iPod Touch with camera, the new landline

Previous rumours regarding a new generation of Nano with inbuilt camera functionality seem to have faded to dust. According to Wired magazine's website, this has paved the way for a fresh bout of rumours, this time regarding the next generation of iPod Touch.

Perhaps its a case of Apple finally noticing that they could attract more people to their media player with this simple addition; or simply because it seems to be the next logical step, either way there is now talk of camera functionality on the next generation of the Touch.

These are just rumours however, but it doesn't mean we can't get excited about them. According to Wired's 'very well connected source' Apple are readying a new version of the iPod Touch with a camera and microphone. All you've got to do is add a Skype account to this mix and apparantly you've made your home phone line redundant in seconds. This could easily transform the smart media player into almost-an-iPhone, thanks Wi-Fi hotspots and 3G-to-Wi-Fi hubs. Imagine, the only home telephone you need is infact the iPod Touch. Seems a little too much to achieve in my opinion.

According to a short article by Gizmodo, this is something At&T (The service provider for the iPhone in the US) should be a little nervous about, regarding: "The prospect of Apple eventually gaining carrier independence with a 100% VoIP solution."

According to Wired's well connected source, Apple's factories in China are already getting into the manufacturing process, however Apple PR have declined to pass comment on this rumor. Wired's source expects this new generation of the Touch to go on sale in two or three months time.

Wired also concurs with the opinion given by Gizmodo in light of this rumor:

"They will transform the entertainment-oriented iPod Touch line into a voice communications tool wherever WiFi is available."

"In addition to these voice-over-IP capabilities, which should have telephone providers quaking in their boots, the microphone (and camera) would enable the iPod Touch to understand voice commands, capture video and images, and work with a wider variety of programs in the App Store."

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I'm not sure that Apple can legally put out a VoIP phone. At least not directly. If you remember Apple bought the name 'iphone' from Cisco just before the launch with the stipulation, I believe, that they cannot create a VoIP phone. I guess they can get away with it if they don't create the App but use an App like Skype to do the negotiating of the particulars of the service.

I don't think it's their goal either. Apple gets their new iPod Touch out there on the market, while other (3rd party companies) create applications like Skype. These applications in fact enable VoIP phone calls on the iPod Touch, but Apple has never wanted that. It just happened this way. I mean, if this happens, it won't be Apple's fault, and I don't think these 3rd-party-companies will be the ones to blame either. Perfectly legal for me...

Don't you need to be constanlty logged on to Skype to receive calls? Without backgrounding to access the rest of the iPods features while still being able to recieve calls then surely you are just buying a really expensive skype phone, no?

Scratch that, just read another comment.

All skype need to do is make Push work, probably wont be able to receive a call without the app being on but could get notification of someone trying to contact you and ring em back

Just the camera and more speed, and all the features introduced in iPod Touch 2G (not a lot, but not zero either), would make me buy the new iTouch 3G right away. I can't wait to see if there's gonna be something else! Obviously I suspect a digital compass in this..

By the way, I have an iPod Touch 1G right now, thus why I did not get a 2G, and thus why I want a 3G even more!

My Nokia N810 already does the whole VOIP Skype thing in a background process... Are these things still limited on third-party apps running in the background? If they are it is sort of lame.

Wow, your not keeping in touch. The whole no multi-taking is not such a big deal. Especially when the default apps that it comes with such as Safari, Mail, iPod, etc, all come with multi-tasking capability, they stay on, I know that because I jailbroke my iPod Touch 2G and I checked the processes and I learned how it works. Currently, a jailbroken app exists that can prevent closing an app, but it is only making it stay open like the default apps do. Meaning, Safari stays on, but if memory becomes a problem, it automatically closes, so does any app that is running in the background that you forced to stay open using a jailbroken app. There is currently not a solution where an app always stays on if you want it to, the only jailbreak solution is to make it like default apps where it closes if memory is running low.

