OS X Trojan infects Macs to make virtual currency, steal credentials

It used to be the case that people could claim that Apple software wasn't susceptible to viruses, but it's not so anymore. Actually, it hasn't been for a while. Today, another Mac-borne virus was identified that uses processing power of computers to generate "Bitcoins," a virtual currency.

According to TechWorld, the Trojan uses infected Macs' video cards to generate Bitcoins. Antivirus companies said that the trojan is being distributed with legitimate software over BitTorrent. They said today that:

"This malware is complex, and performs many operations," security researchers from Mac antivirus vendor Intego warned. "It is a combination of several types of malware: It is a Trojan horse, since it is hidden inside other applications; it is a backdoor, as it opens ports and can accept commands from command and control servers; it is a stealer, as it steals data and Bitcoin virtual money; and it is a spyware, as it sends personal data to remote servers,"

The trojan actually installs a legitimate application that is used in the Bitcoin production process -- called DiabloMiner -- but configures it to distribute the coins to the creators of the virus. As the application uses the GPU to create the currency, the machine runs extremely slow as a result.

​Additionally, the trojan spies on users by taking automated screen captures and logging usernames and passwords, copying encrypted data, your Safari browsing history and more, then sending them back to the creators of the infection.

​It's clearly time for users on OS X to seriously consider installing antivirus protection, as this is pretty serious compared to other threats we've seen out there. If you're not running anything yet, there are plenty of free solutions out there.

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Let me put it this way, ANYONE can get a virus, malware, spyware, etc. Knowing how to stop most of these before they arrive at your front Ethernet Port (see what I did there) is simple. Pay for a good Antivirus such as Eset Nod32 or Equivalent. Download Malware Bytes and/or Spybot Search and Destroy. Run all regularly and you shouldn't have a problem. If you feel something isn't being found, research it yourself using the World Wide Web, like you would with a medical condition, using symptoms and recent activity (CPU activity is high and recently downloaded a lesser-known BETA game=Being lethargic and just visited a foreign country for the first time.) If worse comes to worse you visit the hospital (an IT professional [NOT THE GEEK SQUAD]) and have it returned to full health. It happens. People and Computers get sick alike. Who cares how you got it, most people just want it fixed!

Weird, i never had an infection for years on WIndows.... altought i don't play stupid Flash Games, download torrents (for real.. i just don't) or anything suspicious and my computer just work. Yes i have MSE installed, but it never warned me about an infection. People i know with macs rarely Torrent anything, they use it for work/school, but a windows machine. i know a TONS of people that download like madness and once a year i was the tech guys for them. Not anymore tought, some have learn..

ryoohki said,
Weird, i never had an infection for years on WIndows.... altought i don't play stupid Flash Games, download torrents (for real.. i just don't) or anything suspicious and my computer just work. Yes i have MSE installed, but it never warned me about an infection. People i know with macs rarely Torrent anything, they use it for work/school, but a windows machine. i know a TONS of people that download like madness and once a year i was the tech guys for them. Not anymore tought, some have learn..

I think some people are just dumb when it comes to torrenting and their lust for free stuff overrules common sense, I use MSE on my laptop, and also run Malwarebytes every so often, and neither ever finds anything on my install, I use Sophos free on OS X and it never finds anything either, so I have really clean systems or bad malware scanners

Ironic to see this thread today…I was just talking to my wife about her Windows laptop verses my Mac and she asked why I did not have virus protection. I wanted to have a truthful educated response so I did my research because I know from being a Mac use for 10 years that I have not dealt with any Spyware/Virus issues.

