Opera 10.50 released, worlds fastest browser

Today Opera released Opera 10.50, claiming it to be the worlds fastest browser for Windows computers.  Opera 10.50 includes a new sleek, refined design, including private browsing, so users can surf anonymously.

Opera’s new menu button replaces the traditional way users are used to seeing toolbars, by stacking all the contents in a neat and organized drop down menu.  Aero Glass has been enabled for Windows Vista / 7 users, allowing them to take full advantage of the clean, transparent borders.  Opera even allows users to use the Windows 7 jump list, for quick and easy access to recent pages, Speed Dial, and tasks.

Opera 10.50 also includes old favourites like Opera Turbo, just turn this feature on when your bandwidth is slowing to a crawl, and let Opera’s servers handle the web content.  Opera Unite, a content sharing feature, without the need to upload to social networks.  Last, but not least, Opera Link, a synchronizing feature that allows you to share Speed Dial, notes, search-engine preferences and more features onto any Opera web browser and even Opera Mini.

Opera also includes the latest HTML5 and CSS3 standards, allowing web designers to utilize the great new features and design the perfect webpage for visitors.

Opera 10.50 is currently only available for Windows, in 42 different languages.  Opera will be available for Mac and Linux soon.

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people cry like always Internet Explorer is not even close to this faster browser opera

the only thing people know it just to search from porn site.

Opera is standards compliant i don't know where you heard it wasn't IE however is the biggest pig around

as for this article its only 3 weeks late I've been using opera 10.50 for the past 3 weeks it just went through an update to build 3273 where alot of bugs have been taken care of

Athlonite said,
Opera is standards compliant i don't know where you heard it wasn't IE however is the biggest pig around

as for this article its only 3 weeks late I've been using opera 10.50 for the past 3 weeks it just went through an update to build 3273 where alot of bugs have been taken care of


Standards compliant, but plug-in iffy. It doesn't 'just work' with Silverlight like Firefox and Chrome do. *waggles netflix at you*

Joshie said,

Standards compliant, but plug-in iffy. It doesn't 'just work' with Silverlight like Firefox and Chrome do. *waggles netflix at you*

as i don't use netflix it aint a problem for me

Someone please get rid of Opera. A useless waste of space and a further distraction to web developers who have enough trouble with standards across the good browsers.
Too bad the recession hasn't knocked them out.

psreloaded said,
now thats not good... atleast it employs a lot of people...

Sadly being a good employer and employing a lot of people doesn't make a product worth using. Personally I'd be happy to see IE and Firefox in the market. Let all resources goto those two and force the pace of change in them rather than having silly issues being caused by so many offshoot browsers.

An as for Google Chrome - if George Orwell were alive today I'm sure that he'd have a field day with that!

JonathanE said,
Someone please get rid of Opera. A useless waste of space and a further distraction to web developers who have enough trouble with standards across the good browsers.
Too bad the recession hasn't knocked them out.
Ugh, just because you have irrational dislikes for Opera (and Chrome) doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.

JonathanE said,

An as for Google Chrome - if George Orwell were alive today I'm sure that he'd have a field day with that!

Oh please, I have my own criticisms to fling at Google when I'm in the mood, but calling them Orwellian is about as informed as a Tea Partier claiming to be taxed without representation. Simply collecting information is not Orwellian. Using it for marketing purposes is notably not Orwellian.

Go and actually read 1984 and see if Google collecting user data to push more relevant ads fits in with his vision of government social control.

Trying it out. Been a die hard Opera user for years (who recently switched to Chrome). Seems they have fixed a few rendering bugs that I have experienced for years. But here is one that hasn't been fixed. Go to travel.bing.com and select a date with the JS calendar. That is a big one.

I'm really liking this new version. It seems nice and snappy, but the ui could do with little bits of work. My biggest problem is the red menu button at the top. It should really look like one of the tabs but keeping the red colour because at the moment it looks too out of place.

I gave the new opera a 8 hour run today then I uninstalled it. Fastest my a** the new layout is confusing. (Might just be me ) imho it feels slower than chrome and firefox.

(Spork) said,
I gave the new opera a 8 hour run today then I uninstalled it. Fastest my a** the new layout is confusing. (Might just be me ) imho it feels slower than chrome and firefox.
Regardless of how it feels, tests show Opera is faster than Chrome and FF.....perhaps changing Opera to redraw instantly (as soon as it loads an element) rather than after 1 second would make it feel like it loads faster?

