NPD: Chromebooks now claim 20-25 percent of sub-$300 US laptop sales

A couple of months ago, a report from Digitimes claimed that sales of Chromebooks had totaled just 500,000 units in the first 21 months since the first Chrome OS laptop went on sale. But has that situation changed? A new report from the NPD research firm suggests that sales of Chromebooks are doing better than expected.

In an interview with ZDNet, Stephen Baker, NPD's Vice President of Industry Analysis for Consumer Technology, claims that Chromebooks that have prices below $300 have now claimed 20 to 25 percent of the US markets for laptops in that price region in the last eight month. In fact, Baker claims that sales of Chromebooks in general now make up five percent of the total PC market in the US.

Part of the reason for the upswing in sales is that Chromebooks in general have improved in terms of hardware. While the first generation of these laptops were hard to use without an Internet connection, the current versions can now handle more offline activities. Yet another reason is that Google has been pushing Chromebooks hard in terms of marketing and promotion, particularly with their "For Everyone" TV ads.

The good news for Microsoft? Baker says that NPD has seen sales growth for Windows 8 notebooks in that same sub-$300 price point as well. He stated, "There's a trend towards aggressively priced PCs. These PCs are filling in the space left where the netbook used to be."

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So in theory that % of people i know buying cheap laptops would be using a chromebook? I have never seen one, not even for sale in local shops.

Chromebooks will always be a niche product that only diehard Scroogle users will buy. It's useless without internet connection being on 24 hours and you'll be watched by big brother Scroogle with advertising!

In my case, the chromebooks webpage says
"Buy a Chromebook online for just € 449."

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

chromebook 0
WindowsPhone 0
Windows 8 RT 1
Surface 0
iPad too many to count
Android tablets too many to count

corrosive23 said,
I have counted over 50 on the University of Arizona campus. Surface? 0

Everybody's complaining about the Surface being priced at a premium, yet *somebody* had to go ahead and try to compare it with how a dirt-cheap laptop is doing in a "poor student" setting. Yeah, makes sense to me.

I have yet to see a Chromebook at Starbucks, McDonalds, etc. The only place I have seen them was at a chess tournament at a school in their library. They were not using them for Chrome but as remote access to their windows environment.

Spicoli said,
Is $300 some magic price barrier or did they just pick that in order to have a story?

$299 is a great price point for a lot of people. I didn't hesitate to spend $249 on my Samsung Chromebook last November. Especially considering what it does and how portable it is.

A simple Google search will show you several products with stories on $299 Price Point

http://blogs.golf.com/equipmen...umber-for-a-new-driver.html
http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...ayers-to-reach-299-in-2007/
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/08/22...rbished-ipads-now-just-299/
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1570373.html
http://www.maximumpc.com/artic...%80%93_some_models_sell_out
http://www.avsforum.com/t/5706...399-w-hd-or-299-without/240
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/02/emerging-market-tablets/
http://www.thecomputermagician...w-how-do-i-create-read-more
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps4-news/173.html

These stories have one thing in common. They all use the terminology "magic price" or "magic number".

So yeah it wasn't something they picked, consumers picked it.

Spicoli said,
I can give you a bigger list at sub-400. Why did they pick 300?

Never mind. You have your mind made up. Go about your day.

Spicoli said,
I can give you a bigger list at sub-400. Why did they pick 300?

Cause it's 100$ less. Maybe for evangelists 100$ is not a lot of money. But for a family of four this is often the difference between having a "laptop" for everyday tasks and not having one.

I have the latest Samsung ChromeBook too, I and my wife use it to browse the internet, and connect remotely to the Windows Desktop (VM) using Chrome Remote Desktop, the remote desktop is pretty fast and works just from anywhere regardless of the ip addresses.

The Good things:

No viruses, no formats, no maintenance, fast boot, no heat, long battery life, very nice to browse the internet, watch YouTube, write some documents (although I prefer Word), very light, can connect to a Windows or a Mac pc from anywhere for free, easy video conference, and much more.

