Paul Thurrott: Windows XP Service Pack 3 Not Coming

The title for this newspost is easily the most significant of all 12 Short Takes Paul Thurrott has put together for the week of April 9. "If you were looking for any glimpse into the mind of Microsoft, this is it: The company has completely abandoned Windows XP, and it has absolutely no plans to ever ship an XP SP3." The majority of the Short Takes have already been posted up on our front page, the rest are simply speculation on Paul's part. Here are the individual headlines:

  • Microsoft Considers Near-Free Zune Model
  • Microsoft Releases Home Server SDK
  • Hungarian Notation Creator Heads to Space
  • Microsoft Threatens Poster of Vista SP1 Info
  • The Truth About Vista SP1
  • And What About Windows XP Service Pack 3?
  • Microsoft Preps Longhorn Server Beta 3
  • In Wake of Lawsuit, Microsoft Changes Vista Logo Branding
  • Microsoft Moves Hotmail Plus to 4 GB as Yahoo! Goes Unlimited
  • Acer Notebook Sales Surge
  • Sony Cuts PSP Price
  • Microsoft Improves Xbox 360 Warranty... Again
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Quick, everyone switch to Mac or Linux!

One person posts their opinion which has no basis on fact and Neowinians go hay-wire.

Besides, we know that half of what he said isn't true to begin with. If Microsoft "completely abandoned" Windows XP then there would be no updates for it now would there?

Let's wait and react to actual news, not speculation.

This is not news, Microsoft has never said any such thing and SP3 is still on the schedule. Just Paul Thurrot spreading FUD.

The majority of users out there couldn't care less for SP3. We/you are a small minority that "care" about "SP3" but that's it.

Microsoft is seriously abandoning their customers.

Now while I don't need XP SP3 I just think how they are currently handling things and trying to force Vista upgrades is really wrong.

I personally consider "RyanVM's Post-SP2 Update Pack" such a security rollup + some nifty additions. Any serious IT administrator should be aware of Ryan's work in this field.

It's not confirmed. It's just what one author feels, it isn't confirmed news.

Windows XP still has many years to go. The product support is officially on till 2014. So whether or not Microsoft releases SP3 isn't of much concern, as long as product updates and hotfixes continue.

For those of you worrying about the long list of updates that have to be installed post-sp2, consider using integrating the latest RyanVM pack.

Personally, I'm pretty sure SP3 will be out, if not, there will atleast be a security rollup that'll include all the post-sp2 critical fixes.

wth? windows xp is on support untill 2014, microsoft is not dropping it all (in fact, sp3 will be released by the first halve of 2008, this is official from microsoft people!), why do people still listen to paul 'nutjob' thurrot

They need to release an SP3, if just for the sake of rolling up all previously released hotfixes and patches into a single package.

Personally, I'm using XP x64, and having SP2 for that (and Win2K3) released last month makes a reinstall *so* much quicker. Real nice to do a clean OS install, go to Windows Update, and see you no longer have 100+MB worth of patches to download already. A lot of the machines I use however have to stick to XP 32-bit, so I would still welcome SP3.

that's it...
my next computer will be a mac... I never thought I would say that...
we have a test machine at work with vista on it and we installed maya and combustion on it... maya runs like crap and combustion is even worst...

MS completely ditched OGL support and that's just too bad....
bye bye windows

Vista has some nice features and will quickly become established. People said the same negative things about XP and nearly everyone uses it now.
MS should continue to support XP and release SP3 but if not, there is Autopatcher.

Has anyone ever thought that since XP and 2000 were so similar that it was simple for Microsoft to continuously release patches and updates for both, but now that Vista is so much different than XP, it's not so easy?

To be fair all these news about MS made me worry ...
why abadon XP when there is so huge base of firm customers who would like to see SP3 for wXP more than SP1 for Vista ...
it's sad that lame PR decisions wins over logic ...

For me Windows XP is dead since 30 January 2007, when I bought and installed Windows Vista.
Bye Bye Windows XP
I love Windows Vista

That's what I hate about microsoft, when they ship a new product they completely abandon the previous one. They have done it with Xbox and now they will be doing it with XP. It's like they hate this previous product did ever exist. And they will be doing the same with Xbox 360 and Vista once there successor is born...

Avenger 2.0 said,
That's what I hate about microsoft, when they ship a new product they completely abandon the previous one. They have done it with Xbox and now they will be doing it with XP. It's like they hate this previous product did ever exist. And they will be doing the same with Xbox 360 and Vista once there successor is born...

I'll give you the Xbox but not with there PC products. If anything, the level of support MS puts into Windows and other software they make is what's holding it back and causing problems.

The sheer level of support for backwords compatibility with hardware and software on Windows is mind blowing. The legecy support is what's giving people problems in the first place, be it with security, or stability. People bitch when something doesn't work, but also bitch about how bloated Windows is and that they need to get rid of all the legecy code. You can't have it both ways you know.

