Razer CEO: 'I don't hate on Windows 8'; is 'super disappointed' with Dell and HP

Earlier this week, Razer announced two new Windows 8 laptops; the 14-inch Blade and the 17-inch Blade Pro that will go on sale next week. Both notebooks are very thin and fairly light for their sizes but are packed with high end PC CPUs and GPUs. Earlier this year, the company released the Windows 8 Edge and Edge Pro tablets, again with high end hardware that is normally not found on touchscreen portable devices.

Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan sounds like an executive who isn't afraid to launch products in what can be a tough industry. In a new interview on The Verge, he stated that the reason why they wanted to get into the PC hardware space in the first place was to make products that "that we want ourselves". Tan doesn't reveal just how many of Razer's previous Blade laptops or Edge tablets have been bought by the public, saying only, " ... we’ve sold quite a large number of them. We can’t keep them in stock."

He also takes the time to slam two of the biggest PC makers, Dell and HP, saying that he is "super disappointed" with how they have treated the industry. He says, "HP’s doing a horrible job with it. Dell’s doing a horrible job with it. They just don’t want to do anything with the PC anymore."

And what about Windows 8, which some analysts claim has not helped the PC industry? Tan states:

I’ve heard a lot of hate on Windows 8 by gamers. I think it’s OK. I don’t hate on Windows 8. Once you get used to it, it’s fine. The only thing I missed was the start button and now they’re bringing it back. And, I don’t know if it’s in 8.1, but the ability to boot right straight to the desktop (Editor's note: Yes, that's in there too) — those are the two things I wanted. If they put the start button back and let me boot straight to the desktop, I’m OK. You know the rest of it is just OK, but it is better than 7.

Tan also says that there are no plans to launch new laptops with touchscreens, stating they will add that feature in future notebooks "when it’s relevant"

Source: The Verge | Image via Min-Liang Tan

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no one is saying W7 is bad its great. The thing is with W8 you get 2 os. Great deal. I was in a BB today and I jumped into a conversation between a BB salesguy and a customer who just bought a Sony touchscreen laptop. He was saying how he couldn't figure out 8 and he was bringing back laptop. After talking with him and explaining he never needed to use the modern ui interface he said really? After talking with him I figured out his real issue, he couldn't remember his wireless routers password so he couldn't connect to the internet thus couldn't use his new pc. He went home, said ty to me and that he wasn't going to return his laptop and the BB salesguy thanked me as well. What this is coming down to is change, the pc is changing much like it did from dos to 98 and from a 66mhz pc to what we have now, its necessary and must happen for the industry to survive. The oems are falling because they wont change they don't know how. people want thin hi res laptops that are fast. Acer seems to see this as well as Lenovo and a few others but hp and dell should be leading and again their in epic fail mode.

The issue that he is mad with is, HP and Dell are companies. they have something called a profit margin. MS had a serious responsibility to "convince" OEM's of the benefits of the new OS. I've spoken to several IT pros that I know and the overwhelming view from them is that windows 8 is a tablet-centric OS. What I "think" microsoft is attempting is to redefine the PC and personal computing. We as people are so hard up to navigate the web wherever we are at that exact moment. While I'm no Apple fan either, I think they got their collective crap together and divided their OS for tablets on the one hand, desktop and laptops on the other.

to me, I see an entirely new issue with regards to security with all these people on tablets. If people can scan items using RFI, there are those who can snoop on wifi as well. quite personally, I'm not so hard up to have to have a tablet to satisfy my incessant need to be on the internet. when I sit on the train or bus, it is nuts. We have lost our abilities to converse and be social. seems like everyone has their noses down looking at their smartphones or tablets.

Tablets feed people blood lust for always being "online". Anyway, This CEO is absolutely nuts to think as a CEO that HP and Dell are damaging the market. perhaps making touchscreen systems isn't feasible for the costs.

Windows 8 has surely divided the people and NOT necessarily for the good.

This says it all-

He also takes the time to slam two of the biggest PC makers, Dell and HP, saying that he is "super disappointed" with how they have treated the industry. He says, "HP's doing a horrible job with it. Dell's doing a horrible job with it. They just don't want to do anything with the PC anymore."-

I cannot agree with him more, HP and make crappy cheap PCs and wonder why they cannot compete with Apple of the like. Furthermore, they have finance/business/ bean counter people who head the company that still do not understand technology and where its going. This is not the Dell I use to work for as an SE. This company along with HP only think about margins.

Furthermore, I never supported Meg Whitman as CEO and think if Carl Ichan gets approval to buy Dell they will be gone within five years.

Last, I have no problem with Windows 8 either and as the gentlemen stated-would have like the option to boot to the desktop..

