Opera 10 released

Ah, September 1. Not a particularly eventful day... aside from a few obscure public holidays (it's Knowledge Day in Russia!) and other events of the sort, it's hard to say that there's much going on (well, there might be something else happening). However, for the technology world, there's a milestone of sorts that's been hit: Opera 10 has been released.

Yeap, that's right. True to its word, Opera has gone ahead and made the public, final version of its latest release available worldwide, bringing some slick new changes which are bound to make some folk rather happy. It took a surprisingly short time for Opera to bring their browser from Release Candidate to the release version... the RC was out on August 25, and of course, it's only September now, so the pre-release version had been out on the market for less than a week. Here are some of the improvements found, which were in the Release Candidate version (but of course are in the final, too):

- Revamped user interface
- Boosted speed from the new Opera Presto 2.2 engine, giving it a 40% increase from the previous version when running web applications (such as Gmail)
- Opera Mail has seen various improvements
- Opera Turbo, designed to increase browsing speed for those on slower Internet connections
- An inline spell checker, to help catch mistakes when typing in entry forms
- Thumbnail tabs which are resizable
- Speed Dial has been given personalization features

If you're eager to get this up and running, head over to the download page on Opera's website, and your operating system will be automatically detected to give you the appropriate version. Be sure to let us know how it goes, although, if you've already had the RC2 version installed, there has only been a couple changes made for the final.

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You know, it's really just a personal preference. You gotta hand it to the people at Opera. They've really worked hard on a great browser against the big guys. I know what it's like. I"ve owned a company for 28 yrs. that has some really, really large competitors. I'm talking BILLION dollar competitors, so I know what it's like to struggle for you share of the market. It's really true, for some reason you have to be TWICE as good as the competition to be considered equal. I don't know why that is BUT, it's the way it is. Everyone is always asking me, "Are you CHEAPER", well, why do I have to be cheaper than the big guys. Why can't I be the same price and give you the personal touch that they CAN'T give you and get your business. I'm selling an equal or superior product and giving you my personal attention. Why is that supposed to be cheaper. I use Opera as my main browser and you know what? I've been coding and doing systems work since DOS 2.1 Isn't that enough time to have an educated opinion? I think so. You gotta admire these guys for having the guts to hang in there and try to provide a better product. The truth of the matter is, because of the general publics perception they have to deliver twice the product for it to be call "As good". I'm an Opera user all the way for more reasons than one. CONGRATULATIONS to the Opera team because I've yet to find a "REAL PROBLEM" with the browser (not more than the rest) and love the speedy and quick way it runs. Thanks, Opera!!!

The original article said,
It took a surprisingly short time for Opera to bring their browser from Release Candidate to the release version...

It's only surprising if you know nothing about software development. The whole concept of a release candidate is that it's a build that they are proposing to release as final. It's released as a candidate to give folks one last chance to check it over before it hits final, to check for any glaring omissions and showstopper bugs. Obvious no major issues were found in the RC so they were able to chuck out the Final build quickly.

TCLN Ryster said,
It's only surprising if you know nothing about software development. The whole concept of a release candidate is that it's a build that they are proposing to release as final. It's released as a candidate to give folks one last chance to check it over before it hits final, to check for any glaring omissions and showstopper bugs. Obvious no major issues were found in the RC so they were able to chuck out the Final build quickly.

Yes and no. You're definition of RC is correct, but only waiting a week (or less in this case) for public response to the build is generally not the preferred release management strategy. There was almost certainly a time-to-market priority decision made for this release on the part of the company. Not usually the best idea, but sometimes it works well.

Glen said,
You're definition of RC is correct, but only waiting a week (or less in this case) for public response to the build is generally not the preferred release management strategy. There was almost certainly a time-to-market priority decision made for this release on the part of the company.

I completely disagree.

The RC was rock solid. A week is more than enough to figure out if there are any important bugs in there. Remember, they have millions of people testing their betas and RCs.

