PS4 game recording will be free; should Microsoft make yet another 180 for the Xbox One?

Both the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4 consoles will allow owners to record and upload videos of games they are playing. It's a first for both consoles to natively support gameplay recording, but as we learned on Wednesday, the Game DVR feature on the Xbox One will require owners also have a paid Xbox Live Gold subscription to use it.

Now there's official word that the same features on the PS4 won't require a paid PlayStation Plus subscription. Sony’s president of worldwide studios Shuhei Yoshida used his Twitter account to answer fan questions about the feature today and confirmed several times that the PS4 game recording, uploading and streaming features come free with the console:

Sony's feature will automatically record the last 15 minutes of gameplay from any PS4 game, while Microsoft's Game DVR on the Xbox One records the last five minutes. While gaming recording may be free on the PS4, Sony has already confirmed that online multplayer gaming on the console will require a paid PlayStation Plus subscription, something that's not needed for online gaming on the PS3.

While a case can certainly be made for Microsoft to charge for the Game DVR feature due to online bandwidth and storage issues, the fact that Sony is allowing this same feature to be free on the PS4 could make the console more attractive to many gamers, especially those who already love to upload their gameplay accomplishments on YouTube. We have emailed Microsoft to find out if they plan to do yet another 180 and open up game recording on the Xbox One for every owner of the console.

Source: Shuhei Yoshida on Twitter | Image via Sony

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Well as the Xbox One allows u restricted 1080p60 recording via hdmi for games, this is a moot issue. As of yet it's believed the PS4 will have hdcp protection for this just like the PS3

The only time I watch game videos is for an occasional walk through. Is this for the "holy crap!" moment to share with friends or are there people that actually sit around all day watching other people play games?

I agree it should be free. Not only is it free but it records more gameplay. It's shocking how Ms keep locking people behind a pay wall. I bet Ms will make sure that 3rd party recorders won't work with the Xbox one.

Well, they ALREADY did another 180 with the headset now being included. And this is after the 180 they pulled with the DRM. Why not pull yet ANOTHER 180 in a desperate attempt to retain fleeing customers?

The only 180 I care about is the Kinect requirement. As long as they require the Kinect to be connected and calibrated for the Xbox to work, I will be boycotting the box, and telling all of my friends to stay the hell away as well.

But... why? This sounds so naïve, and caveman like, even. On a smartphone, there are typically 2 cameras, a GPS Chip, Text Messages that get saved on a server, and calls that can be reordered, Tablets with GPS and cameras, an laptops with both as well.

But Kinect is where you draw the line.

How much you wanna bet it was originally part of PS+, but now Sony secretly changed just to stick it to Microsoft? Seems to be their MO this time.

Also, I don't wanna hear people complain that you need Gold for things like Netflix and such when Sony pulled stuff like you need PS+ to automatically update the console.

If you don't want to hear people complain, I'm not sure why you came to an online community...

Anyway, PS+ is an incentive based model for the most part in its current form on the PS3. There is still plenty your system can do without PS+ which is kind of the point.

And there's still plenty I can do with the 360 without getting gold. Having access to Netflix and DVR is an incentive to get gold.

I was just angry about PS+ cause its everywhere in the menus on PS3. There are core system features that are blocked by it. Neither Microsoft or Sony are innocent here, but people praise Sony and bash Microsoft.

You mean the automatic updates? Not sure how you could count that as a core feature when it wasn't revealed until 2010. Also, it wasn't until more recently when games were starting to be updated on a more frequent basis anyway. Not exactly comparing apples to apples here...

As for PS+ getting praise, it is a good service. The reason you probably hear a lot of praise about it is because people buy it because they want it, not because they need it. While the Xbox 360 doesn't need it, let's face it: if you're going to be playing games, you're probably going to have a Live subscription. From that end of the spectrum, I can easily see people being more critical of Microsoft because the service is pay-for meaning that when it goes out or there are issues, the user base gets loud.

I rather pay for a service that is reliable so I know everytime is there. I am not sure about playstation network nor they haven't announced any improvement. Free is not always good.

Charge people for PS+ (which will encompass the majority of people that would want to use this anyway), while making their platform seem more appealing by not sticking certain services behind a paywall.

but xbox360 and xone allow you to use any capture card and ps3 wont, maybe ps4 cant neither...

pro and cons people this its easily reversable by microsoft later....

