OEM versions of Vista Ultimate available for pre-order

NEOWIN member hardgiant spotted over at overclockers.co.uk that Windows Vista Ultimate 32/64 OEM discs have been added at just £114.99, which when converted to USD comes to $262.750 plus tax. The full retail version costs £352.49 a whopping $685.235 after tax.

They also advertise Windows XP with SP2 OEM at £93.99 after tax. The website is accepting pre-orders and will most likely ship on or after January 30th, the official launch date for Windows Vista for OEM's.

The only catch to this very lucrative offer is that you have to buy hardware along with the order, I know some vendors that accept either keyboards, mice or a USB storage key as a 'hardware' order. I was unable to find the terms of purchase for the Overclockers website regarding OEM discs. The requirement is usually as stated above.

If you were looking to get Windows Vista Ultimate but were scared off by the initial pricing, this might be a good deal for you.

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I've just ordered Vista Ultimate 32-bit OEM from overclockers.co.uk. I didnt order anything with it so it'll be interesting to see if it gets shipped out ok.

Also, I noted it says the ETA for the OEM product is 12/01/07, as opposed to 26/01/07 for the full product?

Do you think I'll get my copy early?

And after I ordered it, I read the posts above about the OEM licence only working the once. Does this mean that if I buy another laptop at some point in the next 2/3 years, I will have just shot myself in the head as far as Vista is concerned? If someone can clarify whether I'll ever be able to reuse the £143 I just spent it would be really helpful! Is there any way round it, like Odom mentioned?

By the way, I DO need Ultimate for Remote Desktop! And the other bits will come in handy too.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to suggest a system to get around it. We all know that the first times you install XP on a PC, you could activate it over the internet. After changing 4 hardware parts, this no longer worked (not sure if this is the only reason, but was with me and some friends).
You had to call them up, say you need to re-activate because you changed out 4 parts, read the Serial or whatever and they'd give you a new key. Now nothing prevents you to install this on an entirely different PC, call them up and say the same.

Of course, legally you'd have to buy one license for each PC you want to install Windows on. Doesn't matter if it's Vista, XP, Ultimate or whatever.

I'm not sure how OEM licenses are supposed to work. If I built a PC from OCs and get Vista OEM for it, is it no longer valid if I later decide to swap out the HDD for a bigger one and have to reinstall the system? There can be a million reasons for having to re-install it using different parts (failures, crashes, etc...). Can I remove Vista from that PC, and use it for another? Or is OEM bound to that sole PC? How many upgrades/replacements are allowed, before it's considered a new PC? I just dunno.

If I built a PC from OCs and get Vista OEM for it, is it no longer valid if I later decide to swap out the HDD for a bigger one and have to reinstall the system? There can be a million reasons for having to re-install it using different parts (failures, crashes, etc...).
HDD does not count as far as I know.

Can I remove Vista from that PC, and use it for another? Or is OEM bound to that sole PC?

OEM is bound to that PC.

How many upgrades/replacements are allowed, before it's considered a new PC?

For XP I think you cannot chande more than 1 or 2 pieces at one time.
For Vista I heard that you cannot change motherboard+another device at the same time. Or maybe you cannot change MB at all.

no the oem licence lives and dies with the PC you 1st install it on.

that is one of the rules with MS OS's that are sold as OEM versions.

you could take it to another pc and try to activate it but this would be in breach of your licence agreement.

Though it is in breach of contract, I know XP OEM was possible to install on multiple machines and activate, though not over the internet. Just call them up and say you had to re-install due to HDD change, system crash or something.

If I was to purchase an OEM, I cant then transfer it to a new PC if and when I rebuild my system can I? (providing i take it off the old one)

For rIaHc3:

What do you mean, "by your grammar"??!! You think just because I have used some slang, and short forms of words, I dont know English??!!!

And incidentally, Vista Business is not right for me, as I dont HAVE a business, I just happen to be a home user who uses those features. And since I'm a home user, I also need media center, dvd maker, etc, which are there in the ultimate edition, not in the business edition.

as pjak has said the retail has the 32 + 64bit versions which would make sense that its dbl the price. the ones OC are offering is either the 32 OR 64bit version. Not sure on what theyd class as hardware to purchase it but id prolly buy a bigger HD at the same time anyway so shouldnt affect me.

Only question is whether to go for the 32 bit one or the 64bit one.

Which one would you lot choose as ive been using 64bit xp for like 1 year but tis annoying when some stuff dunna work with it that good

I also got the overclocker's newsletter and noticed that the retail comes with 32 and 64 installs, but the OEM is just one. This must be why the retail is about double the price. ;)

might get ultimate retail if I can install the 32-bit on my old pc and 64-bit on my new pc. that would be sweet !

rIaHc3 said,
And you need Ultimate because??

Because all the cool kids want it? Because saying "Ultimate" is the new hotness? Bling bling factor?

rIaHc3 said,
And you need Ultimate because??