When SP2 came out, they cut down on the "support" for older things a bit, and broke some apps, and everyone here + their grandmom bitched and moaned about it. Now we get some speculation about SP3 from Paul, no official word on it from MS, and people yet again bitch and moan. XP's normal support will last until 2009, and iirc extended support until 2012? That's MORE then enough support for an OS many of you probably didn't even buy in the first place.

The bottom line is this. If we don't get an SP3, we'll get an SR1, only difference between the two is that SRs only have security updates while SPs have all the optional downloads many of you don't even get off of Windows Update. And maybe a few tweaks to the UI and other minor fixes. SP2 for XP was a "special" case, MS has said this lots of times. You will not get another big SP like it in the future, no grande new features will be pushed out with SPs and so on. Until MS says something about not doing SP3 officially, I will take what Paul wrote as him ranting yet again. Until then, we'll just wait for 2008 (which was the plan anyways), to see if we get SP3 or not.

Turion said,
OK let's do a class action law suit on MS if they actually do say they won't provide it.
That's like saying, "Let's do a class-action lawsuit for not releasing a service pack for Windows 3.x in 1998".

Yes, they reduced their number of operating systems down to one. But the true 32-bit operating systems have always had more than a three-year life-span, and NT5.1 has had six.

MS extended support for the hybrid 9x systems at least once...well beyond the projected life-span of those operating systems. MS has not abandoned XP, and will continue to support XP (and NT5) with updates over the next couple of years. It just won't be as service packs...as far as we know (those analysts have been proven wrong a few times before, ya know)

I think it was pretty irresponsible for him to say this like it's a fact. My respectometer for him just dropped another notch.

SP2B is just SP2 plus the IE6 ActiveX changes mandated by the Eolas lawsuit. They did the same thing for SP1 when they released SP1a which removed the MSJVM.

Okay, if this was true, it would really **** me off. However, it is only spectulation. My gut feeling is Microsoft will release XP SP3. He didn't say Microsoft would actually cut us off with XP SP3, just that he THINKS they will, because SP3 kept getting delayed. But, if memory serves me correctly, Windows 2000 still got plenty of SP's after XP was released, and Microsoft had focus on XP, but they still focused on 2000 and even 98/Me for a short time after XP. So, if history indicates correctly, XP will still receive updates and a SP3, but right now Microsoft is focusing mostly on Vista. Make sense?

I could be wrong, though, so don't take my words as pure gold.

Just my 2 pennies.

EDIT: I looked this up on the web, and while the article is out of date, this pretty much makes sense:

"There could be another reason, according to Rob Enderle, principle analyst with The Enderle Group: Microsoft doesn't want to promote XP. 'They want to put all the focus on Vista and not have an XP service pack come out in a Vista launch year,' he said. 'If they do a major refresh during the launch of a new OS, then people will get confused. They want the message to be clear, to move the customer to Vista and not patch XP.' " (Source: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3639101)

So, right now, the focus on Vista is more bigger... but once people get used to Vista, which is a year later from now, in 2008, then Microsoft will bring back some focus on XP and focus on cleaning out XP issues.

if there is not a service pack this year it will hurt Microsoft in the reliability/dependability department. this will not go unpunished.

werejag said,
if there is not a service pack this year it will hurt Microsoft in the reliability/dependability department. this will not go unpunished.

Really? Will it? And who are you? The punisher? Come on now. I plan to stick with XP too, but I could give a care less WHAT they release for it. If you know what you're doing, your computer should be relatively stable, and if you're not an idiot, you really don't have much to fear.

werejag said,
if there is not a service pack this year it will hurt Microsoft in the reliability/dependability department. this will not go unpunished.

I really don't see what you would lose in reliability from not having SP3. I mean, XP SP2 is a very stable OS, and really, there's very little that Microsoft should feel obliged to do to it apart from continuing to release new hotfixes etc. What would definitely be nice is a SR. Which they might as well call SP3 if it stops people like you from whining.

Evil Cretin said,

I really don't see what you would lose in reliability from not having SP3. I mean, XP SP2 is a very stable OS, and really, there's very little that Microsoft should feel obliged to do to it apart from continuing to release new hotfixes etc. What would definitely be nice is a SR. Which they might as well call SP3 if it stops people like you from whining.

reliability dependability aspects im talking about is microsoft's credibilty

at the least they should just come out with a rollup patch for everything. sp2b if they want to. you don't have to add new features just make it easier for those who still deploy xp to repatch it, if they don't use imaging.

There are many Hotfixes that have been done since SP2 was released in Aug. 2004 that have not been released to Windows Update. They are only available from MS Support. Many if not all would be included in SP3. If MS just does a final security patch roll-up, these Hotfixes would not be included.