First, let's start off by stating what everyone's thinking, "God, that PS4 interface is fugly, looks like their crappy store."

Now, on to the topic at hand, should MS make the game recording free? Sure, if they want to be overly generous, but I don't think they have to. At this point, pretty much everyone is going to sign up for the subscription service of the system they choose. Both PS Plus and Live offer so much now that there's bound to be at least 1 feature you'll want, whether it's cloud game saves/storage, online multiplayer, or exclusive content (Halo tv series). If you're willing to sign up for any one of these features then the question about the other features becomes mute cause you'll get those as part of the package as well.

jEN0VA said,
First, let's start off by stating what everyone's thinking, "God, that PS4 interface is fugly, looks like their crappy store."

Now, on to the topic at hand, should MS make the game recording free? Sure, if they want to be overly generous, but I don't think they have to. At this point, pretty much everyone is going to sign up for the subscription service of the system they choose. Both PS Plus and Live offer so much now that there's bound to be at least 1 feature you'll want, whether it's cloud game saves/storage, online multiplayer, or exclusive content (Halo tv series). If you're willing to sign up for any one of these features then the question about the other features becomes mute cause you'll get those as part of the package as well.

It's better than "Metro" any day!

illustrick said,
why the hell would you use youtube on the xbox anyway?

Because YouTube has interesting content and supports 1080p. When you have numerous people over, why wouldn't you want it on a bigger screen?

besides that the app crashes all the time. I don't know, I just never got into the whole browse youtube thing. I watch most of the video i see off of facebook on my phone or on my desktop. I never actively go out and look for stuff to watch. But that is just me i guess.

Microsoft already go to town with the live gold features of the 360. Without it the box will do very little online. Netflix, LoveFilm, YouTube... nothing without Gold.
This is main reason why my 360 is only used as a DVD player these days...

Couldn't they keep the DVR bit away from the paywall, and have the unlimited cloud storage be the incentive?

I can't help but feel there are ways to have your cake and eat it too. Not sure why it has to be "all or nothing".

Xbox live is originally a multiplayer only, over the years apps like Netflix, Hulu are added on top of it. Its sort of silver are offline meaning for people that don't have internet.
Sony was late and charge more with their ps3 and so they counter it by offering free multiplayer.

If Microsoft keeps doing 180s to drop back towards Sony no one is going to get a next gen console this year... its already hard to call these things next gen after the original Xbox 180

SteveyAyo said,
If Microsoft keeps doing 180s to drop back towards Sony no one is going to get a next gen console this year... its already hard to call these things next gen after the original Xbox 180

Wut? The graphics on these things are like night and day compared to the 360.

SteveyAyo said,
If Microsoft keeps doing 180s to drop back towards Sony no one is going to get a next gen console this year... its already hard to call these things next gen after the original Xbox 180

I don't know who to blame? Microsoft for not announcing all their changes clearly or Sony for using the bad press that Microsoft got for their advantage which bullied Microsoft into retracting all their cool ideas to save face.

****ing ****, glad I updated my PC this year instead of buy one of these.

TCLN Ryster said,

Wut? The graphics on these things are like night and day compared to the 360.

He means the features offered by the new console, not the graphics. The Xbox One had before the 180 turn a Steam like concept with the addition of sharing games to friends digital.

And who's fault was that 180? Hands up if you were one of those people baying for blood over the whole DRM non-issue...

TCLN Ryster said,
And who's fault was that 180? Hands up if you were one of those people baying for blood over the whole DRM non-issue...

A bad explanation on those new services from Microsoft - The consumers reaction of fear from the unknown - Sony jumped on that and took advantage.

SPARTdAN said,

A bad explanation on those new services from Microsoft - The consumers reaction of fear from the unknown - Sony jumped on that and took advantage.


A bad explanation or.. The intended audience being to stupid to realise the advantages. I am sorry, but whilst the explanation could have been better, the intended audience on here or elsewhere were like headless chicken.

DoneWithThisGarbageWebsite said,
If Microsoft keeps doing 180s to drop back towards Sony no one is going to get a next gen console this year... its already hard to call these things next gen after the original Xbox ONE80

fixed it for you.

this! It was going to be awesome, while I didn't really think it was fair with the 24 hour thing, It would of been sweet if it was 4 times a month that it needed to be connected. Just because I have a lot of friends in the military that always dont have an internet connection where they are.

sjaak327 said,


A bad explanation or.. The intended audience being to stupid to realise the advantages. I am sorry, but whilst the explanation could have been better, the intended audience on here or elsewhere were like headless chicken.