The bad things:

Limited processor performance, while most of the sites are ok, Google Plus is slow from ChromeBook

I still see it as a good investment for businesses, business can write their internal apps in html (even as Offline Html Desktop Apps, Chrome calls them Packaged Apps) and run them on Chrome, there is no need for maintenance, formatting, viruses, you name it, all gone. a lot of money can be saved there by not using Windows

For home use? Well, still limited!

john.smith_2084 said,
Limited processor performance, while most of the sites are ok, Google Plus is slow from ChromeBook

I have the same Chromebook as you and Google+ runs just as well in my Chromebook as it does in my Windows Core i7 Laptop. I wonder if you have some scripts running through Tampermonkey or bad extensions that slow you down. I would look into that.

DarkNet said,

I have the same Chromebook as you and Google+ runs just as well in my Chromebook as it does in my Windows Core i7 Laptop. I wonder if you have some scripts running through Tampermonkey or bad extensions that slow you down. I would look into that.

Ahhh, we both know that is not true

john.smith_2084 said,

Ahhh, we both know that is not true

Actually if you want I can do a hangout with you from my windows machine pointing at my Chromebook and you can try to prove me wrong. In fact we can post the link here for people to see. You can also do the same and I will show you where your mistakes are.

You are saying the latest Samsung Chromebook which I have. The products are identical but the users are clearly not. So what do you say?

Maybe because after the collapse of netbooks Chromebooks will be one of the few sub-300 laptops still available? The rest has been replaced, or is in the progress of being replaced, by tablets.

I like my Chromebook. It's the perfect university companion for writing and surfing the web. Also, if you use Google Services heavily, you have pretty much everything with you, always.

causa45 said,
I like my Chromebook. It's the perfect university companion for writing and surfing the web. Also, if you use Google Services heavily, you have pretty much everything with you, always.

Ditto. I love my Chromebook as well. Trolls feel threatened. I don't know why. You still need a traditional PC.

I see people complain all the time about 24h internet connection.....
Doesn't the Chomebooks need this to function at all?
If you have no internet, a Chtromebook is basically an expensive paperweight. This doesn't make any sense at all.

Dutchie64 said,
I see people complain all the time about 24h internet connection.....
Doesn't the Chomebooks need this to function at all?
If you have no internet, a Chtromebook is basically an expensive paperweight. This doesn't make any sense at all.

My Windows Laptop is a bigger paperweight than a Chromebook without an Internet connection. I can get my email for work, I can't get my up to date calendar, I can't work with ArcGIS .

In general, I would say you can do much more offline with a windows pc than a chromebook. Personally, I am able to get my work email and calendar just fine, so I'm not sure what blocks you from doing so.

Anyway, Chromebooks have a useful niche to fill. They are basically tablets in a pc-like for factor, which means they can be cheaper than most laptops and offer the simplicity of a tablet that many people want (as a consumption device). Anyone that just has basic needs like email and internet, they work fine. It also helps if you are completely tied to Google services. Like any OS today, your experience is better if your in their ecosystem of services. Win 8/WP is better with MS services, Macs and iOS is better with Apple services, and Android/Chromebook is better with Google services.

trooper11 said,
In general, I would say you can do much more offline with a windows pc than a chromebook. Personally, I am able to get my work email and calendar just fine, so I'm not sure what blocks you from doing so.

I work remotely. So my laptop needs an Internet connection. Tell me how do I access a license for my AutoDesk and ArcGIS product that is shared on a server. My laptop is a paperweight.

The Internet argument against the Chromebook has become the only argument against buying it when most people who use computer use it for the web. Yeah sounds very stupid so how are they getting the web in the first place? This argument baffles my mind.

You know what's wrong with a desktop machine? It needs power, so if you don't have power you are essentially having a box in your room taking up needles space. Don't buy desktop because it requires power.

People are attracted to price. They don't think about actual power. Apple do the right thing and "don't ship junk". Even the lowest end Mac has some serious grunt.

Stay well clear of those $300-$400 laptops (even if they have Windows 8) - you get what you pay for.

The several people I have recommended the Chromebook I always asked them what they will do with their computer. When all they are going to do is surf the web and email and Facebook, you would have to be a complete idiot to spend your money on Mac.

Stay clear of the little fruit on the back of a device if all you are going to do is web related stuff. You'll get something but you will definitely overpay for it.

DarkNet said,
The several people I have recommended the Chromebook I always asked them what they will do with their computer. When all they are going to do is surf the web and email and Facebook, you would have to be a complete idiot to spend your money on Mac.