After some quick Googling around to understand why Macs just don't have that many Virus problems it became easily clear. Virus makers spend there time on Windows because of Windows market share (why infect 10 million when you can infect 2 billion). One BIG MAC/OSX uniqueness that I did not think of is “Windows (due to its mass market share and compatibly) is still using 10+ year old code which gives old and new viruses a solid foundation to play on. MAC/OSX does not. Apples move to the Intel chip, the destruction of PowerPC architecture, the move to native 64-bit and all the other re-writes Apple does every 5 years just about makes viruses hard to stick around. Any MAC/OSX virus created 5+ years ago will not run on a MAC today. Of the 10 viruses that are created for a MAC/OSX computer over a the past 5 years and Apple does what Microsoft does and releases patches to fix it quickly. I don't see why I want to take a 10-20 percent performance hit for that. I have a higher chance of catching a cold when I go outside each day, where my Mac has a 10 (total MAC viruses that will run on a Intel MAC) days out of 1825 days (5 years of Intel Macs existence) possibility of catching a virus. Windows Vista or higher has a 1000 (total viruses that infect Windows Vista or higher) out of 1460 (days since Vista release) possibility…..100,000 (Source: SpyBot total virus for Windows XP) out of 3650 days (10 years since XP release) if you factor in Window XP…So let me break this down so I can understand why I need anti-virus for my MAC..

I have a:

0.54 percent chance of catching a virus on my MAC. Don't need anti-virus…

68.49 percent chance using Windows Vista or Windows 7 and Windows 8, Smart to use Anti-Virus!

2739 percent chance using Windows XP. MUST USE ANTI-VIRUS!!!

For all the MAC haters out there….and I do use Windows 7 as a VM on MAC Fusion….Give it up…..Windows for years holds the trophy for virus and security concerns….The price Microsoft pays for their market dominance…I say be proud of the 100,000 XP viruses and the 1000 Windows Vista+ viruses….

Run you antivirus with a smile and watch your CPU burn 10-15 percent each time you want to access your data. Parade your technical skills when you manually remove a virus from Windows that your Anti-Virus did not stop as you paid for it to do just that…Subscribe to the annual virus definition files with haste, but know you are using the worlds fastest and most secure operating system.

Leave the rest of us alone….

Intel008 said,
Ironic to see this thread today…I was just talking to my wife about her Windows laptop verses my Mac and she asked why I did not have virus protection. I wanted to have a truthful educated response so I did my research because

...and you failed miserably. There's so many technical holes in your "research" it makes me cringe. Windows, believe it or not, has moved on in the past decade - and a raft of security features have made it a harder target to hit (and arguably more so than OSX which still lacks some modern security features like it or not). Windows 7 has much less in common than XP than you seem to think - yes MS has to maintain compatibility (all OS' do) but that doesn't mean that you have to do much more than support old APIs (rather than keeping the same code behind them). That didn't stop MS implementing ASLR, Patchguard, UAC or even just giving us the ability to run as a standard user now did it? Malware from "5+" years ago (and I say _malware_ because all this talk of viruses is utterly pointless) will find Windows 7 64bit (yes, Windows is 64bit "natively" too!!) running as a standard user, UAC on pretty hard work - incredible as it may seem to you. Anyway, deep breath and back to reality:

As others have pointed out it's down to two very salient and simple points:

1. Windows has a huge install base, it's a much more appealing target.

2. The weakest link in your security sits in front of the PC. This isn't OS specific, people are people regardless of their religious beliefs

This is "not rocket science" - it's mind numbingly obvious.

Intel008 said,
Leave the rest of us alone….

I would ask you take your own "advice" and stop posting FUD with no technical merit. It's a shame that the (very good) OSX platform is saddled with your ilk. Now that's ironic.

Edited by dangel, Nov 1 2011, 4:11pm :

Intel008 said,
.....

Most everything dangel said and:

OSX does use DECADES old code. It's built in BSD for cryin out loud, which is a UNIX variant that hasn't changed much in the last 10 years.

The *Nix factor vs windows factor is really what separates Windows exploitability from the rest.

Microsoft have done a decent job of layering security constructs of modern operatiing systems into their product, however it's it's ease of use that makes the person in front of the keyboard that much more dangerous.

I don't know many Mac users who even know what sudo is or how to use it, rendering their systems safer due to their own ignorance.

Intel008 said,

I have a:

0.54 percent chance of catching a virus on my MAC. Don't need anti-virus…

68.49 percent chance using Windows Vista or Windows 7 and Windows 8, Smart to use Anti-Virus!