The problem here is that Microsoft has to justify the $60/year they still charge for Gold membership. Where to they draw the line? What added value do they provide for this amount of money?

It's already odd (read "stupid") that today, mostly all of the 3rd party services (Netflix, Crackle, TOU.TV and so on) do require Gold membership when all of these services are freely available everywhere, except on the Microsoft XBOX ecosystem.

Did you ever realize that you have to pay to access services you already pay for? This is the case for Netflix and even the XBOX Music Pass. Idiotic!

Microsoft is still trying to grab the big bucks using an obsolete model that is turning off consumers. And honestly, they seem to take a very long time to catch this.

Why don't they make Gold much cheaper and bet on the increased amount of subscriptions?

Turning off consumers? Didn't they recently announce that Live has more subscribers now than it has ever had?

Also for the record, if you're paying $60 a year, you're doing it wrong. It's $45 on amazon right now, and you can get it much cheaper than that elsewhere if you know where to look.

TheCyberKnight said,
The problem here is that Microsoft has to justify the $60/year they still charge for Gold membership.

If your on XBLG for $60 a month, then really, you need to shop around a lot more, for the past 3 years I have been getting it for $35 and that's in AUS

TheCyberKnight said,
The problem here is that Microsoft has to justify the $60/year they still charge for Gold membership. Where to they draw the line? What added value do they provide for this amount of money?

It's already odd (read "stupid") that today, mostly all of the 3rd party services (Netflix, Crackle, TOU.TV and so on) do require Gold membership when all of these services are freely available everywhere, except on the Microsoft XBOX ecosystem.

Did you ever realize that you have to pay to access services you already pay for? This is the case for Netflix and even the XBOX Music Pass. Idiotic!

Microsoft is still trying to grab the big bucks using an obsolete model that is turning off consumers. And honestly, they seem to take a very long time to catch this.

Why don't they make Gold much cheaper and bet on the increased amount of subscriptions?

http://www.gamehuntercdkey.com...box-360-live-12-month-.html

It is starting to get annoying if people keeps mention Netflix in conjunction of Xbox Live, and it seem that is the only way people can bash Xbox Live.

You pay for Xbox Live to play on a secure multiplayer online network, and anything that comes with it are added features. When Xbox One comes out, there will be additional features that will be including to your Live subscription.

RommelS said,
It is starting to get annoying if people keeps mention Netflix in conjunction of Xbox Live, and it seem that is the only way people can bash Xbox Live.

You pay for Xbox Live to play on a secure multiplayer online network, and anything that comes with it are added features. When Xbox One comes out, there will be additional features that will be including to your Live subscription.

Microsoft does not tout their console for multiplayer as much as they do as a media center console that can view Netflix, Hulu Plus, etc. It isn't until you read the fine print that it says a Gold subscription is required.

RangerLG said,

Microsoft does not tout their console for multiplayer as much as they do as a media center console that can view Netflix, Hulu Plus, etc. It isn't until you read the fine print that it says a Gold subscription is required.

Xbox Live was designed for multiplayer online game. In Halo online gaming alone, just look how many people play on a regular basis. It is just that Live and the console has become more synonymous with other aspect of online activities when they started making it available for DL or streaming contents.

RommelS said,
It is starting to get annoying if people keeps mention Netflix in conjunction of Xbox Live, and it seem that is the only way people can bash Xbox Live.

You pay for Xbox Live to play on a secure multiplayer online network, and anything that comes with it are added features. When Xbox One comes out, there will be additional features that will be including to your Live subscription.

I ALREADY PAY for my Netflix account, and my Crunchyroll account, and my Hulu Plus account. Why does MS need to tax me to use the services I ALREADY PAY FOR? This is greed, pure and simple. I am cancelling my XBL subscription in Nov, when it is up for renewal...and I am getting a PS Plus subscription. Buh Bye MS, I am tired of your crap.

John Nemesh said,

I ALREADY PAY for my Netflix account, and my Crunchyroll account, and my Hulu Plus account. Why does MS need to tax me to use the services I ALREADY PAY FOR? This is greed, pure and simple. I am cancelling my XBL subscription in Nov, when it is up for renewal...and I am getting a PS Plus subscription. Buh Bye MS, I am tired of your crap.

