Only 244 copies of Genuine Windows Vista sold in China

Microsoft spent millions of dollars advertising its next generation OS 'Windows Vista' in China, in fact the IT juggernaut threw up the biggest Vista Ad on the 421 meter high Jin Mao tower in Shanghai China. However after 2 weeks (Jan 19 to Feb 2) from launch Microsoft managed to sell a mere 244 copies of Windows Vista.

Software piracy is rampant in the middle kingdom and a pirated version of Vista sells for a mere $1 on the streets. The following numbers are quoted by Windows Vista chief distributor in Bejing.

News source: NewLaucnes from Japanese source
Link: Forum Discussion (Thanks ThePitt)


^ One of the many pirated Windows Vista editions offered on the street.

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All software developers and IT stuff I know recommends to wait for SP1. They are spreading this opinion to all non IT masses. And this behaviour has very big influence on Vista sales because software developers are big authority to non IT people. Microsoft must focus on IT personnel first, because these are people who actually promote and sell their software. If all developers have had Vista on their machines then they all would instantly start to push Vista to the rest of the world.

One workaround to do it is to offer two free copies of Vista Ultimate for each person who has words "driver developer" in their job title (one for work and one for home), and same (or with reduced price) to all who has words "software developer" in their job title. This could buy Microsoft the biggest selling force.

I don't see how everybody thinks this is funny - it's absolutely appalling.

Common-place piracy on this scale will not be good for Microsoft, but this could never happen in Europe or the US due to all the counter-piracy measures we have in place. Do companies in China running non-genuine software get shut down? They should do; it is fraud after all...

That said, the real people who will lose out here are the small-scale "bedroom" programmers, not global corporations like Microsoft. If a huge country like China pirates 99% of software, all the small companies will go down the pan, leaving only the massive companies like Microsoft and Apple left.

And yes, open-source software has a very important place in all of this, but it hardly makes a good long-term business model.

So you like to buy stuff cheap because it was made in chinese sweatshops for which they get payed 1$ a year, but then you comment on the piracy there.

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1. The goverment does not give a damn about illegal software
2. Its difficult to find legal software in China, because everything is pirated
3. Please keep in mind that China is a developing country and they are also 1 billion years behind GB and the US
4. China is a poor country, people cannot afford legal software, 1 copy of Genuine Vista = annual income of a average citizen yes that's how poor they are

If I lived in China and my government laws didn't enforce anti-piracy, I wouldn't buy it full-price either when everyone on the street is selling it for $1.

I really think everybody who says it's crap, ect. without even trying it should really just give it a try, even if it is pirated (at first). Pirte it, try it out, if you like it, buy it. Personally, I had problems at first, but they quickly remedied every issue I had (same with my friends). I rarely use windows, but all my games and programs work in it (always have) and now all my hardware works.

I don't think anyone who has used Vista thinks it's crap. I certainly don't.

Vista is just Windows XP with what appears to be a lot of polishes, tweaks, and minor updates.

For example, standby clearly works now. I'm not sure that's something to pay $400 for. After all, it was SUPPOSED to work under XP...and NEVER did. So a lot of great bug fixes, etc. but Vista is mostly filled with stuff that finally works the way Microsoft marketing told us it did...when we all paid for it five years ago, ahem. :)

And since all the good stuff under the hood is either relatively invisible to the average end user, or was pulled out of Vista over the past two years, I just think most people believe Vista is ridiculously overpriced for what is, after all, a consumer OS.

excalpius said,
I don't think anyone who has used Vista thinks it's crap. I certainly don't.

Vista is just Windows XP with what appears to be a lot of polishes, tweaks, and minor updates.

For example, standby clearly works now. I'm not sure that's something to pay $400 for. After all, it was SUPPOSED to work under XP...and NEVER did. So a lot of great bug fixes, etc. but Vista is mostly filled with stuff that finally works the way Microsoft marketing told us it did...when we all paid for it five years ago, ahem. :)

And since all the good stuff under the hood is either relatively invisible to the average end user, or was pulled out of Vista over the past two years, I just think most people believe Vista is ridiculously overpriced for what is, after all, a consumer OS.


Right. XP works as fast, great and has as much features. Sure. Believe what you want.