Stay clear of the little fruit on the back of a device if all you are going to do is web related stuff. You'll get something but you will definitely overpay for it.

Then one day, a member of their family will go on a holiday, take movies with their phone, and want to make a DVD. How will their Atom cope with video conversion? (It will, but it will take several hours/a day instead of just half an hour.)

Then another member wants to play games (Battlefield 2). Okay, the laptop has a Nvidia sticker on it. So they install it, and guess what? It only runs at two frames a second, or not at all. "But it has Nvidia graphics?"

My Samsung Chromebook doesn't have an Nvidia sticker (http://www.samsung.com/uk/cons...rome-devices/XE303C12-A01UK) I think you are talking about the Chromebook Pixel which costs $1,300 which is aimed at developers. We are talking about Sub $300. Is there one with Nvidia graphics that is sub $300? Let me ask you another question, is there a Windows Netbook that has Nvidia graphics? What's the difference? Clearly sub $300 will not work for that.

recursive said,
seems they outnumber the microsoft employees buying Surface RT's to browse so.cl by a wide margin.

pretty sure the Surface RT is doing better than these chromebooks. I have plenty seen people with surfaces and surface pros, and those that don't have one actually want one. Chromebooks on the other hand, no one gives a sh*t.

FalseAgent said,

pretty sure the Surface RT is doing better than these chromebooks. I have plenty seen people with surfaces and surface pros, and those that don't have one actually want one. Chromebooks on the other hand, no one gives a sh*t.

I haven't seen one Surface out in the wild. I bought two to test at work, but that's all I've seen. Haven't seen any Chromebooks either, though.

"NPD: Chromebooks now claim 20-25 percent of sub-$300 market" Yeah but what percentage of laptop market is < $300? It's "tricky math"! Have yet to see one of these outside a store.

could also be a reason because i am not from america and american companies tend to imagine that they have the only market in the world. wonder how the finance situation for customers does look like in america

-adrian- said,
could also be a reason because i am not from america and american companies tend to imagine that they have the only market in the world. wonder how the finance situation for customers does look like in america

Nothing to do about Finance. It's about smart buying. I know a lot of College students with the Chromebook. It's great for the classroom.

Households that need a second computer for web surfing or for kids is another reason.

It's all about spending money wisely.

Wonder what your college students are doing for studying that a chromebook fills the requirements. Do they need it to browse the web while the tutor is jumping around in the front?
And why would i restrict myself in chrome os for a second computer at home when it is simply just used as a web browser. a lot of kids stuff you find in the internet is not browser based

College students use it take notes mostly. I am not a professor. I go to College part time and I am sitting at the other end watching them.

Kids based games? I am not buying a computer for a child to play games on.

so what do the kids need a pc for? you clearly dont know the power of educational games. and notes - wow.. they buy a notepad for 300$... great:)

-adrian- said,
so what do the kids need a pc for? you clearly dont know the power of educational games. and notes - wow.. they buy a notepad for 300$... great:)

You clearly don't know the power of a Chromebook for educational institutions. I know I know, everything has to be Microsoft or nothing. Got it.

Seeing a lot of them in education. When you can get Windows apps/desktops delivered through the HTML5 Citrix Receiver at those lower prices, why not. Also helps give every kid a laptop.

J.T.F said,
Seeing a lot of them in education. When you can get Windows apps/desktops delivered through the HTML5 Citrix Receiver at those lower prices, why not. Also helps give every kid a laptop.

Shh, don't tell the trolls. They don't know yet and if they did they'd still criticize you.

Makes sense. In my department of 7, we have 3 chromebooks. Of course, they're all running Ubuntu or windows 8

where else can you get an Intel based laptop for so cheap?

greenwizard88 said,
Makes sense. In my department of 7, we have 3 chromebooks. Of course, they're all running Ubuntu or windows 8

where else can you get an Intel based laptop for so cheap?

Why would you put Windows 8 bloat on lower-end hardware. Chrome and Ubuntu are great on it but Windows 7/8 is complete garbage on low-end processors.

DarkNet said,

Why would you put Windows 8 bloat on lower-end hardware. Chrome and Ubuntu are great on it but Windows 7/8 is complete garbage on low-end processors.