What's wrong with the default theme? It was designed by the guy who designed the much-loved Firefox logo. The guy really knows his stuff.

acoustikrage said,
it doesn't work with gmail...back to firefox! it is pretty nice otherwise...

Ur hand's don't work, Opera works just fine with gmail

max1c said,
Ur hand's don't work, Opera works just fine with gmail

maybe for you. it ain't working for me, and it would be nice if someone could help me figure out why. i'm getting a URL too long error everytime i try to load it.

SINCERELY try to figure it out instead of blurting "it doesn't work with gmail...back to firefox! it is pretty nice otherwise...oneoneone1111eleven."

acoustikrage said,
maybe for you. it ain't working for me, and it would be nice if someone could help me figure out why. i'm getting a URL too long error everytime i try to load it.

google the issue u have can't say anything else cause never had any problems with gmail. Hotmail used to not work at all but microsoft finally fixed it

"Ah, September 1. Not a particularly eventful day... "

Apart from the fact that it's the 70th annivesary of the German invasion of Poland which sparked World War II.

PeteWhite said,
"Ah, September 1. Not a particularly eventful day... "

Apart from the fact that it's the 70th annivesary of the German invasion of Poland which sparked World War II.

*yawn* just like Uzbekistan declaring independence from the Soviet Union

Well, I gave Opera 9 a try when it came out. Initially I really liked it, but after awhile the annoyances started to ad up. Right now I use Firefox on Windows XP at work, and Google Chrome on Windows 7 at home. I'll give this new version a try and see how it compares.

I agree with some the sentiments here, Opera really shot themselves in the foot for charging for their browser for so long. Shouldn't charge for a program that has features on par with other programs you can get for free...

Opera's revenue from the desktop version grows by 100% yearly. Shot themselves in the foot?

Huh?

And what does Opera charging 4 years ago have to do with Opera 10?

Overall I like it. But I've been waiting for years for the following to be improved (without change since then):

- proxy switcher: this is an absolute requirement for corporate use (firefox has plugins for this)
- better ad blocker (ad block plus for firefox is much more superior to the ad blocker in opera)
- easier properties: the properties dialogs are cluttered with lots of stuff. For a browser, this should be much simpler (firefox is as bad as opera here)

I tried it out last night and I'm not terribly impressed with it mostly because the UI is still so ugly. Sure it seems faster than previous versions of Opera that I've tried over the years but it's still ugly. The first and biggest issue I have with it is why do the tabs have to be so thick? That's always been a major problem I've had with Opera. I could list more reasons but meh, can't really be bothered right now.

If you are using a regular scroll mouse just use the middle click by clicking the scroll wheel to open the link in background or keep pressed Ctrl + Shift while using a mousepad.

Ansuza said,
Is there a way to force Opera to load new tabs in the background? I hate how they always steal focus.

Yeah, only since about 5 years ago, when they invented tabs. I remember this from the old days.

Lol, I find it ironic that when it comes to search engine opera offers everything except for Bing. Hypocritical much Opera? They're forcing Microsoft to offer all selections of browsers on their OS yet Opera isn't offering all selections of search engines.

Omen1393 said,
Lol, I find it ironic that when it comes to search engine opera offers everything except for Bing. Hypocritical much Opera? They're forcing Microsoft to offer all selections of browsers on their OS yet Opera isn't offering all selections of search engines.

I was thinking that exact same thing too.

Omen1393 said,
Lol, I find it ironic that when it comes to search engine opera offers everything except for Bing. Hypocritical much Opera? They're forcing Microsoft to offer all selections of browsers on their OS yet Opera isn't offering all selections of search engines.

Do you see Bing by default in Firefox (3.5.2)?. Because I sure don't.
Edit: Installed Safari, they sure have a big choice between Yahoo and Google too!

And to add to that, you need a third party tool to change what Safari offers for search engines...