So yeah, it's default apps do multi-task fine, I use Safari and then can open an app and come back to Safari on the same webpage, and Mail does deliver push notifications using my Exchange but the way it does it is different than the new push notification service, it keeps the Mail app on in the background and keeps it so it is ready for a push event. The iPod app also known as Music/Videos (2 different apps on iPod Touches) stays on to play music and you can double-tap the home button to change to a different song or pause or play, etc.

Point is, you are missing out on the news, because with the Apple Push Notification Service, you get notified instantly, and you can go right to the app by tapping a button on the notification, and you can change the type of notification you get, whether it is a sound, pop-up, etc. It isn't the app listening in, it just is a service.

The way apps on the iPhone/iPod Touch platform are made are different from other phone platforms. Simply the app is just for functionality, but the way it is delivering the information is different. Apps on other phone platforms have the protocol and code and everything else for IM apps for example. Apps on the iPhone/iPod Touch have less because they rely on a server to hold IM history, connection to IM services, your contacts, etc. So when you start an app, usually it off the dot, identifies your device, and delivers that to the server for the app, then it makes a connection and the server delivers your current status, current IMs with IM history, contacts, what networks your on, preferences, etc. Closing an app will keep you on the IM networks. Other phone platforms' IM apps actually connect to the IM networks directly and hold your data on your device. With the speed of the current iPhone, it makes this process faster making push notifications the best thing since sliced bread.

but... is the camara gonna be on the front of the device? or on the back???? Cause i see all this Dvices with Video/Voice Calling Functionallity, but the camera is on the back of it... How iam suppose to see the screen to see the person iam talking to.

for that you'll need I-Mirror! a small touch sized mirror on a stand that you place your touch in front of when you want to make video calls

Since it's an iPod Touch, the camera isn't designed to make video phone calls. I don't think Apple wants their iPod to be more attractive than their iPhone, duh. So it makes complete sense that the camera will be on the back of the device. kthxbai.

On the iPhone, I couldn't explain it, maybe the next version will have 2 cameras (otherwise, how do you actually take a picture or record a video while seeing it in the screen?)

The addition of the camera is a good move, as long as they try and integrate a decent one in terms of image quality. That, with the Facebook/Twitter apps should make publishing even more awesome.

Can't help but think it's a little silly to have a camera on it, but I feel the same way about the DSi. Cameras, cameras, everywhere.

If you guys take a look at some videos on youtube shot with the iPhone 3GS camera you will be impressed. I'm honestly expecting the same camera in the iPod Touch 3G.

You can't also forget how well a camera would fit if you take in account it's social networking capabilities and the more than likely ability to upload it on the fly to youtube (as in 3GS with the difference that youll need wi-fi for this).

Real people will find the camera useful and a great addition to the #1 PMP. Only nerds and wannabe know-it-alls will find it useless, just go ask ......

/end rant

Real people have cell phones. Real people carry those cell phones with them almost all day. They don't have an iPod strapped to them all day. So they would just use their phone.

And, they can actually send those pictures to friends, wherever they are.

andrewbares said,
Real people have cell phones. Real people carry those cell phones with them almost all day. They don't have an iPod strapped to them all day. So they would just use their phone.

And, they can actually send those pictures to friends, wherever they are.

I know, I hate crossover. I mean my phone tells me the weather, SO NO OTHER DEVICE I OWN IS ALLOWED TO TELL ME THE WEATHER. And my laptop has a camera, SO NO OTHER DEVICE I OWN IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A CAMERA.

You know how much sense this makes? The camera doesn't make it bigger, heavier or anything. If you use the same case, and ignore the icon, you will never even know it is there. Now I know not all convergence is good, but this is a logical step.

And in a year, you know that Microsoft are going to come out with a new version of the zune with a camera in it. Of course, then it will be the greatest thing ever, and people here will be wetting their pants.

Draken said,
Real people will find the camera useful and a great addition to the #1 PMP. Only nerds and wannabe know-it-alls will find it useless, just go ask ......