What are you talking about, Windows 8 runs good on atom hardware.
Of course its uncomparable with FX's or i7's. But its more than enough for basic tasks.

Shadowzz said,

What are you talking about, Windows 8 runs good on atom hardware.
Of course its uncomparable with FX's or i7's. But its more than enough for basic tasks.

Say that to my 1 year old dual core Atom processor. It's sitting at home collecting dust because it takes too long to boot just so I can surf the web or take notes. Chrome is so much better for quick tasks.

You know how some computers have an optional basic Linux OS that boots up in 5 seconds just so you can check mail and surf and Skype? Asus is notorious for putting that on their computers and it is useful. That what Chrome is. I see a lot of people like to hate on Chromebook here. Like they think it will replace Windows they feel so threatened. I am glad I am not closed minded. This community is horrible. But it is great for my morning chuckle.

Carry on.

Don't know what kind of garbage you have loading on that thing, but I have 1 laptop here with an Atom processor that I had to clean up for a customer, and it runs VERY well.

Haven't seen any Chrome books around here, but they are marketing them pretty good.

DarkNet said,

Say that to my 1 year old dual core Atom processor. It's sitting at home collecting dust because it takes too long to boot just so I can surf the web or take notes. Chrome is so much better for quick tasks.

Windows 8 on Atom/Clover Trail tablets will boot in 10 seconds or less. 8 starts up faster than my phone, and goes in and out of standby in roughly 1 second on these devices, just like a phone or Android tablet does. So you're talking ****. You've clearly never used Win 8 on Atom.

And face it, you're defending Chrome OS because you paid hundreds of $ for a web browser and deep down you're ashamed because you could have got a useful device and OS instead.

DarkNet said,

Say that to my 1 year old dual core Atom processor. It's sitting at home collecting dust because it takes too long to boot just so I can surf the web or take notes. Chrome is so much better for quick tasks.

You know how some computers have an optional basic Linux OS that boots up in 5 seconds just so you can check mail and surf and Skype? Asus is notorious for putting that on their computers and it is useful. That what Chrome is. I see a lot of people like to hate on Chromebook here. Like they think it will replace Windows they feel so threatened. I am glad I am not closed minded. This community is horrible. But it is great for my morning chuckle.

Carry on.

*cough*

It is too slow for your Atom based PC, yet Windows 8 is running on 1.5ghz dual core ARM devices? (You do realize the entire code base is running on these and the processor is significantly slower than even the older Atom processors?)

The quick book option of some BIOSes, like Express Gate are not a full OS installation and they are firing from FLASH, which is how and why they 'sometimes' boot faster.

You clearly don't know that I actually have a netbook. a Chromebook, an iPad, an iPhone, 2 android phones and a tablet. You clearely don't know (for the exception of the netbook [which I got for free from Verizon FiOS]) my job paid for all of it.

Clearly I am not defending it because of what you thought it was. I defend products because I like it.

Clearly you feel threatened by Chromebook (I really don't know why, it isn't a primary machine). Clearly you don't know that I have Windows 8 running of my Netbook since I refuse to put that garbage OS on my primary laptop and desktop machines. Clearly you don't get that I see a lot of lag launching a browser for taking notes.

What is very clear to me, is the Microsoft love this site has and feels threatened by any minor product that isn't a product of the giant security hole of a company that gives our information away to the government.

DarkNet said,
You clearly don't know that I actually have a netbook. a Chromebook, an iPad, an iPhone, 2 android phones and a tablet. You clearely don't know (for the exception of the netbook [which I got for free from Verizon FiOS]) my job paid for all of it.

Clearly I am not defending it because of what you thought it was. I defend products because I like it.

Clearly you feel threatened by Chromebook (I really don't know why, it isn't a primary machine). Clearly you don't know that I have Windows 8 running of my Netbook since I refuse to put that garbage OS on my primary laptop and desktop machines. Clearly you don't get that I see a lot of lag launching a browser for taking notes.

What is very clear to me, is the Microsoft love this site has and feels threatened by any minor product that isn't a product of the giant security hole of a company that gives our information away to the government.

I think you and I have gotten off on the wrong foot...

I didn't mean to 'assume' anything about your experiences. I did and do question your strong 'opinion' about Windows 8 performance on lower end devices.

You clearly do not like Windows 8, as you call it a 'garbage OS'.