And if you are not use to a UI, it will be hard to adjust. I personally think FF and Chrome both have absolutely horrible UIs, because I do not use them. Whereas I feel Opera has the best UI out of the bunch, as I use it every day.

With out a good ad blocker I would never use it. I have tried several ways to block ads and none of them work good or at all on Opera. For me right now that is Firefox and Ad Block Plus.

bryonhowley said,
With out a good ad blocker I would never use it. I have tried several ways to block ads and none of them work good or at all on Opera. For me right now that is Firefox and Ad Block Plus.
Opera's built-in adblocker works just as well as Ad Block Plus in blocking ads, if the user knows what their doing, that is. You can also use userjs to remove elements created specifically to serve ads.

So in short, learn to adblock with Opera, and you will find it just as effective as Ad Block Plus.

Nagisan said,
Opera's built-in adblocker works just as well as Ad Block Plus in blocking ads, if the user knows what their doing, that is. You can also use userjs to remove elements created specifically to serve ads.

So in short, learn to adblock with Opera, and you will find it just as effective as Ad Block Plus.

That is great and all but that mentality is what Opera will never get a significant market share. There are more non techies using the internet than techies. If browsers exist that automatically block popups without the need to "know what your doing", it wins over Opera in the mind of your average user. Remember the days when there were no real popup blockers. Not having a fully functioning blocker that is set up to work properly from the install defaults seems like a step backwards.

SputnikGamer said,

That is great and all but that mentality is what Opera will never get a significant market share. There are more non techies using the internet than techies. If browsers exist that automatically block popups without the need to "know what your doing", it wins over Opera in the mind of your average user. Remember the days when there were no real popup blockers. Not having a fully functioning blocker that is set up to work properly from the install defaults seems like a step backwards.


So your telling me Ad Block Plus comes pre-installed with Firefox already configured to be working the way a normal user would want it to?

In my experience, non-techie users typically do not install Firefox, and if they do, they typically do not install extensions.

¿What could do a fast car if it can fit the streets properly?. There will never be a consensus on what browser its better. We should all build our own code and create our navigators, just like MS, Opera, Google, Firefox, etc, did. (:

I love the browser but lately I've been upset a bit at a few changes. Most of them I get use to and then find I can't live without them. One thing I don't understand is why they feel the need to work on what I find useless features to a browser. I could careless about Unite and the Turbo mode and feel the should spend more time on other features like even better security and play a bit nicer with certain web pages. I still am using it as my main browser and most likely will not change it any time soon.

Opera is pretty fast now... I'm on an older Pentium 4 3.0GHz and it feels snappier than Firefox 3.6. But I just can't give up all the customization I've done to Firefox.

The good news is that with private builds of Firefox it sure feels just as fast as Opera 10.5... I use Tete's and it's fantastic:

http://www1.plala.or.jp/tete009/en-US/software.html

I'm not a fan of Opera... I just downloaded this right now just to give it a shot and I'm not that happy with it. I'll be sticking with FireFox because I love it's UI way better than anything else. It's straight forward and to the point plus I'm just used to it. And AdBlock Plus is something I must have... I don't know what I'd do without it.

I will say Opera loads faster but speed isn't my main concern. The UI is just frustrating to me.

RedFlow said,
I'm not a fan of Opera... I just downloaded this right now just to give it a shot and I'm not that happy with it. I'll be sticking with FireFox because I love it's UI way better than anything else. It's straight forward and to the point plus I'm just used to it. And AdBlock Plus is something I must have... I don't know what I'd do without it.

I will say Opera loads faster but speed isn't my main concern. The UI is just frustrating to me.

At least you are being honest about things, I can understand your UI concerns, but the UI is one of those things that once you get use to it, everything else looks bad. I for one prefer Opera's UI to FF or any other browser, so the speed increase along with the best UI (in my opinion, that is), definitely makes Opera worth using.

fast but eat my memory ALIVE!!!. Give me a break opera. You used to be my favorite browse because the low memory requirements, now eat more than chrome!.
Sad day...

ThePitt said,
fast but eat my memory ALIVE!!!. Give me a break opera. You used to be my favorite browse because the low memory requirements, now eat more than chrome!.
Sad day...
Memory Cache - Look into it (or if having free memory that is being wasted is what you want, look into disabling Opera's memory cache).