Shadow copy client, remote desktop, single session virtual pc. and im not listing the differences between the 2 editions, these r features i actually need, which r there in the ultimate edition. And anyways, its none of your business what i buy, its not like ur paying for it.

It is kind of lame that the only way to get Remote Desktop and Media Center functionality in one version of Vista is to go with Ultimate. Remote Desktop should have been a feature of Home Premium, IMHO, since it was present in XP Media Center Edtion.

roadwarrior said,
It is kind of lame that the only way to get Remote Desktop and Media Center functionality in one version of Vista is to go with Ultimate. Remote Desktop should have been a feature of Home Premium, IMHO, since it was present in XP Media Center Edtion.

U got that right. and also, its kind of unfair that windows ultimate extras is only available to people who have the ultimate edition. they should have at least offered it for other editions for a price, if not free.

roadwarrior said,
It is kind of lame that the only way to get Remote Desktop and Media Center functionality in one version of Vista is to go with Ultimate. Remote Desktop should have been a feature of Home Premium, IMHO, since it was present in XP Media Center Edtion.

i agree. i use most of hte features that are only found in Ultimate too. im sticking with WinXP Pro... atleast for now, until i get a really good reason to spend alot of money on Vista.

guardian_uk said,

Shadow copy client, remote desktop, single session virtual pc. and im not listing the differences between the 2 editions, these r features i actually need, which r there in the ultimate edition. And anyways, its none of your business what i buy, its not like ur paying for it.


By your grammer, I honestly doubt you will use any of these features but rather have them just to say you have "Ultimate".

Besides, if you really are going to use these features, Windows Vista Business would be for you and you would have saved 100.00/59.05 dollars but you can't have the "cool" factor you get with Ultimate unlike Business


But it's your money; Do whatever the **** you want.

roadwarrior said,
It is kind of lame that the only way to get Remote Desktop and Media Center functionality in one version of Vista is to go with Ultimate. Remote Desktop should have been a feature of Home Premium, IMHO, since it was present in XP Media Center Edtion.

Agreed! Only reason I'll have to go with Ultimate is because Home Premium doesn't have Remote Desktop service.

rIaHc3 said,

By your grammer, I honestly doubt you will use any of these features but rather have them just to say you have "Ultimate".

Besides, if you really are going to use these features, Windows Vista Business would be for you and you would have saved 100.00/59.05 dollars but you can't have the "cool" factor you get with Ultimate unlike Business


But it's your money; Do whatever the **** you want.


The swearing and criticizing of his grammar was really unnecessary, it really isn't your business (not my business either, but I'm not focusing on him, I'm focusing on you), he just feels the Ultimate is best for him, which is not taboo at all

[/quote]By your grammer, I honestly doubt you will use any of these features but rather have them just to say you have "Ultimate".[/quote]

What do you mean, "by your grammar"??!! You think just because I have used some slang, and short forms of words, I dont know English??!!!

And incidentally, Vista Business is not right for me, as I dont HAVE a business, I just happen to be a home user who uses those features. And since I'm a home user, I also need media center, dvd maker, etc, which are there in the ultimate edition, not in the business edition.

What do you mean, "by your grammar"??!! You think just because I have used some slang, and short forms of words, I dont know English??!!!

And incidentally, Vista Business is not right for me, as I dont HAVE a business, I just happen to be a home user who uses those features. And since I'm a home user, I also need media center, dvd maker, etc, which are there in the ultimate edition, not in the business edition.


But that's the "in thing" here at Neowin. Bashing people at every turn.

Have vista ultimate RTM from the beta program, installed it a few times to tinker since the beta... still not ready for full time use, not because of MS but because of 3rd party driver support... still waiting for my audigy sound drivers to RTM....... *twiddles thumbs*

"If you were looking to get Windows Vista Ultimate but were scared off by the initial pricing, this might be a good deal for you."

The only problem with the pricing is that it is per computer. I have five computers in my house and I'm NOT buying a copy for EACH machine. Besides, I already own a copy of WindowBlinds and I can use THAT on more than one machine.

Pricing aside, Vista is not a great upgrade and the last beta I saw was way too buggy to even bother with. I'm not excited about it and it really doesn't look like a whole lot of other people are either. The view from the Vista is a big yawn.

ogman said,
"If you were looking to get Windows Vista Ultimate but were scared off by the initial pricing, this might be a good deal for you."

The only problem with the pricing is that it is per computer. I have five computers in my house and I'm NOT buying a copy for EACH machine. Besides, I already own a copy of WindowBlinds and I can use THAT on more than one machine.

Pricing aside, Vista is not a great upgrade and the last beta I saw was way too buggy to even bother with. I'm not excited about it and it really doesn't look like a whole lot of other people are either. The view from the Vista is a big yawn.

Here we go again... What the heck do Windowblinds and buggy betas have to do with OEM pricing?! Your response is a big yawn...

Perhaps you don't comprehend the terms of Windows' License Agreement. The agreement does not say that if you disagree with its terms you should be a pirate and install it to your heart's content. It does say that if you don't accept the terms to return it for a refund without installing it.