2739 percent chance using Windows XP. MUST USE ANTI-VIRUS!!!

This one knows how to calculate chances /s

Intel008 said,
Ironic to see this thread today…I was just talking to my wife about her Windows laptop verses my Mac and she asked why I did not have virus protection. I wanted to have a truthful educated response so I did my research because I know from being a Mac use for 10 years that I have not dealt with any Spyware/Virus issues.

After some quick Googling around to understand why Macs just don't have that many Virus problems it became easily clear. Virus makers spend there time on Windows because of Windows market share (why infect 10 million when you can infect 2 billion). One BIG MAC/OSX uniqueness that I did not think of is “Windows (due to its mass market share and compatibly) is still using 10+ year old code which gives old and new viruses a solid foundation to play on. MAC/OSX does not. Apples move to the Intel chip, the destruction of PowerPC architecture, the move to native 64-bit and all the other re-writes Apple does every 5 years just about makes viruses hard to stick around. Any MAC/OSX virus created 5+ years ago will not run on a MAC today. Of the 10 viruses that are created for a MAC/OSX computer over a the past 5 years and Apple does what Microsoft does and releases patches to fix it quickly. I don't see why I want to take a 10-20 percent performance hit for that. I have a higher chance of catching a cold when I go outside each day, where my Mac has a 10 (total MAC viruses that will run on a Intel MAC) days out of 1825 days (5 years of Intel Macs existence) possibility of catching a virus. Windows Vista or higher has a 1000 (total viruses that infect Windows Vista or higher) out of 1460 (days since Vista release) possibility…..100,000 (Source: SpyBot total virus for Windows XP) out of 3650 days (10 years since XP release) if you factor in Window XP…So let me break this down so I can understand why I need anti-virus for my MAC..

I have a:

0.54 percent chance of catching a virus on my MAC. Don't need anti-virus…

68.49 percent chance using Windows Vista or Windows 7 and Windows 8, Smart to use Anti-Virus!

2739 percent chance using Windows XP. MUST USE ANTI-VIRUS!!!

For all the MAC haters out there….and I do use Windows 7 as a VM on MAC Fusion….Give it up…..Windows for years holds the trophy for virus and security concerns….The price Microsoft pays for their market dominance…I say be proud of the 100,000 XP viruses and the 1000 Windows Vista+ viruses….

Run you antivirus with a smile and watch your CPU burn 10-15 percent each time you want to access your data. Parade your technical skills when you manually remove a virus from Windows that your Anti-Virus did not stop as you paid for it to do just that…Subscribe to the annual virus definition files with haste, but know you are using the worlds fastest and most secure operating system.

Leave the rest of us alone….


Why would your Media Access Control need antivirus protection? Unless you mean a Mac, then you would because it's common knowledge that it's the most vulnerable OS known to date. So if there's "hardly" any viruses for Macs, why are there antiviruses? Were you dropped on the head as a baby and believed whatever an old man tells you? Did you get in his van because he promised candy was in there?

Also COMODO Internet Security Premium doesn't even use 1% of CPU for me. I could install at least 10 antivirus suites before even 1% is used, why is that? Because my machine is infinitely superior to yours. I suggest you search more thoroughly in the future before spouting nonsense.

Memories are short. Before OSX, Macs would get viruses and worms all the times, more then wiindows systems, but OSX changed that, made it harder, but not impossible. Most Mac people believe that Macs are immune to viruses and worms and that you can't protect windows machines enough (go to Microcenter store or apple store and ask, they will state this as gospel), any system is capable of being infected the issue with Macs is the current vector being used in the last several attacks gave full root access without any warning and were way to easy. It needs to be tightened up.

Actually it's a Trojan which is not a virus. There is a distinction. This is installed with the users consent, so it's not a Mac flaw. This would also not be considered a flaw on Windows since it was part of another program, but I'm sure it makes the fanboys happy anyway.

tmaxxtigger said,
Actually it's a Trojan which is not a virus. There is a distinction. This is installed with the users consent, so it's not a Mac flaw. This would also not be considered a flaw on Windows since it was part of another program, but I'm sure it makes the fanboys happy anyway.

