Microsoft's Kin phones unveiled, coming May

As we await Microsoft and Verizon's "mystery event" scheduled in just thirty minutes time, the first Project Pink handsets, currently only known as Turtle and Pure, have appeared in Verizon's inventory system and are confirmed at the Kin One and Kin Two.

Both devices are expected to hit the market in May 2010. As many of you suggested in our comments over the weekend, the Kin phones are being aimed at the younger, lower-end of the market who cannot themselves (or their parents) afford a fully-featured smartphone.

The devices will be exclusively available in the U.S. through Verizon. For more information, go to Verizon.com/KIN. Microsoft says it plans to bring the devices to Europe in "late 2010" exclusively through Vodafone. For more information, go to Vodafone.com/KIN. Basic and Premium packages will include contacts backup and unlimited texts. Microsoft's Kin site also highlights the various features of KIN.

The looks:

KIN ONE:

KIN TWO:

KIN Spot: 

Spot is about sharing, drag pictures to the spot and pick people from your contacts to share with and then hit send. Or upload something to Facebook or start a conversation.

KIN Loop:

Loop is a stream of updates on news, events, web sites and social networks. It's all in real time unless you don't want it to be.

KIN Studio:

If it's on your KIN phone, it's on your page at KIN.com. It has tons of storage and backs up your pictures, videos, messages, and friends.

Device specifications:

KIN ONE specs:

  • Form factor: Vertical slide, QWERTY 
  • Display: 2.6" TFT, QVGA (320 x 240), capacitive touch screen
  • Camera: 5.0MP CMOS anti-shake, autofocus, dual LED flash
  • Speakers: Mono
  • Memory: 256MB DDR RAM, 4GB storage
  • Battery: 1240 mAh
  • Connectivity: EV-DO Rev A, Bluetooth 2.1 w/A2DP, Hi-speed USB, 802.11b/g 
  • Other: Assisted GPS, FM radio, accelerometer

KIN TWO specs:

  • Form Factor: Vertical slide, QWERTY
  • Display: 3.4" TFT, QVGA (480 x 320), capacitive touch screen
  • Camera: 8.0MP HDR CMOS from Omnivision with anti-shake, autofocus,  Lumi LED flash    
  • Speakers: Stereo
  • Memory: 256MB DDR RAM, 8GB storage
  • Battery: 1390 mAh
  • Connectivity: EV-DO Rev A, Bluetooth 2.1 w/A2DP, Hi-speed USB, 802.11b/g
  • Other: Assisted GPS, FM radio, accelerometer

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I was puzzled about why MS would launch a pair of phones when it already sold me with Windows Phone 7, but after watching the keynote demo, they are really attractive devices that do what no other phone or device does currently, even less for the expected entry level price they will have. Is not only about the Kin phone itself, but its cloud services integration and the Kin Studio, which looks like the best social network homepage ever. I see many teenagers having fun with it, the ability to update your status, upload photos automatically GPS tagged. without having to pay the hefty price of a full smartphone...

What a crappy interface. The hardware isn't great, but that software really, really bothers me. It doesn't really seem intuitive at all.

holy crap.. who designed this phone? thats seriously ugly.. its fast. its loaded with great hardware.. but design wise.. its a crap. they did great with Zune.. why this one has to be like this? Was expecting something more beautiful than Zune.

Remember how Blackberry phone keyboard & keypad was look like back in 90s? you looking at one now.

Personally, I think this is a great product for a feature phone. It's not quite a smartphone, but it offers some great features for the socially interactive (online) market.

Two things:
- I do not understand for the life of me how Microsoft can't find a way to integrate Xbox Live in this. There simply has to be a way. This would be a massive market you'd be reaching, and it'd be reaching your target demographic, IMO.
- They need to add some sort of user-expandable memory. I thought SD was going to have cards for this, but I guess not... 4 and 8GB simply isn't enough, even for the tween market.

These are probably the best FEATURE PHONES ever made. Anyone looking for this to be a full fledged smartphone is in for a huge disappointment. It seems MS figured out that not everyone wants or needs a smartphone and this seems to be right up their alley.

lordcanti86 said,
These are probably the best FEATURE PHONES ever made. Anyone looking for this to be a full fledged smartphone is in for a huge disappointment. It seems MS figured out that not everyone wants or needs a smartphone and this seems to be right up their alley.