Hardly makes Opera look that guilty to be honest.

Omen1393 said,
Lol, I find it ironic that when it comes to search engine opera offers everything except for Bing. Hypocritical much Opera? They're forcing Microsoft to offer all selections of browsers on their OS yet Opera isn't offering all selections of search engines.

Yeah, so when Microsoft start shipping Opera with Windows, then you can call out Opera. Or do you think Opera should go out of its way to help a company that has been trying to destroy it? You somehow think that makes sense? (snipped)

Go to www.bing.com, right-click the search field, create search. Voila! there's your Bing search. You can even assign 'b' as inline shortcut. Do this on any search site you want.

cakesy said,
Yeah, so when Microsoft start shipping Opera with Windows, then you can call out Opera. Or do you think Opera should go out of its way to help a company that has been trying to destroy it? You somehow think that makes sense? Even for a fanboy, that take a pretty big leap.

(snipped) It's about Opera being a hypocrite. there's no way around that. And MS trying to destroy Opera? Come on. Yeah I'm sure MS is really worried about that

k7of9 said,
It's about Opera being a hypocrite.

It is not.

This is about your amazing ignorance.

Opera is not a convicted monopolist. Microsoft is.

Opera is a minority browser. Their search engine choice does not affect the market in a big way. Microsoft's bundling of a browser does affect the market in a big way.

Opera does not have a search engine. It uses services from other companies to provide that. Microsoft owns both Windows and IE.

Even a retarded child would be able to tell the difference. Seriously.

I like Opera. There are certain things in Opera that come with the browser that I like and don't have to dig around to find, like I do with firefox.

Whatever works for you.

samuraiKidz said,
Will still stick to Firefox for the time being

I am the same, but I will give this Opera a look. They have done some great stuff in the past, and I admire any company with the balls to stand up to Microsoft.

This is a great release! The new UI is much more slick and polished and it's FAST. I love this browser more and more every time I use it.

I will not use Opera 10 because Opera hasn't fixed their Bookmarks yet. With Firefox (and earlier versions of IE) you are able to edit Bookmarks from the menu bar directly. For example, Firefox allows you to right click a Bookmark and select 'Delete' and will delete the entry while the menu remains open. This *is* something to me...

I'll admit that I would rather a right-click menu too, but I've gotten used to managing them in the bookmark window

rwx said,
I will not use Opera 10 because Opera hasn't fixed their Bookmarks yet. With Firefox (and earlier versions of IE) you are able to edit Bookmarks from the menu bar directly. For example, Firefox allows you to right click a Bookmark and select 'Delete' and will delete the entry while the menu remains open. This *is* something to me...

ive seen that being requested for YEARS and they simply refuse to do it, which leads me to believe they cant due to some limitation

Neoauld said,
ive seen that being requested for YEARS and they simply refuse to do it, which leads me to believe they cant due to some limitation

Limitation? ... really.

You have the option to manage your bookmarks easily now. I don't see the need to edit via the list. If you want to manage your bookmarks, then do so.

Limitation being that you can't really destroy a menu item on the fly or create an additional popup menu from standard Windows popup menus. IE6/Firefox/Chrome all can; IE6 did some clever hack to the favourites menu, and Firefox/Chrome all use their own methods to draw popup menus. For Chrome, they use native menus for the Page and Tools menus, but have a closer look at the Bookmarks menu and notice how the menu doesn't fade in... kind of a giveaway.

In any case, like IE's Favourites center, Opera uses a Bookmarks panel that functions in the same way.

x-byte said,
Limitation? ... really.

You have the option to manage your bookmarks easily now. I don't see the need to edit via the list. If you want to manage your bookmarks, then do so.

Well, to me right clicking a menu, dragging & dropping within the menu is much more convenient than opening a separate window. IE6 used to this just fine including Explorer but MS blew it with IE7 and IE8. Now every time we right click a menu to perform an action such as 'Delete', the menu closes and you have to click it again. This sucks! Why would MS take away the IE6-based way of managing the Favorites?