Nowadays, the term "virus" is used as a synonym of malware.

So, this is a stupid question I'm sure, but what in the world is this "virtual currency" it's stealing? I mean, as it's spyware as well, I suppose they could probably get into your financial institution websites too, but that would be different than what the article is discussing where it's using the computer to generate "virtual money"...?

M_Lyons10 said,
So, this is a stupid question I'm sure, but what in the world is this "virtual currency" it's stealing? I mean, as it's spyware as well, I suppose they could probably get into your financial institution websites too, but that would be different than what the article is discussing where it's using the computer to generate "virtual money"...?

Maybe it steals your WoW money

M_Lyons10 said,
So, this is a stupid question I'm sure, but what in the world is this "virtual currency" it's stealing? I mean, as it's spyware as well, I suppose they could probably get into your financial institution websites too, but that would be different than what the article is discussing where it's using the computer to generate "virtual money"...?

You could be using your graphics card to make virtual money for yourself, which seems to be the purpose of the legitimate software, instead of it making money for whoever is behind the Trojan.

Have never even touched a Mac in my life, but just the name of the "legitimate" file, DiabloMiner, would make me weary. Anything that's doing any "mining" doesn't sound good!!

Anyone know off the top of their head how many virus' there are total for Macs now? How about Linux?

Depends on what your definition is of "virus". There are currently no true self-replicating viruses out in the wild for Mac OS X that actually infect files and spread on their own. There are a handful of different malware threats with different variations of basically the same thing.

.Neo said,
Depends on what your definition is of "virus". There are currently no true self-replicating viruses out in the wild for Mac OS X that actually infect files and spread on their own. There are a handful of different malware threats with different variations of basically the same thing.

There aren't many new viruses for WIndows either. They're much harder to create and much easier to detect. Even worms are winding down.

Something I can't stand about these articles is why they don't immediately provide readers with a guide so people know what to look out for (processes in Activity Monitor) and what files to remove to fix things.

.Neo said,
Something I can't stand about these articles is why they don't immediately provide readers with a guide so people know what to look out for (processes in Activity Monitor) and what files to remove to fix things.

Let me put it this way, if you have recently downloaded said file off of BT, and you notice that A: You are not recieving the BitCoins and B: Your Big-Mac-attack is slow as crap, odds are: your infected. After that all you have to do is run an antivirus and antimalware to-.... Ohwait..

Ah yes, the ignorant masses of Apple fans will love this one. Funny how Windows was always an "insecure" platform and it never had anything to do with the fact that so few people used anything else that it wasn't worth the time of virus-makers to write anything for anything other than Windows. Well, now that every hipster and their mother owns a Mac, you can expect a lot more "PC problems" to be coming your way, and since so many Mac users flocked to Apple because they couldn't figure out how to keep viruses off their PC, you can bet the Mac store will be making a hefty profit on software repairs in the coming years. People are such tools.

Slayer said,
Ah yes, the ignorant masses of Apple fans will love this one. Funny how Windows was always an "insecure" platform and it never had anything to do with the fact that so few people used anything else that it wasn't worth the time of virus-makers to write anything for anything other than Windows. Well, now that every hipster and their mother owns a Mac, you can expect a lot more "PC problems" to be coming your way, and since so many Mac users flocked to Apple because they couldn't figure out how to keep viruses off their PC, you can bet the Mac store will be making a hefty profit on software repairs in the coming years. People are such tools.

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

speedstr3789 said,

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

That's because you missed the part about market share. Thank you for being a shining example of the kind of retard my post was talking about.

speedstr3789 said,

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

You really are stupid and ignorant if you believe that. Windows had 90%+ market share, where Apple had a measly 5%. If you were creating malware, which platform would you want to infect - the one with the most users or the one where there's few users?