I upgraded all of my desktop and laptops to Windows 8 as it was so cheap at $40. I live in the desktop and there are just a couple of apps I like and use on the metro side of things. Otherwise I use it like it's Windows 7. I agree with Razor CEO bring back the start button and boot to desktop would be nice but its just one click to get to the desktop and I'm used to no start button all regular programs are pinned to the taskbar. Win 8 media center has been improved just a little but in a good way. It indexes large amounts of tv shows in recorded TV much faster from other pc's I have around the house to watch TV with. I Game a lot and had no problem running any games with it either. I still have two windows 7 computers the kids use for homework and I had to change some settings the other day and laughed as I was so used to Windows 8 now that I had to think for a second how to get to the settings to change. You get used to Win 8 fast. Oh and the next Intel chip haswell will improve battery life a lot from what I have read.

Paulheu - booo. Not good. I get okay battery life out of my Pro right now. I would like a 8-10 hour normal use. What is normal right?

Can't wait until Graphene is used to make batteries. It would revolutionize the entire industry. It has so many uses right now. Too bad China owns 80% of the Graphite Mining. Ugh...

I think he is right about Dell and HP not doing more to push the envelope. Dell with their Adamo line could have really hit it out of the ballpart and Del with their Envy line. They just got lazy and sometimes went backwards on their philosophy and hurt themselves. The Dell Adamo 13 Pearl and the XPS which I had for over 4 years had the same resolution as many of Dell and HP systems do now which is sad. You mean in 4 years they haven't progressed with this? I had a 256GB SSD(slow but still an SSD) and 4 gig of ram and it was thin compared to many of the laptops now in fact thinner. The battery life was about 3.5 hours which is almost the same as many.

That goes to show that Dell and HP did just sit on their asses and not advanced an industry that they could have had more control over since they were the leaders. Lenovo is kicking their butts now and even NEC makes bettery laptops for the Japanese market and they don't even bother with ours.

The MacBook Air is still unchallenged on many cases and look how long that's been out. The Retina display is just starting to get challenged but it took Google to get this started. Samsung just announced their Retina like display. But it's sad that Apple has made several things part of our lexicon like when we reference MP3 players we say iPOD or Retina is now associated to Apple. iPhone is always compared and sets the bar to others to match.

MS was a software company first and has always made pretty decent hardware like Keyboards and Mice. They had their share of flops and some recent successes with the XBOX and Surface.

Their Zune player was a little too late but I still use it to this day and its still one of the best Music Devices. The Zune Player for Windows is still my favorite app from them for Music. I still have the 10 free songs per month with the Zune membership.

Windows 8 won't ever be a failure as some want to believe as it is already more successful than most give it credit for. The updates will provide the much wanted features that many have cried about and that should push the market a little more towards Win8.

With the release of the XBOX for the Home Entertainment Segment it can have some serious potential in the living room. The design was Entertainment First and Gaming Second. With the Kinect 2.0 and its 1080p resolution you can just flip through channels naturally and easily. I can't wait to get a hold of the new XBOX ONE.

MS has a lot of momentum lately and they need to parley that into a big adoption for WP8, WIN8, XBOX ONE and Surface.

I think by Fall we will see 1080p WP8 phones which is their next big push for the WP8. 7-8" tablet with Haswell or Atom with Haswell and 12-13" surface tablets with Haswell with 6-8 hours battery life.

I would be a happy camper

mrmomoman said,
surface tablets with Haswell with 6-8 hours battery life.

I would be a happy camper

Early reports show battery life is slightly better on Haswell. Idle improved by about 30% but live use is in single digits mostly.

He's just giving his opinion, the same as your doing. That doesn't mean he's right.

But the thing is people actually want to hear what he has to say; it doubtful you have the same thing going for you with an attitude like that.

Albert said,
another blabbering fool who think he knows something or anything.

He's the CEO of a pretty successful business. I'd say he knows a thing or two.

Dot Matrix said,

He's the CEO of a pretty successful business. I'd say he knows a thing or two.

Perhaps one thing or two. But not necessarily anything of worth, from my experience of CEOs.

tytytucke said,
But the thing is people actually want to hear what he has to say.

totally agree. and judging by most of the comments. i guess blabbering fools of the world tend to attract and support each others.

Dot Matrix said,

He's the CEO of a pretty successful business. I'd say he knows a thing or two.

I guess that means Windows 8 is a confirmed failure then, since obviously as the co-founder/president of Valve, Gabe Newell must know even more.

You just got wrecked.

A quick look at their lineup and it's obvious that they have failed to take advantage of Windows 8. Dell have one convertible ultrabook which is ugly and overpriced and one tablet which is powered by a Snapdragon S4. HP basically just have the HP Envy x2 which is powered by an Atom and is way overpriced. Lenovo, Microsoft, Razer and Acer are the only one's to put out powerful tablets/convertible ultrabooks for an affordable price. Even then the options aren't great or have only just started to hit the worldwide markets. Maybe with Jaguar/Haswell we will see better products on the market this fall but they have still wasted an entire year.

Edited by Gaffney, Jun 2 2013, 12:42am :

No.. MS screwed the pooch so to speak and weren't able to convince OEM's to buy into Windows 8. I'm sorry. MS blamed OEM's here a few months ago for the poor sales of Windows 8. OEM's are businesses who probably felt that, it wasn't cost effective to build PC's and laptops with touchscreens due to cost.