M118LR said,
There are many Hotfixes that have been done since SP2 was released in Aug. 2004 that have not been released to Windows Update. They are only available from MS Support. Many if not all would be included in SP3. If MS just does a final security patch roll-up, these Hotfixes would not be included.

This is true. At work we use one of these hotfixes to solve a problem and it'd be better if we could get an SP3 with all these merged in

MS must really want to get Vista adoption to get going better.

On the other hand, the reason many plan to stay on XP SP2 quite a while longer is because it's already in such a good shape.
MS has also already basically released an SP3 in all their post-SP2 security patches and hotfixes, all that's missing is more or less the packaging.

Christ people moan when they release patches and they moan when they don't! Make your minds up people......im personally don't think it needs another service pack, its pretty solid as it is.

werejag said,
i think it atleast needs a sp3 for a tie up all patches and to prove that microsoft is a honest company.

You can tie up all patches since SP2 with a security rollup like they did with Win2k. I'm pretty sure you can slipstream SRs just like you can SPs to your XP installs. IF they don't SP3 for a SR1 it makes little or no difference. Only in the name of what you'll have to download.

And again, MS hasn't said anything official about SP3 for XP. You're going off of Pauls rants, unless MS says "We're not doing SP3 for XP.", I'll hold off on bitching just yet.

GP007 said,

You can tie up all patches since SP2 with a security rollup like they did with Win2k. I'm pretty sure you can slipstream SRs just like you can SPs to your XP installs. IF they don't SP3 for a SR1 it makes little or no difference. Only in the name of what you'll have to download.

And again, MS hasn't said anything official about SP3 for XP. You're going off of Pauls rants, unless MS says "We're not doing SP3 for XP.", I'll hold off on bitching just yet.

that just it microsoft doesnt and wont say. there was a promise for a sp3 in spring this year if i remember.

if this is how Microsoft is going to treat their older customers i weep for Microsoft. this will not go unpunished. hopefully enough people wake up and punish Microsoft for its misgivings.

Express said,
Oh come on. You have got constant updates for over six years. You didn't have buy a new OS every two years.

don't be a Microsoft sycophant.

werejag said,

don't be a Microsoft sycophant.


That word doesn't apply, since what he said is 100% accurate and verifiable.

Joel said,

That word doesn't apply, since what he said is 100% accurate and verifiable.

that word very much applies due to his close minded suck up to microsoft and is 100% accurate and verifiable.

werejag said,

that word very much applies due to his close minded suck up to microsoft and is 100% accurate and verifiable.


blablabla
So much stupidity, lol

werejag said,

that word very much applies due to his close minded suck up to microsoft and is 100% accurate and verifiable.


And let me guess, you are an Apple fanboy.

"The company has completely abandoned Windows XP"

Fine by me. I've already abandoned MS Windows Vista, long before its release !

I have Win XP Pro SP2 archived, and I'm sure I'll get along just fine until at least 2010.

I've read absolutely nothing inspiring about Vista, and it seems the height of silliness to by an OS that will be 'obsolete' and replaced in 24 months.

Hum said,
I've read absolutely nothing inspiring about Vista, and it seems the height of silliness to by an OS that will be 'obsolete' and replaced in 24 months. :happy:

Yeah, that Windows 98 was such a failure.

The company has completely abandoned Windows XP, and it has absolutely no plans to ever ship an XP SP3

How nice. So, move to vista or die. And when vista gets discontinued, this story will be the same. That would be in about... 2 years :P

Ok they may not need a SP3 but they need a damn Rollup package, i'm sick of installing 85 updates on a clean install machine with SP2 integrated. Who agrees?

Intelligen said,
Ok they may not need a SP3 but they need a damn Rollup package, i'm sick of installing 85 updates on a clean install machine with SP2 integrated. Who agrees?

I would agree, but since I've moved on to using 2003 as a workstation, it just isn't that important to me.

Why is another service pack needed for XP, is their anymore unneeded junk like the firewall that 99.98% of people must disable to put in?

They should spend the time on Vista SP1 and put something thats worthwhile in it!

trip21 said,
Why is another service pack needed for XP, is their anymore unneeded junk like the firewall that 99.98% of people must disable to put in?

They should spend the time on Vista SP1 and put something thats worthwhile in it!

Because we paid the same amount of money for XP as we do for Vista so we expect support, not to be dropped on a new product cycle. Service Packs clean-up the amount of installation overlap and registry mess created by installing the dozens if not hundreds of patches provided through Windows Update. A single Service Pack makes management of base installations much simpler.

toadeater said,

They should can Vista entirely.


I dispise Vista as it is. You can read all over the place here about that. Vista doesn't need to die. It needs a SP or two. It could be a great OS if they [MS] take the time to make it that way. In any case, unless most of the memory caching bugs have been fixed, I'll be waiting for W7.

