Porn to be opt-in in the UK

All internet porn is to be blocked at the ISP level under a UK Government plan.

According to a Sunday Times story being republished around the globe the plan, to be discussed next month with major ISPs including BT, Virgin Media and TalkTalk, would require all pornography to be blocked. Adults would then have to opt-in to get access to pornography. It is not clear at this point what kinds of materials would be considered porn and therefore blocked under the scheme.

The idea of an opt-in system was raised by Conservative MP Claire Perry in November, following a study that suggested one-in-three children under 10 had seen pornography on the internet. In 2007, the British Government asked ISPs to block child pornography using a list provided by the Internet Watch Foundation. Proponents of the opt-in porn blocking scheme have pointed to that trial as evidence a wider blocking scheme would be technically feasible.

UK communications minister Ed Vaizey told The Sunday Times that he hoped to convince ISPs to take on the scheme voluntarily.

"I'm hoping they will get their acts together so we don't have to legislate, but we are keeping an eye on the situation and we will have a new communications bill in the next couple of years,'' he said.

It appeared some ISPs were prepared to take on the government plan, with one TalkTalk executive suggesting providers should be forced to filter porn if they do not choose to do so without coercion.

''If other companies aren't going to do it of their own volition, then maybe they should be leant on. Legislation is a sledgehammer but it could work,'' executive director of strategy and regulation Andrew Heaney said. TalkTalk intends to introduce a service dubbed ''bright feed'' that would allow homeowners to restrict access to internet content based on a cinema-style rating system.

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Protecting children on the internet aside, who's every come into contact with a web filtering system that isn't annoyingly terrible at classifying content? I've had a person site be blocked because of pornography from a single line in a post about Revison3's show Unboxing Porn.

It should be the other way around. If you want to block Porn on your connection, you opt-in to that!

Anyone heard of a Proxy, I assume they should block all them as well, As kids will only work around the mass ISP ban on porn.

While I find it silly that porn is needed on the internet or that people seem to "need" porn I don't actually agree with government censorship of the sovereign power that is the internet just my view while I hate and detest the fact something as good as the internet is being used for people sexual pleasure I don't see the government has the ethical right or mandate.

Isn't this just in time for cloud computing to take off?how are they going to police your internet access if you are using a virtual desktop somewhere on the internet?
This plan is fail in many ways

Block porn, what's next? Slippy slop.

And who has access to the list of allowed users? That would be great when it gets leaked online and now everyone knows your a perv. haha

war said,
And who has access to the list of allowed users? That would be great when it gets leaked online and now everyone knows your a perv. haha

It's not like you're a registered sex offender or something. If anything such a leak would be the digital equivalent of how people used to buy porn--shuffling up to the counter with an X-rated magazine or movie and hoping nobody recognises them.

I think it's not a bad idea to block it as long as it's opt-in, but as others have said, the problem for me is that things like that start a slippery slope...

naap51stang said,
If they blocked porn, just think how FAST the internet would be!

Haha that is true, contention would not be nearly as much of an issue.

I don't understand. How would seeing porn affect anything? I watched pron back when I was 11 and 12 and it hasn't affected me. You don't see me disrespecting women or becoming a nympho just because they make it seem like sex is easy to obtain.

I'm 17 so I know I don't have the views a parent would have but is that a bad thing?

I first saw it when I was the same age... My brother in law used to look at some site named Maria Carry (Hawaiian Chick that loved bananas) If anything, it improved my respect for the ladies. I look at them as superiors now.

This is a great idea. Those who opose it are immature, and would gladly support it if they had pre-teen kids.

you're completely running on the assumption that people complaining here don't have kids.
And as stated before, on other sites the articles specifically brought up cases where the children were exposed in homes where what they didn't point out, were from the sounds of it the most likely places at least one of the parents would opt-in, making it a home content filtering problem same as it is now (if the parents are even that bothered)

qdave said,
This is a great idea. Those who opose it are immature, and would gladly support it if they had pre-teen kids.

I have pre-teen children, and though I don't live in the UK, I really don't like the idea of a government mandated ISP block on porn. If our government in the US tried this nonsense, you can bet that a lot of people would oppose it.

