.

"Stunning" is an overstatement, IMO. They look like old Nano cases to me. Not much brand identification either (excluding logo). Yawn. I am still intrigued by the OS itself, however.

bjoswald said,
"Stunning" is an overstatement, IMO. They look like old Nano cases to me. Not much brand identification either (excluding logo). Yawn. I am still intrigued by the OS itself, however.

I am curious, have you managed to see one in real life? If so, how come you aren't sharing a video, pictures or a description of the device?

bjoswald said,
"Stunning" is an overstatement, IMO. They look like old Nano cases to me. Not much brand identification either (excluding logo). Yawn. I am still intrigued by the OS itself, however.

Oh yes, because I need a huge brand identification on my phone so I can feel more confident about things that matter.

Enron said,

Oh yes, because I need a huge brand identification on my phone so I can feel more confident about things that matter.

Perhaps it's not really relevant but didn't MS go on the record as saying that Android handsets are monotonous and have very little to distinguish between them? Then they went on to claim that WP7 will give manufacturers the brand identification they seek, even though they've imposed strict hardware and software limitations on said manufacturers, restricting them even more than Android does. While some Android handsets are very similar (I'm looking at you HTC) there is still a wider range of sizes, performance, features etc than I could ever see appearing on a WP7 handset. Perhaps once MS loosen the restrictions I'll consider a WP7 handset but at the moment they're all essentially the same and a little lacklustre imo.

Hollow.Droid said,

Perhaps it's not really relevant but didn't MS go on the record as saying that Android handsets are monotonous and have very little to distinguish between them? Then they went on to claim that WP7 will give manufacturers the brand identification they seek, even though they've imposed strict hardware and software limitations on said manufacturers, restricting them even more than Android does. While some Android handsets are very similar (I'm looking at you HTC) there is still a wider range of sizes, performance, features etc than I could ever see appearing on a WP7 handset. Perhaps once MS loosen the restrictions I'll consider a WP7 handset but at the moment they're all essentially the same and a little lacklustre imo.

Let me ask, are you blind out of one eye and can't see out the other? Are your medicine cabinets just full of stupid pills? And what limiatations? What 3 buttons? How many buttons you need? MS says the resolution has to be a minimum of 800 x 480. It didn't say every phone has to have that resolutions. The phone makers are just lazy.

Also, have you seen ALL the Windows Phone handsets so far? They ll look very sleek and very different.

That have way more variations than iPhone. With iPhone you get 2 varitions, 16GB or 32GB and white or black.

Windows Phones come in almost all colors of the rainbow depending on where you live and how fast new models appear. More are coming especially once Nokia starts panning out variations.

Grow up a lil. Eopn your blind eyes, lay off the pill and for God's sake get out the basement.

To be honest, I think that Windows Phone is doomed to fail as long as they have the "Windows" brand. There are so many people out there with their 7 year-old virus-ridden computers running XP thinking that Windows is terrible and iAnything is hip and cool.

bdsams said,
i dont think those types are the ones carrying smartphones...

You'd be surprised. Out here in Montana, there is not a decent computer to be found within a hundred miles (apart from mine, of course). On the other hand, when I was in HS I saw every other kid carrying an iPod or iPhone.

Point being: Smartphones are a brilliant market simply in the fact that they penetrate into the people who never had an interest in computing beyond WordPerfect and Facebook.

Reacon said,
Smartphones are a brilliant market simply in the fact that they penetrate into the people who never had an interest in computing beyond WordPerfect and Compuserve.

FTFY!

Reacon said,
To be honest, I think that Windows Phone is doomed to fail as long as they have the "Windows" brand. There are so many people out there with their 7 year-old virus-ridden computers running XP thinking that Windows is terrible and iAnything is hip and cool.

Let's face it, WP7 is a flop! I highly doubt Nokia will be able to revive it...

superconductive said,

Let's face it, WP7 is a flop! I highly doubt Nokia will be able to revive it...


Clueless user is clueless.

superconductive said,

Let's face it, WP7 is a flop! I highly doubt Nokia will be able to revive it...