Sorry, feels faster doesn't prove anything.
http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/
sunspider tests above prove Opera is THE fastest browser on the planet! While a few sec on its own might not seem like much, when a billion people are surfing the web, that's a billion seconds of saved time!
It can be faster by 1 sec or a 1 ms, Faster is faster ;)
Funny how when Chrome was fastest it was shoved down our throats, now it's dethroned, people try to make excuses how speed never mattered. LOL

Opera is a joke in terms of product and marketshare. Yes I have used it, no I don't like it. Flame me all you want, but it's the truth.

Unless your life depends on the 2 seconds or so you save each day by using Opera, then by all means use it. Fast as Opera is, undoubtedly is fast, it isn't really significantly faster than other browsers for my purpose.

If anything, add-ons in the end may save me much more time overall as it saves me typing or finding things that I could do with 1 click. I mean, that could save you 2 seconds, right there. We have come to an age of internet where you can't really speed up much faster, userability and security should really be the bench mark of a browser.

And even just a more pleasant look is enough reason to prefer one browser or another, which in the end is a bit more important personally.

It is the fastest browser
at least from the test at http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
Opera 10.50 scored 546.8ms
Google Chrome 4.0.249.89 scored 585.4ms
Firefox 3.6 scored 1270.4ms
Microsoft IE8 touched 6028.2ms and I'm using IE8 as the main browser ;)

I have tried Firefox, IE 8, Safari, and Opera but to me Chrome is the fastest browser 'in my view anyway' OK! it don't have the perks of a great UI or customization features but to be honest all of those things contribute for the browser to become more slower, so a simple design like Chrome makes in return a really fast and reliable browser. all tho Chrome got a feature witch I quite like, you can move tabs around back and forwards and you can drag the tab out to make a new browser or simply drag it back to where it was, awesome!

freedomx said,
I have tried Firefox, IE 8, Safari, and Opera but to me Chrome is the fastest browser 'in my view anyway' OK! it don't have the perks of a great UI or customization features but to be honest all of those things contribute for the browser to become more slower, so a simple design like Chrome makes in return a really fast and reliable browser. all tho Chrome got a feature witch I quite like, you can move tabs around back and forwards and you can drag the tab out to make a new browser or simply drag it back to where it was, awesome!

I don't want to argue which is the more fasten browser but in a real scenario (i.e. webpages, let's say with intensive ajax scripts), the difference between one browser and another usually is depreciable, Iexplorer is noticeable slow but the rest runs in the same magnitude, or you could say, a difference of fraction of seconds.

And the funny part is, most webpages are not javascript intensive, even more, most webpages doesn't even use ajax at all.

OgamaWab said,
Google chrome is better and faster. Google Chrome would be the one second man to compare to the one minute man

Either way, we're looking at one unhappy woman...

Not sure why, but with the speed increases I am seeing better memory management on 10.5 than I was on 10.10.....same exact tabs open, same cache settings (automatic for memory) and everything.....but here I sit, hours after install with the same tabs as my 10.10 install had, and I have 4.1 GB of free ram (400MB ram usage for Opera alone).....the only time 10.10 EVER had this low ram usage was when I first started it (it quickly dropped/increased ram usage after visiting multiple pages), or if I had less tabs open. For me, 10,10 typically was over 600MB usage with never more than 4GB of free ram on my computer, but 10.5 seems to have better memory management.

And for those saying thats too much ram usage.....I have 6GB total, Opera is designed to use up to 10% of your total ram (oddly enough, 10.10 often used more than 10% on automatic), and free ram = wasted ram, but no matter how you wish to look at it, 10.5 seems lighter ram-wise than 10.10, while being faster (this could be due to my skin, but still).

eilegz said,
opera 10.5 + windows 7 aero = dissaster

[img]http://slot-1.net/chan/src/1267573665438.png[/img]

How about not using some random custom-skin and activating the menu-bar? Oh and it's spelled disaster.

dr_crabman said,

How about not using some random custom-skin and activating the menu-bar? Oh and it's spelled disaster.

its not a custom theme, its a default theme... i just set it up that the tab bar its below the url bar as it should and not the chrome copy that everyone its trying to achieve...

I'm bored so I played around with it. Its been a while since I used opera and its a nice little speedy browser.