So one stupid bitch (Claire Perry) is upset that her son or daughter watched porn on the internet and she is trying to change the world. Reminds me of the other Labour stupid bitch that tried to ban hookers and ended up losing her job.

Reminds me of Dr. Cox in Scrubs: "If they ever banned porn sites then there will be only one web site: bring back the porn!"
or something like that

Soulsiphon said,
No thanks. Be on some porno opt-in list? Really?

Exactly my point. This is a double violation of rights A) my internet is content restricted B) I must tell you I want to watch porn and you will keep me in a list and possibly monitor me as well.
If this is child safety then what happened to good old parental controls? you get a free one with windows live for example.

There go all the sales from the UK on the sites that my wife and I run. Not that we get a lot of sales from the UK anyway, but we do get some.

This is ridiculous when their main argument is based around protecting kids in disadvantaged families with bad parents, which are precisely where the internet line owner would opt in so it wouldn't be any different!
At least target your money devouring schemes at things that will have some (any) actual difference.
I don't know, how about... investing in educating the nation, so it has a future?

Other questions have to be so what is porn, and what is just adult content? and what's next?

Why haven't they learnt from the filter failures of Australia wasting vast amounts of money?
Or are they just looking for feature creep towards china firewall v2?

How long would it be before other 'undesirable' sites get secretly classed as porn? and we're hard pushed to even learn that it's happened.

And how do they plan on blocking every single porn-containing web page exactly? Would they have a list of blocked website like companie's proxies?

And would people have to opt-in with their broadband provider, mobile internet provider, university network IT managers, starbuck's coffee WiFi, and the likes? (the starbucks thing is a joke btw).

And wouldn't the mere existence of a list with people that opt-in be a huge invasion of privacy?

If they are going to mantain a list of porn website, wouldn't it be better to force every PC sold to contain a software that keeps that list updated and does the blocking locally?

What will be done with the list of those who have opted in? Sold for marketing, on a police watch list. And how is it done, registered ip, an individuals name, if I opt in, does that mean my brother and mum etc are registered as opted in? How is that right!

And all those net cafe's with the posters saying, registered for porn use!

i'm all for the idea... but one question i have is how do they plan to completely block ALL porn? new sites always spawn every day regardless of its subject matter...

They should preface all porn with the "dark side" of porn... like they are doing with cigarette packages here in the states now... showing people dying of cancer and stuff like that...

Show all the teenagers that are starving, that need money ... or are on drugs and need money, whatever. See how the films are really made behind the scenes, etc.

Once you start blocking Porn, next goes Hate Speech, Politically Incorrect Speech, Religious People Rights Violation, Illegal Activity, Free Thought... Than some idiot in the Gov't decides that Internet is Evil Period and blocks it altogether. Next picture my imagination brings up is highly illegal, invitation only, Internet cafes where you use Satellites to access the Proper Internet, payment is cash only please.

... and don't you dare to compare Soviet Union with that in Soviet Union you at least could live.

I'm not concerned about the censorship issue here, as you can still choose to get the concentrate.

My main concern is the issue of placing regulations concerning legal content on the Internet which can lead to technical well as logistical issues. For example, would it become law that every new porn startup would have to register their site with whoever manages this list?

Val Thе Awеsome said,
Torrents always remain an option...

As well as SSH tunnels, Proxies, VPNs, Tor. I can't see this blocking a whole lot.

Obvious, children are a bodyguard for the Government to start filtering the internet and will now have an excuse to introduce some form of internet tax, obvious.

We can shout and cry for our Government to teach oblivious and ignorant parents about the internet and computers that their children use, but all this really just gives the Government great ammunition to introduce new laws. After all, they will do anything to increase the countries income.

Brian M said,
I have no problem with them blocking porn, it's what ELSE their filters catch as porn that bothers me.

So you oppose censorship, except for things that you want censored, which is censorship.

Windows Live Family safety is brilliant for this BTW, perhaps the government should do an advertising campaign to educate parents, rather than spend the money enforcing.

My Problem is, WAF (Wife acceptance factor)

'Why is porn not blocked on our internet Mark'

I don't think they must have forgot us will go down too well, and it will be obvious that I requested it be unblocked.