MrCobra said,
.. Vista doesn't need to die. It needs a SP or two. It could be a great OS if they [MS] take the time to make it that way.

Yes, coz the 5 years they spent to develop it wasn't long enough


Exactly

sp3 . . not a huge deal to me, my xp pro sp2 installs are running just fine as is, what can a new service pack bring to the table?, the OS is stable, and performance is great.

Xp is great right now until I eventually transition everything over to vista (mature drivers and probably until SP1, yes this OS needs to get a service pack for bug fixes/performance/security issues, while xp is pretty complete as is) Plus right now, I haven't bought new hardware yet (dx10) , and there aren't any must have vista only games/apps to make me switch just yet

Improve the new OS, transition away from xp . . sounds about right to me

Yeah i agree with that, no real need for a full blown SP3 as it works well at the moment and there will still be security updates. They should concentrate there efforts on vista and perfecting it, aslets face it sooner or later most of us are going to have to move over to it.

It's funny how they try to keep their customers. Don't give support, and then assume they'll go to Vista instead.

It only works because they're dominating the market.

Jugalator said,
It's funny how they try to keep their customers. Don't give support, and then assume they'll go to Vista instead.

It only works because they're dominating the market.

Jugalator you always attacked me before when i protested against microsoft. congrates

or am i mistaking yopu for another person?

I agree; MS has basically already released their SP3 by now, just in individual files.

There are huge amounts of patches released since SP2, and by the time their XP support runs out, there should definitely be an "SP3" in terms of fixes. All that's missing is the packaging.

WDGC said,

Exactly.


Bull...

I did a fresh install of XP w/ SP2 today, and Windows Update had a grand total of 71 patches for me. That's getting a bit excessive, don't you think?

Well, if they think this news is going to create a stampede toward Vista, they are sadly mistaken.

Davebo said,


Bull...

I did a fresh install of XP w/ SP2 today, and Windows Update had a grand total of 71 patches for me. That's getting a bit excessive, don't you think?

Well, if they think this news is going to create a stampede toward Vista, they are sadly mistaken.

This isn't any "news" from MS. Just more of what paul thinks/feels is going on. No official word about SP3 has been said, and just like MS doesn't talk about Vista SP1, they're not talking about XP SP3. Again, if we don't get a Service Pack, we'll get a Security Rollup, or Patch Rollup etc. This can also be slipstreamed to your XP install just like a service pack can. Nothing different at all, except the name. We're not expecting/getting any new features for XP anyways. This also lessens the need for a service pack a bit more.

Well if M$ don't release SP3 for XP then I will move over to Linux.

I can't keep shelling out for expensive computer components everytime they release a new OPS.

You only need expensive computer parts for high-end gaming and high-end work (3DSM, Maya, etc...). Vista RC2 can run on my 1.8Ghz AMD Duron PC with Radeon 9700 GFX. Hardly high-end, and thats with 512MB ram to.

so from not getting SP3 - what is the thing you will miss?

... security updates will still be issued I believe, just no major update to the OS.

that's a big mistake, they shouldn't forget about people using their older OS. They were still releasing service packs for Win2k after XP was released.....

leesmithg said,
Well if M$ don't release SP3 for XP then I will move over to Linux.
I see/hear that a lot, but mostly it is people venting - few people actually act on it.

But if you do, the *nix forums here are pretty helpful.

markjensen said,
I see/hear that a lot, but mostly it is people venting - few people actually act on it.

But if you do, the *nix forums here are pretty helpful.


really? i'll have to check it out then. I have linux on an extra harddrive i fart around with to try to learn linux, like the basic simple commands and command line functions etc. just like when i was new to windows. i've alwasy been looking for something akin to a linux for dummies guide to help me out as i try to become a linux guru.

nekrosoft13 said,

haha, good luck with that


If leesmithg plays games that aren't tied solely to Windows then *nix would be a good choice. If you don't tie yourself down to Windows apps then you don't need to be tied to Windows.

MrCobra said,

If leesmithg plays games that aren't tied solely to Windows then *nix would be a good choice. If you don't tie yourself down to Windows apps then you don't need to be tied to Windows.

There's no reason to run off to linux just because we "might" not get SP3 for XP. There has been nothing official from MS at this point, and we're only going off of what Paul thinks at this point from the delays it's had.

Even if we don't get an SP3, we'll get a Security Rollup insted, which is just what a SP is mostly minus any non-security updates they might have done. Win2k got one in 2004? Regradless, SRs are just just like SPs. XP isn't going to be getting any new features like it did with SP2, so it's not like we're missing out. If you stay up to date with updates to this point you don't lose anything. And the rollup can also be slipstreamed into your disc just like a SP can.