It's such a flop that every phone company outside of Apple are making WP7 phones. Your trolling skills are sadly lacking.

ahhell said,

It's such a flop that every phone company outside of Apple are making WP7 phones. Your trolling skills are sadly lacking.

I have yet to see anyone with a WP7

TDT said,

Clueless user is clueless.

ahhell said,

It's such a flop that every phone company outside of Apple are making WP7 phones. Your trolling skills are sadly lacking.

It's obvious that you are either deluded or out of touch with reality.

When you release an mobile OS and more than 1.5 years later it still has no more than 3% marketshare, what would you call that? A success I take it by your standards?
Open your eyes people...
And for the record, I have yet to see anyone with WP7.

superconductive said,

It's obvious that you are either deluded or out of touch with reality.

When you release an mobile OS and more than 1.5 years later it still has no more than 3% marketshare, what would you call that? A success I take it by your standards?
Open your eyes people...
And for the record, I have yet to see anyone with WP7.


More than 1.5 years? Wat? It hasn't even been a year.

Reacon said,
To be honest, I think that Windows Phone is doomed to fail as long as they have the "Windows" brand. There are so many people out there with their 7 year-old virus-ridden computers running XP thinking that Windows is terrible and iAnything is hip and cool.

Sure there are people out there with crappy old computers, but that doesn't have any bearing on the brand name, when Windows 7 has a good reputation and is winning over even hardened Windows haters because of the statistical numbers that show Windows 7 to be faster, more stable and more secure than Linux and OS X.

So when people associate Windows 7's brand with Windows Phone 7, this is a positive, not a negative.

Windows Phone 7 has a lot of room for growth and it is getting good attention with the Mango update that brings WP7 to the level of Microsoft's original design set of features and functionality.

As for the Windows® brand, people really don't put it into real world perspective, because the general news and tech news is saturated with Apple and Google/Android, even though they are tiny.

You are right that most people are running XP/Vista versions of Windows. However if you separate out just the Windows 7 users in the world, there are almost 500 Million of them.

To put this number into technology 'reality' and be comparative, consider this:

There are more Windows 7 users/computers than...

• All the Macs EVER sold.
• All the iPhones EVER sold.
• All the iPads EVER sold.
• All the iPods EVER sold.
...and
• All the Macs, iPhones, iPads, and iPods EVER sold combined.

So even though Apples gets good press and is making good money, they are still tiny in the technology world compared to Microsoft using just one product, Windows 7.

So there are about 1/2 billion 'happy' Windows 7 users out there, as potential customers. (Also in the 1 billion Vista/XP users, I would bet many of them still like the Windows brand too.)

Android has some good numbers, but is also tiny compared to the Microsoft Windows 7 numbers. Google and Android also are hitting into problems with users getting tired of 'FC' and getting stuck with older versions of Android, etc.

With WP7, it has the ability to hit both the high end with new phones that are in the bargain range in addition to the 'beyond Android/iPhone' devices with 13mp & 18mp cameras, waterproof, etc. WP7 can do what iPhone can't and that is compete against Android with device diversity in pricing and features, like real keyboards, and cheap devices for prepaid carriers, etc.

So now you have WP7 that will be able to start to grab the still 'upcoming' next generation of smartphone buyers, and it hits them better than Android, as it is far easier to use for someone that is coming from a traditional phone.

Also remember that the non-smartphone segment of the phone market is still over 60%, so that is a lot of potential customers.

With Android users wanting something 'better' (consistent OS, stable, secure, faster, and not Apple) they will consider WP7 as it won't be lacking any features after Mango hits, and has a lot of features that Android just cannot do, like fully GPU accelerated UI, and much faster OS Platform (Dalvik is extermely slow compared to .NET and OpenGL ES is slow compared to DirectX.)


Besides, as you notice, people have already obscured the 'Windows' branding, because everyone calls it WP7.

Even if WP7 was called DonkeyPile v.001 beta, it would still have a fighting chance, as the platform is stable, fast, and secure. (This isn't .NET or WinCE's first time at the rodeo, so to speak.)