Absolutely. +1

sw1tch.. said,
The KIN One looks like something I would catch Pokemon on!


HAHAHA, it does. lol I personally prefer the Kin 2 (Though it isn't even targeted at me, nor would I actually buy one {I would get Windows Phone 7}). But I can see someone liking the smaller form factor. I have seen a few phones with that form factor previously as well.

Solid Knight said,
The keypads look like crap.

It also has touch-screen support (like RIM's Storm and Storm2). Also, the keyboards of the Curve/Tour/Bold aren't very sexy either (and none of them tuck away).

daniel_rh said,
Does it have SMS, Alarm, an Internet browser?

it has browser and sms. but forget about alarm since the Zune doesnt have a freaking sleep timer. in fact, people complained and begged microsoft for over a year to get a lame clock display on the device. Dont get me started with the equalizer situation.
ok?

Apart from looking a little fugly and lack of colours which I'm sure will be there eventually for special editions and such, Microsoft look to have nailed the social focus, teens and other people could be all over this. The specs are terrific. This could be the must have for most kids who can't afford an iPhone but want all the connectivity of email, browsing, wifi etc. along with music, pictures etc. They have done well with the specs. I just can't believe Microsoft have got this so right. Amazing.

WooHoo!!! said,
Apart from looking a little fugly and lack of colours which I'm sure will be there eventually for special editions and such, Microsoft look to have nailed the social focus, teens and other people could be all over this. The specs are terrific. This could be the must have for most kids who can't afford an iPhone but want all the connectivity of email, browsing, wifi etc. along with music, pictures etc. They have done well with the specs. I just can't believe Microsoft have got this so right. Amazing.

So it's not cute.

Look at the target price and the current phones at that price - other than dumbphones, you know who the biggest fish in that pond is? Surprisingly, it's Research in Motion and five BlackBerry models; Curve, Bold, Tour, original/"Classic" Storm, and the Storm 2. Of those five, only the Curve, Tour and Storm 2 can compete heads-up on features, and even then you have to choose between a physical QWERTY keyboard and touch-screen support. Meanwhile, both KIN phones have slider keyboards *and* touch support (a combo found in no BlackBerry, regardless of price). Also, as good as the BBs are (and I have a Storm2 myself), even the Storm2 is a square peg in a round hole as a non-business phone (even as inexpensive as the Storm2, Tour, or Curve are from VZW today, BBs are simply not that useful as a typical non-business cell phone, let alone a family cell phone). It's a Storm2 alternative, which features that even the S2 lacks, and it's more useful as a non-corporate phone than the S2. And that even leaves out the social-networking and multimedia stuff. Throw THOSE in, and it's RIM's worst nightmare.

Looks cool-ish. Definately not the most awesome phone out there, but it's a much more focused phone device, and with an 8MP camera with flash and a Zune HD built-in, for the right price, it could actually be kinda nice.

The iPhone is cool with the apps and all, but as a phone it pretty much sucks.

I feel hip just looking at it. Ready to get my social on!! Check out the video on kin.com, there is a guy covered in bubbles. And the interface is so cluttered, that's how we roll. Peace.

I wouldn't get a KIN phone myself just because I don't use social networks much but I can see how this might really take off with teens.

What's the deal with new Microsoft product launches building their content in flash. In this case, the Kin website. With all the hullabaloo over flash vs html5 and apple and Microsoft's own Silverlight, you'd think they'd approach new content with their own in house tools.

dotf said,
What's the deal with new Microsoft product launches building their content in flash. In this case, the Kin website. With all the hullabaloo over flash vs html5 and apple and Microsoft's own Silverlight, you'd think they'd approach new content with their own in house tools.

Different departments seem to be rather independent from what I've seen... Microsoft Money I think it was actually used a 3rd party spreadsheet control, rather than Excel Services...

Ricardo Dawkins said,
These devices are so wrong, ugly and badly designed that if you watch here:
http://www.zune.net/en-us/products/kin/default.htm

Kin One can't display the artist name. (The one in the background center)

That's the Zune UI, not the device. And its designed that way to show theres more information to the right of the screen. I believe this was only answered about a million times in the windows phone 7 stories.

Honestly, don't you get tired of trolling?