OS X is also not very secure as people think it is. It can be penetrated very easily. PWN2OWN contest - the Mac was hacked first, and might I add in 10 seconds.

speedstr3789 said,

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

Which is not because OSX is more secure than Windows. Windows has security features that OSX can't even touch. The reason Macs aren't infected more is solely because it's such a small market share that it isn't really worth it to them as much as it is to target Windows. I kind of figured that was rather obvious though.

At the risk of being called a tool, stupid, and/or ignorant but I always thought, and this was true during the XP heyday, that Windows was the main target because it had a large group of people logged in as admin. Windows wasn't the target just because of its massive market share, but because it was also easier for viruses and malware to take control of a system.

speedstr3789 said,

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

Ouch... such harsh language for someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. But I'll let the others tell you were you went wrong.

Slayer said,
Ah yes, the ignorant masses of Apple fans will love this one. Funny how Windows was always an "insecure" platform and it never had anything to do with the fact that so few people used anything else that it wasn't worth the time of virus-makers to write anything for anything other than Windows. Well, now that every hipster and their mother owns a Mac, you can expect a lot more "PC problems" to be coming your way, and since so many Mac users flocked to Apple because they couldn't figure out how to keep viruses off their PC, you can bet the Mac store will be making a hefty profit on software repairs in the coming years. People are such tools.

How much would anyone bet this guy is a Microsoft fanboy.

omgben said,
....

You are correct. Vista introduced 'least priveledged user' for all process execution, as well as refined DEP (available in XP SP3) and introduced a feature OSX had first, ASLR.

A review of Vista vs OSX 10.3 showed that Microsoft's ASLR implementation was better, but both were good at mixing up which memory addresses contained which code/data.

OSX (and other *Nix systems) still do a better job of storing passwords according to hacker journal 2600.

tsupersonic said,
You really are stupid and ignorant if you believe that. Windows had 90%+ market share, where Apple had a measly 5%. If you were creating malware, which platform would you want to infect - the one with the most users or the one where there's few users?

Marketshare blah blah blah. It doesn't change the fact that Windows was polluted with virus and malware and macs wern't. The reason means little. The fact remains true. Fools

OS X is also not very secure as people think it is. It can be penetrated very easily. PWN2OWN contest - the Mac was hacked first, and might I add in 10 seconds.

speedstr3789 said,
Marketshare blah blah blah. It doesn't change the fact that Windows was polluted with virus and malware and macs wern't. The reason means little. The fact remains true. Fools

Are you retarded?

Coi said,

Are you retarded?
I didn't see his reply, and I don't have him blocked/ignored. Weird. Anyways, yeah, speedstr isn't getting the point here. Windows is only "polluted" with malware because of marketshare. If OS X has enough marketshare to even matter or had 90%, it would be polluted with malware.

TsMkLg068426 said,

How much would anyone bet this guy is a Microsoft fanboy.

I'll take all of them for any amount. Linux 4 lyfe, nah mean?

tsupersonic said,
I didn't see his reply, and I don't have him blocked/ignored. Weird. Anyways, yeah, speedstr isn't getting the point here. Windows is only "polluted" with malware because of marketshare. If OS X has enough marketshare to even matter or had 90%, it would be polluted with malware.

If this info is correct, Mac is also polluted.

Despite commonly held beliefs that Apple products draw less attention from attackers, some statistics seem to buck that notion, he says. For example, over the past three years, 1,151 common vulnerabilities and exposures (major bugs) have affected Apple products, including third party software. The number for Windows is 1,325, not that much higher, Stamos says.

http://www.networkworld.com/ne...ackhat-apple-microsoft.html

speedstr3789 said,

I don't own a mac but even I can understand how much of ignorant and uneducated reply you decided to give. Apple never HAD to worry about virus's or malware. It's a fact that you need to get thru your thick head. Windows WAS an insecure platform you tool. Comparing the total infections that macs get vs. Windows is so flipping ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand your ignorant comment.

WRONG...your reply isnt any better. Windows is attacked more simply because MORe people use Windows. Windows is used more in businesses that contain data people want to steal.

