PlayStation is outselling Xbox by more than 3:1

The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 launched at more or less the same time, but Sony's console has enjoyed greater success than that of Microsoft. Indeed, it's no secret that the PS4 has been outselling the Xbox One - earlier this month we reported that the latest figures suggest that Sony had sold around two million more of its next-gen consoles compared with Microsoft. 

Sony reported its quarterly financials earlier today, and as part of that report, it disclosed that it had sold a combined total of 3.5 million PS4 and PS3 units during the quarter ending June 30. As MCV UK notes, Sony has said that the strong sales of its PlayStation 4 are compensating for declining interest in the PS3, and given how well the PS4 has been selling, it seems safe to assume that a pretty big chunk of those 3.5m sales were of the newer console. 

Compare this with the latest official figure provided by Microsoft, when it recently reported its quarterly results. The company said that it had sold a combined total of 1.1m Xbox One and Xbox 360 units during the same quarter.

Now, we must be absolutely clear that we have no firm indication of how these figures - 3.5m PlayStations sold versus 1.1m Xbox units - break down between the newer- and older-generation consoles, so any conclusions we draw are based on assumptions.

So if we assume that the ratio of new versus old console sales is roughly equivalent at Sony and Microsoft, that would indicate that the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by three-to-one. But even if we generously (and improbably) assumed that 80% of Xbox sales last quarter were Xbox Ones (around 880,000), and only 50% of PlayStation sales were of the PS4 (1,750,000), Sony would still be selling twice as many next-gen consoles as Microsoft.

Given that Sony has indicated rising interest in the PS4 versus weaker sales of the PS3, and that we know the PS4 is selling like hotcakes, it seems more likely that the proportion of new-to-old console sales is similar to that of Microsoft. Since overall PlayStation sales are three times higher than total Xbox sales, this would support the notion that the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by 3:1. 

It's worth noting that Microsoft has said that sales of the Xbox One doubled in the last three weeks of the quarter, following the launch of its lower-cost Kinect-free Xbox One, priced at $399. That massive increase in June doesn't appear to have had a significant impact on total Xbox sales, which continue to lag far, far behind those of Sony's PlayStation consoles - but it does at least indicate growing interest in Microsoft's console, which the company could certainly use right now. 

Source: MCV UK 

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Interesting because Xbox was always referenced as the shining light of Microsoft's hardware business.

With Windows Phone at embarrassing marketshare levels and now xBox being outsold by Playstation what hardware success is Microsoft actually having? A particular model of mouse maybe?

At least they have moved away from the boneheaded 'Devices and Services' model.

derekaw said,
Interesting because Xbox was always referenced as the shining light of Microsoft's hardware business.

With Windows Phone at embarrassing marketshare levels and now xBox being outsold by Playstation what hardware success is Microsoft actually having? A particular model of mouse maybe?

At least they have moved away from the boneheaded 'Devices and Services' model.


The problem with the XONE console is that they stuffed it up at the start with the DRM thing, TV thing, must have Internet to play game thing and family sharing thing (which I like, but was canned). If those were not in place and they give it a better hardware and cheaper price without the kinect bundle (having it as optional), then this would fly off the shelves.

They both have their problems of running 1080p on some games, that's because they rushed out with the hardware...

Kenny Kanashimi Chu said,

The problem with the XONE console is that they stuffed it up at the start with the DRM thing, TV thing, must have Internet to play game thing and family sharing thing (which I like, but was canned). If those were not in place and they give it a better hardware and cheaper price without the kinect bundle (having it as optional), then this would fly off the shelves.

They both have their problems of running 1080p on some games, that's because they rushed out with the hardware...

All good points and I get it but why? Xbox is their pride and joy, its the shining light that shows MS is a successful hardware maker and they stuffed it up so bad. Its no wonder Surface sales are not that good and I don't need to say anything about beleaguered Windows Phone to help my point.

Seriously what is going on at Microsoft? They have messed so much up lately including Windows, their flagship product. I bet Ballmer got sacked about the Windows 8 mess.

Its a bit of a train wreak at MS right now.

derekaw said,

All good points and I get it but why? Xbox is their pride and joy, its the shining light that shows MS is a successful hardware maker and they stuffed it up so bad. Its no wonder Surface sales are not that good and I don't need to say anything about beleaguered Windows Phone to help my point.

Seriously what is going on at Microsoft? They have messed so much up lately including Windows, their flagship product. I bet Ballmer got sacked about the Windows 8 mess.

Its a bit of a train wreak at MS right now.

There was so much "doomsday" BS in that comment that I don't even know how to approach it. You couldn't sound more dooms day-ish had Microsoft filed for chapter 13. Just because the Xbox One is being outsold by the PS4 that automatically equates to Surface sells not being good...Wow, that sh!t's cray...lol

Windows OS is somewhere between 80-90 percent marketshare, yet you claim windows is doing bad also. I get it, windows 8 had metro, however the core of the OS is actually better than windows 7. This entire windows 8 BS is a bunch of FUD. People screaming fire and everyone panics and runs for the hills, when it's only a match burning.

Xbox One is a great console, not "stuffed up" as you claim... Windows phone, isn't doing to bad considering the market that it entered into. If you want to talk smack about someone giving up phone market share, perhaps you should be complaining about apple, or do you have an iPhone?

I'm so sick of this "hey, Microsoft just made a slip up", "sweet, let's go online and talk smack about them" mentality that has developed.

This company takes it from all angles, phones, consoles, OS, you name it, the haters are lined up to take their swings at them. Give it a rest folks.

Okay, I am off of my soap box now, I said what I wanted to say.

XBox is Microsoft's shining light that they are a competent hardware maker and they botched it. They misread what people wanted, Kinect does not live up to the hype, people wanted a games console first, not a living room TV first box like it was originally promoted as.

Microsoft did the same thing with Windows 8, they misread what people wanted and where hardware was going.

Windows Phone is a huge disaster and now Microsoft owns the phone part of Nokia, how much sense does that purchase make? Giving up marketshare and not having marketshare are two different discussions. Microsoft let Windows Mobile stagnate and become irrelevant then they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off when they finally realised what the iPhone meant to the industry. I can still see Ballmer laughing at the iPhone. Windows Phone was the best they could do and its selling terribly. Its an awful embarrassment for Microsoft.

Train wreak is a bit strong but I see Microsoft headed down that track. We are all witnessing a company in decline.

Edited by derekaw, Aug 3 2014, 12:07am :

uxo22 said,

There was so much "doomsday" BS in that comment that I don't even know how to approach it. You couldn't sound more dooms day-ish had Microsoft filed for chapter 13. Just because the Xbox One is being outsold by the PS4 that automatically equates to Surface sells not being good...Wow, that sh!t's cray...lol

Windows OS is somewhere between 80-90 percent marketshare, yet you claim windows is doing bad also. I get it, windows 8 had metro, however the core of the OS is actually better than windows 7. This entire windows 8 BS is a bunch of FUD. People screaming fire and everyone panics and runs for the hills, when it's only a match burning.