Edited by -Razorfold, Apr 12 2010, 6:44pm :

/- Razorfold said,

That's the Zune UI, not the device. And its designed that way to show theres more information to the right of the screen. I believe this was only answered about a million times in the windows phone 7 stories.

Honestly, don't you get tired of trolling?


are you blind ? i'm talking about the heading with the Artist name. I own a Zune and I know what the heck I'm talking about. the Kin One has such a small screen that the heading get heavily chopped.

We are lookling at the lower part of 3 letters. That UI doesn't work for that device. Either increase the screen size or the resolution.

Ricardo Dawkins said,

are you blind ? i'm talking about the heading with the Artist name. I own a Zune and I know what the heck I'm talking about. the Kin One has such a small screen that the heading get heavily chopped.

We are lookling at the lower part of 3 letters. That UI doesn't work for that device. Either increase the screen size or the resolution.

Umm that's the point. The Artist name isn't supposed to show completely. You have a Zune HD, you should know that.

I like the Kin 2.
8MP camera with that insane LED lighting + Zune (ZunePass) = win.
I'm not big into the social networking but being able to store my HD videos and pics immediately to Windows Live is sweet. I like the timeline Kin Studio thingy too. That's pretty sweet.

I like it, especially the built-in camera specs and Kin Studio ...it addresses the base social networking & storage needs of most consumers without being a full featured smartphone. The Kin-1 is nicer than I expected for its small footprint. I still would like to see them include Zune Pass with mobile subscription. And I hope the Kin site has some tie-ins with Live SkyDrive so photos can be accessed there as well.

I think the biggest gamechanger in the Kin platform is the cloud storage stance. from what was demonstrated a th th event, it seems like very, very, little is stored locally. In fact, the phone really seems like just a mini-portal to the content on the personal web space, the kin studio.

Even if the phone doesn't take off, expect to see this model copied in many ways.

What's with the negative feedback. This device totally makes sense and might be one of the best ideas I've seen yet from MS. If the Kin is meant for teenagers, this will be perfect for my daughter if it comes with a affordable service. Think about it, I wouldn't get my kids an iPhone, way to expensive for there use, but the Kin with a camera, video, decent storage, and catered to social networking. This is a teens dream. It's brilliant.

blueboy75 said,
What's with the negative feedback. This device totally makes sense and might be one of the best ideas I've seen yet from MS. If the Kin is meant for teenagers, this will be perfect for my daughter if it comes with a affordable service. Think about it, I wouldn't get my kids an iPhone, way to expensive for there use, but the Kin with a camera, video, decent storage, and catered to social networking. This is a teens dream. It's brilliant.

This. +1. I can imagine an average teenager seeing this and it linking right into their lives.

blueboy75 said,
What's with the negative feedback. This device totally makes sense and might be one of the best ideas I've seen yet from MS. If the Kin is meant for teenagers, this will be perfect for my daughter if it comes with a affordable service. Think about it, I wouldn't get my kids an iPhone, way to expensive for there use, but the Kin with a camera, video, decent storage, and catered to social networking. This is a teens dream. It's brilliant.

I concur. Seems like a great idea from Microsoft.

blueboy75 said,
What's with the negative feedback. This device totally makes sense and might be one of the best ideas I've seen yet from MS. If the Kin is meant for teenagers, this will be perfect for my daughter if it comes with a affordable service. Think about it, I wouldn't get my kids an iPhone, way to expensive for there use, but the Kin with a camera, video, decent storage, and catered to social networking. This is a teens dream. It's brilliant.

I agree 100%. This is what I've been trying to say as well.

MSFT still dont get it!!!
Come on, who is going to buy these phones?
These devices are as crippled as the Zune HD
- No calendar
- No notes
- No apps
- No calculator

My Nokia pre-paid dumb phone has calendar, alarm, calculator and freaking Java apps.

Gosh you're still hating on Zune over here too?! :L

Not that teenagers particularly bother with calculators, notes and calendars, again *mostly* for buisness people, though calendars are nice

you don't get it. If you need this stuff, buy iPhone or nokia. Kin One is great. The one can put it on key chain...