FF on the other hand has almost cought up with the way IE6 was managing the Favorites. It still needs work though....

obscure public holidays (it's Knowledge Day in Russia!)

Maybe it's a holiday, but it's not a day off. It's quite the opposite in fact (classes start in schools/universities) =)

When ever I use IE, it sometimes times out too easily or gives up too easily finding a website, where as I find Opera bulldozes through and gets the webpage for me :)

I've been an avid fan of Opera for a few years now. So what if they have there boxing gloves on with MS. At least there browser just works !

butterfly68za said,
When ever I use IE, it sometimes times out too easily or gives up too easily finding a website, where as I find Opera bulldozes through and gets the webpage for me :)

I've been an avid fan of Opera for a few years now. So what if they have there boxing gloves on with MS. At least there browser just works !


IE is the slowest browser ever. And I wouldn't trust it with any of my banking information, what with all the exploits out there.

I used to love Opera in the old days, when I was on dialup, because you could switch off all images on a page with one click. Then, if you need images, like certain sites that have must see images, you just click a button and it will download them for you.

Now, this sort of feature isn't that important anymore, but it is just one of the many ways Opera tried to make there browser so friendly. I will have to give it another go. Can't wait until I can get rid of IE, when the market share falls enough (1.2% this month), so I wont need to do any testing with it. It has improved, but I will never forgive MS for ie6.

I've been using Opera since version 7. I've tried every new release of Firefox, but I just don't like the way it's working.

well i have mouse buttons for forward and back, and that's pretty much all i use, really... not even sure what the other mouse gestures are for heheh

Opera browser always has problem rendering many popular websites like facebook and hotmail. Whats the point of scoring 100/100 perfect score in Acid3 test if the browser itself cant even render a simple page correctly.

Surprisingly, older browsers like IE6 and 7 got the pages rendered correctly all the time...even though IE6 and 7 don't get high score in Acid test...

It just gonna show how overrated Acid3 test is... and another reason why Opera will never become a popular browser...

Seems like the don't Let's teach them. This is on the fbook page:

< ! - - [if lte IE 6]
< ! - - [if IE 7]......


Which is why it renders 'correctly' so to say. I'm not sure about opera vs ff and chromes render engine but I do know about IE, and please don't even try to raise IE above opera or any other browser =)

lomas said,
But still IE is a much more superior browser than Opera....

70% of the total internet users can't be wrong.. =)


IE6 is still in widest use, so by your logic that means that IE6 is the best browser, right?

About 80% of the computer buying public are total n00bs, they just use whatever comes with their computers, and seeing as XP is still on about 75% of all computers, and it uses IE6 by default, I think that question answers itself.

As for Facebook, blame their coders for that by plugging too much IE specific code into the site.

Someone on the forums suggested that by enabling "Mask as Firefox" in Opera, using the keyboard shortcuts in Opera will work for flipping through pictures in a Facebook photo album. By default, they don't work on the original user agent string.

That suggests a site problem rather than the browser's fault.

lomas said,
But still IE is a much more superior browser than Opera....

70% of the total internet users can't be wrong.. =)


This is because windows comes with IE, the worst browser ever dreamed off.

I am going to say it once, and say it again, either through there own hate of proper web standards, or there own incompetence, Microsoft can't make a decent browser, and should not be allowed to anymore. The internet is too important to allow a company like Microsoft exerting any control over it. Microsoft's perfect internet would be AOL, and nobody using it.

flocker said,
Seems like the don't Let's teach them. This is on the fbook page:

< ! - - [if lte IE 6]
< ! - - [if IE 7]......


Which is why it renders 'correctly' so to say. I'm not sure about opera vs ff and chromes render engine but I do know about IE, and please don't even try to raise IE above opera or any other browser =)

Hey! Trident still cool!