PS3 units to be seized by EU customs in patent dispute

Customs officers throughout Europe have been told to seize new imports of Playstation 3 consoles. The Civil Court of Justice in Hague has ordered all new PS3s imported into Europe to be confiscated for at least 10 days. It follows consumer electronics manufacturer LG winning a preliminary injunction against Sony as part of a patent dispute concerning Blu-Ray technology.

LG is pushing for a cut of each Playstation 3 sold. They allege the device infringes on several of LG's patents. Sony have thus far refused to comment on the matter, saying they will not discuss ongoing legal affairs. The two companies are bitter rivals in the consumer electronics market and have no less than seven separate ongoing patent disputes.

The move is unlikely to affect the supply chain to stores in Europe too much, as officials at the main import points for Europe in the Netherlands have advised that there are significant PS3 stockpiles in warehouses. Furthermore, most large European retailers typically have around 3 weeks supply of stock in their supply chains. If, however, the injunction was to be made permanent, this could cause serious headaches for Sony. This does not seem likely given the amount of time that has passed since the Playstation 3 has been on the market. The move by LG is widely seen as a leveraged tactic to put pressure on Sony to settle and give them a cut of the Playstation pie.

Sony, however, is not very likely to be accommodating given that such a settlement would cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation against past and future sales of the console.

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wat ? how do you have patent dispute with blu-ray which is a collaboratively developed standard with multiple inputs and contributions from all participating association members. LG is part of this as is Sony. So technically wouldn't this be like eye gouging your mate just cause he wore same pair of pants as you ?

Digitalx said,
wat ? how do you have patent dispute with blu-ray which is a collaboratively developed standard with multiple inputs and contributions from all participating association members. LG is part of this as is Sony. So technically wouldn't this be like eye gouging your mate just cause he wore same pair of pants as you ?

Yep and sony should go after everything that LG has a blue ray on. Also every time a sony game played on LG monitor sony should get royal teas. As well as for sony adds. I think the patent system should be illegalized. So they can't blow the smoke up consumers tailpipe.

Digitalx said,
wat ? how do you have patent dispute with blu-ray which is a collaboratively developed standard with multiple inputs and contributions from all participating association members. LG is part of this as is Sony. So technically wouldn't this be like eye gouging your mate just cause he wore same pair of pants as you ?

Hopefully more will come clear, but I'm confused on this as well. If they both worked on it, and both hold the rights, how is one really infringing on the other?

enocheed, learn what patents actually are, please.

shakey, to quote myself: "Depends a lot on what the patents are about, and how much the standards cover." Just because they worked on the standard together, doesn't mean everything about blu-ray implementations would be part of it.

You do realize that who is going to "suffer" is us the consumer. EU PSN already has way less things than the other 2 PSN stores. We already get most games (aside from We Dare lol) much time after the others, if at all. Just because they have been trying to fight the hackings doesn't mean they are irremediably evil.

If LG wants a cut of Sony's profits we're gonna pay for it.

ozulus said,
You do realize that who is going to "suffer" is us the consumer. EU PSN already has way less things than the other 2 PSN stores. We already get most games (aside from We Dare lol) much time after the others, if at all. Just because they have been trying to fight the hackings doesn't mean they are irremediably evil.

If LG wants a cut of Sony's profits we're gonna pay for it.


its their goddamn system, if you dont agree with it, DONT BUY IT, GET AN XBOX/WII.

its pathetic how Sony is hated for fighting the hackings to their system!

People dont understand that when your able to sign your own games, piracy is EASY as pie.

People also dont know or forgotten, that Sony has lost several billions of USD on the entire Playstation project so far. They're using profit from other divisions to make up for the loss they've made and are making on the entire damn playstation project!

But hey, they give the community something back at a cost, even tho they might be *******s.... keep in mind that THEY ARE NOT EVEN MAKING A PROFIT! and if they would start making a profit, it will take YEARS to balance out the losses they made thus far........

worst is, if their system is hacked, no game publisher in their right mind will release games for the PS3....

damn idiots.

haters be hating

oh ye and if you want OtherOS, its available even to the PS3slim, but Sony reserves the right to kickban you from their network if your not using material Sony provides... 1+1=??

before people start, First year of the Playstation 1, Sony lost 200million USD on the project..
Cant find the article but during the PS2 period, they had a loss of IIRC 4-5billion USD in total.
Considering they sold the PS3 at a loss aswell, including advertising, buying out companies etc.etc. I really doubt they turned those 4-5bill around into a profit in a matter of just 5 years in a 15 year project thus far.

ah found more recent one of 2008, where in a single quarter Sony lost 400million USD on the Playstation Project all together.... a single goddamn quarter

Shadowzz said,

its their goddamn system, if you dont agree with it, DONT BUY IT, GET AN XBOX/WII.

its pathetic how Sony is hated for fighting the hackings to their system!

People dont understand that when your able to sign your own games, piracy is EASY as pie.

People also dont know or forgotten, that Sony has lost several billions of USD on the entire Playstation project so far. They're using profit from other divisions to make up for the loss they've made and are making on the entire damn playstation project!

But hey, they give the community something back at a cost, even tho they might be *******s.... keep in mind that THEY ARE NOT EVEN MAKING A PROFIT! and if they would start making a profit, it will take YEARS to balance out the losses they made thus far........

worst is, if their system is hacked, no game publisher in their right mind will release games for the PS3....

damn idiots.

haters be hating

oh ye and if you want OtherOS, its available even to the PS3slim, but Sony reserves the right to kickban you from their network if your not using material Sony provides... 1+1=??