Then good for you.

John Nemesh said,

I ALREADY PAY for my Netflix account, and my Crunchyroll account, and my Hulu Plus account. Why does MS need to tax me to use the services I ALREADY PAY FOR? This is greed, pure and simple. I am cancelling my XBL subscription in Nov, when it is up for renewal...and I am getting a PS Plus subscription. Buh Bye MS, I am tired of your crap.

So either way you are going to pay for one service or the other. I'm not sure how that makes PS4 that much better as slowly they are doing exactly what Microsoft is doing. Do you not think Apps will stay outside of that paywall? Multiplayer Gaming didn't.

You've already made your decision before you've started typing. Not sure why you are even having this conversation.

If you buy a console to use hulu or netflix your doing is wrong. buy a roku, buy a apple tv, but something that doesnt cost 500$ for it. I personally don't have netflix, I feel its a waste of money. With the same crappy tv shows and old movies. But that is my opinion.

illustrick said,
If you buy a console to use hulu or netflix your doing is wrong. buy a roku, buy a apple tv, but something that doesnt cost 500$ for it. I personally don't have netflix, I feel its a waste of money. With the same crappy tv shows and old movies. But that is my opinion.

That sorta goes against Microsoft's strategy though. Their goal is to have a single device used for everything. Suggesting people to get a Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast or other media devices defeats the whole purpose of the console, which has its purpose outlined in the dang name, "Xbox ONE". One device for everything.

Brings us back to the arguments many had when Microsoft first revealed their console, as to why they would focus on an area that already had better experiences between smart TVs and separate devices like the Roku or Apple TV. ("better" being defined by numerous reviewers, not myself personally) It's all subjective of course, but I like to think if you're going to do something, you might as well do it right.

Will have to wait and see on all this of course, because as it stands, there's still a lot that could change from here until release time.

In all honesty though, how many people are going to want to record clips of single player games and post them to friends? A very small percentage I'd wager. I see this feature as being for recording you laying the smackdown on friends and other people, and then posting them online. For that you need to pay for multiplayer, so you're paying anyway.

TCLN Ryster said,
In all honesty though, how many people are going to want to record clips of single player games and post them to friends? A very small percentage I'd wager. I see this feature as being for recording you laying the smackdown on friends and other people, and then posting them online. For that you need to pay for multiplayer, so you're paying anyway.

If it's really easy to use I could see it being used a lot both for online walkthroughs and sharing small "how-to"s with friends.

Of course it's on the multiplayer side of things where you get all those teenagers creaming their pants with sharing uberawesome gameplays that pretty much no one has interest in watching, but still.

TCLN Ryster said,
In all honesty though, how many people are going to want to record clips of single player games and post them to friends? A very small percentage I'd wager. I see this feature as being for recording you laying the smackdown on friends and other people, and then posting them online. For that you need to pay for multiplayer, so you're paying anyway.
Honestly, while I have no problem with MS charging for this... many more people would do it if it were free than if they had to actively pay for it.

What an awful comment. Competition is good, but here you are cheering on that we should all pay more.

I guess Microsoft shouldn't bundle that headset either, right? If you can drop $500, you can buy your own headset too...

dead.cell said,
What an awful comment. Competition is good, but here you are cheering on that we should all pay more.

I guess Microsoft shouldn't bundle that headset either, right? If you can drop $500, you can buy your own headset too...

Your comment was equally awful.

dead.cell said,
What an awful comment. Competition is good, but here you are cheering on that we should all pay more.

I guess Microsoft shouldn't bundle that headset either, right? If you can drop $500, you can buy your own headset too...

Yes, you can buy your own headset.

That's not the point though, the point is it's an excellent service that's well worth the small amount we have to pay for it. The more they add, the more it's worth it. And it's not just that they have these features - obviously Sony and others do as well, but they implement them better than the competition every time. It's not like we're paying for the same stuff - XBL is a better experience all around and the more people they can get to pay into it, the better they can make it.

Better is subjective, and even if you truly believed that, you need to understand that Microsoft puts out great products and services regardless of what they charge for the most part. The idea that it's going to be shoddy because they aren't putting it behind a paywall is nonsense at best.