Yay, internet censorship!
It should be an issue of personal responsibility and should not be controlled by the government.

tell the student protests in london to stop what they are doing and solve this issue, this is waaaay more important

Me: Hello, Can you activate to see porn on my PC?
ISP: Would you like to add to the service to NOT show this on your Bill?
Me: Yes, I would be in trouble if my girl knows it.
ISP: No problem, Have a great ......!
Me, Thanks, I will do!

someone needs to fight this.. once you allow just this type of traffic to be blocked then you open up the door for others. You guys in the UK need to fight this tooth and nail!!

I hate reading crap like this. People posting that they don't have a problem with it. Do you not see the bigger picture here??

It doesn't suprise me about all the negatives on here (You guys are internet savvy, probably quite young males and so many don't have kids yet or are worried this my affect you - lol).

Ask someone who doesn't know about the internet much if this would help, I'm sure they'd say it's a good thing and that anyone who watches p0rn is a perve.

I don't care, I can just opt-in if I want...

imachip said,

Ask someone who doesn't know about the internet much if this would help, I'm sure they'd say it's a good thing and that anyone who watches p0rn is a perve.

Its not about porn though. Its about them getting a foot in the door into censoring the net. The government will use any topic they feel fit Terrorism, Porn, Child Porn so drum up support then once its in and they start blocking access to other information it's already too late.

So first you partner doesn't want to have sex after she has a child and then your internet doesn't want to show it to you either.

The natural urge to procreate is going to start disappearing.

It's opt in? wonter who is tracking the opt-in list for blackmail?

Just wait till something like IGN is locked because Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball shows girls in skimpy bikinies

I wrote an entire rant on this but you know .. this is just the idea of one or two people and won't necessarily get anywhere at all.

this is stupid, pt in may still hold the same 1:3 kids seeing porn, more so, it could go as high as 2:3 or 3:3 seeing is as their parents (uncle or what not) opts in thus, the kid would have access to it.

I have no problem with anyone watching porn (as i turned up just fine), but at the same time have school talk about (same with sex ed)

It would be interesting to know how they are actually going to implement this. I assume they mean they will block sites like PormHub and etc. But for every one major site, there is around small/minor sites.

Yeah, that's going to be a major problem. What if a site like Neowin ends up blocked because it has NSFW sections?

They need to figure out what is considered "porn" and what is not. There is no clear cut answer so something like this makes no sense.

Might as well turn the internet off then. heh... i saw porn by the time i was teen and that over 30 years ago. called magazines. Playboy, Penthouse, remember those things? sigh.

A slippery slope to censorship. What next? Political dissent? Successive UK governments have looked at the great firewall of China with envy for sometime, so this is wholly unsurprising. I'm just glad my household uses a DNS system independent of my ISP. At least my criticisms of my own government can't be silenced.

And don't bet your country will be exempt from this either. We know these kind of oppressive laws spread like a virus, just look at the three strikes debacle for evidence.

Flawed said,
A slippery slope to censorship. What next? Political dissent? Successive UK governments have looked at the great firewall of China with envy for sometime, so this is wholly unsurprising. I'm just glad my household uses a DNS system independent of my ISP. At least my criticisms of my own government can't be silenced.

And don't bet your country will be exempt from this either. We know these kind of oppressive laws spread like a virus, just look at the three strikes debacle for evidence.

You make it sound cooler than it is. You mean you use different DNS servers. All the ISPs need to do is stop you making requests to other servers then their own. Some ISPs do this already but we arent talking about that at all. We are talking about Deep Packet Inspection. No Pun intended.

Brilliant! Can you imagine the phone conversation to sign up?!

"Yes sir that's all fine. And finally, would you like to opt-in for unrestricted internet porn?"

"Err... ha..."

*Looks over at wife and speaks unusually loud and slow as he casually walks out into the kitchen*

"NO, OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT PORN UNRESTRICTED, WHY WOULD WE.... right, my visa card number is 4519..."

"Fine sir, and would you like the fetish package for an additional £4.99/month?"

"What do I get in that?"

"Sir, the fetish package includes Bondage, Feet, Midgets, and Chicks with Dicks"

"That sounds disgusting! Why you I..."

