Opera 15.0 Build 1147

A full-featured Internet browser, Opera includes pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing, integrated searches, and advanced functions like RSS Newsfeeds and IRC chat. And because we know that our users have different needs, you can customize the look and content of your Opera browser with a few clicks of the mouse.

  • Speed Dial: Your favorite sites are just one click away at all times.
  • Search Shortcuts: Faster search - type your queries directly into the address bar.
  • Trash Can: Instantly reopen recently closed tabs.
  • Mouse Gestures: With Opera you can navigate the Web with your mouse.
  • Opera Link: Synchronize data of your choice online, or among different computers and devices.
  • Quick Find: Opera remembers not only the titles and addresses, but also the actual content of the Web pages you visit.
  • Feed Preview: Preview a Feed by clicking on the feed icon, and you will see it in clean and efficient multiple-column layout.
  • Quick and customizable Web search: Get quick access to Google, eBay, Amazon and more with the search field in the upper right corner.

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theres just too many things missing for me to consider using opera 15. So I'll just stick to 12.15 untill opera becomes useable again maybe version 20 will be better.

My built in updater STILL says I have latest version at 12.15!

Still haven't installed this new version. I like watching/reading what others are complaining about on new things first and being that Opera switched engines, this is rather new.

Have never been a fan of webkit

Opera quotes taken from: http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/...op-and-a-fast-release-cycle

"most users don't use bookmarks"
Really? Then what do IE (or chrome) users use to remember a certain site? They can't add a site to some speed dial. Was that their first lie that day?

"to simplify the UI even further and reduce the footprint of the program, we've split it out into a separate product"
So removing "bookmarks" and 1 menu item called 'Mail and chat accounts' is done to the simplify Opera? Also the download-size and memory footprint are bigger now that they skinned chrome. So, what other program did they compare the new footprint with?

"We want your Opera to feel native to your operating system"
Just look at: http://i.imgur.com/65tQnQ6.png
Opera doesn't feel native at all...

"We have neither asked nor forced our 12.x users to upgrade to Opera 15, as we know that some features that are important to you are still to come." (taken from: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/07/02/opera-15 )
So you are saying that you released an unfinished browser as a final? How about finishing your work and then releasing something?


They never should have released this. Opera used to be the browser that supported pretty much everything and was still smaller then all the others and usually just as fast as far as 'real world usage' goes.
A browser made by developers that don't know how to make their browser support bookmarks, shouldn't even exist. At this point, even chrome is more customizable and has more options.

sirnh1 said,
Opera quotes taken from: http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/...op-and-a-fast-release-cycle

"most users don't use bookmarks"
Really? Then what do IE (or chrome) users use to remember a certain site? They can't add a site to some speed dial. Was that their first lie that day?

I don't use bookmarks much anymore - they're right. Speeddial was a great idea and it exposed the fact that people often go to the same set of sites. I can't remember the last time i clicked on a bookmark in Opera 12. I think the new approach (folders on speeddial) works well enough for me - not that I object to them re-adding bookmarks I just won't use it.

sirnh1 said,
"to simplify the UI even further and reduce the footprint of the program, we've split it out into a separate product"
So removing "bookmarks" and 1 menu item called 'Mail and chat accounts' is done to the simplify Opera? Also the download-size and memory footprint are bigger now that they skinned chrome. So, what other program did they compare the new footprint with?

Size of the app is important now? I really thought that whole thing was overblown - and removing features does simplify an application. As for the features in question - mail and irc in particular I never used. I quite believe that was the majority case too - bookmarks another matter though.

sirnh1 said,
"We want your Opera to feel native to your operating system"
Just look at: http://i.imgur.com/65tQnQ6.png
Opera doesn't feel native at all...

Well it does for me on 7/8/8.1 - what's the shot on? XP or 2k with no themes enabled? yuk.

sirnh1 said,
"We have neither asked nor forced our 12.x users to upgrade to Opera 15, as we know that some features that are important to you are still to come." (taken from: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/07/02/opera-15 )
So you are saying that you released an unfinished browser as a final? How about finishing your work and then releasing something?

This sort of thing is annoying for devs - the 'i want everything NOW' mantra means that if taken literally they'd almost never release anything. Clearly they're trying to get a stable first release out there before adding more features too it. If 15 doesn't contain you're 'breaking missing feature' then wait for the next release and stick with 12 (it's not like it doesn't work).


sirnh1 said,
They never should have released this. Opera used to be the browser that supported pretty much everything and was still smaller then all the others and usually just as fast as far as 'real world usage' goes.
A browser made by developers that don't know how to make their browser support bookmarks, shouldn't even exist. At this point, even chrome is more customizable and has more options.