The fact that you like Chromebook and dislike Windows 8 are something you shouldn't conflate, as they can be two different things.

I personally am 'meh' about Chromebook, but know it works for a lot of people, and that is great for them. I am not threatened by Chromebook, as something like it will always exist, even if Google's particular product fails. Thin clients are nothing new.

I have my own issues with Windows 8 as well, although they are often very different from the common arguments you find from user forum type comments.


My 'feelings' doesn't change the fact that Windows 8 does perform well on low end devices. Additionally how well Chromebook works or doesn't work, doesn't change how well Windows 8 performs either.

Windows RT is as fast or faster than Android and iOS on the same hardware, yet it is not a modified or mobile OS technology, it is the same full codebase that is running on Desktops and Servers.
(A surprising small amount of compile time code adjustments, the ARM HAL, and a few registry settings are the only difference between Windows RT and Windows 2012 Server.)

Windows 8 does better on low end x86 hardware than Windows 7, and often even XP even when faced with low RAM environments. Considering the additional 'overhead' that Windows 8 features cost, this is a rather impressive progression for an OS.

If this was a contrast of OS features and functionality between Chromebook and Windows 8, I am pretty sure you would agree that Chromebook is a lighter OS with far less hardware options and fewer software frameworks. This doesn't mean that a Chromebook can't be just as effective for a lot of users.

In this comparison, even if you hate Windows 8, getting a full desktop/server class OS running on low end hardware should be slightly impressive. Apple tried to get OS X on the original iPad, and even Intel and others have tried to get a full Linux installation on lower end devices with less success than what Microsoft pulled off with the Windows NT architecture.


This site does have some "Microsoft Love", and it should, considering that Neowin was started as a resource for Windows users, hence the name.


As for the argument about Microsoft giving out information to the government, you are not correct here. Microsoft cannot access 'stored' user data on their own servers, as it machine queue access and even with a warrant, the user's GUID has to be machine queued and sent to the holder of the warrant to access the data, as it is the final primary security key.

NSA access to 'live' communications and monitoring 'uploads' to SkyDrive by spying on internet communication is very different than having direct access to data.

If security does truly bother you, then you should be very conscious about using any Google service, as their data is NOT securely stored, and is completely human readable.

This means that an employee of Google (as they freely admit) can at any time query the full chain of information on a user and fully access all their stored data without the additional layer of security Microsoft has in place.

A Microsoft employee cannot see user data, at most they can 'queue' a user account reset, which goes back to the user or machine 'queue' an account's removal.

**This last part regarding security is something I have direct experience with having worked with both Microsoft's MSN and Hotmail datacenters and also having worked with Google's datacenters.

Even as a 'consultant', I could have pulled up all your information at Google. In contrast, at Microsoft, getting just a MS Account (then Passport) changed or deleted took 30-90 days, as it was not something employees have direct access.

PS
I didn't intend on calling you out, and after rereading the clumsy nature of my post to you, I do apologize.)

Mobius Enigma said,
You clearly do not like Windows 8, as you call it a 'garbage OS'.
Somebody earlier asked what garbage I have on my Netbook. Hence why I called it "garbage". Responding to the question that is all.

Mobius Enigma said,
The fact that you like Chromebook and dislike Windows 8 are something you shouldn't conflate, as they can be two different things.
Very true I hate Windows 8. But I don't hate Windows. There are side things I enjoy doing that I can't do on a Chromebook, like advanced image editing and developing for Android. Yes I do hate Windows 8 but my two primary machines are a Windows 7 Laptop and Desktop.

Mobius Enigma said,
I have my own issues with Windows 8 as well, although they are often very different from the common arguments you find from user forum type comments.
When I say I hate Windows 8, I am talking about for my two primary machines. I think something like the Surface is a great idea however, it lacks certain specifications that I must have like GPS. Which is why I can't convince myself and my company to justify purchase. This is a niche thing and is based on my personal needs.

Mobius Enigma said,
Windows RT is as fast or faster than Android and iOS on the same hardware, yet it is not a modified or mobile OS technology, it is the same full codebase that is running on Desktops and Servers.
Microsoft's first mistake was not developing specifically for mobile. The one thing Apple got right.