As both a fan of Microsoft and a customer, I'd feel pretty bad if I encouraged them not to compete.

dead.cell said,
Better is subjective, and even if you truly believed that, you need to understand that Microsoft puts out great products and services regardless of what they charge for the most part. The idea that it's going to be shoddy because they aren't putting it behind a paywall is nonsense at best.

As both a fan of Microsoft and a customer, I'd feel pretty bad if I encouraged them not to compete.

While I can't source it, I'm fairly certain their infrastructure is used to facilitate Netflix etc. etc. through their NOC's. I'd be happy to be proven right or wrong by anybody as I may be misinformed. But as I remember reading, at some point, they have a caching system of some sort for those coming through their service. Perhaps that's the charge. I'd imagine they have a reason for charging for the recording. As much as I'd love for it to be free, if the market tells them to, they will. That's competition. Competition is not negotiating against yourself before the market has a chance to react.

MrHumpty said,
While I can't source it, I'm fairly certain their infrastructure is used to facilitate Netflix etc. etc. through their NOC's. I'd be happy to be proven right or wrong by anybody as I may be misinformed. But as I remember reading, at some point, they have a caching system of some sort for those coming through their service. Perhaps that's the charge. I'd imagine they have a reason for charging for the recording. As much as I'd love for it to be free, if the market tells them to, they will. That's competition. Competition is not negotiating against yourself before the market has a chance to react.

I completely agree with you. My point was that if the market demands for them to be more competitive, then so be it. I just don't understand where anyone would be against Microsoft meeting the competition, or to act as if the quality of the service would suffer when Microsoft has shown time and time again that their services are usually great quality whether they're free or not. (Outlook.com, SkyDrive for example)

Spicoli said,
Charging a subscription for a feature that doesn't use their service needs to go completely. Needing to pay Microsoft to use Netflix is ridiculous.

How confident are you that there are 0 infrastructure costs to Netflix or Microsoft associated with Netflix (or any other app) being on XBOX?

scorp508 said,

How confident are you that there are 0 infrastructure costs to Netflix or Microsoft associated with Netflix (or any other app) being on XBOX?

Why don't you need to pay for it ANYWHERE else? Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Phones, Tablets. But MS HAS to charge for it because?

Although i agree netflix should be usable without live I also have an apple tv, ps3, wiiu, samsung tv with apps, a roku, phone, and tablet. Xbox netflix app hands-down is far better than all the others. I actually have been paying for gold even though netflix and hulu is all i been using it for because its so much better.

xWhiplash said,
Why don't you need to pay for it ANYWHERE else? Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Phones, Tablets. But MS HAS to charge for it because?

And this is what I was mentioning in another thread earlier: if they plan on going against Apple, Google, and other companies in the media department, why would they do this? It's as if they want to bring in an income from people who might want to use the console as a media device, which according to Microsoft, is something MS really wants to see. One device used for everything.

However, they also want that One device to be associated with Live regardless of the type of person using it.

Meanwhile, Google's dropping things like Chromecast for $35 which allows you to do some pretty awesome things with just a small attachment. Yes, I understand they are hugely different, but considering what Microsoft's competition is doing, it's hard to understand their mentality behind this.

Houtei said,
Although i agree netflix should be usable without live I also have an apple tv, ps3, wiiu, samsung tv with apps, a roku, phone, and tablet. Xbox netflix app hands-down is far better than all the others. I actually have been paying for gold even though netflix and hulu is all i been using it for because its so much better.

That is purely personal. I found the Netflix app on the Xbox worse than the one on the Apple TV. In my opinion, the Apple TV has the best Netflix app.

xWhiplash said,
But MS HAS to charge for it because?

To help pay to keep the SDK alive.
if MS wan't people to develop for their console, sometimes they have to pay the developer for the principal development. This is what happened with XBOX360. The other players, Netflix incur and absorb the development cost to be as pervasive as possible.

These are ongoing expenses which are budgeted into the console/service lifespan.
There are real costs associated with providing an experience over and above the console. If you don't get that, I can't help you.

scorp508 said,

How confident are you that there are 0 infrastructure costs to Netflix or Microsoft associated with Netflix (or any other app) being on XBOX?

Of course there's a cost to Netflix and my ISP which is why I pay them. I don't pay any other hardware maker the for the privilege of using a third party service. Imagine if they did that on Windows.