The big glaring truth for me was running 12 vs. Next for the past month or so - it made 12 look crap at rendering properly and was stupidly faster at loading pages. The reality was Opera were being left behind - like it or not. I get that you want more features, and that they're missing for you now but clearly they've made some tough decisions on what to do first. The bookmarks thing is easily the most contentious but it's disingenuous to claim they couldn't do it - they decided not too (whether you agree or not).

I apologise if this comes of as combative - it's not the intention - but I too am a long time (once paid) Opera user and I'm pretty happy with the new version. I'm also OK with seeing what happens 'Next'

dangel said,

I don't use bookmarks much anymore - they're right. Speeddial was a great idea and it exposed the fact that people often go to the same set of sites. I can't remember the last time i clicked on a bookmark in Opera 12. I think the new approach (folders on speeddial) works well enough for me - not that I object to them re-adding bookmarks I just won't use it.


I was not talking about opera specific. If you look at all browsers, then the only option users mostly have is ... bookmarks. So most users DO use bookmarks (Besides I have close to 500 bookmarks divided in folders easily going 4 levels deep and most bookmarks having nicknames. So speed dial doesn't do it for me here... )

dangel said,

Size of the app is important now? I really thought that whole thing was overblown - and removing features does simplify an application. As for the features in question - mail and irc in particular I never used. I quite believe that was the majority case too - bookmarks another matter though.

Size might not be important, but it still proves that opera was NOT bloated before (At one time they had a browser + mail client + webserver (=unite) being around 13MB. Now it's not even a full browser and it is already around 30MB).
For me the combination of nicknames, mousegestures, my custom buttons, custom shortcuts, etc... made opera way faster for me then it is now.
Also: didn't they say they that they switched to webkit to spend more time on the features and less time on their browser engine?
(That basicly means that, they'll be removing that 'simplicity' again pretty soon)

dangel said,

Well it does for me on 7/8/8.1 - what's the shot on? XP or 2k with no themes enabled? yuk.

I have windows 7 and xubuntu.
Although I don't mind things looking 'aero' style, but if opera says that it feels native, then it should do just that

dangel said,

This sort of thing is annoying for devs - the 'i want everything NOW' mantra means that if taken literally they'd almost never release anything. Clearly they're trying to get a stable first release out there before adding more features too it. If 15 doesn't contain you're 'breaking missing feature' then wait for the next release and stick with 12 (it's not like it doesn't work).

They could have released it as an actual BETA? Currently they went from 'snapshot 1 - snapshot 2 - snapshot 3 - RELEASE'.
These days chrome/firefox/opera release stuff, just because it's been 6 weeks since the last release. What happened to actually making a good product and then releasing it?

dangel said,

The big glaring truth for me was running 12 vs. Next for the past month or so - it made 12 look crap at rendering properly and was stupidly faster at loading pages. The reality was Opera were being left behind - like it or not.

I tried the '15', but didn't notice anything of the 'faster loading' and never had rendering problems with Opera12. Just 2 days ago I was even working in google docs and didn't have any problems. oO

Edited by sirnh1, Jul 3 2013, 11:53am :

"dangel said"
The big glaring truth for me was running 12 vs. Next for the past month or so - it made 12 look crap at rendering properly and was stupidly faster at loading pages. The reality was Opera were being left behind - like it or not. I get that you want more features, and that they're missing for you now but clearly they've made some tough decisions on what to do first. The bookmarks thing is easily the most contentious but it's disingenuous to claim they couldn't do it - they decided not to (whether you agree or not).

Agreed 100%!!

I'm too missing the old features! But they shall be back! They are already looking ways for porting Dragonfly to Chromium.

sirnh1 said,

I was not talking about opera specific. If you look at all browsers, then the only option users mostly have is ... bookmarks. So most users DO use bookmarks (Besides I have close to 500 bookmarks divided in folders easily going 4 levels deep and most bookmarks having nicknames. So speed dial doesn't do it for me here... )

...and does for me Not everyone is you and the fact is the transition from 12 to 15 is where bookmarks disappeared so apologies if I didn't extrapolate that to mean all browsers (lol). Especially since they were talking about Opera and not IE in the referenced article..

sirnh1 said,
Size might not be important, but it still proves that opera was NOT bloated before (At one time they had a browser + mail client + webserver (=unite) being around 13MB. Now it's not even a full browser and it is already around 30MB).