/end rant


Um, how do you define "real people"? Every body is a real person and not everybody will find this useful.

andrewbares said,
Real people have cell phones. Real people carry those cell phones with them almost all day. They don't have an iPod strapped to them all day. So they would just use their phone.

And, they can actually send those pictures to friends, wherever they are.

Yeah, well since I have a cell phone, I still carry my iPod Touch with me because it's like 1000 times better, no joke. It's an LG Rumour 1. I would do the same for every other cellphone that isn't called an iPhone, so go wonder :)

Usual cellphones are just not there yet and they will never be because this is exactly the goal... Blackberries cost too much per month, Nokia smartphones, same, iPhone, same, etc. The price of the devices are really great though.

I sure as hell will love this feature. I am limited to a Sony walkman slider phone which has Internet blocked because I can't pay for it, I only have a 200 txt plan. My iPod Touch 2G has wifi everywhere, it has helped me learn how to leave a computer instead of staying on it for the whole day, I listen to music all the time, people complement me because of it and some have iPod Touches too and I have helped jailbreak them. My camera is broken and my phone's camera is crappy and why use it anyway, I can't send the pictures anywhere except to my iMac which has a bluetooth connection. So having a camera in it will make it so I will take pictures and videos for now on. Plus, have you seen the cameras Apple make in the iPhone especially the current iPhone 3GS? It is perfect! I would be shooting videos and pictures all day long, and with apps like Beejive and Skype and all others, I can now do things iPhones can do. If GPS comes along, that will make apps on the iPhone the same as on the iPod Touch, finding locations, sending videos to YouTube, syncing to iPhoto. Hello! The World of Syncing! These features will only make the iPod Touch more like an iPhone, I think Apple wants to make the next iPod Touch better than the Zune HD by making it more popular by making it more like an iPhone without the phone feature wherever you go, but still with phone capability.

TheGlassPrison said,
Yeah a camera is definitely useless in a PMP imho

PMP sure like ipod classic, ipod touch also has internet capabilities and fits more in line with MID as much as a PMP.

I don't see why the iPod touch needs a camera? Are Apple just running out of ideas? Surely, if somebody has an iPod touch, rather than an iPhone, they'd more than likely have some sort of mobile phone? Literally every mobile phone out there has a fairly decent camera in it and if somebody has the money for an iPod touch they'd have undoubtedly already have purchased a phone with a decent camera, surely? Also, when you're on a night out, you're more likely to take your phone with you than your media player, so there's no benefit in that sense with the iPod touch having a cemera.

So the way I see it is that there is no point in putting a camera in your media player unless you are also going to put a phone inside it as well - that is what we have the iPhone for...

Am I just assuming too much or does all of this make a camera in the iPod touch useless to most? I'd rather have massive features that are actually useful, to be honest

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Zune HD has to offer, as I'm more than likely going to switch to it. This news just reinforces my imminent decision, until I hear of any new features, coming to the iPod touch, which are actually useful.

Calum said,
I don't see why the iPod touch needs a camera? Are Apple just running out of ideas? Surely, if somebody has an iPod touch, rather than an iPhone, they'd more than likely have some sort of mobile phone? Literally every mobile phone out there has a fairly decent camera in it and if somebody has the money for an iPod touch they'd have undoubtedly already have purchased a phone with a decent camera, surely? Also, when you're on a night out, you're more likely to take your phone with you than your media player, so there's no benefit in that sense with the iPod touch having a cemera.

So the way I see it is that there is no point in putting a camera in your media player unless you are also going to put a phone inside it as well - that is what we have the iPhone for...

Am I just assuming too much or does all of this make a camera in the iPod touch useless to most? I'd rather have massive features that are actually useful, to be honest

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Zune HD has to offer, as I'm more than likely going to switch to it. This news just reinforces my imminent decision, until I hear of any new features, coming to the iPod touch, which are actually useful.