Next time you attempt to install Windows, know what terms you are agreeing to before you proceed.

In addition, what does WindowsBlinds have to do with anything?

Neobond said,
Even XP is per computer mate.

In my case, that is not true, and NO my XP install is NOT pirated. I bought it from my school bookstore when Microsoft still had a generous academic program. It has no activation requirement and can therefore be installed on as many machines as I need.

As for Vista, I'm simply not willing to pay between $1000 and $2000 for OS's on my computers, especially an OS that doesn't appear to me to be worth the money to put it on ONE machine. If it were available under a 3 or 5 seat license, then the cost/benefit might change.

C_Guy said,
Perhaps you don't comprehend the terms of Windows' License Agreement. The agreement does not say that if you disagree with its terms you should be a pirate and install it to your heart's content. It does say that if you don't accept the terms to return it for a refund without installing it.

Next time you attempt to install Windows, know what terms you are agreeing to before you proceed.

In addition, what does WindowsBlinds have to do with anything?

Sorry to have confused you into thinking I was pirating XP. As I explained in another reply, I am not.

I see Vista as mostly eye-candy, and eye-candy that I can acquire by simply installing WindowBlinds. I'm sure you see greater benefit, presumably enough to pay for Vista and pay for it per machine. We disagree.

I'm sure you see greater benefit, presumably enough to pay for Vista and pay for it per machine. We disagree.

When many people see and one cannot, he's called blind.
That's life.

Thats a very good price for an OEM version of vista ulitmate.
if you are looking to buy vista and have the knowhow to build a pc then this is the best way to go about it.

I didnt have to buy any hardware with my pre SP1 Win XP pro disk. so i might get lucky this time too.

neufuse said,
all you have to buy legally hardware wise is a cable... like an SATA cable... a whole $3 spend there :P

Is there some official explanation anywhere on MS's site regarding OEM, which you can point to, where one can read a rule (or whatever it may be called), on when can one purchase OEM MS software? Thanks!

shtraue said,

Is there some official explanation anywhere on MS's site regarding OEM, which you can point to, where one can read a rule (or whatever it may be called), on when can one purchase OEM MS software? Thanks!

From memory its supposed to be a major component purchase - such as a motherboard. I think ebuyer or aria.co.uk have a specific list for OEM purchases - but its up to the retailer to enforce this. I know of plenty of people who've just bought the OEM CD on its own, nothing else at all

lwebster_2000 said,
From memory its supposed to be a major component purchase - such as a motherboard. I think ebuyer or aria.co.uk have a specific list for OEM purchases - but its up to the retailer to enforce this. I know of plenty of people who've just bought the OEM CD on its own, nothing else at all

The majority of the places offer OEM software as long as you purchase a qualifying non-hardware peripheral. That would equal a sound cable, SATA cable, ect.

HawkMan said,
The US doesn't have 25% VAT

There also is no importa tarrifs (not sure if the UK has them or not) but still saying its $600+ USD makes it sound like its that much in the USA... which it is not

A lot of people are planning to build a Vista-PC anyway, so OEMs are a great deal. Believe it or not, Microsoft would rather you buy OEM and spend the rest on an upgrade... it keeps their partners happy and makes sure you get the most out of you purchase.

Those prices are awful. Amazon.com has Vista Ultimate upgrade, non OEM, priced at $249.99 and full, non OEM, priced at $379.99. Oh, and they are both available right now for pre-order as well. So can someone please explain to me why I would buy OEM for more money and have to buy hardware along with it just to buy it?

Because with an upgrade version you have to have XP installed and you then upgrade over it. With a full OEM you can install from a clean drive with no previous OS installed. It's like getting the full retail package without the fancy case and booklet. I prefer OEM over upgrades especially since you can't do a clean install from an upgrade disc anymore.

RangerLG said,
Because with an upgrade version you have to have XP installed and you then upgrade over it. With a full OEM you can install from a clean drive with no previous OS installed. It's like getting the full retail package without the fancy case and booklet. I prefer OEM over upgrades especially since you can't do a clean install from an upgrade disc anymore.

Has it been verified that you can't do a clean install with an upgrade disk ?

You've always been able do a clean install with an Upgrade version of Windows. It just merely asks you for a Windows CD during installation. It made sense back before the days of massive downloading and filesharing when the only reliable way to get a Windows CD was to actually buy it.

dagamer34 said,
You've always been able do a clean install with an Upgrade version of Windows. It just merely asks you for a Windows CD during installation. It made sense back before the days of massive downloading and filesharing when the only reliable way to get a Windows CD was to actually buy it.

Is that still the case with activation around now? What's to say my XP Pro cd has run out of activations?

RangerLG said,
Because with an upgrade version you have to have XP installed and you then upgrade over it. With a full OEM you can install from a clean drive with no previous OS installed. It's like getting the full retail package without the fancy case and booklet. I prefer OEM over upgrades especially since you can't do a clean install from an upgrade disc anymore.

You must have Xp installed but you don'e need to install over it. You can do a clean install and to me it's the best choice if you already have XP.