"It's free for the first 3 months"

"...ok sign me up"

.Vamp said,
"Sir, the fetish package includes Bondage, Feet, Midgets, and Chicks with Dicks"

Are there any discounts for just the bondage package? I mean, err... *cough* quiet in here...

Not a problem for me, since I don't view porn anyway.

But it should be the web browsers that do this; not the ISPs.

Meph said,
Not a problem for me, since I don't view porn anyway.

But it should be the web browsers that do this; not the ISPs.


Why should web browsers or ISP's block porn anyway? What happens if a curious kid sees porn? The kid dies? Get mentally scarred for life?

Meph said,
Not a problem for me, since I don't view porn anyway.

There's an old quote people should consider before jumping on the 'it doesn't effect me so meh' bandwagon

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up." (Pastor Martin Niemöller)

yakumo said,

There's an old quote people should consider before jumping on the 'it doesn't effect me so meh' bandwagon

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up." (Pastor Martin Niemöller)

+1000

TogaForComfort said,
Another case of the Government trying to replace the role of the parent


Mind you, have you seen some of the parents in this country?

Oh dear, considering about 60% of the Virgin Media customers view pron... In a recent independent survey around 90% of internet users openally admitted, that they visited Warez and Pron websites. I personally don't care, I don't need pron. although, there are some people who cannot live without it. I say bring in on ban these websites.

Why should people be forced to request access to porn? I do not wish to telephone a call center and ask a stranger to enable porn access for me.

DKcomputers said,
Why should people be forced to request access to porn? I do not wish to telephone a call center and ask a stranger to enable porn access for me.

DKcomputers said,
Why should people be forced to request access to porn? I do not wish to telephone a call center and ask a stranger to enable porn access for me.

"Hello, I would like you request that you... eh... you know...a.c.ti.va.te the... you know, that thing..."

Victor V. said,

"Hello, I would like you request that you... eh... you know...a.c.ti.va.te the... you know, that thing..."

As part of my job I build/operate call centres - I would love to be involved in that one.

So once mum and dad have opted in, this helps how…?

I can envisage the fallout, a plethora of porn starved people phoning up Indian call centres to request access to porn. Religious groups outraged at the immorality and the fact that their faithful are being put in this ‘uncomfortable', ‘immoral' position.

Freedom of information demands over the names of people who opt-in so that they can be kept away from the rest of "moral" society leading to vigilantism. The state logging what you're looking at just in case you're 10 years old and a lawsuit needs to be filed!

Finally the government will cave in to a minority group and just ban it.

I'm such a cynic.
But in all seriousness; how about parents parenting their children. If you have a 10 year old using your home computer to look at adult content, then perhaps you should question where the source of the problem really rests?
Who will police this? They're not going to be able to block pornographic spam domains or advertising that get levied against key words. Hell, you log onto Neowin from time to time and get provocative adverts, not full pornographic admittedly but there is a fine line. They can't block it all, just the more obvious and mass-market brands such as these 'lads mags' that you see - and worse.

Finally, when it comes down to it. This won't be free, the ISP's will have to regulate it, buy in technology to do it, implement complex reporting structured to oversight groups and use it as an excuse to increase everyone's rates.

Net effect: the kids just go to their friend's house to look at it (and now all know that that kids parents look at it). The kids who stumble upon it accidentally and who shouldn't be exposed to this will continue to be accidentally exposed to it. This is simply because whatever filtering solution winds up being implemented won't filter at a granular enough level to block the immoral and unscrupulous scum who take no responsibility for what they post on the Internet in order to make the fastest $ possible.

- Kaboose - said,
sounds like Britain is inventing another tax to cash in on the porn industry

+1

I was just about to say! Porn is a huge business!

Its deffo down to the parents to make sure their kids don't watch it, thats what siteblock programs are for!

Matt Hardwick said,
Yep - Said this earlier - Cameron's Britain, abide or get a truncheon to the face. http://inapcache.boston.com/un...test_12_10/l14_26263859.jpg

Oh, the fickleness of the general public... Because nothing like this has ever happened before, and it wasn't anything to do with the fact that they were rioting, not just protesting. There is a difference you know. Riot police are called riot police because they deal with rioters. Should I mention again that they were rioting?