I'd suspect video recording more than picture taking is what they're aiming to sell here.

It doesn't need a camera as it's pointless, but maybe Apple plan to use it for more then just pictures? maybe they plan to put a GPS in it as well and use the camera in conjunction with it to tell you about the current location your in? (you know, like that thing MS demoed a year or so back?) I'm probably totally wrong, just trying to think of other reasons it might be added and just because MS demoed it first doesn't mean Apple can't do it :P ah well, that is my 2 cents take with a grain of salt.

EDIT: What giga said makes more sense then the drivel I went on about :P I forgot about video and that make alot more sense that Apple would try pushing recording video with the new touch, considering Apple invented video recording :P

Thanks giga and Xerxes and I apologise for my ignorance

I thought I might be missing some important things, so thank you for explaining :P

andrewbares said,
+1

Camera is useless, as you said. It's just gonna be a "Oh, look at what I can do" feature. And as always, those features are useless.

It is not entirely useless, a lot of people will like it and use it. I have a really crappy camera on my mobile. If my ipod had a better one, I would use it. I mean, not for proper photos, where I have a point and shoot.

I guess this is better for the younger generation, who don't already have a camera, and have a cheap mobile.

Calum said,
I don't see why the iPod touch needs a camera? Are Apple just running out of ideas? Surely, if somebody has an iPod touch, rather than an iPhone, they'd more than likely have some sort of mobile phone? Literally every mobile phone out there has a fairly decent camera in it and if somebody has the money for an iPod touch they'd have undoubtedly already have purchased a phone with a decent camera, surely? Also, when you're on a night out, you're more likely to take your phone with you than your media player, so there's no benefit in that sense with the iPod touch having a cemera.

So the way I see it is that there is no point in putting a camera in your media player unless you are also going to put a phone inside it as well - that is what we have the iPhone for...

Am I just assuming too much or does all of this make a camera in the iPod touch useless to most? I'd rather have massive features that are actually useful, to be honest

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Zune HD has to offer, as I'm more than likely going to switch to it. This news just reinforces my imminent decision, until I hear of any new features, coming to the iPod touch, which are actually useful.

lol well i certainly wouldn't complain about another camera i mean if someone has a different phone outside of an ipod that may have a camera it might not have the versatility of apples mobile platform. Not aimed at skype specifically but facebook, myspace etc would be easy and could make use of it too which it can be always handy to have separate devices for separate things like if someone has a business phone which isn't allowed facebook or media/entertainment things on. It's better they level the developers playing field when developing for ipod and iphone cause quite frankly i'm sick of seeing applications on ipod touch that want to find my location when it doesn't have GPS what's the point. Obviously there's nothing that says you can only carry one camera on you i mean looking at it from that prospective chances are there's quite a few people who carry more then one phone on them which both have cameras ? so what each device has its purpose as would ipod touch with a camera you'd at least then be able to use applications on a level playing field with iphone. Also what's wrong with a camera inside a device with no phone ? it has wifi connectivity ? isn't that enough for managing personal images and whatnot on the go or at home...why not go to manufacturers who're making cameras with wireless and flickr support built in go oh why don't you just stick a 3G chip in there too oh why not add a phone to it because a camera isn't a phone just as an ipod isn't a iphone. They serve other purposes and there's nothing wrong with adding incentive features like a camera even if you won't use it others will.

Lets also not forget people who wish to experience apples mobile platform without being locked into a contract or paying an arm and leg for either.

andrewbares said,
+1

Camera is useless, as you said. It's just gonna be a "Oh, look at what I can do" feature. And as always, those features are useless.

Wrong. People always ask me "man, why didn't you bring your camera with you again!?!?" and the answer is : why would I bring another device with me, especially because it's worth $600 more.

When I'll have an iPod Touch with a camera, be sure I will use it. Every. Single. Day.

I don't know what was on your mind when you said that, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one out there who thinks like this.