Ricardo Dawkins said,
MSFT still dont get it!!!
Come on, who is going to buy these phones?
These devices are as crippled as the Zune HD
- No calendar
- No notes
- No apps
- No calculator

My Nokia pre-paid dumb phone has calendar, alarm, calculator and freaking Java apps.

are you sure about the no calender thing? Facebook has a fairly robust date / event management system, as does myspace, the software may integrate with that.

As for calculator... what kind of math are you doing on a phone that can't be done by throwing the webbrowser up and doing simple search for your problem?

and no java - it's built on windows 7, a controlled environment - so yes, that makes sense. It's also a "good" thing arguably.

Edited by AgentGray, Apr 12 2010, 5:57pm :

Ricardo Dawkins said,
MSFT still dont get it!!!
Come on, who is going to buy these phones?
These devices are as crippled as the Zune HD
- No calendar
- No notes
- No apps
- No calculator

My Nokia pre-paid dumb phone has calendar, alarm, calculator and freaking Java apps.

And my HD2 has everything your nokia prepaid phone has and a lot more. So?

You don't get who this phone is aimed at.

- Calendar - I don't know many young teenagers who give a **** about calendars on their phone. And as this thing links into Facebook, they can pull off their events from there directly.
- Notes - Not much need to be honest.
- Apps - Odd thing to leave out but I guess they didn't want to create a whole new appstore just for these 2 devices.

Not to mention nowhere does it state that these phones won't have a calendar, notes or a calculator? It only says no applications.

Edited by -Razorfold, Apr 12 2010, 5:42pm :

Ricardo Dawkins said,
MSFT still dont get it!!!
Come on, who is going to buy these phones?
These devices are as crippled as the Zune HD
- No calendar
- No notes
- No apps
- No calculator

My Nokia pre-paid dumb phone has calendar, alarm, calculator and freaking Java apps.


Dude, how many places are you trolling this thing? You're all over the engadget posts on Facebook and now here?

/- Razorfold said,

And my HD2 has everything your nokia prepaid phone has and a lot more. So?

You don't get who this phone is aimed at.

- Calendar - I don't know many young teenagers who give a **** about calendars on their phone. And as this thing links into Facebook, they can pull off their events from there directly.
- Notes - Not much need to be honest.
- Apps - Odd thing to leave out but I guess they didn't want to create a whole new appstore just for these 2 devices.

Not to mention nowhere does it state that these phones won't have a calendar, notes or a calculator? It only says no applications.


Then they should not create all these cobbled up and misguided stupid devices (Zune, WP7 and Kin).

Ricardo Dawkins said,

Then they should not create all these cobbled up and misguided stupid devices (Zune, WP7 and Kin).

It's 3 completely different devices.

Kin - Phone meant for teenagers. Not a smartphone.
Zune - Media player. Zune HD2 will work with the Windows phone 7 appstore since its a similar OS.
Windows phone 7 - Fully featured smartphone that will share features with Zune HD2.

WP7 has every stringent hardware requirements, and applications will be coded for that in mind. Allowing the Kin to download those applications, will cause problems since the phone isn't powerful enough. Making a seperate app store causes more problems since developers now have to make different apps for different phones, something MS is trying to avoid.

Do you expect iPhone apps to work on the fifth gen iPod?

Edited by Colin-uk, Apr 12 2010, 7:56pm :

Ricardo Dawkins said,

Then they should not create all these cobbled up and misguided stupid devices (Zune, WP7 and Kin).

yup, because everyone needs an expansive feature-rich phone ...oh wait...

/- Razorfold said,

It's 3 completely different devices.

Kin - Phone meant for teenagers. Not a smartphone.
<strong>Zune - Media player. Zune HD2 will work with the Windows phone 7 appstore since its a similar OS.
Windows phone 7 - Fully featured smartphone that will share features with Zune HD2.</strong>

WP7 has every stringent hardware requirements, and applications will be coded for that in mind. Allowing the Kin to download those applications, will cause problems since the phone isn't powerful enough. Making a seperate app store causes more problems since developers now have to make different apps for different phones, something MS is trying to avoid.

Do you expect iPhone apps to work on the fifth gen iPod?


I'll be back in Sept-Dec, when this Zune HD2 get released without support for the WP7 marketplace.

You are dreaming if they will allow the Zune HD2 to have the same applications as WP7 devices while discontinuing the original Zune.

Today release give me enough ammo to say this. Kin devices (subset of WP7) sync with Zune software but no apps marketplace.