Xbox One is a great console, not "stuffed up" as you claim... Windows phone, isn't doing to bad considering the market that it entered into. If you want to talk smack about someone giving up phone market share, perhaps you should be complaining about apple, or do you have an iPhone?

I'm so sick of this "hey, Microsoft just made a slip up", "sweet, let's go online and talk smack about them" mentality that has developed.

This company takes it from all angles, phones, consoles, OS, you name it, the haters are lined up to take their swings at them. Give it a rest folks.

Okay, I am off of my soap box now, I said what I wanted to say.

The Xbox One is NOT a great console. It was a console developed to further Microsoft's ambitions to "take over the living room", NOT to be the best console for GAMES. It's under powered, and STILL overpriced....and it has HALF the games than the competition.

What's worse, is that MS KNOWS these things, and they try to "fix" it, NOT by investing in studios and new IP, but buy moneyhatting exclusivity deals for titles that would have been multi-platform titles! MS in the business is NOT good for gamers, as many claim! They are a poison, and I will be the first to dance on the Xbox's grave when (WHEN!) it is discontinued.

John Nemesh said,

The Xbox One is NOT a great console. It was a console developed to further Microsoft's ambitions to "take over the living room", NOT to be the best console for GAMES. It's under powered, and STILL overpriced....and it has HALF the games than the competition.

What's worse, is that MS KNOWS these things, and they try to "fix" it, NOT by investing in studios and new IP, but buy moneyhatting exclusivity deals for titles that would have been multi-platform titles! MS in the business is NOT good for gamers, as many claim! They are a poison, and I will be the first to dance on the Xbox's grave when (WHEN!) it is discontinued.

Although there is some truth (very little) to your comment, most of it is BS and FUD.

But, you did carry the hater flag well in your comment. So I give you props for being dedicated to your cause.

John Nemesh said,

The Xbox One is NOT a great console. It was a console developed to further Microsoft's ambitions to "take over the living room", NOT to be the best console for GAMES. It's under powered, and STILL overpriced....and it has HALF the games than the competition.

What's worse, is that MS KNOWS these things, and they try to "fix" it, NOT by investing in studios and new IP, but buy moneyhatting exclusivity deals for titles that would have been multi-platform titles! MS in the business is NOT good for gamers, as many claim! They are a poison, and I will be the first to dance on the Xbox's grave when (WHEN!) it is discontinued.

Now a new head for xbox is going great, but sometime it's still a bit bad. I think the new head, phill spencer went in too late.

Why are all these news reports never saying one key fact?
The PS4 is being sold in 48 territories around the world while the Xbox One is only out in 13!

o0MattE0o said,
Why are all these news reports never saying one key fact?
The PS4 is being sold in 48 territories around the world while the Xbox One is only out in 13!

Both consoles launched at roughly the same time. Sony's launched on more countries than Microsoft's.

Be it because of strategy or logistics, Sony is beating Microsoft in sales. That might change later, but right now that's how it is.

There has been no headstart, it's all based on how each company decided to release and distribute their respective product.

benthebear said,
The Wii U is still ahead of the One? Dang.

Wait...Didn't the Wii U release a full year before the XB1?

torrentthief said,
as of 19th july:

ps4's sold: 8.7m
xbox one's sold: 5m

Vgchartz.com

PS4 is destroying the xbox one!

Here's what's funny, back when the 360 was "Pounding" the PS3. It was proclaimed that VGCHARTZ was inaccurate and total BS. Suddenly they have been vindicated. ;)

benthebear said,
The Wii U also had a full year ahead of the PS 4...

If only that logic was applied when the 360 was trashing the PS3 and the only excuse you could come up with was "the 360 had a 1 year head start.

Anyway...

I will point out a few things that turns off any regular gamers.
1. It is more expensive - MS should remember what makes their 360 successful, it is so much cheaper compared to PS3, that's why it sells.

2. Big and bulky - The console is big, it has another power adaptor..it has another kinect. Regular shoppers who just want a gaming device will be immediately turned off by this + the higher price. I know someone will tell me it is a one time setup, it will be on the TV shelf etc. But when u got choices between ps4 and xone, any regular non-fan customer will buy what they think is more worth for their money. In this case its ps4 with cheaper price and smaller.

3. Complicated - I have been using my xbox one for more than 6 months. The user interface is just too complicated. I mean my friends come to my place to have some fun with few games like nba 2k14 etc. They are bombarded with accidental commands like xbox snap, which snaps the screen and got confused. And swapping controllers with friends always confuse the kinect and everyone! We only want to swap the controllers and not the characters in the game! the kinect went crazy! And somemore when somone passes through kinect in front of the person playing, it goes crazy as well and turns off the controller. This is just few of the experiences my friends had and it leaves really bad impression to everyone.

Granted, there are many features in xone that are revolutionary and very clever, but it is not needed at the moment and only create confusion with regular gamers. Take PS4, it has clean and fast interface and it just works simplistically. Many people just want it simple and play games. But xone is complex and complicated.

Also, have any of u seen showcase of xbox one in shopping mall? it is a mess. Sometimes there is a snap on the game itself which people have no idea how to turns off etc

As a long time Xbox fan, I'll be picking up a PS4 before I get an Xbox One. Simply because I'm waiting for a white SKU from Xbox.

ZipZapRap said,
As a long time Xbox fan, I'll be picking up a PS4 before I get an Xbox One. Simply because I'm waiting for a white SKU from Xbox.

take it you're getting the Destiny sku then?

So these numbers represent:
Sony sales = ps4,ps3 and vita
Xbox sales=360 & the one?

Then they aren't accurate because we only need ps4 v one and if they didn't release that number or even an estimate then its just a non news story. My opinion is that the PS4 is out selling the ONE at about 1/3 more. And that should be hoping as the y released in more countries and initial price was lower. The real game changer will be just that, exclusive titles Nd sorry to the PS4 fans but the ONE wins with Halo5. Goodnight now.

Even if halo v MATCHES halo 4 sales, which is unlikely as far fewer people are invested in the Xbox one compared to the xbox 360 when Halo 4 was released. And even IF all of those people purchasing Halo 5 are new xbox one owners, that only just puts the Xbox one ahead at best, still behind at worst. Basing those figures off 9 million confirmed sold PS4's as of July 2nd, and 5 million shipped to retailers as of 1st April. Although this is all speculation as we don't have hard numbers.

Those sales figures are just PS4 and PS3, vita and psp are separate.
Xbox one has ALOT of catching up to do. One game alone won't change this. Particularly when Destiny is cross platform current and previous gen.

I think your discounting the selling power of halo. Halo 1 brought me to xbox. Now they are releasing all the previous #'d halos on a single disc for 60$ that alone is going to sell millions of copies and thousands of consoles if not more. And then you have Halo 5, which will also selling millions of copies and probably millions of consoles.