Thast what you Mac users dont seem to understand. No one is going to waste time writing a sophistocated attack vector for macs used at schools, or media production. If those Macs were being used by a user to access credit card information or medical info or military info, it would be different.

Windows runs on 90% of todays PC's while Macs and and Linux are the nich products. Its not that Windows is easier to infect, it is just more worth the effort.

Look at the last pawn to own. The Mac attack vector which the hacker said took only a couple days to write worked in less than 60 secs. This vs Windows where the attack vector too several months to write and it still took 30 mins to gain access succesfully. Do the math...

If they wanted to get into Macs it woudl be easy, easier than you guys think it is. Its just not work the time and effort. I mean if you remote access a mac, what you going to steal? Music? Videos? Porn?

I mean the 3 markets where macs are used most are, Education (which if you had such you woudl know), Media Production and Advertising.

So what is in those businesses worth stealing? Oh wait let me steal an ad that I can just record off tv? Let me steal music I can steal online anyways? Let me see what test are coming up this week so I can get the answers?

Thsi vs getting access to a user account on Windows where this person works directly with peoples credit, or military info that is a high ranking user, or maybe banking information and more.

Stop trying to act like Apple is not vuneralble to attacks. They are easily as Windows is. Its just never been worth it.

However we said over and over, one OSX gets a bigger share, it will have the same issues as Windows. if the roles were reverse and OSX ws 90% and Windows was 5%, we'd al be saying the same exact things.

If you were smart, you would understand that. But Thats the problem with Mac fans, they arent smart. Bec if they were, they wouldnt get infected using Windows either. I use Windows everyday and in 30 years I have had 1 infection and I dont even run anti-virus software on my PC.

I do however use a Linux Live disk and boot and install the most recebnt virus definitions and do a scan. Other than a few apps I downloaded off a torrant that I know has trojans, I never find anything else.

So what am I do others dont? I dont visit porn sites that arent trusted ones, I dont pirate software (anymore) and I dont open email from addresses I dont know. I never open files in email and if one is attached I forward it to an address where I am sure it is scanned before I open. I only use the browser to visit trusted sites and I only download software from the original maker of it. Not from 3rd parties.

Simple things that will prevent viruses from ever getting on your pc in the first place. Sadly people think they can use PC any kind of way. if you take your bad habits from Windows and use them in Linux or OSX, you will still have the same problems. The issue isn't the OS, its always the user.

Facst show that 99% of the issues surrounding computers is cause by what is in between the keyboard and the chair. computers can get infected on their own. It si simply and nearly 100% impossible.

tsupersonic said,
I didn't see his reply, and I don't have him blocked/ignored.

That's because he wrote his reply inside the quote ;D

Uplift said,
Now all they need to do is find someone who actually downloads legitimate software over BitTorrent.

Yeah, anyone that is doing that should know what to expect really...

cleverclogs said,
Maybe Microsoft should produce a Security Essentials suite for Mac...

Alternatively, Apple will most likely put out a patch through Software Update.

.Neo said,

Alternatively, Apple will most likely put out a patch through Software Update.

2 years from now when they get around to it...

cleverclogs said,
Maybe Microsoft should produce a Security Essentials suite for Mac...

That isn't a bad idea and it wont be the first time Microsoft has saved Apple haha.

cleverclogs said,
Maybe Microsoft should produce a Security Essentials suite for Mac...

Sophos already provides a completely free antivirus program for macs.

M_Lyons10 said,

2 years from now when they get around to it...


Except Apple responded fairly quickly the last couple of times.

.Neo said,

Except Apple responded fairly quickly the last couple of times.

They did, but they need to do something to prevent it from happening in the first place rather than fixing ex post facto.

.Neo said,

Alternatively, Apple will most likely put out a patch through Software Update.

Actually this one is alot more difficult. Apple will have a difficult time trying to patch this one. The problem is that the patch might hinder useless of other good applications.

styxrtp said,

Sophos already provides a completely free antivirus program for macs.

BUT MACS DON'T NEED AN ANTIVIRUS!! That's part of their selling point!