Mark my words -No WP7 marketplace for Zune HD2-.

Edited by Colin-uk, Apr 12 2010, 7:09pm :

I'll be back in Sept-Dec, when this Zune HD2 get released without support for the WP7 marketplace.

Will be hard to prevent that considering they'll be running the same OS with the same application framework - XNA 4.0 and Silverlight.

You are dreaming if they will allow the Zune HD2 to have the same applications as WP7 devices while discontinuing the original Zune.

And you're basing your infinite knowledge of the future on what?

Today release give me enough ammo to say this. Kin devices (subset of WP7) sync with Zune software but no apps marketplace.

If they gave it a marketplace it will make it a lot more confusing for developers. This is NOT a smartphone. If they gave it access to the windows phone 7 marketplace, it will ruin everything MS is trying to achieve with WP7.

This phone is NOT a subset of WP7.

Ricardo Dawkins said,

I'll be back in Sept-Dec, when this Zune HD2 get released without support for the WP7 marketplace.

You are dreaming if they will allow the Zune HD2 to have the same applications as WP7 devices while discontinuing the original Zune.

Today release give me enough ammo to say this. Kin devices (subset of WP7) sync with Zune software but no apps marketplace.

Mark my words -No WP7 marketplace for Zune HD2-.

Yes... because the ipod Touch doesn not have the same appstore as the iPhone right? lol you are on something I tell ya... lol

There is no appstore for the normal iPod... just like the Zune... and there is the same appstore for the Touch and iPhone just like I am sure there will be one for the HD2 and the WP7...
Mark my words.... lol

Think of the KIN as a goPhone with Facebook capabilities with a pretty interface... There... now does it make sense?

IT'S NOT A SMARTPHONE

Trong said,

Dude, how many places are you trolling this thing? You're all over the engadget posts on Facebook and now here?

Judging from the way he acts across these various websites, you'd think his age would fall right into the demographic for these phones (tweenager)

Ricardo Dawkins said,
MSFT still dont get it!!!
Come on, who is going to buy these phones?
These devices are as crippled as the Zune HD
- No calendar
- No notes
- No apps
- No calculator

My Nokia pre-paid dumb phone has calendar, alarm, calculator and freaking Java apps.

I am not quite sure why you are here. After all, you know so much more than a bunch of highly-paid MS marketing people about their intended market and how to sell things, you should be able to walk into any MS building, immediately be paid many millions, and, in turn immediately increase MS' bottom line by billions and put Apple out of business in a week or maybe two. Why would you be telling us your fool-proof business ideas when you could be putting them to use and making yourself a lot of money?

Or maybe you did make billions, and now you sit around the pool with your billions, while scantily clad women (or, maybe guys if that is what you are into) polish your stable of Ferraris, and you are just trying to help out us mere-mortals. I guess for that I should say thanks!

Edited by nohone, Apr 12 2010, 8:43pm : punctuation change

/- Razorfold said,

It's 3 completely different devices.

Kin - Phone meant for teenagers. Not a smartphone.
Zune - Media player. Zune HD2 will work with the Windows phone 7 appstore since its a similar OS.
Windows phone 7 - Fully featured smartphone that will share features with Zune HD2.

WP7 has every stringent hardware requirements, and applications will be coded for that in mind. Allowing the Kin to download those applications, will cause problems since the phone isn't powerful enough. Making a seperate app store causes more problems since developers now have to make different apps for different phones, something MS is trying to avoid.

Do you expect iPhone apps to work on the fifth gen iPod?

Also, as this phone is geared towards teens, it may be a selling point for parents that they can't be buying apps and such... There's really no need either in all honesty... What apps could a teen be in need of? And Microsoft will have OTA updates as well, so they could push something down if they found something that was needed...

nohone said,

I am not quite sure why you are here. After all, you know so much more than a bunch of highly-paid MS marketing people about their intended market and how to sell things, you should be able to walk into any MS building, immediately be paid many millions, and, in turn immediately increase MS' bottom line by billions and put Apple out of business in a week or maybe two. Why would you be telling us your fool-proof business ideas when you could be putting them to use and making yourself a lot of money?

Or maybe you did make billions, and now you sit around the pool with your billions, while scantily clad women (or, maybe guys if that is what you are into) polish your stable of Ferraris, and you are just trying to help out us mere-mortals. I guess for that I should say thanks!