Jedipottsy said,
Even if halo v MATCHES halo 4 sales, which is unlikely as far fewer people are invested in the Xbox one compared to the xbox 360 when Halo 4 was released. And even IF all of those people purchasing Halo 5 are new xbox one owners, that only just puts the Xbox one ahead at best, still behind at worst. Basing those figures off 9 million confirmed sold PS4's as of July 2nd, and 5 million shipped to retailers as of 1st April. Although this is all speculation as we don't have hard numbers.

Those sales figures are just PS4 and PS3, vita and psp are separate.
Xbox one has ALOT of catching up to do. One game alone won't change this. Particularly when Destiny is cross platform current and previous gen.

watsxn said,
I think your discounting the selling power of halo.

I think overestimating Halo's selling power, Playstation has its own exclusives that drive sales, for example Gran Turismo, GT5 sold over 1 million copies compare that to Halo 4 which sold 9 million. And that was a time when the playing field in terms of market share was a lot more even than it is now

watsxn said,
I think your discounting the selling power of halo. Halo 1 brought me to xbox. Now they are releasing all the previous #'d halos on a single disc for 60$ that alone is going to sell millions of copies and thousands of consoles if not more. And then you have Halo 5, which will also selling millions of copies and probably millions of consoles.

Spartan assault didn't help Windows Phone / tablet sales did it? There's so much choice these days in terms of FPS games, I don't think Halo will even make a dent.

tiadimundo said,
BTW Samsung Galaxy devices outsell Apple's iPhone devices.

Is Apple loosing as well?

;)

Different markets, Also while Apple is still growing and gaining from model to model the Xbox isnt. Compared to previous generation's its below projections.

tiadimundo said,
BTW Samsung Galaxy devices outsell Apple's iPhone devices.
Is Apple loosing as well?
;)

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosing

Jedipottsy said,

Different markets, Also while Apple is still growing and gaining from model to model the Xbox isnt. Compared to previous generation's its below projections.

Did you make that same assertion when the PS3 was taking it in the shorts? Somehow I think not.

The problem with you are you can't look at things objectively, you appear to constantly come up with stuff to make yourself right. You're not worth debating with, you will never acknowledge anyone else's point. Some of your points are good, but so are some of the other points being made, but you can't see that or at least won't say so. I'm over this thread.

tiadimundo said,
BTW Samsung Galaxy devices outsell Apple's iPhone devices.
Is Apple loosing as well?
;)

The iPhone is profitable whereas the Xbox isn't. It's believed that Microsoft loses around $2B a year on it. I have a feeling it's going to be even higher than that for the Xbone.


That's probably true. I imagine both companies make a loss on direct console sales. Where they should make up that shortfall and even a little profit is from digital sales, membership, etc. That's why unit sales are even more important. The more users you have, the bigger that profit will be. Conversely, if your userbase is small, you'll have a hard time just breaking even.

uxo22 said,

Did you make that same assertion when the PS3 was taking it in the shorts? Somehow I think not.

The problem with you are you can't look at things objectively, you appear to constantly come up with stuff to make yourself right. You're not worth debating with, you will never acknowledge anyone else's point. Some of your points are good, but so are some of the other points being made, but you can't see that or at least won't say so. I'm over this thread.

I can appreciate good points, but I'm more pragmatic. If there's a problem you deal with it. You don't hide and cower. Microsoft is in serious trouble and hiding behind false ideas won't help. The ps3 was in the same situation at launch which is why I went xbox360 early last gen. I did pick up the ps3 when good games were finally available, had they not I would not have. Problem is microsoft has been losing the grip in every market lately. Windows 8 is...well 8. Windows phone is good but it just isn't gaining traction. Now the Xbox, the hub of the digital living room.

Jedipottsy said,

I can appreciate good points, but I'm more pragmatic. If there's a problem you deal with it. You don't hide and cower. Microsoft is in serious trouble and hiding behind false ideas won't help. The ps3 was in the same situation at launch which is why I went xbox360 early last gen. I did pick up the ps3 when good games were finally available, had they not I would not have. Problem is microsoft has been losing the grip in every market lately. Windows 8 is...well 8. Windows phone is good but it just isn't gaining traction. Now the Xbox, the hub of the digital living room.

Meanwhile in Gotham City...Sony was loosing cash from all orifices until recently and even with the PS4''s success is still taking loses as a whole. Why only point these things out for Microsoft and not everyone if you're trying to make an acceptable point?

At the end of the day, Sony or Microsoft, it all comes down to the titles on the box.

Previous generations have started with new, innovative titles that really wowed me to one side or the other.

This generation has been all about counting pixels, bashing the competition, releasing remakes, and porting PC indie games. Personally I think we all lose here and both sides so far have been a pretty big failure in my opinion.

LightEco said,
At the end of the day, Sony or Microsoft, it all comes down to the titles on the box.

Previous generations have started with new, innovative titles that really wowed me to one side or the other.

This generation has been all about counting pixels, bashing the competition, releasing remakes, and porting PC indie games. Personally I think we all lose here and both sides so far have been a pretty big failure in my opinion.

Well said :)

Amazing what happens when you design an inferior product, botch the launch, and then keep trying to sell your product like it's just as good as the superior product!

Expect this trend to snowball. As gamers continue to adopt new consoles, they will be buying whatever console their friends have...and more likely than not, they are going to be on Playstation, NOT Xbox.

Inferior? Botched?

Sure my story is just an anecdote but i had 4-5 friends that were all PS4 hardcore. Within a month they all have XB1s either in addition to their PS4 or they'd gotten a refund.

The product is fine. Some people don't want Kinect and I get that, I guess. The price point is good now that they're offering them without Kinect.

This whole story is because Sony is feeling the burn from the MS/EA deal. Numbers don't concern me, I just want a good product and I'm happy with mine.

laserfloyd said,

This whole story is because Sony is feeling the burn from the MS/EA deal.

If by feeling the burn you mean outselling your competition 3:1 then I'm sure the burn feels pretty good

Sony is OUTSELLING the xbox one in all avenues. While EA does love Microsoft (many historical examples), they love money more. I find it unlikely they didnt go to Sony with this offer, unless Microsoft money hatted it, but that's not really going to help Microsoft's situation at all.

I also tend to agree with Sony (shock) but not because i feel butt hurt (No consoles), but more that EA is the devil. While it seems good now, EA will find a way to ###### this up, exploit every last penny and ruin markets. Its also not that good value for money, its a few older games that if you havn't brought by now probably dont care about but also incentivizes you to purchase additional content for those games. Great business from EA, give the game away when its turned a healthy profit and sales decline, then incentivize you to purchase DLC, Micro-transactions.
Then what if every other company does this. Activision,Ubi,Konami,Capcom,Square,etc all devalue the overall platform.

Same with the current business strategy. Make/Buy a really good game with a good following and to get people hooked. Then eventually run the game into the ground, ripping out features to sell at extra cost while milking as much money as possible before you eventually kill it. Ie sims 3 and the hundreds of expansions + items. Dead space 3 with its micro-trasactions. BF4 with its numerous DLC, Shortcuts, goldpacks, memberships.