I have a Wii too, it's not because of the OtherOS or anything else, please calm down. I'd love to try it but if i can't idc. It's just that all these things, the ones that are going to pay aren't the hackers or sony. It's us.

ozulus said,
You do realize that who is going to "suffer" is us the consumer. EU PSN already has way less things than the other 2 PSN stores. We already get most games (aside from We Dare lol) much time after the others, if at all. Just because they have been trying to fight the hackings doesn't mean they are irremediably evil.

If LG wants a cut of Sony's profits we're gonna pay for it.

Do you realize that you could boycott LG by not buying anything of theirs in Europa. Also returning alll you bought. Also I think sony should settle and then just offer bundles on sony with sony Tvs to get LG back for this and screw LGs profits.

neufuse said,
Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe

Oh so you believe that sony lost on ps3? What are you some 4 year old that believes in sandy claws? you sell something for 499 that can be made for pennies in china and claim that you are loosing so much on it and people buy it like sugar cuz they think its a bargain that will end soon. This is called genius marketing. Steve Jobs should learn from this. Oh but wait. He taught them well.

Yep Sonya does everybody except Uropeans.

Shadowzz said,

its their goddamn system, if you dont agree with it, DONT BUY IT, GET AN XBOX/WII.

its pathetic how Sony is hated for fighting the hackings to their system!

People dont understand that when your able to sign your own games, piracy is EASY as pie.

People also dont know or forgotten, that Sony has lost several billions of USD on the entire Playstation project so far. They're using profit from other divisions to make up for the loss they've made and are making on the entire damn playstation project!

But hey, they give the community something back at a cost, even tho they might be *******s.... keep in mind that THEY ARE NOT EVEN MAKING A PROFIT! and if they would start making a profit, it will take YEARS to balance out the losses they made thus far........

worst is, if their system is hacked, no game publisher in their right mind will release games for the PS3....

damn idiots.

haters be hating

oh ye and if you want OtherOS, its available even to the PS3slim, but Sony reserves the right to kickban you from their network if your not using material Sony provides... 1+1=??


wow someone is butt hurt about all this

TechDudeGeorge said,
Good, sony deserve it for how much they overreact to stupid things. I would be happy if the PSPs got banned next.

Yeah, the PSP with 4 blu-ray drives.

Oh no wait

/s

AmpliFreQuency said,
Did anyone hear that? That's GeoHot and Graf Chokolo giggling in the background.
Karma strikes back.

Karma's a bitch ha

AmpliFreQuency said,
Did anyone hear that? That's GeoHot and Graf Chokolo giggling in the background.
Karma strikes back.

karma for what? for getting their system hacked?
if people wouldnt try to hack it, the OtherOS function wouldnt've been removed
I know Sony doesnt care about its customers, but they wouldnt remove OtherOS if it wasnt for a reason. They probably found an exploit before hackers did and beat them to the punch.
Then some bozo named Geohot hacks the system with a bull excuse of 'homebrew'.

GTFO, i owned consoled from the Atari VCS till PS3, and have yet to see more then a few ****ty games that are homebrew...maybe 0,001% of the PS3 users will ever use homebrew games. No reason to just hack the system wide open for the whole world.

homebrew was just a BS excuse.

Raa said,

Except Xbox and PC owners.

Competition going out the window is not good for the owners in any circumstance. If Xbox doesn't have to compete, why lower prices ever or make sure the hardware is quality.

ILikeTobacco said,

Competition going out the window is not good for the owners in any circumstance. If Xbox doesn't have to compete, why lower prices ever or make sure the hardware is quality.

I agree to a certain extent but I'm sure very few large companies, especially MS with their RROD history would let their hardware standards slip. Also, how would they even let them slip? Each new 360 iteration has clearly been geared towards improving reliability, would they purposefully revert these changes?

tr0p said,
I LOVE how the Wii is completely forgotten in that statement! awesome.

I would say omitted on purpose. PS3 and XBOX and to lesser extent PC all target the same demographic. Nintendo have already said time and time again, that their console is for everyone else.

Hollow.Droid said,

I agree to a certain extent but I'm sure very few large companies, especially MS with their RROD history would let their hardware standards slip. Also, how would they even let them slip? Each new 360 iteration has clearly been geared towards improving reliability, would they purposefully revert these changes?


It wouldn't apply to the current system since its solid already. Imagine if the RROD was happening today. If MS didn't have to compete, they wouldn't be in a rush to fix the issue.

Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe

neufuse said,
Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe


and Linux

neufuse said,
Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe

lmfao hahahaha

neufuse said,
Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe


And then he reads some letter from fan containing the PS3 master key.

neufuse said,
Kevin Butler commercial coming saying "its so hardcore you can't even buy it in Europe, yeah we're just that great"

It does EVERYTHING...
Except in Europe

Yep Sonya does everybody except Uropeans.

The Protagonist said,
i am so happy about this, sony lately are being a bunch of di*ks so they deserve this.

Sony always been d*cks they just make their own gadgets and other electronics (often of very good quality) and they dont care if anyone buys it (as people will buy it anyways because its of good quality) and always been like FU people, buy it and enjoy it or gtfo