PsykX, I was referring to the fact that all mobile phones now-a-days tend to have cameras and I don't know many people with a rubbish mobile phone (but that could be different in other areas).

I was just being plain ignorant not thinking about the other uses a camera would provide, like taking photos and uploading them straight to Facebook or even a webcam for an IM application.

Calum, I was talking to andrewbares :P

But most cellphones here (if not all) have these little cameras, but I'd say that most of them (70%+) have a camera just to have one. Meaning that the quality just isn't there. I tried the one on my brand new cellphone, and ... whew... I'm never taking pictures with that again. Not only this is a 1.3 Mpixel photo, but I've never seen such a bad quality in my whole life, even with tons of light behind it. The iPhone 3GS (and the iPhone 3G) has a camera because it's a good one, otherwise it wouldn't have it most likely. I will use the camera in my iPod Touch because it will be somewhat good, hoping it'll be the same as the 3GS.

I'm very picky on the quality of pictures, and I know the iPod will still not satisfy me For one, I'm pretty sure I won't have the flash. I've got to admit though that I would never have thought that such a small camera in such a small device could be so good. Right now the $600 camera that I stole to my father 3 years ago just doesn't cut it. It's a Sony and even though I love my PS3 (from sony yeah...), I can't say Sony makes good cameras. They're not good in this domain at all.

So if I can compensate by always having a camera on my iPod, with kinda good quality and all these commodities like you said (uploading right away on Facebook as you said, etc.) I will be happy for a while. Because yes, I often go to a party and right after that I put all these pics on Facebook and it takes quite a while to do it.

Sounds good to me, I'm currently a happy iPod touch 1G owner but it has started to act up and the 8Gb capacity is beginning to get rather cramped, I've been tempted to just get a 2G but it's looking like waiting is paying off this time excellent.

Looking at the iPhone, this new camera is likely to be 2MP or just over... I'm interested whether your mobile phone has a higher megapixel camera than that? If so, I'm curious as to how this new iPod touch feature would be useful to you?

I'm honestly trying to figure that out - I just don't understand. Maybe I'm missing something important?

(Of course this is all assuming that the cameras in iPod touches are not going to be better than the average mobile phone camera)

My mobile and digital camera are both better then even what the iPhone has (5MP each) however that isn't what I'm interested in, it's the mic I'm interested in. While I'm aware the 2G has support for one it's not built in, if this is it has potential for me, that is why plus (I'm hoping) the 3G touch will share some of the upgraded hardware from the iPhone 3GS (but that could be wishful thinking on my part though) so that is my reasoning.

Thanks for explaning I didn't think about the possibilities of having both a microphone and a camera. It seems it could be useful after all

Except that I can't run more than one program at the same time, so it's either be on Skype, or browse the web.

Can you even be signed into Skype while playing music?

noroom said,
Except that I can't run more than one program at the same time, so it's either be on Skype, or browse the web.

Can you even be signed into Skype while playing music?

You most certainly can listen to music whilst running Skype. That said, lack of multitasking is going to inhibit the use of an iPod Touch as as portable VOIP phone. That is unless Apple bundle it with a generic SIP app that can run in the back ground.

Electric Bolt said,
push notifications could do it...

Except Skype doesn't do push notifications. Oh, and you'd need to wait for it to load to answer a call. 's a bit cumbersome, that.

Heh. "Skype doesn't do push notifications." They've just implemented the feature into the OS, Skype will have it one day or another. They just need their app updated and voilà.

Funny, as the iPod Touch 2G (current generation) supports microphone using headsets with mic... + Skype, and youve got voip.

Davo said,
Apple: Inventing VOIP in 2009.

This makes as much sense as saying that Microsoft are inventing OS in 2009 with Windows 7.

This ignorant apple bashing is getting tiring... don't you guys have some finger painting to do?

cakesy said,
This makes as much sense as saying that Microsoft are inventing OS in 2009 with Windows 7.