"DICE: We'll never charge for Battlefield maps"

laserfloyd said,
Inferior? Botched?

Sure my story is just an anecdote but i had 4-5 friends that were all PS4 hardcore. Within a month they all have XB1s either in addition to their PS4 or they'd gotten a refund.

The product is fine. Some people don't want Kinect and I get that, I guess. The price point is good now that they're offering them without Kinect.

This whole story is because Sony is feeling the burn from the MS/EA deal. Numbers don't concern me, I just want a good product and I'm happy with mine.

Inferior. As in 40-50% less powerful. Also, bulkier, requires an external (noisy) power supply, requires proprietary cables and connectors, and has fewer games. Need me to grab a dictionary for you?

While i understand this is not the site to have a fair and biased discussion, lets be honest...Xbox is in trouble.

Let me preface this by saying, i have no interest in the console market, and i am thoroughly an avid Steamer (more and more linux, less and less windows).

Firstly, Availability.
While the PS3 is being sold in more regions, these are not particularly 'strong' markets, and do not account for 75% of either companies sales COMBINED. Second with the exception of the US/UK/Aus Microsoft has very little impact compared to Sony. Europe is not M$ strong console market. So while there may be more sales in these countries for M$, they wont account for the difference.

Second, Specs:
This does matter. People may not know the internals or even give a crap. But they know the ps4 is better. Be it word of mouth or Reviews/Youtube/... people know. I have yet to find someone with the exception of misterxmedia that thinks the XBone is more powerful.

Thirdly, Price:
Price is the biggest factor. Power and availability means nothing compared to price. PS4 is priced better, kinect or not.

Finally:
Breakdowns. While we cannot say for certainty how the sale numbers are split, its worth noting that the 360 sold 800k the previous quater. Scaling down proportionally thats around 500k this quater. Leaving 600k units for the Xbox one. Similarly for the PS3, basing on previous quaters and sales projections it places the PS3 at around 500k units this month. This means it could be as high as a 5-1 ratio.
Now this is purely speculative, but considering sales trends with no real active change in the market, ie No big blockbuster for the XBone, and no massive game for the PS3, can reasonably assume 3-5/1 ratio.

Also, there is such a thing as the snowball effect. The start of a console generation typically shows the trend of that entire generation. Most people will only own one console. The more people you know have a PS4, the more will also buy a PS4. This was a trend the PS3 suffered from. Now i'm not saying its impossible for these things to reverse or blend, past generations show a similar trend.

Also to the Titanfall comment, Titanfall...sucks. Its a great idea, love the concept and what they were aiming for. Love wall running, but theres no sustainability. Im not sure what it is, but it has no pzazz. I'm moderately good, as compared with other shooters ranging from BF/CoD/CS 1.6/etc... Usually ending around the top 1/3 of the leaderboards.

To be fair, i consider the Xbone alot like Vista. Its not a bad product, its just the wrong product at the wrong time. Slight tweaks all around and a re-release under a different name it could do really well. But public perception of the Xbone is bad. (I thought vista was great)

How is the PS4 priced better when they are the same price?

As for Titanfall, that's nothing but your personal judgment on a game. In fact, it currently has a higher metacritic rating that any other shooter on the PS4. I don't see that as "sucks".

You claim you want to have a fair and (I'm assuming you mean "balanced") discussion, but you bring nothing but bias. You even use the demeaning "M$" and "XBone" in your argument, after even adding that you have no knowledge or interest in the console market. I've hit Microsoft fairly hard in my previous comments, despite the fact I own the product. People on Neowin have "fair and balanced" arguments all the time, however your "evidence" is nothing but fanboy bashing.

Edited by LightEco, Jul 31 2014, 8:31pm :

Well, for one thing, the PS4 includes rechargeable batteries for their controller, uses a STANDARD headphone jack and can also routinely be found on sale for as little as $359.

As for your metacritic statement? Could you cherry pick the stat any better? "Best metacritic rating for a shooter?" Give me a BREAK! Sony has better rated software ACROSS THE BOARD than the XB1 exclusives! And yeah, Titanfall is pretty lame. NO ONE will be playing that game next year....hell, not many people are left playing it now!

That was a long post and I'm sure it was filled with relevant information and strong arguments. Unfortunately, I had to stop at M$... syntax error.

You mean the lovely non-removable batteries that can kill your entire controller when they die? Its all about perception here.

Talk about cherry picking items. "Its a better console because of the headphone jack!" Same personal perception here.

I also only compared Titanfall because the op claimed it "sucks". Metacritic is an overall combination score from tons of reviewers. Scoring higher than any other comparable game on the competing console is a pretty good indicator that it is a good title.

Jedipottsy said,
To be fair, i consider the Xbone alot like Vista.

One of the most far fetched comments ever! /credibility

I agree, i have my biases. I feel the PS4 is a superior product in everyway. About the pricing. Now they are 'even' the PS4 is still better value, as people perceive it to be a superior product. And arguably when it comes to gaming, a more capable product with provable facts to back it up (frame rate, resolution etc)

Also Titanfall clearly isn't the system seller it was made out to be. Even if it is, its not Xbone exclusive. And i say Xbone, because its shorter. I also don't have any issues with the term M$, if i type MS, people assume something else. I don't use them in the derogatory sense but the shorthand. If the PS4's name was longer, i too would shorten it. One is also not a very descriptive name, as it can be a noun, pronoun, adjective and even an Idiom so things can get confusing.

uxo22 said,

One of the most far fetched comments ever! /credibility

Vista wasn't a bad product. It was a good operating system. Problem is it required more hardware to run it well, but when it did it was superb. I used it with a fairly decent system (16gb ram - alot at that time) and i loved it. Windows 7 is also pretty much a polish and re-skin of Vista. It was also over-hyped as XP was in everyones opinion really good (although it had some teething troubles pre-sp2). XP was good enough, no real reason to switch over for most people, even to this day. It was also a let down on features (WinFS) and really needed some polish. Felt kind of rushed even though they had 6 years since XP. It also suffered major public perception issues. Countless people said they didn't want vista, without really knowing why. (I put my mum and girlfriends parents on vista without issues)

Xbox one isnt a 'bad' product. Its a good gaming machine thats more than capable. It has some great looking games. Problem is compared to the PS4, its a 'less' capable gaming machine. It was a bit overhyped as the 360 was so good. Plus the Xbox 360 is good enough for most people. Quite a few games are cross-gen, so theres no real reason to get an Xbox one. It is a let down on features (specs) and really needs some polish (updates are helping/almost mitigated the issues). Feels kind of rushed even though they had 7-8 years since the Xbox 360 was launched. It also suffers from public perception issues due to the poor reveal.

Not all this far fetched in my opinion. Different product line sure, but similar themes between the two.

Statement doesn't hold water. PS3 had better specs than the 360 and look at what the 360 did to the ps3. PS3 got wrecked that console cycle. Please show me in detail how it holds a better value.