However after 2 weeks (Jan 19 to Feb 2) from launch Microsoft managed to sell a mere 244 copies of Windows Vista.
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Vista was not even officially launched around that time

Because it confuses the copyright lawyers! Disney and Microsoft have to spend months arguing over who gets to sue first. In the mean time, the pirates slip away under the cover of chaos.

windows is overpriced as it is... who cares if people pirate it.. i mean really who is going to pay 100-200+ dollars for "software" when it's soooo easy to get for free? i think it's pretty safe to assume that "most people" will take the free copy.

it really dont matter anyways cause microsoft will contiune to have a monopoly on the pc market and they probably make most of there money through OEM crap anyways.

bottom line = microsoft is more than rich regardless of piracy so it aint like they need this money anyways.... cause of there enployee's aint getting hurt (which im sure there not) then all it's effecting is the high up people which are already more than rich so it aint like they "need" the money lost to piracy anyways.

i used to live in Thailand untill 2 years ago, I remember having to buy Windows xp gold boot leg cuz you couldn't get a legal copy of XP for love or money, I'm pleased to say now I own all my own software and a technet as well.... I do know that XP is far to expensive in Asia,......

Maybe less pirated copies would be sold if they didn't originally spend the "millions on advertising". I guess in the end they are just promoting the pirated copy.

While I know piracy is incredible there, I can' t believe that only 244 versions were sold. I mean, come on, there are billions of people there...and only 244 have the decency to pay up?? There are a lot of poor people there, but there are also a lot of rich ass people too..

It could also mean they don't want to switch to vista. There are lots of compatibility issues with programs and hardwares (ex: Nvidia drivers, games, etc.).

But WHY would they pay?? Just to, maybe, have some problems activating it?
When everyone else does (pirate it), you will be the joke paying for something that's "free".

I just can't belive this is true, so microsoft sold any OEM software in China? So Lenovo and many others never, ever sold any Microsoft Vista OS?

I am from pakistan and i can buy vista ultimate for $1 also from any computer shop in town. But vista is sooo bad that i haven't switched from my beloved windows xp yet.

i would probably agree to... to much problems with vista where as everything works on windows xp... i dont think ill switch from xp to vista anytime soon either... im waiting for SP1 minimum before i consider the switch.

cause i got a copy of it but i aint installed it yet.. im giving it time to mature with drivers/software compatibility etc etc before i switch.

besides i was talking to someone about that aero thing... and from what i could tell from him it's basically just something to "play with that looks cool" more than getting any real beneficial use out of it.

Microsoft charges WAY too much for Vista in the US, so you can only imagine how many Salary Years in China it would take to buy what amounts to a minor polish to XP (as far as end users are concerned). While $1 is too little, I don't blame them for not buying this.

Vista (aka XP+):

Too segmented
Too expensive
Too late
Too bad

And you'll note the only version the Chinese are buying is the only proper version of Vista...Ultimate. Everything else is just MBA 101 artificial market segmentation crippleware - and everyone knows it.

excalpius said,
Microsoft charges WAY too much for Vista in the US, so you can only imagine how many Salary Years in China it would take to buy what amounts to a minor polish to XP (as far as end users are concerned). While $1 is too little, I don't blame them for not buying this.

Vista (aka XP+):

Too segmented
Too expensive
Too late
Too bad

And you'll note the only version the Chinese are buying is the only proper version of Vista...Ultimate. Everything else is just MBA 101 artificial market segmentation crippleware - and everyone knows it.


Have you even tried Vista you damn troll? Vista is not a "minor polish" and the rest of the versions are not "crippleware". Study your facts before you post bull****.

Troll-kin,

I'm a beta tester for Microsoft and I'm running four machines on Vista, including the 17" Macbook Pro I'm testing Vista on right now while posting this...so the answer to your confrontational, flame-bait post of ignorance would be

YES. :)

And I stand by my position that the ONLY version of Vista that MS should have released is the one that contains ALL of the features they are advertising, ULTIMATE. Anything less is crippleware of one kind or another, re: removing features in order to artificially lower the price of entry, with the not so subtle intention of using advertisting and nags of one kind or another to get the user to pay to update to the full version (re: Ultimate).

And if you read my post again, you'll see that my "minor polish" comment SPECIFICALLY states "as far as end users are concerned".

So while WE know there are a lot of changes under the hood of Vista, when an END USER looks at the two side by side on a store shelf (or just plain uses Vista), they find a lot of little improvements everywhere...much more like an OS X user when they upgrade a few point releases at once.

If you want to get all defensive and pretend none of this is true, go for it. But I for one am telling you exactly WHY Vista sales are weak and why end users are yawning about Vista.