This ignorant apple bashing is getting tiring... don't you guys have some finger painting to do?

Let the kids have their fun.

Except that's a totally off-base comparison. Microsoft has never come out and acted like the Xbox 360 was the hottest in gaming because it allowed online play. They never were like "OMG THE ZUNE. IT'S LIKE MUSIC...WITHOUT A CD!" This applies to other companies too and their products. It's just ribbing apple for *always* being behind the production curve and then using their marketing machine to distract the masses. It's similar to MagicJack acting like they've revolutionized the telecom industry.

cakesy said,
This makes as much sense as saying that Microsoft are inventing OS in 2009 with Windows 7.

This ignorant apple bashing is getting tiring... don't you guys have some finger painting to do?

You don't get it obviously. Simply, Apple get credit for inventing whatever they release - like touchscreen phones, or mp3 players.

mrmckeb said,
You don't get it obviously. Simply, Apple get credit for inventing whatever they release - like touchscreen phones, or mp3 players.


Or like their new advert suggests....copy and paste!! lol

chemaz101 said,
Or like their new advert suggests....copy and paste!! lol

Please show me anywhere where apple claims to have invented copy-paste, touch screens.... anything that you people seem to believe they have?? Can't do it can you, because it only exists in your minds.

Apple just knows how to implement it better than the competition. They make it look cool and most times, work better. Isn't that why some people buy the latest handbag brand or the latest style of jeans or shirts? Because they look cool/better...? I don't get why everybody hates on Apple and their brand of Mac computers. Maybe its because THEY KNOW they're better than the crap Microsoft feed you! I'm not going to to lie, I own a PC running XP and an XBox360 but I also find my iMac better/easier to use, just my preference.

Apple is a little bit like "every other country" compared to the United States.

I mean, United States are the one who invent the technology (thanks to their army), but "every other country" knows how to actually make it good and useable.

(ok this is partly a joke, I hope you guys understood that, but it is also partly true... sorry :P)

I wouldnt call it "invent", I would say "utilises" VoIP for the first time on an already popular device.

Why shouldnt they do this? I dont think they could charge significantly higher than the current price of the iPod Touch, so this is a welcome addition (hopefully; it IS only a rumour still).

Believe me, I hate Apple fanboy-ism, as much as any fanboy-ism, but this is a GOOD idea.

darkpuma said,
No... its more like 'Apple: Making VOIP COOL TO USE in 2009'.

No, it's more like: "hello i'm an iPod owner, it's 2009 and i don't know what VOIP is, but my iPod looks cool and i look cool when using it."

ripgut said,
No, it's more like: "hello i'm an iPod owner, it's 2009 and i don't know why other mp3 player makers make such crappy players, but my iPod looks cool and works like a dream...far better than any other mp3 player. "

fixed this for you....

pc_tool said,
fixed this for you....


"Hello i'm an iPod owner, it's 2009 and i don't know why other mp3 players make such crappy players, but being "crappy" is a subjective term to use. So i should just stick to looking cool with my trendschmuck toy of an mp3 play"

Davo said,
Except that's a totally off-base comparison. Microsoft has never come out and acted like the Xbox 360 was the hottest in gaming because it allowed online play. They never were like "OMG THE ZUNE. IT'S LIKE MUSIC...WITHOUT A CD!" This applies to other companies too and their products. It's just ribbing apple for *always* being behind the production curve and then using their marketing machine to distract the masses. It's similar to MagicJack acting like they've revolutionized the telecom industry.

Are you sure of that?

I remember MS talking about HD gaming like if it was new while launching the 360. PC gamers have been playing HD games for ages.

ripgut said,
"Hello i'm an iPod owner, it's 2009 and i don't know why other mp3 players make such crappy players, but being "crappy" is a subjective term to use. So i should just stick to looking cool with my trendschmuck toy of an mp3 play"

The iPod Touch is a really nice mp3 player.

Overpriced yes but if someone has the money to spend for it then it's a very good choise.