Jedipottsy said,
I agree, i have my biases. I feel the PS4 is a superior product in everyway. About the pricing. Now they are 'even' the PS4 is still better value, as people perceive it to be a superior product. And arguably when it comes to gaming, a more capable product with provable facts to back it up (frame rate, resolution etc)

Also Titanfall clearly isn't the system seller it was made out to be. Even if it is, its not Xbone exclusive. And i say Xbone, because its shorter. I also don't have any issues with the term M$, if i type MS, people assume something else. I don't use them in the derogatory sense but the shorthand. If the PS4's name was longer, i too would shorten it. One is also not a very descriptive name, as it can be a noun, pronoun, adjective and even an Idiom so things can get confusing.

watsxn said,
Statement doesn't hold water. PS3 had better specs than the 360 and look at what the 360 did to the ps3. PS3 got wrecked that console cycle. Please show me in detail how it holds a better value.


The PS3's cost was higher and in the beginning that hurt sales for sure but as the generation wore on and prices came down the PS3 caught up passed the 360 in market share..."wrecked" lol maybe you meant to type "won"?

Enron said,
That was a long post and I'm sure it was filled with relevant information and strong arguments. Unfortunately, I had to stop at M$... syntax error.

Brilliant!

watsxn said,
Statement doesn't hold water. PS3 had better specs than the 360 and look at what the 360 did to the ps3. PS3 got wrecked that console cycle. Please show me in detail how it holds a better value.


There are more important things than specs, but when both consoles are proved evenly with an even amount of quality first party titles, having one console run multi platform games better is a huge advantage.

Good for gaming. Sony became too powerful after the PS2, they screwed up and Microsoft started winning with the 360. Now they screwed up just in time before they became the new overlords with XB1. Balance remains.. for now.

Besides XB1 sales are picking up the last month so the ratio will slightly adjust in favor for MS in the long run. However its clear Sony is ahead and will probably finish first. Although as long as MS sells enough consoles to stay competitive and make a small profit at the end then its all good. At least if the new CEO realizes that their Xbox adventure does more than just make money (i,e. make MS cool again).

This will be the last generation of consoles. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Farmville and Angry Birds and mobile social games are the future, with their precise finger controls. Praise disruptive technologies! #selfie

Considering Microsoft torpedoed their sales by announcing the new SKU in April and releasing it in June (and Q4 is April-June), that shouldn't be surprising. I'd expect the gap to be narrower in future quarters.

spenser.d said,
Considering Microsoft torpedoed their sales by announcing the new SKU in April and releasing it in June (and Q4 is April-June), that shouldn't be surprising. I'd expect the gap to be narrower in future quarters.

Another excellent point.

The reason I haven't upgraded is price. I know it's down $100 now, so that does help. But the 360 is just too awesome.

It's the ultimate device. Hah, but I only play NHL13 on it so I have no need for it. Wait till we get to go the 2 year mark, when there are no more 360 games and everything moves to X1. That's when I'll probably switch over.

Its amazing how much in one year Microsoft has ruined the Xbox brand. They went from dominating PlayStation month after month after month to being outsold by this much.

The Xbox One no longer even has a clear purpose anymore. Microsoft is throwing every little thing that made it unique out the window in order to make it a "pure gaming console" when Sony is already building on that to include TV programming, more media providers, and even new tech (VR). Its like Microsoft started with everything and is racing to dump it all for gaming, and Sony started with gaming and is now building everything.

Keep it up Microsoft and this will be the new norm for this generation.

I really think Microsoft needs to get its act together, drop the whole "Gaming Only" thing and figure out how to really make the Xbox stand out.

But wasn't "gaming only" what people cried for after Microsoft announced its big digital plans before X1 launch? I remember people shouting that Microsoft should focus on "gaming only" and not try to do so many things on the console. Who can understand users?

xankazo said,
But wasn't "gaming only" what people cried for after Microsoft announced its big digital plans before X1 launch? I remember people shouting that Microsoft should focus on "gaming only" and not try to do so many things on the console. Who can understand users?

Nobody said it should be only gaming, but rather that their console reveal should have been more gaming oriented, instead of opting to spend so much time on television during their announcement.

It's like spending 66% of your speech talking about cardio to weightlifters. Gamers aren't called "gamers" because they watch a lot of TV...

Microsoft focused too much on non-gaming features and simply didn't have the raw horsepower needed for developers. Removing the Kinect has helped narrow the gap but I don't think even DX12 can eliminate it, let alone put the XB1 ahead. Microsoft's decision to use ESRAM has hurt it this time, unlike last gen where EDRAM helped the X360.

Microsoft has made one U-turn after another and slashing jobs at the Xbox Division doesn't exactly fill you with confidence.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Microsoft focused too much on non-gaming features and simply didn't have the raw horsepower needed for developers. Removing the Kinect has helped narrow the gap but I don't think even DX12 can eliminate it, let alone put the XB1 ahead. Microsoft's decision to use ESRAM has hurt it this time, unlike last gen where EDRAM helped the X360.

Microsoft has made one U-turn after another and slashing jobs at the Xbox Division doesn't exactly fill you with confidence.

Let's be fair here, jobs get slashed at every company for whatever reason the company see fit. Sony and Nintendo are no different. As for the U-Turns, some people would actually call it listening to their customers.

The mistake I think Microsoft made was not being able to differentiate between their customers and fan boys from other factions complaining solely to throw salt at the competition. I see fake reviews, and complaints in Xbox forums from people that I know for a fact don't even own Xbox consoles, but yet their complaints make it sound as if they do. I guess you can call it "social warfare" for lack of a better phrase.

uxo22 said,
As for the U-Turns, some people would actually call it listening to their customers.

The mistake I think Microsoft made was not being able to differentiate between their customers and fan boys from other factions complaining solely to throw salt at the competition. I see fake reviews, and complaints in Xbox forums from people that I know for a fact don't even own Xbox consoles, but yet their complaints make it sound as if they do. I guess you can call it "social warfare" for lack of a better phrase.

You say that as if the same doesn't happen the other way around. Microsoft's problem was that it tried to dictate what people should have rather than create the product the market wanted. Sony on the otherhand went back to basics after learning the hard way with the PS3 (the decision to include Blu-ray massively increased its cost and caused substantial delays).

The problem is Microsoft doesn't know what "middle ground" means. They are swinging wildly from one side to the other trying to meet what they 'think' are the consumer demands.

Examples:

Problem - "People don't like needing to have the console on every 24 hours"
Solution - "Rip out all digital changes, throw away any new systems, go back to disc needed gaming"

Problem - "People are complaining about not enough gaming focus"
Solution - "Kill all other initiatives, eliminate all extra divisions, stop all new media production, and do ONLY gaming"

Problem - "Kinect doesn't seem fully fledged out to be worth an extra $100"
Solution - "Throw Kinect in the trash, ruin any chances for future development work on it, anger Kinect developers"

theyarecomingforyou said,
You say that as if the same doesn't happen the other way around. Microsoft's problem was that it tried to dictate what people should have rather than create the product the market wanted. Sony on the otherhand went back to basics after learning the hard way with the PS3 (the decision to include Blu-ray massively increased its cost and caused substantial delays).