Nebuchadnezzar said,
They actually reached RC5 in 48 hours before the final :p

disregard previous comment Operas stupid update program tells me i have the latest but oh no i don't, i went to their site and I find the rtm is there

Can't believe it this browser is worlds fastest browser is sooooooo fast i love it i will recommend it to all my friend. great job OPERA KEEP IT UP !!

Well, I don't really know how to explain it, but I just like the feel of Chrome. It's very... clean... and it feels like it belongs on Windows, OS X, and Linux (at least Ubuntu).

I also love the fact that it's open source.

Opera... just feels clunky to me. The clickable area on the tabs doesn't reach to the top of the screen, so you can't just throw your mouse pointer up to the tab and click. Also, the company behind it started whining so much (ZOMG the IE logo is too synonymous with the internet) and they just got annoying after a while. Google on the other hand... makes all these awesome open source projects.

Silverskull said,
Well, I don't really know how to explain it, but I just like the feel of Chrome. It's very... clean... and it feels like it belongs on Windows, OS X, and Linux (at least Ubuntu).

I also love the fact that it's open source.

Opera... just feels clunky to me. The clickable area on the tabs doesn't reach to the top of the screen, so you can't just throw your mouse pointer up to the tab and click. Also, the company behind it started whining so much (ZOMG the IE logo is too synonymous with the internet) and they just got annoying after a while. Google on the other hand... makes all these awesome open source projects.

yes they do but they also like to spy on you too

New private browsing? Hhmmm... seems like I've seen that before.

And according to Apple's Safari page, IT is the "world's fastest browser". Now people are going to be confused because ONE (or both) of them MUST be lying. How could they BOTH claim to be the fastest? It just isn't possible!

It is also interesting to note that, rather than make up a bunch of false claims, Microsoft's IE page offers a 14 page document explaining how to benchmark different browsers should you choose to see which one is truly the best. And for those who won't bother to read it, no, the results don't always favor IE8 over other browsers in all respects.

dr_crabman said,

Agreed. But what's the relevance to this topic?


this.....

"Opera also includes the latest HTML5 and CSS3 standards, allowing web designers to utilize the great new features and design the perfect webpage for visitors."

-DanNY- said,
Sorry but Opera is as pointless as Nutscrape...erm I mean Netscape was. Firefox, and perhaps IE to test my Javascript, but thats as far as it goes.
You do realize that Netscape was the internet in the 90's for a lot of people, right? Not to mention that Firefox wouldn't exist without Netscape.

Edited by Simon, Mar 3 2010, 4:30am :

Simon said,
You do realize that Netscape was the internet in the 90's for a lot of people, right? Not to mention that Firefox wouldn't exist without Netscape.

And where is it now?

I notice quite a bit of people here are griping about its look... a few things:

1) Tab previews aren't enabled by default; they look and feel just like other tabs in other browsers - the default skin no longer has grippers so it looks the same, tab thumbnails enabled or not
2) The screenshot has a weird glitched panel button beside the Opera button - probably as a result of doing an upgrade install instead of a clean one
3) It's literally four clicks to strip the toolbar buttons down to like Chrome: only Back/Forward and reload/stop.

including private browsing, so users can surf anonymously

private does not equal anonymous. Anonymous implies that the servers aren't sure who you are (as in you are going through a proxy that is keeping your identity secret). This is not that.

Shadrack said,

private does not equal anonymous. Anonymous implies that the servers aren't sure who you are (as in you are going through a proxy that is keeping your identity secret). This is not that.

You sir are mistaken. I can anonymously use my facebook page with private browsing....sigh. They try so hard sometimes to come up with a valid point. So let me surf anonymously, not checking my email, facebook, myspace, using any instant messenger, posting on neowin since it is tied to my email. What do you do on the internet that is so important that you wan to remain anonymous?

Opera is ugly and clunky, however fast they claim it to be. However it could be the most useful and beautiful browser in the world and I still wouldn't download it, let alone use it, due to the browser ballot debacle. The cost to Microsoft has made the OS dearer, who do you think pays the legal fees? and to cap it all the wasted millions the EU spent to bring about a pointless and frankly confusing ballot screen (confusing to the normal users who use IE cos they know no different - I have had loads of calls from people asking for help - "just press install under the big blue E" - is my response, that is all they have used and therefore know, saves oodles of time not having to explain Firefox or Chrome) and who are the poor souls paying those millions, us tax payers!