There's a fine line between being naive and paranoid. For those who have switched to mac from PC, know that you can never be completely immune to threats out there. Trojans, Viruses, Worms, any any other forms of malware do exist. I run Sophos on both of my macs with the built in firewalls turned on. Does it hurt to have them on? no. Is there a price for peace of mind either in doing so? Both having the firewall and antivirus are free, and even though the most of the viruses that the antiviruses block are windows viruses, they do get updated for any malware that eventually gets coded for macs.

Open Minded said,

BUT MACS DON'T NEED AN ANTIVIRUS!! That's part of their selling point!

Open Minded said,

BUT MACS DON'T NEED AN ANTIVIRUS!! That's part of their selling point!

WHEN AND WHERE DID APPLE EVER SAY MAC IS VIRUS FREE TROLL? ALSO, TO BE INFECTED BY THIS BS YOU WILL HAVE TO INSTALL UNLIKE YOUR PRECIOUS MICROSOFT JUST DOWNLOADING INFECTS YOUR PC.


Sorry for all caps but this kind retarded posts I see every time is getting ridiculously old and the only idiot who might need to install an antivirus are the people who go to stupid sites and download crap from P2P or BitTorrent so get over your stupidity and learn how to use a Mac and a ****ing PC before coming in here starting such old BS.

TsMkLg068426 said,

WHEN AND WHERE DID APPLE EVER SAY MAC IS VIRUS FREE TROLL? ALSO, TO BE INFECTED BY THIS BS YOU WILL HAVE TO INSTALL UNLIKE YOUR PRECIOUS MICROSOFT JUST DOWNLOADING INFECTS YOUR PC.


Sorry for all caps but this kind retarded posts I see every time is getting ridiculously old and the only idiot who might need to install an antivirus are the people who go to stupid sites and download crap from P2P or BitTorrent so get over your stupidity and learn how to use a Mac and a ****ing PC before coming in here starting such old BS.

You realize he was being sarcastic right. And just and FYI, Mac fanboys do the same thing when something comes out about PC problems. Just stick to what you have and stop being so snooty when it comes to hardware, either way we all use computer in general for the same purposes, Internet, Media, (More recently for Mac) gaming, etc. Who cares about what platform your doign it on. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill. Expecially you.

SSCorporal said,

You realize he was being sarcastic right. And just and FYI, Mac fanboys do the same thing when something comes out about PC problems. Just stick to what you have and stop being so snooty when it comes to hardware, either way we all use computer in general for the same purposes, Internet, Media, (More recently for Mac) gaming, etc. Who cares about what platform your doign it on. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill. Expecially you.

To let you know I have an iMac, Dell Desktop and notebook so I am no fanboy because each hardware and OS do their own thing. I just get annoyed and tired with this stupidity of PC and Mac fanboys.

TsMkLg068426 said,

WHEN AND WHERE DID APPLE EVER SAY MAC IS VIRUS FREE TROLL? ALSO, TO BE INFECTED BY THIS BS YOU WILL HAVE TO INSTALL UNLIKE YOUR PRECIOUS MICROSOFT JUST DOWNLOADING INFECTS YOUR PC..

I've seen a TV ad where it says : "Mac is virus free", so yeah some people actually believe that .

oliver182 said,

I've seen a TV ad where it says : "Mac is virus free", so yeah some people actually believe that .

No, you haven't because no such ad was made. Humans are very susceptible to something called "false memory"/

oliver182 said,

I've seen a TV ad where it says : "Mac is virus free", so yeah some people actually believe that .

Do you have a link to this ad? I remember the I'm a Mac commercials said something about viruses, so I looked those up on Youtube. They didn't come out and say, "Mac is virus free," just that the Windows (PC) viruses don't affect the Mac.

styxrtp said,
There's a fine line between being naive and paranoid. For those who have switched to mac from PC, know that you can never be completely immune to threats out there. Trojans, Viruses, Worms, any any other forms of malware do exist. I run Sophos on both of my macs with the built in firewalls turned on. Does it hurt to have them on? no. Is there a price for peace of mind either in doing so? Both having the firewall and antivirus are free, and even though the most of the viruses that the antiviruses block are windows viruses, they do get updated for any malware that eventually gets coded for macs.