LMAO!

It's kinda Meh but then again i don't think they were targetting these phones at me (us). I'll be more interested in the Windows Phone 7s when those come out.

Listen to yourselves! Most of you are all horked off that this is *not* another high-end phone (competing with iPhone/Android/Windows Phone 7). At the same time, most of you complain that high-end phones all require contracts and/or are expensive (mostly due to the required data plans). What have we seen in the prepaid handset market until today? Gornischt (Russian for "nothing")!

The KIN phones are aimed exclusively at the prepaid-phone space, and have the same feature set as most phones from RIM (such as the Curve, Tour, and both Storms). In fact, the KIN one reminds me a LOT of a slider version of the Curve/Tour/Bold (with the feature set of the second-generation Curve/Tour, including wireless-b/g). Also, how many 8mp cameras are there on smartphones today? How many HD-ready smartphones are there today?

tsupersonic said,
Verizon? Yuck.

Depends on where you are I guess. I've traveled a lot around the US over the years, with various carriers and Verizon by far has provided me with the most consistent coverage...

I did warn you guys...

Btw these phones are still under the Windows Phone brand. There's Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone *I'll let ms announce this*

CarlJ said,
I did warn you guys...

Btw these phones are still under the Windows Phone brand. There's Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone *I'll let ms announce this*

I think many already knew this was going to blow. Looks like a phone made by stoners for other stoners.

Edited by Jebadiah, Apr 12 2010, 5:44pm :

Jebadiah said,
I think many already knew this was going to blow. Looks like a phone made by stoners for other stoners.

Or, you know, a cheap-ish phone for people who are socially interactive.

Jebadiah said,
I think many already knew this was going to blow. Looks like a phone made by stoners for other stoners.

You couldn't be more wrong, this is for social people. Give this to a young teen and they will love it, give it to a geek and they will wonder were all the apps are.

Windows Phone 7 is for *us*, Kin is for the socially active teen lifestyle.

Jebadiah said,
I think many already knew this was going to blow. Looks like a phone made by stoners for other stoners.

You're giving stoners a bad name. Nobody, anywhere, has said "Oh, wow man!"

They aren't that good.

CarlJ said,

You couldn't be more wrong, this is for social people. Give this to a young teen and they will love it, give it to a geek and they will wonder were all the apps are.

Windows Phone 7 is for *us*, Kin is for the socially active teen lifestyle.

That was my first impression after I saw the advertisement (MS's elevator pitch to me because I was about to leave for work). It showed so little of the phone and its social features. Just 3-4 seconds of total glances at the phone. I mostly noticed the stoners having an orgy. I love the branding. They aced it with the name "Kin" and the 3-letter domain name for it. At the same time, I don't like the advertisements which show so little about what the phone can do. There was no indication of the phone's capabilities in the advertisements. HD video? 8GB space? 8MP camera? Cloud storage? Where? How? What?

Edited by Jebadiah, Apr 13 2010, 2:31am :

CarlJ said,

You couldn't be more wrong, this is for social people. Give this to a young teen and they will love it, give it to a geek and they will wonder were all the apps are.

Windows Phone 7 is for *us*, Kin is for the socially active teen lifestyle.

Exactly. I agree. +1

Jebadiah said,
That was my first impression after I saw the advertisement (MS's elevator pitch to me because I was about to leave for work). It showed so little of the phone and its social features. Just 3-4 seconds of total glances at the phone. I mostly noticed the stoners having an orgy. I love the branding. They aced it with the name "Kin" and the 3-letter domain name for it. At the same time, I don't like the advertisements which show so little about what the phone can do. There was no indication of the phone's capabilities in the advertisements. HD video? 8GB space? 8MP camera? Cloud storage? Where? How? What?

I haven't seen those advertisements, but I will say that the options you mentioned are ones that a teen user isn't going to really care about in fairness to Microsoft. The social integration, text messaging functionality, call handling, camera, does it look cool, and that's really it. They don't care that this stuff is stored in the cloud, that the video is in HD, etc...

KIN TWO looks much much better than KIN ONE. KIN ONE's screen looks too small and whole phone looks like a toy.

I expect better design, or simply MS should put more effort on WP7.