Regardless of the randomness of the layout of that ballot screen I would imagine 99.9% of people who use IE and therfore see the ballot screen, click on IE. Rendering it pointless.

tuckeratlarge said,
Opera is ugly and clunky, however fast they claim it to be. However it could be the most useful and beautiful browser in the world and I still wouldn't download it, let alone use it, due to the browser ballot debacle.
Let's just stop here. Are you pretending to yourself that only Opera had involvement?

tuckeratlarge said,
Opera is ugly and clunky, however fast they claim it to be.

Independent tests confirm that it's fast. And everyone seems to love the UI.

However it could be the most useful and beautiful browser in the world and I still wouldn't download it, let alone use it, due to the browser ballot debacle. The cost to Microsoft has made the OS dearer, who do you think pays the legal fees?

Opera did no such thing. The ballot screen was Microsoft's own suggestion. If you think Opera had any kind of power over the antitrust process, you are delusional.

But I guess you won't be using Firefox either, since Mozilla joined the complaint.

And I guess you won't be using Chrome either, since Google joined the complaint.

And I guess you won't be using Windows either, since Microsoft filed antitrust complaints against Google.

Then I guess you won't be using Google's search either, since Google filed antitrust complaints against Microsoft.

Or are you a hypocrite?

and to cap it all the wasted millions the EU spent to bring about a pointless and frankly confusing ballot screen

It was Microsoft's suggestion. Go whine to them.

PreKe said,

Independent tests confirm that it's fast. And everyone seems to love the UI.


Opera did no such thing. The ballot screen was Microsoft's own suggestion. If you think Opera had any kind of power over the antitrust process, you are delusional.

But I guess you won't be using Firefox either, since Mozilla joined the complaint.

And I guess you won't be using Chrome either, since Google joined the complaint.

And I guess you won't be using Windows either, since Microsoft filed antitrust complaints against Google.

Then I guess you won't be using Google's search either, since Google filed antitrust complaints against Microsoft.

Or are you a hypocrite?


It was Microsoft's suggestion. Go whine to them.

Is Opera really worth you wasting 20 minutes of your life writting this thread you could be playing COD!!

Kirkburn said,
Let's just stop here. Are you pretending to yourself that only Opera had involvement?

No, not at all, but Opera Software started it by crying it's little eyes out to the EU. In the US and A they would have been told to bog off and create something the populace would want to use, like Firefox and Chrome.

PreKe said,

Independent tests confirm that it's fast. And everyone seems to love the UI.
Opera did no such thing. The ballot screen was Microsoft's own suggestion. If you think Opera had any kind of power over the antitrust process, you are delusional.
But I guess you won't be using Firefox either, since Mozilla joined the complaint.
And I guess you won't be using Chrome either, since Google joined the complaint.
And I guess you won't be using Windows either, since Microsoft filed antitrust complaints against Google.
Then I guess you won't be using Google's search either, since Google filed antitrust complaints against Microsoft.
Or are you a hypocrite?
It was Microsoft's suggestion. Go whine to them.

No everyone doesn't love the UI. I don't therefore that statement is incorrect, sorry.

Yes Mozilla and Google jumped on the bandwagon but they wouldn't have said anything to the EU unless Opera started. Please bare in mind Opera is the only European operation and as such had the most to gain.

Microsoft originally said they would remove IE altogether, maybe as a joke, but someone must have realised you can't then download any other browser. They came up with the ballot screen to appease the idiots in the EU knowing full well that the majority would just click on what they knew - IE.

Microsoft, Google et al, all file antitrust cases against each other because that is the American way, as in "We can't beat them in the market place, or the field of play, so we'll sue them or complain to get our own way" It's a sweeping statement I know and not 100% accurate but that's the perception many people have about it.

Anyway all that aside, I won't be downloading and installing Opera as I don't like the UI, don't like the functionality. I don't use Chrome or IE for one or more of those reasons either.

Each to their own.

Edited by tuckeratlarge, Mar 2 2010, 11:09pm :

tuckeratlarge said,
Yes Mozilla and Google jumped on the bandwagon but they wouldn't have said anything to the EU unless Opera started.

So it's OK as long as you just kind of jump in there and exploit the situation without having to take any responsibility what so ever?

Anyway, what you are writing is completely false. Google already has a history of filing antitrust cases against Microsoft.

Please bare in mind Opera is the only European operation and as such had the most to gain.