I been using Windows since Windows 3.1. Only once have I ever had a virus and that was after installing Windows Server 2000. There was a bug that gets in that was wild on the web through an unprotected port. On a fresh install there is no way to close the port until you load it first. But it was easily removed.

The next time tho, I slipstreamed the patch into the OS before install to solve future problems. After that, I have neverhad any infections using Windows.

The way I see it, only an idiot can get one.

TsMkLg068426 said,

To let you know I have an iMac, Dell Desktop and notebook so I am no fanboy because each hardware and OS do their own thing. I just get annoyed and tired with this stupidity of PC and Mac fanboys.

I wasn't calling you a Mac fanboy, I said they do the same thing.

Finally might have something to shove the Mac users way at work! Going on yer macs dont get problems you should ditch all the PC's and get macs they be more secure and better etc.
Yes because I'm going to ditch the PC's at work.............

DonC said,
It's time to stop installing pirated software!

I quote from the report......
Antivirus companies said that the trojan is being distributed with legitimate software over BitTorrent.

AIMS said,

I quote from the report......
Antivirus companies said that the trojan is being distributed with legitimate software over BitTorrent.


Are you ****ing kidding me?

Jebadiah said,

Are you ****ing kidding me?

BitTorrent is a viable platform for software distribution. Many legal distros of linux use torrent.
I don't know personally of legitimate Mac software that is distributed this way, but sounds plausable.

I can see where this would overheat Macs in an instant because their design principals are so aesthetically oriented. Bitcoin mining is tough work, regardless of the FPS you put on the kernel.

Reacon said,
I can see where this would overheat Macs in an instant because their design principals are so aesthetically oriented. Bitcoin mining is tough work, regardless of the FPS you put on the kernel.

What you're saying would mean any Mac could overheat on a daily basis during normal operations as well, which isn't the case. Your Mac's hardware won't allow it to run hotter beyond the technical specifications. Even if something would go very wrong and your Mac starts to overheat OS X will automatically force a shut down, overwriting any software that might interfere.

Reacon said,
I can see where this would overheat Macs in an instant because their design principals are so aesthetically oriented. Bitcoin mining is tough work, regardless of the FPS you put on the kernel.

There may be some truth to that. I had a Mac Pro that destroyed 7 hard drives and 4 video cards because of poor thermal management. I had to get a separate NAS and run it with the worst graphics option to prevent any more casualties. Then the Macbook Pro I have now gets uncomfortably hot really fast and has a loud fan that comes on even when I'm just browsing photos in Aperture. The Powerbooks were way better in that respect.

.Neo said,

Even if something would go very wrong and your Mac starts to overheat OS X will automatically force a shut down, overwriting any software that might interfere.

I wish that were true. I've melted two boards in my Late2007 MacBookPro, and even now that it sits on several fans, the monitor is again showing signs of heat distress. Don't get me wrong, I like the MBP, but even the internal sensors show the current temperature at 96C.

pseudoWin said,

I wish that were true. I've melted two boards in my Late2007 MacBookPro, and even now that it sits on several fans, the monitor is again showing signs of heat distress. Don't get me wrong, I like the MBP, but even the internal sensors show the current temperature at 96C.

That's bizarre. I've never seen the temperatures in my early 2008 Macbook Pro go beyond the mid 70's for the processor, and the 80's for the graphics chip. I frequently use Aperture (taps both processor and graphics card) and Handbrake... the fans do a fine job. Are you in an extremely warm climate, or is something blocking your computer's heat dissipation?

Another note, your Macbook Pro uses the nVidia 8600 GT M graphics card (as does mine). That graphics chip has a design fault that causes it to fail. I don't know what symptoms your monitor is showing, but Apple recently extended coverage for issues relating to that graphics card by yet another year. It might be worth taking your system in to an Apple store so that they can test it. If that's the issue, they'll replace the system board at no charge to you.