What's actually "Back to the Basics" about the PS4. What does the PS4 not have that the PS3 had.

What they did is skimp on features for the initial launch, and then sold it to their fans as "going back to the basics" They will and always have planned to add TV and other media features to the PS4. They just couldn't implement them and still beat the XB1 to market.

I also feel that they camera was going to be part of the package but they removed it to lower the price as to undercut the price of the XB1 (which worked brilliantly). But, I'm not buying the back to the basics, going back to it's roots crap.

Just saying.

LightEco said,
The problem is Microsoft doesn't know what "middle ground" means. They are swinging wildly from one side to the other trying to meet what they 'think' are the consumer demands.

Examples:

Problem - "People don't like needing to have the console on every 24 hours"
Solution - "Rip out all digital changes, throw away any new systems, go back to disc needed gaming"

Problem - "People are complaining about not enough gaming focus"
Solution - "Kill all other initiatives, eliminate all extra divisions, stop all new media production, and do ONLY gaming"

Problem - "Kinect doesn't seem fully fledged out to be worth an extra $100"
Solution - "Throw Kinect in the trash, ruin any chances for future development work on it, anger Kinect developers"

Point by point...

"People don't like needing to have the console on every 24 hours"
- Most people have internet connections, and have no problem with their device being in connected standby. All of this talk about constantly traveling with your console is utter BS. Also, please explain why you feel or these "People" feel that you have to have your console on every 20 hours.

"People are complaining about not enough gaming focus"
The XB1 is just a much gaming focused as the PS4, and a matter of fact it currently is more gaming focused. Unless you are talking specs, which most people could care less about as long as they have a beautiful, bug free gaming experience. Just because is can do a lot of other things, doesn't mean it's not gaming focused as you'd like to make it out to be. As I said earlier, I am still yet to play my first game on my PS4.

"Kinect doesn't seem fully fledged out to be worth an extra $100"
Have you lost your mind, Kinect is a great tool, and even though it is going to get even better, it is well worth the $100.00 extra that it cost. I use the voice, Skype, and entertainment center control features on a regular basis. What does a harmony remote cost these days? Bottom, like is your solution for Kinect is BS, Kinect is fine and well worth the 100.00 that it cost.


Back to basics means not forcing unnecessary features on gamers, like the PS3 did with Blu-ray or Microsoft did with Kinect; it means working closer with indie developers; it means not trying to hype up features that don't deliver, like Microsoft has done with the cloud and Kinect; it means using industry standard architecture rather than Cell or ESRAM; it means wide launches to get to as many consumers as possible, rather than Microsoft which has yet to release the XB1 in most territories (it has a very western centric bias).

Sony made a lot of mistakes last generation and it seems to have learnt a lot from that. Meanwhile Microsoft has walked from one PR disaster to another.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Back to basics means not forcing unnecessary features on gamers, like the PS3 did with Blu-ray or Microsoft did with Kinect; it means working closer with indie developers; it means not trying to hype up features that don't deliver, like Microsoft has done with the cloud and Kinect; it means using industry standard architecture rather than Cell or ESRAM; it means wide launches to get to as many consumers as possible, rather than Microsoft which has yet to release the XB1 in most territories (it has a very western centric bias).

Sony made a lot of mistakes last generation and it seems to have learnt a lot from that. Meanwhile Microsoft has walked from one PR disaster to another.

Oh, okay so it means whatever you feel Microsoft did wrong.

uxo22 said,

Point by point...

"People don't like needing to have the console on every 24 hours"
- Most people have internet connections, and have no problem with their device being in connected standby. All of this talk about constantly traveling with your console is utter BS. Also, please explain why you feel or these "People" feel that you have to have your console on every 20 hours.


In the US it might be less common, but here in the EU it is very common to take your console on holidays. If you go to france, spain or italy for a few weeks, your bound to have a few rainy days (if youre unlucky more than a few) and then there is f*ck all to do. It is just very limiting and for people reason enough to favor a console that did not have this feature announced (changing minds is relatively easy, but once you changed them away from you, its hard to get them back)

"People are complaining about not enough gaming focus"
The XB1 is just a much gaming focused as the PS4, and a matter of fact it currently is more gaming focused. Unless you are talking specs, which most people could care less about as long as they have a beautiful, bug free gaming experience. Just because is can do a lot of other things, doesn't mean it's not gaming focused as you'd like to make it out to be. As I said earlier, I am still yet to play my first game on my PS4.

For many the Xbox is known as the FPS console. Sure FPS, sports and casual racer/rpg players like the console. But the focus is very, very different on the Xbox and always has been. (It took quite a while for MS to realize this when they dragged GTA, Tekken and such to their platform) But this is just mainly in my surroundings.
For the past 2 decades (almost) Sony has always provided a console for a very variety of tastes. And no matter how you put it, the Xbox has been putting its focus on FPS, Sports and casual gaming.
EU gamers are not much on the sports gaming besides FIFA and PES, but very into fighting, rpg, racing and the like. IMO we're a bit closer to the Japanese market than the American.

And talking about specs, 10%+ difference in visual quality is very noticeable. Put any BF4 player infront of a XBO, PS4 or PC on the screen and they can tell you easily which is which.


"Kinect doesn't seem fully fledged out to be worth an extra $100"
Have you lost your mind, Kinect is a great tool, and even though it is going to get even better, it is well worth the $100.00 extra that it cost. I use the voice, Skype, and entertainment center control features on a regular basis. What does a harmony remote cost these days? Bottom, like is your solution for Kinect is BS, Kinect is fine and well worth the 100.00 that it cost.

How is Kinect a great tool atm for those who do not speak English as their native tongue. (Cortana is quite impressive on my dutchinese english though)
But I don't see anyone using Siri either, just for testing or the fun of it. Guess many people are not very into talking to machines. I have yet to encounter anyone in the wild actively using talking commands to any device.

So yeah, for many the 100$/€ for Kinect seems like a total waste of money.

I use my PS4 for games and my Xbox for Amazon Prime TV Shows.. But to be honest, I bought both consoles at launch, and might have played a game on them for a total of 2 hours for both.. and I have around 10 games for each.. lol Watchdogs for PS4 is calling my name though..

fusi0n said,
I use my PS4 for games and my Xbox for Amazon Prime TV Shows.. But to be honest, I bought both consoles at launch, and might have played a game on them for a total of 2 hours for both.. and I have around 10 games for each.. lol Watchdogs for PS4 is calling my name though..

Funny you should say that, I bought both also, got my PS4 right after Christmas and bought "Killzone Shadow Fall" for 20 bucks on sale last week. When I get it in, it will be my first PS4 game on my PS4. (I have literally only turn it on so far to do updates.) I use my XB1 10 times more often then my PS4.