Really! And how is that exactly? What exactly does Opera gain by being a European company that Mozilla and Google didn't? Please enlighten us!

Microsoft originally said they would remove IE altogether, maybe as a joke, but someone must have realised you can't then download any other browser. They came up with the ballot screen to appease the idiots in the EU knowing full well that the majority would just click on what they knew - IE.

So what? It was still Microsoft's idea. And here you are whining about Opera!

Microsoft, Google et al, all file antitrust cases against each other because that is the American way, as in "We can't beat them in the market place, or the field of play, so we'll sue them or complain to get our own way" It's a sweeping statement I know and not 100% accurate but that's the perception many people have about it.

Ah, so when Google and Microsoft file antitrust cases, [b]it's the American way[/b], but when someone outside the US does it, it's bad! I get it now.

Blatant hypocrisy...

Anyway all that aside, I won't be downloading and installing Opera as I don't like the UI, don't like the functionality. I don't use Chrome or IE for one or more of those reasons either.

But you will still be using Firefox despite Mozilla's involvement in the antitrust case?

Again: Blatant hypocrisy.

Just as I thought.

Wow, it is horrid!

Its as if they have left a load of crap from Opera 5 in there still, and slapped a coat of paint on it. The JS engine may be fast, but as mentioned by others, it still has some issues. Meebo being one.

/uninstalled.... again.

Septimus said,
Wow, it is horrid!

Its as if they have left a load of crap from Opera 5 in there still, and slapped a coat of paint on it. The JS engine may be fast, but as mentioned by others, it still has some issues. Meebo being one.


What's "horrid" about it?

What "crap from Opera 5"?

Funny how none of these anti-Opera trolls can seem to come up with anything specific.

PreKe said,

What's "horrid" about it?

What "crap from Opera 5"?

Funny how none of these anti-Opera trolls can seem to come up with anything specific.

LOL you didn't read the last sentence of what you quoted? How much more specific do you want. Meebo doesn't work right. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

SputnikGamer said,
LOL you didn't read the last sentence of what you quoted? How much more specific do you want. Meebo doesn't work right. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Ok, so because he has a problem with one specific site which probably isn't something other people are having problems with, Opera is "horrid"? That's just fanboyistic hyperbole.

I used to be on the Opera train but I found Firefox and Chrome had more of the extensions and addons I liked so I might download it just to give it a try.

Farchord said,
Hmm....

I'll stay with Chrome, thank you

Clearly you don't value your privacy then... I hope you like Google profiling your surfing habits. Why stick with Chrome, when Opera 10.50 is faster, looks nicer and is more secure?

mgillespie said,

Clearly you don't value your privacy then... I hope you like Google profiling your surfing habits. Why stick with Chrome, when Opera 10.50 is faster, looks nicer and is more secure?

what ab rendering? It dont display few website properly..

mgillespie said,

Clearly you don't value your privacy then... I hope you like Google profiling your surfing habits. Why stick with Chrome, when Opera 10.50 is faster, looks nicer and is more secure?

lmao, "looks nicer". I love how you counter his personal preference with your own. I know this may be a hard concept for you to grasp, but perhaps he just enjoys using Chrome? I don't see why you'd have such a big problem with that. Use what you like, and quit pestering others.

mgillespie said,

Clearly you don't value your privacy then... I hope you like Google profiling your surfing habits. Why stick with Chrome, when Opera 10.50 is faster, looks nicer and is more secure?

Even if you not use Google Chrome as your default browser, Google still collects information about your "online experience" using the google ads (most of the internet ads are from google. And those ads are a bit of embedded html) they say they use it for improvement so you can have a better "online experience". I don't mind if Google profiles my surfing habits. It's only giving me better search results ;)

^ That's exactly how I feel. I know I have a choice, and I'm well aware of what Google does. It's not like this knowledge is some unheard secret for many techies. I just don't feel it to be a threat.

Then again, I don't search how to make bombs, rape, child pornography, and such either so maybe that's another reason for being at ease. :P

mgillespie said,

Clearly you don't value your privacy then... I hope you like Google profiling your surfing habits. Why stick with Chrome, when Opera 10.50 is faster, looks nicer and is more secure?

So how tight do you have that tin foil hat on your head? :)

still1 said,
what ab rendering? It dont display few website properly..