Mobius Enigma said,
Windows 8 does better on low end x86 hardware than Windows 7, and often even XP even when faced with low RAM environments. Considering the additional 'overhead' that Windows 8 features cost, this is a rather impressive progression for an OS.
In the end you are paying for the license and the hardware. You can't do much with low-end hardware. Chrome is much more optimized for a netbook than a Windows Netbook. Let's face it Netbooks are not primary computers. Neither is a Chromebook.

Mobius Enigma said,
This site does have some "Microsoft Love", and it should, considering that Neowin was started as a resource for Windows users, hence the name.
This is a poor excuse. The site reports on other technology not involving Microsoft. People have to stop being so in love with one company and bashing all others. It is childish and pathetic.

Mobius Enigma said,
As for the argument about Microsoft giving out information to the government, you are not correct here. Microsoft cannot access 'stored' user data on their own servers, as it machine queue access and even with a warrant, the user's GUID has to be machine queued and sent to the holder of the warrant to access the data, as it is the final primary security key.
It was a tongue and cheek comment. But Microsoft (just like any other company) will give data up. This whole thing as Google is evil and Microsoft isn't is extremely stupid.

Mobius Enigma said,
This means that an employee of Google (as they freely admit) can at any time query the full chain of information on a user and fully access all their stored data without the additional layer of security Microsoft has in place.
Actually Google's servers are encrypted. Just like Microsoft and Apple. But anyone at the back-end can decrypt that. That's why they have government court orders to get that information. You misinterpreted that statement by Erick Schmidt, yes he can but he won't just like Balmer can but he won't. You seem to forget that Microsoft has removed nudity pictures and videos from users SkyDrive. How did they determine their was nudity? It's the same way Google scan emails to target ads at you, they scan it using algorithms. There was no human doing that.


Mobius Enigma said,
I didn't intend on calling you out, and after rereading the clumsy nature of my post to you, I do apologize.)
As do I. Conversations can get heated because we strongly believe in what we know.

lol, analysts being analysts.

Anyway, they are welcome to enter the market. There's enough room for several hardware types. You will never see me with one of course, but I wouldn't begrudge others the choice of having one.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, actually! Look at how little number of laptops are actually under $300 bucks. Like it's probably 3% out of the entire laptop market. Then take 20% of that, and that's how many chromebooks there are. In other words, it's practically non-existent.

ZipZapRap said,
lol, analysts being analysts.

Funny had the headline read "NPD: Windows 8 now second most used OS"

Your response would probably have been "Go Microsoft". That why I LOL'd at your statement.

kidjenius said,
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, actually! Look at how little number of laptops are actually under $300 bucks. Like it's probably 3% out of the entire laptop market. Then take 20% of that, and that's how many chromebooks there are. In other words, it's practically non-existent.

"sales of Chromebooks in general now make up five percent of the total PC market in the US."

I bet it's mostly schools. A lot of schools in our state are buying them.

Rob Waldhauser said,
Yeah okay, bull sh**!

Google have to admit chromebook is a total failure. Google plus makes more sense than chromebook. I don't know who uses chromebook and I don't want to know because the browser as OS just doesn't make sense.

S3P€hR said,

Google have to admit chromebook is a total failure. Google plus makes more sense than chromebook. I don't know who uses chromebook and I don't want to know because the browser as OS just doesn't make sense.

Look at it as a business owner, let's say you have a shipping business with 100 employees, the total cost of having a Windows machine is high, it includes office, anti-virus, maintenance, formatting, crashes, you name it, Windows have it, it includes a lot of infrastructure work that normal people can't do.

All this work results in large cost $$$$$$

If all your internal apps are html, then why should you spend all this cash when a 100 ChromeBook can do the job for a very small fraction of the price?

It may not make sense for many people to use a ChromeBook, but for schools and many businesses, it does.

john.smith_2084 said,

It may not make sense for many people to use a ChromeBook, but for schools and many businesses, it does.

You kidding? What you are saying won't make any sense to this community. Bunch of closed-minded kids. Obviously they only think about themselves and have no vission to ever run a business. Don't get me wrong. I love companies who don't know anything. I got most of my tech paid for by my company because clearly they can afford it and I can swing things to be in a way where it is needed for the latest projects I am working on.

I tried to do it with a Surface. But the ugly device had no GPS so I couldn't justify it for my line of work.