I'd question what you think a 'full browser' is? IE lacks a email client and irc chat, doesn't have torrents, and so on and so on. Whilst Opera certainly wasn't bloated it did contain a lot of stuff I really didn't use - I suspect quite a lot of other people didn't use those features too. After all a browser is for web browsing primarily.

sirnh1 said,
Also: didn't they say they that they switched to webkit to spend more time on the features and less time on their browser engine?
(That basicly means that, they'll be removing that 'simplicity' again pretty soon)

Yes they switched (officially) because maintaining the engine was costing them heavily and truth be told Opera hasn't been engine competitive for a little while now. I'm actually hoping that they do spend their time on UI and innovation because that's what they're very good at (and why I liked Opera in the first place). It's unlikely they'll be adding back little-used functionality like the email client though, especially now they've spun it off into it's own app proper.


sirnh1 said,
They could have released it as an actual BETA? Currently they went from 'snapshot 1 - snapshot 2 - snapshot 3 - RELEASE'.
These days chrome/firefox/opera release stuff, just because it's been 6 weeks since the last release. What happened to actually making a good product and then releasing it?

Competition. In case you didn't notice Opera have been accelerating releases like that for some time! But you're ignoring my point - they simply can't do everything at once and getting it out there for (perhaps) the majority who just want a 'browser' keeps them relevant and also gets the darn thing used and tested. As I said, if you don't want to use it why not wait until it meets your requirements (or just go elsewhere)? I can't see Opera standing still on this - the simple fact of the matter is that they need to differentiate from Chrome i.e. via UI innovation/features because now the engine is exactly the same. Think about it.

sirnh1 said,
I tried the '15', but didn't notice anything of the 'faster loading' and never had rendering problems with Opera12. Just 2 days ago I was even working in google docs and didn't have any problems. oO

Er what? Sorry but every benchmark out there puts this engine way ahead of the old one and even on a cursory level actually using it on sites page loads go from a few seconds to almost instantaneous. That's on a variety of hardware too - and even with an SSD. Outside of that sites like Ars Technica or The Verge no longer chug whilst scrolling and so forth. I'm also seeing less stuff getting rendered wrong simply because (despite 'standards') sites are tested for Chromium and not for 12. That's the reality, and that's why I think this is a change for the better. I've now got a faster web browser that's more compatible without some of the baggage of Chrome (e.g. installing programdata, being from Google etc) - better still it's a new fork away webkit which sounds like a good idea to me too (less is more sometimes).
Truthfully I've been a massive fan of Opera for years but I'm not blind to the reality that 12 was slower than it's rivals and had more problems with some websites. You might not like the reasons behind that but that's how it is. I don't think carrying on with the 12.x engine would of seen that improve (quite the opposite). I didn't (for example) like having to wait for outlook.com to be compatible with 12 for so long..

Edited by dangel, Jul 3 2013, 2:03pm :

Jose_49 said,

Agreed 100%!!

I'm too missing the old features! But they shall be back! They are already looking ways for porting Dragonfly to Chromium.

Exactly - having got the 'big job' out of the way I'd expect they to turn to their todo list (some of which they've mentioned) and so the featureset will improve.

dangel said,

...and does for me Not everyone is you ...

Yes, but the point I think he was making is that the vast majority of users very possibly DO use bookmarks since the most popular browsers and most used browsers in the world all support the use of bookmarks.

That being said, I think Opera will add their feature list back in... people need to give them a chance and not be knee jerk about it. Patience... they are trying to compete in a very difficult market (well, sort of a market I guess) where new releases fly out the door at a record pace.

I haven't installed it yet, but if they got rid of:

Mouse Gestures: GONE
Opera Link: GONE
RSS Newsfeeds and IRC chat: GONE

that is great! Never use the junk anyway!

Please update the description, is not accurate anymore.

Mouse Gestures: GONE
Opera Link: GONE
RSS Newsfeeds and IRC chat: GONE

Mortis said,
Please update the description, is not accurate anymore.

Mouse Gestures: GONE
Opera Link: GONE
RSS Newsfeeds and IRC chat: GONE

Mouse Gestures made the release.. See here:

http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/...op-and-a-fast-release-cycle

What's with people? This is a major overhaul for them and the objective was to get stable on a new engine - why do you believe they won't be adding features rapidly?

You'll not of noticed the placeholder for Opera Link either then - "more tools.. synchronise" in the menu which says "We're working to improve synchronization and make it more integrated with our next generation of browsers.
But, for now, you can use this web interface to access your bookmarks and other data.
Thanks for bearing with us."

So they're working on that too..

Edited by dangel, Jul 3 2013, 8:41am :

Right on!!

Hmm? The updater in my Opera says I have the latest version at 12.15. No problem, we can do this manually!

Hello,

Hmm... 32-bit only? Not sure if Opera has dropped support for a native 64-bit implementation, or they are just starting with 32-bit builds to start.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

For me its pre-alpha. I'll judge when beta comes out.

Edit:
Oh sht, just went to check it out, and actually 15 is supposed to be the new version...

That they dare to release a browser like that... All features here list are very very restricted usable. There is no bookmark function right now, no dragonfly (inspect element), there is no way to customize anything. Basing things are to miss.