Spicoli said,

Of course there's a cost to Netflix and my ISP which is why I pay them. I don't pay any other hardware maker the for the privilege of using a third party service. Imaging if they did that on Windows.

...... scanning .......

complete

yes I imaged it.

CygnusOrion said,
Because the XBox UI doesn't cost $0 to make.

Damn, we must have missed the fine print!

* UI sold separately.

deadonthefloor said,

To help pay to keep the SDK alive.
if MS wan't people to develop for their console, sometimes they have to pay the developer for the principal development. This is what happened with XBOX360. The other players, Netflix incur and absorb the development cost to be as pervasive as possible.

These are ongoing expenses which are budgeted into the console/service lifespan.
There are real costs associated with providing an experience over and above the console. If you don't get that, I can't help you.

Okay so why doesn't Apple charge Apple TV users to use Netflix in order to keep their SDK alive? Why doesn't Sony charge PS3 users for the same reason? Why doesn't Roku charge? What about Chromecast? In fact, isn't the XBox the ONLY device that charges to use Netflix?

xWhiplash said,

Why don't you need to pay for it ANYWHERE else? Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Phones, Tablets. But MS HAS to charge for it because?


That wasn't my question, was it? I don't think Microsoft (full disclosure, I work there, but nowhere near XBOX) makes blind decisions about what is and is not included in the gold level. Although the idea of them picking bingo balls out of a hat does make for a good visual.

scorp508 said,


That wasn't my question, was it? I don't think Microsoft (full disclosure, I work there, but nowhere near XBOX) makes blind decisions about what is and is not included in the gold level. Although the idea of them picking bingo balls out of a hat does make for a good visual.

The decision was made based on market conditions back when the service was new. That's when it was all about multi-user games using their service. Now they want to be in the newer media streaming device market and are going to have to match that market. No one is going to want to pay them for a gaming service just to use another unrelated service.

Houtei said,
Although i agree netflix should be usable without live I also have an apple tv, ps3, wiiu, samsung tv with apps, a roku, phone, and tablet. Xbox netflix app hands-down is far better than all the others. I actually have been paying for gold even though netflix and hulu is all i been using it for because its so much better.

You are wrong. The Xbox 360s video quality is SUBSTANTIALLY lower than the PS3 (sorry, but it is), and the PS3 is the PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT platform for Netflix. You will see new features (like 3D and 5.1 audio) on PS3 FIRST. BTW, you STILL can't watch 3D movies on the XBox and the PS3 has been streaming them for quite some time...

That is awesome, to bad 3d movies are complete garbage.

John Nemesh said,

You are wrong. The Xbox 360s video quality is SUBSTANTIALLY lower than the PS3 (sorry, but it is), and the PS3 is the PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT platform for Netflix. You will see new features (like 3D and 5.1 audio) on PS3 FIRST. BTW, you STILL can't watch 3D movies on the XBox and the PS3 has been streaming them for quite some time...

Yeah good on Sony for losing massive amounts per console and having no revenue plan. Free, free, free for everyone! Just so they can stick it to Microsoft.

A feature used by maybe 10% of the players, 10% of the time. But dont worry, its a feature that is not important because it requires an internet connection....

MikeInBA said,
A feature used by maybe 10% of the players, 10% of the time. But dont worry, its a feature that is not important because it requires an internet connection....

Exactly. I thought no one that owns XBoxes had internet connections... LOL

John Callaham said,
I bet that a lot more than 10 percent of PS4 owners will use this game recording feature

Xbox users have Twitch too so they can use their streaming and save EVERYTHING. Not 5 minutes.

I'll probably never make use of it at all. But guess what. I don't play multi-player, so if I wanted to make use of it on the xbox, I'd have to spend $15 for a 1-time monthly fee just to use it.

scaryrobots said,

Xbox users have Twitch too so they can use their streaming and save EVERYTHING. Not 5 minutes.

Exactly, that's what everybody seems to be forgetting...

greenwizard88 said,
so if I wanted to make use of it on the xbox, I'd have to spend $15 for a 1-time monthly fee just to use it.

Or $35 for an entire year when you get the cards on sale

Memnochxx said,

Or $35 for an entire year when you get the cards on sale

lol they run crazy sales all the time, one time on the dash board they were selling 1 month for 1$ so, i bought two years for like 35$(includes tax for each purchase)