It's up to you whether you decide to think about this or just troll-react.

excalpius said,
Microsoft charges WAY too much for Vista in the US

My nose bleeds in sympathy. Try this side of the pond where they're pulling the usual dollar equivalence ********; seeing as the dollar is in the toilet that makes it about double what USians pay. THAT is charging too much.

mrbester said,
...makes it about double what USians pay.

USians.

I like that! Has a sort of Orwellian ring to it! Though USers might be a little more accurate.

excalpius said,
Troll-kin,

I'm a beta tester for Microsoft and I'm running four machines on Vista, including the 17" Macbook Pro I'm testing Vista on right now while posting this...so the answer to your confrontational, flame-bait post of ignorance would be

YES. :)

And I stand by my position that the ONLY version of Vista that MS should have released is the one that contains ALL of the features they are advertising, ULTIMATE. Anything less is crippleware of one kind or another, re: removing features in order to artificially lower the price of entry, with the not so subtle intention of using advertisting and nags of one kind or another to get the user to pay to update to the full version (re: Ultimate).

And if you read my post again, you'll see that my "minor polish" comment SPECIFICALLY states "as far as end users are concerned".

So while WE know there are a lot of changes under the hood of Vista, when an END USER looks at the two side by side on a store shelf (or just plain uses Vista), they find a lot of little improvements everywhere...much more like an OS X user when they upgrade a few point releases at once.

If you want to get all defensive and pretend none of this is true, go for it. But I for one am telling you exactly WHY Vista sales are weak and why end users are yawning about Vista.

It's up to you whether you decide to think about this or just troll-react.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista...ons_and_pricing

Read and educate yourself before typing crap.

Ultimate is needed by a 2% of the Windows users population. Everyone's life can work just fine without BitLocker and Everyone's life can game just fine without Texas Hold'Em

And Vista sales are weak? Where the hell did you read that? They are doing better than XP's sales at this time.

I dont know if you are a fanboy, a cokehead or what but you are only lying to yourself not others and certainly not the numbers.

Actually you can make a strong argument that this will lower prices, as microsoft now have to compete with a virtually identical product that is selling for $1, they have tried to stop this with all the activation features etc. but it just never works, the pirates find a way.

Also, pirating increases microsofts user base, greatly increasing their market power, which they won't complain about.

That said, I would never support selling pirate copies of software.

244 chinese pirates had to purchase the copies in order to mass produce the millions needed for the street vendors.

jwjw1 said,
244 chinese pirates had to purchase the copies in order to mass produce the millions needed for the street vendors.

exactly! I'm surprised they actually sold 244 copies!

They do need to lower prices tho... I mean, if it was 50 bucks, i'd buy it right now, and I don't even want it... at $150-200 i'm certainly not going to buy it until a service pack or two is released, and maybe not even then...

I love that picture....


you know, if Microsoft were to lower the price of Vista to $1, then, instead of pirates collecting that $1 a copy, it would be Microsoft! Selling an OS for a buck would also be a great selling feature, and just about everyone on the planet with a capable computer would buy it!

XP for a buck would sell really well and would displace lots of pirate copies. While Vista Ultimate the unlimited users unrestricted always activated without KMS edition would sell for a buck and the Chinese are proof that it is selling well, the copies would sit unopened for future use and Vista wouldn't get substantially more uptake than it has already. I ran Vista for an hour and it showed too many problems before I had a chance to get any software installed. The restore disks were made, it was zapped, and replaced with XP. Unless Microsoft stops this DRM run-a-way train I don't think Vista will be fixed before it gets replaced with the "Next Big Thing". Can you believe that the 2 year expected lifespan Vista is 10% the way to EOL and it doesn't even work yet? I don't see how it's not obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells that Vista is the one to skip--not that the next one will be any better.

We know that no more than 244 legal versions have been installed in China. How many pirate versions have been installed or are the pirates just buying them because they might be usable in the future? Choosy pirates chose XP.

severach said,
We know that no more than 244 legal versions have been installed in China. How many pirate versions have been installed or are the pirates just buying them because they might be usable in the future? Choosy pirates chose XP.

Well we can probably guess that 243 legal version have been authenticated once and 1 has been authenticated 2 Billion times. Again, proof that Microsoft's anti-consumer "anti-piracy" measures do nothing except annoy, inconvenience, and down-right screw the legitimate consumer.

markjensen said,
I like the random images of Christmas and Mickey Mouse added to the package. Makes it seem more legit, right? :P

na, just promising the usual engrish promise of 'many happinesses' for those customers who purchase it.

It may seem funny, so long as it's not your money - right? I feel that China does need to crack down on Piracy... but I agree that Microsoft needs to lower it's prices.