All I ever see are pictures of the riot police trying to do their jobs while under pressure from all the idiots who were rioting in the first place. As a student, I honestly couldn't give a toss if the fees went up, we're here for an education, not a free ride! Also, don't forget who implemented the top-up fees in the first place

acnpt said,
"Riot Police" don't exist, and you don't give a toss as you won't get hit by the higher fees.

You don't exist, but I still wish I could toss you.

But in honesty, the good news is that due to the lack of government funding towards upgrading the British Infrastructure, the 1 in 3 kids under 10 years of age, that they speak of can only download 1 naked lady every 30 minutes.

What a load of complete ********. So first lets filter porn to make sure our Great Firewall of Britain is working right. Then we just can begin filtering anything we want until you say otherwise.

nub said,
If this thing ever becomes a reality, I sure to hell hope people riot.

Riot over porn hahaha how funny would that be. One thing I want to do in life is take part in a Riot. This might be my one and only chance hahah

nub said,
If this thing ever becomes a reality, I sure to hell hope people riot.

"What do we want!? COCKS! When do we want them!!?! NOW!!!"

What happened to personal responsibility? If it was opt-out I would get it, but now ISP's are forced to create a list of 'porn-watchers' -.-' Pretty lame.

Matchmuchach said,
What happened to personal responsibility? If it was opt-out I would get it, but now ISP's are forced to create a list of 'porn-watchers' -.-' Pretty lame.

I love the way that the govt. was like if they don't volunteer we shall just legislate it and force them.

Matchmuchach said,
What happened to personal responsibility? If it was opt-out I would get it, but now ISP's are forced to create a list of 'porn-watchers' -.-' Pretty lame.

That would be the best job in the world.

dancedar said,
Isn't typing and going to a porn website opting in; and not going opting out enough?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN, WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Matt Hardwick said,

THINK OF THE CHILDREN, WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

yeah that will be they're using to enforce this, the children. parents are dumb and stupid, they are the "professionals", leave it to them.
on a larger scale, if this pushes through you bet your sweet pants other countries will follow suit along with new "opt-ins".

Wow soon being a parent will just involve sitting them infront of a computer and TV and occasionally feeding them food and water... Oh and maybe some love here and there

But heaven forbid they seen porn or play a computer game its sue time!

Ently said,
Wow soon being a parent will just involve sitting them infront of a computer and TV and occasionally feeding them food and water... Oh and maybe some love here and there

But heaven forbid they seen porn or play a computer game its sue time!

^..this!

Hows about making parents that don't do their job properly fdeel bad, you know a name and shame or similar, instead of constantly making them feel its ok to blame tv, internet, games etc - make them get involved in their kids lives and if they dont want little jonny to watch something they can sort it out themselves, and not force ISP's (through government legislation) to do the job for them (which will probably increase the costs).

Being a parent is getting easier and easier...The government is starting to do everything that parents use to do...Like keeping an eye on their children...Soon, the government will be changing their diapers too...
Also...How are they going to block 85% of the internet? lol

ncc50446 said,
Being a parent is getting easier and easier...The government is starting to do everything that parents use to do...Like keeping an eye on their children...Soon, the government will be changing their diapers too...
Also...How are they going to block 85% of the internet? lol

It'll be easier to allow 15%...

houlty said,
yeah, next it will be torrent / file-sharing sites...

we'll end up like china.

This is Cameron's Britain... more developed but just as communist.

Matt Hardwick said,

This is Cameron's Britain... more developed but just as communist.

No, it's definitely not communism. Communism is when there is essentially no social class difference, and almost everyone has roughly the same amount of money. What Cameron is doing is making the poor people even poorer, and the rich gits even more richer. He's a reverse Robin Hood.

MightyJordan said,

No, it's definitely not communism. Communism is when there is essentially no social class difference, and almost everyone has roughly the same amount of money. What Cameron is doing is making the poor people even poorer, and the rich gits even more richer. He's a reverse Robin Hood.

what's it called where the govt controls everything then?

Matt Hardwick said,

what's it called where the govt controls everything then?

Fascism is the word you are looking for!!

This is getting ridiculous now, more and more censorship in the guise of "protection of innocents" yet ulitmately its another form of control and removal of civil liberties.