GraphiteCube said,
KIN TWO looks much much better than KIN ONE. KIN ONE's screen looks too small and whole phone looks like a toy.

I expect better design, or simply MS should put more effort on WP7.

Totally agree, also I don't the point of having such decent specifications if they aren't planning on making it a fully fledged smart phone. This is of course dependant on the price though.

The keypad also acts negatively towards the aesthetic appeal of the Kin Two.

Edited by Minimoose, Apr 12 2010, 11:08pm :

nytiger73 said,
Yuck! Those things are just UGLY!

Please....phone as fashion statement?

Hardware-wise, it flat-out whacks most other smartphones (especially RIM and even Android) and it also has most of the core of Windows Phone 7 (and *includes* Zune HD, and also has a passel of KIN-unique capabilities as well). As long as it undercuts RIM on price (and especially if it goes into prepaid, which is where it's aimed at), it will sell, and sell huge.

Lastly, how cute is a BlackBerry Curve/Tour (the KIN phones' target)?

PGHammer said,

Please....phone as fashion statement?

Hardware-wise, it flat-out whacks most other smartphones (especially RIM and even Android) and it also has most of the core of Windows Phone 7 (and *includes* Zune HD, and also has a passel of KIN-unique capabilities as well). As long as it undercuts RIM on price (and especially if it goes into prepaid, which is where it's aimed at), it will sell, and sell huge.

Lastly, how cute is a BlackBerry Curve/Tour (the KIN phones' target)?

+1

The Kin Two is pretty nice.

Examinus said,

Yeah...they are.

And theres nothing ugly about the Kin Two. Kin One is kindoff meh but it will appeal to some people.

You forget these are competing with the likes of cheap nokias and stuff. And just how much of a fashion statement / useful are those?

Don't look at the "looks" bit of the article. Look at the ones in the thumbnail.

Yes, not to pretty... and the buttons look to small and uncomfortable.

Young teenagers don't exactly have big fingers do they?

nytiger73 said,
Yuck! Those things are just UGLY!

Agree, I can't believe they're serious, particularity with Kin One - that thing does not have an alibi.

/- Razorfold said,

And theres nothing ugly about the Kin Two. Kin One is kindoff meh but it will appeal to some people.

You forget these are competing with the likes of cheap nokias and stuff. And just how much of a fashion statement / useful are those?

Don't look at the "looks" bit of the article. Look at the ones in the thumbnail.

Young teenagers don't exactly have big fingers do they?

The ones it will appeal to are the customers that are buying the lower-end smart/multimedia/3G phones from RIM (Bold, Curve, Tour, and both Storms), and a lot of those aren't teenagers. These are EVDO/CDMA, and they are priced like dumbphones (except for the required data plans). Other than RIM's BlackBerries, what competes with them price-wise, let alone feature-wise? MAYBE Droid ERIS on price, but even ERIS loses on features; while both iPhone and Moto DROID cost twice as much (and are barely even on features), and that assumes that VZW doesn't do like they have been as of late and launching the KIN line with a BOGO (which they are doing on every BB right now)

/- Razorfold said,

+1

The Kin Two is pretty nice.

That it is.

The Kin Two is the 8 MP/HD video-capable model (reminds me a lot of several QWERTY-slider smartphones from both Moto and LG, among others), although it also supports touch (like RIM's Storm and Storm 2). The fact that it includes a slider-keyboard *and* touch-screen support (which no BB does; in fact, no phone from anybody does) puts RIM squarely in the crosshairs. (RIM is, unsurprisingly, the benchmark for bargain smartphones, largely because of worm-level pricing for the Curve, Bold, and Tour, not to mention Storm and Storm2; however, because of BIS/BES and a general corporate/enterprise mindset, these same phones are a poor fit for non-corporate use.) Even the Kin One includes features that no phone from RIM does.

dimithrak said,
well honestly. i hope its more than that!.. this blows!

I posted this before i saw the phones. So - Even though I would not be getting one. I think they are cool!

EgyptianDuck said,
When is the news of the Kin One and Kin Two going to make it on Neowin?


One should know that the purpose of this phone is for social-networking. So if you're planning to buy this phone and your plans are to use it for other purposes, then you might as well want to sleep over it first. Opinions: http://bit.ly/microsoft-kin-impressions


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