Right click on page -> Site preferences and tell Opera to identify itself as Firefox for example and most "rendering issues" are gone. Why? BAD CODED SITE!

Worlds most full of junk with ugly horrid interface with fastest rendering engine by a certain benchmark maybe until then they don't have anything on chromes simplicity and speed or Firefox's optional addons/customization.

Digitalx said,
Worlds most full of junk with ugly horrid interface with fastest rendering engine by a certain benchmark maybe until then they don't have anything on chromes simplicity and speed or Firefox's optional addons/customization.

LOL, it's funny to see scared Firefox fanboys bash Opera because Firefox is now the slowest browser ;)

PreKe said,

LOL, it's funny to see scared Firefox fanboys bash Opera because Firefox is now the slowest browser ;)

If you're going to insult someone, you could at least put some effort in it. He mentioned Chrome's speed in his post...

PreKe said,

LOL, it's funny to see scared Firefox fanboys bash Opera because Firefox is now the slowest browser ;)

If you're going to insult someone, you could at least read their post. Otherwise, it only makes you look foolish, especially since he mentioned Chrome's speed...

dead.cell said,
If you're going to insult someone, you could at least read their post. Otherwise, it only makes you look foolish, especially since he mentioned Chrome's speed...

So what if he mentioned Chrome? He's still what he is.

PreKe said,

So what if he mentioned Chrome? He's still what he is.

The point he was trying to say (if you could use your brain for other things besides SRS BSNS W/ OPERA) is that it made him look foolish for calling someone a Firefox Fanboy when Digitalx was referring to Chrome, which would suggest he uses Chrome... NOT Firefox.

PreKe, you clearly are one heck of a dude, with some serious love for a browser.

PreKe said,

So what if he mentioned Chrome? He's still what he is.

I suppose if you don't like Firefox's UI or speed, I'd have to call you an Opera fanboy?

Sorry, but disliking a browser doesn't equate to being a fanboy. It's just a matter of personal preference which differs from one person to the next!

Oh, and before you try and label me as well, I actually like 10.5.

Decaytion said,
Digitalx was referring to Chrome, which would suggest he uses Chrome... NOT Firefox.

Maybe you should read his post instead of embarrassing yourself again. He does not just mention Chrome.

PeterKD said,
runs slower than chrome for me.

Same for me, actually. Even tried it after letting it (hopefully enabled by default anyway) cache the websites and it still performed below Chrome. Will have to test it out more thoroughly when I get home I suppose and see what options I can tweak.

Not to say it's a huge issue, as it's still fast regardless.

Advancer said,
Fast or not, but when will they be able to support Xmarks? The most handy add-on, hands down.

Opera already syncs stuff with its own system.

PreKe said,

Opera already syncs stuff with its own system.

Is that compatible across other browsers? If not, I see little sense in it, as Xmarks goes across all browsers if I'm not mistaken (though not Opera apparently).

Not everyone wants or can use the same browser for all tasks (work limitations, etc).

Edited by dead.cell, Mar 2 2010, 10:37pm :

gt2437 said,
isn't Lynx the world's fastest browser? :-p

Believe it or not, it's quite slow when you actually try to get things done. It also only loads text.

Why does speed matter anymore when nearly all pages load within milliseconds across any browser I use? We're not in the Firefox 2 days anymore. :p

NeoandGeo said,
Why does speed matter anymore when nearly all pages load within milliseconds across any browser I use? We're not in the Firefox 2 days anymore. :p

Many pages are heavier than that. Especially with lots of JS.

NeoandGeo said,
Why does speed matter anymore when nearly all pages load within milliseconds across any browser I use? We're not in the Firefox 2 days anymore. :p

For 99.99% of the pages it doesn't matter. In fact for properly designed web page it doesn't matter.

But sometime you have this client who absolutely wants something.

Once we had a client who wanted all the records of a table displayed on a single web page with some javascript tricks. There's was around 10 000 records. I know it's stupid to display 10 000 records at the same time on a web page but this is want the client wanted. And he WANTED it and PAID for it.

We done it. The page took around 1 minutes to display in IE6, took around 20-30 seconde on Firefox 1. And took around 6-10 seconde on Opera can't recall which version it was.

That's a really big different to me.