To be honest, I'm a bit puzzled by the success of the PS4, for me, it's no better than my XB1 as a matter of fact, as far as the online services go (XBL vs PSN), it's actually inferior. IDK, to each his own I guess.

I bought the PS4 for the exclusives but haven't seen any that interest me just yet. Although, I will be getting The Last of Us.

uxo22 said,
To be honest, I'm a bit puzzled by the success of the PS4, for me, it's no better than my XB1 as a matter of fact, as far as the online services go (XBL vs PSN), it's actually inferior. IDK, to each his own I guess.
I think a lot of it is to do with multiplatform games performing significantly better on PS4 and the PS4 being the cheaper console. The exclusives on either side aren't particularly strong at the moment.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I think a lot of it is to do with multiplatform games performing significantly better on PS4 and the PS4 being the cheaper console. The exclusives on either side aren't particularly strong at the moment.

Good point!

really? because all my friends that have bf4 on ps4 have way more problems than I have had to deal with on my xbox1.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I think a lot of it is to do with multiplatform games performing significantly better on PS4 and the PS4 being the cheaper console. The exclusives on either side aren't particularly strong at the moment.

LOL show me hard facts that they(cross platform games) perform better. Please, I will wait right here. I've played cod on both the ps4 and the xbox one. I can't tell the difference. So please humor me.
edited for spelling

theyarecomingforyou said,
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

watsxn said,
LOL show me hard facts that they(cross platform games) perform better. Please, I will wait right here. I've played cod on both the ps4 and the xbox one. I can't tell the difference. So please humor me.
edited for spelling

How much proof do you need? Comparisons are all over the internet that prove that multiplatform games play at a lower resolution and at lower frame rates on xbox versus on PS4.

-Watchdogs 790p on xbox & 900p on PS4 (plus better shadows and less aliasing on PS4)
-Tomb Raider frames capped @30fps on xbox & 60fps on ps4. Cutscenes on xbox are 900p & 1080p on PS4
-CoD 720p xbox & 1080p PS4
-BF4 720p xbox & 900p PS4
-Black Flag xbox 900p & 1080p PS4

Almost all reviews of multi-platform games also say that PS4 versions look significantly better, wether its higher resolution textures, better aliasing and on top of running at high frames at a higher resolution. I could provide a ton of links to comparisons but you have Google

uxo22 said,

To be honest, I'm a bit puzzled by the success of the PS4, for me, it's no better than my XB1 as a matter of fact, as far as the online services go (XBL vs PSN), it's actually inferior. IDK, to each his own I guess.


This is just personal, but in my surroundings (NL and some of EU) the PS has been very dominant since the PSX, the 360 made a massive dent and most gamers here, during the first few years of the previous gen. Had a 360. But the last few years very few had one. (partially cause of the piracy) And most eventually seem to've moved on to the PS3 and/or PS4.

And some of the early announcements MS made just hit very hard in EU, partially due to snowden, NSA and such. But also, here people go on holidays, and its fairly normal to bring your console with you for those rainy days on the french riviera. Always on was really a killer feature which changed a lot of minds.

And then you run into the part, most people play in groups. With friends they know or an online group of friends you made over the years together.
If its already 50-50 as it seem to've been the recent years (it wobbles but ah well). And later this shifts to 80-20 (people here wanting an XBO atm are really a minority! although the kinectless version helps) then yeah, it makes perfect sense why MS is currently not doing so good in this generation.

People (or MS rather) have to start realizing since 2012 the EU is a larger market then the US for gaming. And our interests are different then those of americans, games like Tekken (which MS fought for to get to the Xbox), Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy are very, very popular here. (So are CoD and BF, and it matters to many people for some reason that BF4 runs better on the PS4), it IS noticable (my PS4 buddies are jealous of my graphics while I mostly play on just High. Which is quite comparable to the quality of the PS4) anywho, 10% or more in graphical differences is highly noticeable)
Arguably, the PS3/4 controller is superior for RPG, racing and fighters. (but most people seem to agree on this, the Xbox controllers are far superior for FPS and such)

good for sony, but single digits in the millions lead doesn't translate to success long term (hello nintendo). this is far far from over.

Wow thats pretty impressive, given that fact that the XBOX1 seems to be doing a good job of updating and bringing new features to their system. I guess if Sony starts to add in some new features soon as well instead of stabilization updates they won't even have to look back.

Biglo said,
Wow thats pretty impressive, given that fact that the XBOX1 seems to be doing a good job of updating and bringing new features to their system. I guess if Sony starts to add in some new features soon as well instead of stabilization updates they won't even have to look back.

I'm curious what features these updates have brought the Xbox One that the PS4 doesn't have (and may get). Seems to me like most of them are refining the UI... snap specifically... (Sony seems pretty happy with theirs, and that's subjective anyway not a new feature really) or are features that the PS4 already has (live streaming, game dvr, battery indicator, etc.) I'm honestly curious. The only thing I've heard that is supposed to be coming to PS4 at some point and MS already does is the resume/suspend thing.

Showan said,
Good for Sony.

But we do know these numbers are PS3, PS4, and Vita right...?


Hence why this is buried in the article - "Now, we must be absolutely clear that we have no firm indication of how these figures - 3.5m PlayStations sold versus 1.1m Xbox units - break down between the newer- and older-generation consoles, so any conclusions we draw are based on assumptions."

Showan said,
Good for Sony.

But we do know these numbers are PS3, PS4, and Vita right...?


I'm pretty sure they're not Vita. I believe the numbers were reported with PS3 and PS4 combined... and with a different number for PSP and Vita combined. The PS3/PS4 number (not the PSP/Vita) is being compared to the 360/XB1 number. It's a fair comparison. In this case though I believe the numbers are global so the whole "PS4 is available in more regions though!" argument has SOME basis (unlike when people throw that out when comparing NPD numbers that are not global)

fusi0n said,
Titian Fall is fun.. for about 10 minutes..

Haha, most games tend to be that way when you suck at them...lol

uxo22 said,
Haha, most games tend to be that way when you suck at them...lol

I've always found the opposite to be true.

Sucking at a game makes me want to get good. Dominating a game however is incredibly lonesome. You clear out servers or have to hold back or handicap yourself with weapons you don't like just to make things a bit more "even" just so you can keep traffic on your clan's server.

This is why I never joined another clan after Wolf: ET, unless it was to raid other servers which is only fun for a few. :/

uxo22 said,

Haha, most games tend to be that way when you suck at them...lol


BURRRRRNNNNNNNNN.. lol.. your screenname must be 1337J35u5

dead.cell said,

I've always found the opposite to be true.

Sucking at a game makes me want to get good. Dominating a game however is incredibly lonesome. You clear out servers or have to hold back or handicap yourself with weapons you don't like just to make things a bit more "even" just so you can keep traffic on your clan's server.

This is why I never joined another clan after Wolf: ET, unless it was to raid other servers which is only fun for a few. :/

Excellent POV! I have never been dominant in any game, so I never had the problem that you mentioned...lol Never thought of it from the point of view that you mentioned.