So as Mango's press adds some buzz and credibility, the next thing that is already adding 'buzz' is Windows 8.

Which will get even more buzz for WP7 as more people realize that WP8 will be running a true version of the Windows 8 desktop OS, full NT kernel, and all the extra features and functionality it offers that is light years beyond iOS and Android.

Even the pre-beta version of Windows 8 running on a 1ghz ARM processor is far faster than an iPad2 - compare iOS's 'Numbers' to the Excel videos running on a Windows 8 ARM tablet.

Windows brand, especially with what has been seen of Windows 7 by users and what is possible with Windows 8 is a GOOD thing for WP7.

/- Razorfold said,

More than 1.5 years? Wat? It hasn't even been a year.

Wikipedia says "Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone on February 15, 2010, at Mobile World Congress 2010"
But whatever you get the point, even if it's less than a year...

superconductive said,

Wikipedia says "Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone on February 15, 2010, at Mobile World Congress 2010"
But whatever you get the point, even if it's less than a year...

unveiled and RELEASE isn't the same thing. if you dont even know that, i dont know how you can say "its dead bla bla" go use whatever you want and shut up.
at least if you will read Wikipedia for that info, learn how to read it.

"even if its less than a year" because ITS less than a year.

Initial release

NA November 8, 2010
EU October 21, 2010

so yeah its not a year just saying.

Agree.

superconductive said,

Wikipedia says "Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone on February 15, 2010, at Mobile World Congress 2010"
But whatever you get the point, even if it's less than a year...

Reacon said,
To be honest, I think that Windows Phone is doomed to fail as long as they have the "Windows" brand.

I don't see how branding something with one of the world most known brands is a bad thing? Look at 'Windows' 7... Its doing alright for having the brand "Windows"

EmilyTheStrange said,

unveiled and RELEASE isn't the same thing. if you dont even know that, i dont know how you can say "its dead bla bla" go use whatever you want and shut up.
at least if you will read Wikipedia for that info, learn how to read it.

"even if its less than a year" because ITS less than a year.

Initial release

NA November 8, 2010
EU October 21, 2010

so yeah its not a year just saying.

Nobody has a crystal ball. Who knows, WP7 may soar past the competition and I'll be proven wrong. In fact, it's adoption rate is already on the rise (albeit very slowly).
Only time will tell. But based on the way things are today and how it was received thus far since its release, I think it is simply unrealistic to think it will gain any mass popularity or become a major contender in the near future. And to say otherwise would be ignoring the current statistics/data that is out there.

So the question becomes, will Nokia truly be the Miracle that WP7 needs to propel itself in the market? My best guess is that one phone manufacturer can't be expected to dramatically change the course (but again I could be wrong).

ahhell said,

It's such a flop that every phone company outside of Apple are making WP7 phones. Your trolling skills are sadly lacking.

What every company ? name 6 companies. Android has more than 50 companies on it's list

alexalex said,

What every company ? name 6 companies. Android has more than 50 companies on it's list

Acer, Dell, HTC, LG, Samsung & Fujitsu Toshiba. Oh, and Nokia, ZTE, Acer to come.

Now you name 25 companies for android phones It's only half the amount you claim - should be easy...

TDT said,
Clueless user is clueless.

Superconductive is totally right about the flop, because WP7 was a total flop due to missing core features (Copy and Paste, direct Outlook sync, tethering, etc.). Microsoft said that WP7 phone is designed for consumers section and totally ignored Microsoft professionals and business users who needed these features and who said that phone it s**t. So Microsoft managed to lose more of their smartphone market. “Mango” will fix that partly. I own WM6 and WP7 btw.

superconductive said,

It's obvious that you are either deluded or out of touch with reality.

When you release an mobile OS and more than 1.5 years later it still has no more than 3% marketshare, what would you call that? A success I take it by your standards?
Open your eyes people...
And for the record, I have yet to see anyone with WP7.

After 1.5 years, Android had less than 3% arketshare. So what's your point?