There has been a similar law going through the Senate in the USA about something very similar (albeit that was concerned with infriginging copyrighted material): http://www.eff.org/coica.

Colin-uk said,
yay for censoring >.<

before long it will expanded to other things, and then they will introduce complete blocks.


They already have complete blocks here in Sweden, and although they're said to only cover child porn, that's hard to verify since the block lists are secret...

The Teej said,
as soon as I saw the name Ed Vaizey this article made perfect sense to this complete bull****

Couldn't be more true.

What this article doesn't say is that Dave Cameron will likely levy a fee, a tax if you will, in order to opt-in.
If the Conservative party don't, then the ISPs will.

This country has lost the ****ing plot - time to move to a country that doesn't tax porn!

(I should point out it's not just porn-tax I have an issue with in this country).

Matt Hardwick said,
What this article doesn't say is that Dave Cameron will likely levy a fee, a tax if you will, in order to opt-in.
If the Conservative party don't, then the ISPs will.

This country has lost the ****ing plot - time to move to a country that doesn't tax porn!

(I should point out it's not just porn-tax I have an issue with in this country).

I should say also that I probably won't opt-in if it's not too zealous, I just have an issue with the internet being filtered based on what some old far in a govt. office decides is "adult content" - what one considers to be adult content is relative to the individual.

Matt Hardwick said,
What this article doesn't say is that Dave Cameron will likely levy a fee, a tax if you will, in order to opt-in.
If the Conservative party don't, then the ISPs will.

This country has lost the ****ing plot - time to move to a country that doesn't tax porn!

(I should point out it's not just porn-tax I have an issue with in this country).


Pardon my ignorance of that thar interwebs but couldnt you just use another DNS like OpenDNS to get round the block?

Richard Hammond said,

Pardon my ignorance of that thar interwebs but couldnt you just use another DNS like OpenDNS to get round the block?

No I don't think so. There are more ISP level filtering techniques than just DNS filtering. And who's to say we wouldn't be sanctioned for trying to get around it, this is, after all, Cameron's "big britain" ... Welcome ... http://inapcache.boston.com/un...test_12_10/l14_26263859.jpg and merry christmas ... http://inapcache.boston.com/un...test_12_10/l24_26268619.jpg

Richard Hammond said,

Pardon my ignorance of that thar interwebs but couldnt you just use another DNS like OpenDNS to get round the block?

An ISP can see traffic addresses as they see fit, even if they are tunneled from many other places, it just takes more time. You can use whatever bounce/rout stratagy you wish, but because of how packets are made it doesn't really hide the start/end points.

Well I don't see a problem with it. One-in-three under 10's having seen porn isn't surprising really, so this should help reduce that. There shouldn't be a problem with adults having to opt-in.

Chris4 said,
Well I don't see a problem with it. One-in-three under 10's having seen porn isn't surprising really, so this should help reduce that. There shouldn't be a problem with adults having to opt-in.

Any that needs to be reduced because... of morality crap we got from the Modern Europe from the Church? Oh please. A ten-year-old can barely hold an erection, and he can get the worst type of porn by just opening his parent's door at night.

I watched porn way before I was 10, and if I remember well, I just didn't have a clue of what was going on.

Chris4 said,
Well I don't see a problem with it. One-in-three under 10's having seen porn isn't surprising really, so this should help reduce that. There shouldn't be a problem with adults having to opt-in.

I agree but imo it would be better to do it the other way around. Full internet unless you have kids so you opt in to block them sites.

SK[ said,]

I agree but imo it would be better to do it the other way around. Full internet unless you have kids so you opt in to block them sites.


+1 seriously. Surprised it's not being debated.

SK[ said,]I agree but imo it would be better to do it the other way around. Full internet unless you have kids so you opt in to block them sites.

THIS. The concept of anyone having to "opt-in" to freedom of press, speech, etc is just idiotic.

I don't think it's a bad idea for ISP's to be required to have a system in place to block this content if the user so chooses, but the blocking service should be opt-in, not forced on everyone by default across the board regardless of whether they want it or not.

Spirit Dave said,
I don't care, I will just opt in

But it's a slippery slope when they start restricting access to certain sites. Why not just block all torrent sites while they are at it?