Microsoft learning the hard way from the bad hardware/marketing decisions they made.
-Less powerful console, more expensive
-Forcing Kinect down our throat until recently
-"Always connected"
-etc.

Gladly for them, the new gen consoles are still young. They have time to fix Xbox One's bad reputation

myxomatosis said,
Microsoft learning the hard way from the bad hardware/marketing decisions they made.
-Less powerful console, more expensive
-Forcing Kinect down our throat until recently
-"Always connected"
-etc.

Gladly for them, the new gen consoles are still young. They have time to fix Xbox One's bad reputation

-----------------------------------------------------------------

I love my Xbox One (and PS4 for that matter)
I Don't mind that it has less power
I Will not disconnect Kinect ever...
Unless I hit a unfortunate situations in my life, my One (and PS4) will always be connected.

Microsoft's problem is listening to people who have no plans on buying an Xbox One.

Be different Microsoft....Be different.

Showan said,

Microsoft's problem is listening to people who have no plans on buying an Xbox One.

Be different Microsoft....Be different.

I agree 100%. Well said.

Showan said,

Microsoft's problem is listening to people who have no plans on buying an Xbox One.

Er... I think the actual issue is that Microsoft did not listen to the people that originally had plans to buy an XBONE, but did not like what they had to offer after it was announced. Hardcore Xbox gamers had doubts almost immediately once MS announced the new console... the price was wrong, equipment bundle was wrong, service bundle was wrong, and it being always on was wrong. The marketplace decides if your product is good or not, and I believe that the marketplace has spoken pretty clearly in this case.

Showan said,

Microsoft's problem is listening to people who have no plans on buying an Xbox One.

Be different Microsoft....Be different.

They listen to these people know how to convince them, right? How would you do it otherwise?

They have time to fix the reputation but we're stuck with the low specs for another 4 years at minimum (probably something like 6). The XB1 can barely do 1080p, half the games can't hit it. And 4K is starting to get cheap.

myxomatosis said,
Microsoft learning the hard way from the bad hardware/marketing decisions they made.
-Less powerful console, more expensive
-Forcing Kinect down our throat until recently

They are about the same power, and the console is now the same price now they have unbundled the kinect... I think the big problem is they were only selling with the Kinect and yet not offering enough games or features that use it
-"Always connected"

This was more of a mistake in marketing. This could have been brilliant: play your games with someone else's xbox just by signing on. Unfortunately they backed down on that.

Gladly for them, the new gen consoles are still young. They have time to fix Xbox One's bad reputation

I don't think it really has a bad reputation. I suspect the disparity has as much to do with poor distribution as anything else: 13 countries for the xbox vs 60 for the PS4

james.faction said,

They are about the same power, and the console is now the same price now they have unbundled the kinect... I think the big problem is they were only selling with the Kinect and yet not offering enough games or features that use it

This was more of a mistake in marketing. This could have been brilliant: play your games with someone else's xbox just by signing on. Unfortunately they backed down on that.


I don't think it really has a bad reputation. I suspect the disparity has as much to do with poor distribution as anything else: 13 countries for the xbox vs 60 for the PS4

They most definitely aren't the same power. The PS4 about 40% more powerful. People need to stop saying a 40% difference is "almost the same." If they were almost the same then the PS4 wouldn't run every game better or at least the same (about half/half) as the XB1. There isn't a single game last I checked that ran at a lower resolution or framerate on the PS4.

Jason Mok said,

They listen to these people know how to convince them, right? How would you do it otherwise?

Microsoft has listened to every single demand, and people still aren't bothering.

I personally still think the best version of the Xbox One is the reveal in May, 2013. The version we never got to see.

Now it's just a normal box. I paid $500 for something "abnormal"

myxomatosis said,
Microsoft learning the hard way from the bad hardware/marketing decisions they made.
-Less powerful console, more expensive
-Forcing Kinect down our throat until recently
-"Always connected"
-etc.

Gladly for them, the new gen consoles are still young. They have time to fix Xbox One's bad reputation


The only way they fix it is to plan well for the next gen. If I were them, I would release next XBOX 2 years from now. then they will win market back by having more highend games and better console. right now they are dubbed as inferior console in hardware specs.

shozilla said,

Not all of the places at once...


It's irrelevant that PS4 is available in places like Kuwait. They could sell 1000 consoles in Kuwait and it doesn't make a significant difference. Comparing the countries that matter, Sony would still be outselling Microsoft 3:1.

DPyro said,

It's irrelevant that PS4 is available in places like Kuwait. They could sell 1000 consoles in Kuwait and it doesn't make a significant difference. Comparing the countries that matter, Sony would still be outselling Microsoft 3:1.

I was talking about Xbox... USA got Xbox and few months later, China or Japan (can't remember which) get Xbox. If Xbox was available at all of the places at once, Xbox could be catching up and beat PS by now.

shozilla said,
I was talking about Xbox... USA got Xbox and few months later, China or Japan (can't remember which) get Xbox. If Xbox was available at all of the places at once, Xbox could be catching up and beat PS by now.

More like Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom, United States and New Zealand.

We're still waiting for them to release to more countries in September.

shozilla said,

I was talking about Xbox... USA got Xbox and few months later, China or Japan (can't remember which) get Xbox. If Xbox was available at all of the places at once, Xbox could be catching up and beat PS by now.

One could say that now X1 is available in new markets (such as Japan) that the sales should be higher for the X1 because of the new markets now available to buy it that have had longer to save up, etc. The problem is that isn't happening.

It won't be available in any other markets until September. If Microsoft is to be faulted for anything this console generation, it's two things. The launch price and their release schedule. I don't know what genius thought it would be a good idea to release your product almost a full year after the competitor. Hopefully they fired him.

DPyro said,

It's irrelevant that PS4 is available in places like Kuwait. They could sell 1000 consoles in Kuwait and it doesn't make a significant difference. Comparing the countries that matter, Sony would still be outselling Microsoft 3:1.

have you ever heard the saying, one, one drops of water fills a bucket?

Who told them to not to sell their products in more countries?, Microsoft thought SONY would start selling consoles from Japan and only last they enter in us and UK. But that strategy failed and they want ship more products to these areas.So they are out of stock or limited by the production. That is why they can't go more countries rapidly.

I think you guys are missing one important thing. Being available in more countries doesn't mean there are more consoles to sell. They could be making the same amount to units but Sony is spreading out the distribution while MS is concentrating them in specific markets.

Don't think that's a valid excuse unless we know how many units each company creates every month.

Yeah... like it would make a difference. In Japan the X360 has had far worse sales compared to PS3. Same with X1 vs PS4 -- Sony's product is (and still would, even without the delay) outsell the X1 by far bigger ratio than 3:1.

:/ I knew the X1 wasn't selling as well as the PS4 but that is a pretty big ratio. I expected it to be quite a bit closer to be honest.

It is amazing to me that Xbox One still hasn't launched in most countries and won't until September. They are still in the original 13 countries, while PS4 is in about 60 countries for almost a year.