Edited by LaP, Mar 2 2010, 9:26pm :

NeoandGeo said,
Why does speed matter anymore when nearly all pages load within milliseconds across any browser I use? We're not in the Firefox 2 days anymore. :p

Big problem I have with Firefox is just the initial load up time. Even with no addons installed, it's just too slow compared to Chrome which just pops on demand. It's the reason I switched more or less (well, that and the integrated search bar with address bar). Quick and slick. Still use Firefox though for the addons when I need them.

It's pretty bloody nippy if you ask me. Certainly on par with the likes of Chrome and Firefox. All browsers have their strengths.

first time seeing this, interesting idea on the large preview tab bar, seems like it would be better on the bottom. firefox 4 and opera look pretty similar though in the compact view

You can put them top, bottom, left, right. Which ever pleases you! ;)

Peroanally I go with left/right, with these widescreen monitors these days there's a lot of empty space on the sides for me to use :P

I just uninstalled, it's horrible. It's not a fast as Opera claims or anywhere near, still after all this time a few weird rendering problems on some websites. I'll be sticking to Firefox for now.

_DP said,
You prefer IE?....

Yep... I've always found Opera to be quick (although not as much as Chrome) and I LOVE all the features it comes with, but I can never stand it more than a day because of all the rendering issues... if they would just fix the rendering, it might actually stand a fighting chance against the big dogs.

What rendering issues exactly? Haven't seen anything serious lately. As far as I'm concerned there's not a lot to fix and all this talk about problems is nothing more than pure BS.

thealexweb said,
I just uninstalled, it's horrible. It's not a fast as Opera claims or anywhere near, still after all this time a few weird rendering problems on some websites. I'll be sticking to Firefox for now.

Many parties unassociated with Opera claim it is the fastest browser as well, get your facts straight.

As for rendering issues, many of them are due to stupid developers who code websites to display differently in different browsers. There are very few rendering issues caused by Opera itself.

dr_crabman said,
What rendering issues exactly? Haven't seen anything serious lately. As far as I'm concerned there's not a lot to fix and all this talk about problems is nothing more than pure BS.

I'm not making it it up there's nothing quite as major as it used to be, just a few little things on a few small tech sites I visit, I don't think it's the developers fault because they render fine in firefox and chrome.

Nagisan said,

Many parties unassociated with Opera claim it is the fastest browser as well, get your facts straight.

As for rendering issues, many of them are due to stupid developers who code websites to display differently in different browsers. There are very few rendering issues caused by Opera itself.

How is disputing Opera's claim different to me disputing any other tech site's claim on how fast it may / may not be?

thealexweb said,
I just uninstalled, it's horrible. It's not a fast as Opera claims or anywhere near, still after all this time a few weird rendering problems on some websites. I'll be sticking to Firefox for now.

It's funny to see Firefox fanboys bash Opera because Firefox is now the slowest browser (nearly as slow as IE). They used to be able to comfort themselves with Opera's JS engine being as crappy as Firefox.

Now it's back to the old "rendering site" nonsense. I haven't found a single site that doesn't work in Opera. Firefox fails when trying to log into my online bank, though.

thealexweb said,
a few little things on a few small tech sites I visit

Report the problems. Opera actually tries to fix them. And go check the definition of "horrible". I know, we're on the internet so hyperbole is the the status quo, but please, it's getting absurd and makes you look like a dumb troll.

Edited by dr_crabman, Mar 2 2010, 9:27pm :

thealexweb said,
I just uninstalled, it's horrible. It's not a fast as Opera claims or anywhere near, still after all this time a few weird rendering problems on some websites. I'll be sticking to Firefox for now.

I checked it too... i uninstalled it right after I opened it... Its not fast as opera claim to be... I felt chrome is better...

Edited by still1, Mar 2 2010, 9:36pm :

thealexweb said,

I'm not making it it up there's nothing quite as major as it used to be, just a few little things on a few small tech sites I visit, I don't think it's the developers fault because they render fine in firefox and chrome.

If you tell Opera to display itself as firefox to most web sites that appear broken they will usually preform as they should. I tried this with facebook for example, normally it didn't operate as it should under opera, but when I told opera to identify itself as firefox it worked perfectly (right click on page -> site preferences).
Normally it would look like this was a problem with Opera, but in fact it shows there is a problem with how the site is coded.

still1 said,
I checked it too... i uninstalled it right after I opened it... Its not fast as opera claim to be... I felt chrome is better...

You "felt chrome is better" (sic) because you are a Chrome fan, and desperately want to dismiss Opera? :)