DomZ said,

But it's a slippery slope when they start restricting access to certain sites. Why not just block all torrent sites while they are at it?


4chan and many trackers will be blocked anyway, for pornographic material.

DomZ said,

But it's a slippery slope when they start restricting access to certain sites. Why not just block all torrent sites while they are at it?

They're not blocking, they're trying to organise a system that allows adults to have content limited so children don't see it.

I think people forget, we live in the free west. Regardless of how much you feel restricted, you'll never be restricted like the Chinese etc. Feel lucky that you have the freedom to go on sites you want. If you want access to these sites, like me, you should just opt in. I don't have kids. If I did, I'd welcome this, because it is very easy for children to stumble on things they shouldn't. Hell, even google, with restrictions, still shows up porn a lot in searches. I think this is a good move. My brother's kids shouldn't be exposed by default to this.

Spirit Dave said,
I think this is a good move. My brother's kids shouldn't be exposed by default to this.

If this blocking is at the ISP level, and your brother opts in to it, how exactly is that going to put his kids in any different situation than they are today?

Spirit Dave said,

They're not blocking, they're trying to organise a system that allows adults to have content limited so children don't see it.

I think people forget, we live in the free west. Regardless of how much you feel restricted, you'll never be restricted like the Chinese etc. Feel lucky that you have the freedom to go on sites you want. If you want access to these sites, like me, you should just opt in. I don't have kids. If I did, I'd welcome this, because it is very easy for children to stumble on things they shouldn't. Hell, even google, with restrictions, still shows up porn a lot in searches. I think this is a good move. My brother's kids shouldn't be exposed by default to this.

While I was reading your comment, I almost thought that I wrote it!! I.e. same view

Spirit Dave said,

They're not blocking, they're trying to organise a system that allows adults to have content limited so children don't see it.

I think people forget, we live in the free west. Regardless of how much you feel restricted, you'll never be restricted like the Chinese etc. Feel lucky that you have the freedom to go on sites you want. If you want access to these sites, like me, you should just opt in. I don't have kids. If I did, I'd welcome this, because it is very easy for children to stumble on things they shouldn't. Hell, even google, with restrictions, still shows up porn a lot in searches. I think this is a good move. My brother's kids shouldn't be exposed by default to this.


At the same time... It's a minor annoyance that probably won't prevent children/under 18s from watching pornography.

At best it might teach children something about proxies or the wonders of smaller, lesser known, torrent sites. Not to mention the fact that due to the immense size of the block list, chances are whatever method they use it will block sites it shouldn't.

If parents want to try and protect their children, they should install software to do so. The rest of us should not have to pay for some silly useless system to be installed, not to mention the inconvenience it would cause us.

Spirit Dave said,

They're not blocking, they're trying to organise a system that allows adults to have content limited so children don't see it.

The government should not take over the responsibility of a parent or guardian. If a parent doesn't like this material on the internet their are plenty of tools and dns options for them to block them on their own. In the same sense that the person you quoted, once you hand over this control to the government on what is allowed and not allowed, it becomes very dangerous. Next thing you know they will be taking down legitimate news sites or information ( WikiLeaks anyone ?) This is a terrible precedence.

Spirit Dave said,

I think people forget, we live in the free west. Regardless of how much you feel restricted, you'll never be restricted like the Chinese etc.

It's a slippery slope when you introduce measures like this. No we don't live in China yet but things like this get brought in "bit by bit" and its short sighted comments like this that allow them to be railroaded in.

The IWF at the moment is blocking sites for "Child Porn" on most ISPs and depending on the implementation it causes all sorts of issues. Legitimate file sharing sites for example megaupload get "filtered" as they *may* contain porn so all requests for MegaUpload go via the IWF proxy and come from a single IP which means download limits get hit in minutes. The ISP has no control over it and blindly allows a non government third party massive control over your internet connection with no accountability.

Nihilus said,

If parents want to try and protect their children, they should install software to do so. The rest of us should not have to pay for some silly useless system to be installed, not to mention the inconvenience it would cause us.

No but they will (as have many before) as sensitive topics like "porn" and "Child Porn" blindside people into pushing this though with little objection. Once the system is pretense is setup it makes it easier to shoe things though the door.