OEM's are supposed to be the friends of MS. Why do you think OEM's didn't agree with MS? I don't for-see an end to PC's. I see MS trying to FORCE their hand on the market by saying the laptop/PC are dead.

Give it a rest, As in the topic... Windows 8 is fine on Computers/laptops without touch screen. Nothing wrong it. Could you stop crying about MS forcing a market change. Thats complete bogus.

Interesting. Apple this week announced they'd reached 100 million sales of iPod Touch. It was released in 2007. So it took Apple 6 years to reach 100 million sales. This is GREAT.

Microsoft reached 100 million units in sales of Windows 8 in just over 4 months. This is obviously a failure.

Sheesh!

OEM's wanted Windows to have better touch capabilities, several have simply slapped a touchscreen onto netbook level hardware to rake in on a massive profit margin. There is no point in adding more power because to keep the same profit margin their prices would go over £1000 and that won't sell as many. The smaller companies haven't used it as an opportunity to increase their profit margins and just added in the extra costs of supporting a touchscreen.

Shadowzz said,
Give it a rest, As in the topic... Windows 8 is fine on Computers/laptops without touch screen.

Why don't YOU give it a rest. Windows 8 and metro are a solution looking for a (non-existent) problem, and the public are rightly rejecting it.

Major Plonquer said,
Interesting. Apple this week announced they'd reached 100 million sales of iPod Touch. It was released in 2007. So it took Apple 6 years to reach 100 million sales. This is GREAT.

Microsoft reached 100 million units in sales of Windows 8 in just over 4 months. This is obviously a failure.

Sheesh!

Who in this thread said that 100 million iPod touch's sold in 7 years is great (which is weak), but 100 million Windows 8 license sold in several months is a failure (which is great) ?

Bringing Apple into a conversation to defend Microsoft, and bringing up something no one was saying is the MO of a prominent poster who has vanished.

Its interesting, when Microsoft tries to change things in the market people resist and claim they are forcing something new, but when Apple does it people hail them for doing something genius

Major Plonquer said,
Interesting. Apple this week announced they'd reached 100 million sales of iPod Touch. It was released in 2007. So it took Apple 6 years to reach 100 million sales. This is GREAT.

Microsoft reached 100 million units in sales of Windows 8 in just over 4 months. This is obviously a failure.

Sheesh!

I miss the logic of comparing the sales of hardware with the ones of an OS....

you were probably one of the users on here that was going bat crazy about how much you liked windows 7. you STILL like Windows 7. Windows 7 is still a great OS.

Windows 8 is decent.. if you own a tablet or surface system. the PC isn't going anywhere. which isn't a surprise. MS fans have this convoluted idea that everyone is going to run around with tablets. some of us like to play PC games. can't pc game on a tablet. actually calling a tablet a PC is a huge misnomer. I see tablets as urban yuppie toys. they have their purposes and place but not everywhere.

I agree. I use 4 PCs regularly. I have my multi-monitor desktop workhog, a Home Theatre system in the livingroom, a Mac laptop and a Surface Pro.

The desktop runs Windows 7 with Office 2013 just fine. I lose a lot of functionality on the multi-monitor side if I switch to Windows 8. The Home Theatre runs Windows 8. There are problems running the tiled interface on a single 48" screen but other than that it's adequate. The Mac runs Windows 8 but since it doesn't have touch (Apple are sooooo far behind the trend these days) I use Start8 and boot to the desktop.

However, I love Windows 8 on the Surface Pro. It makes sense, it's lightning fast and gets the job done.

So it's not a question of whether we should use Microsoft Windows 8 or someone else's product. There is no competition, even for Windows 7. Nobody is dumping Windows 8 and using Mac instead (well nobody smart that is). And Linux in all its flavours now really looks like it's finally reached the 1980s.

In fact, I'll shortly dump the Mac and use Surface Pro instead. Mac is far too slow, far too expensive and is now nothing more than an old-fashioned laptop (remember them?).

ChrisJ1968 said,
Windows 8 is decent.. if you own a tablet or surface system.
Windows 8 performs seriously better than Windows 7 on the same hardware. It is a good if not very good step up in that respect. People get stuck at the pointless and trivial (IMO) start screen/button debate and most haters have no clue as they either not have WIN8 installed or have not even given it a serious look beyond START..

ChrisJ1968 said
you were probably one of the users on here that was going bat crazy about how much you liked windows 7
Well I do like Windows 7, but if I had to choose between 7 or 8, I'd go with 8. Mainly because of the improvements to the system.

ChrisJ1968 said
MS fans have this convoluted idea that everyone is going to run around with tablets.
I guess I'm the odd one out. I'm a fan of everything: Apple, Linux, MS. I'm not much of a tablet fan to be honest. The only tablet I do own and use is my Nexus 7. I don't think that everyone would be running around with tablets. They have their place, and their use.

paulheu said
Windows 8 performs seriously better than Windows 7 on the same hardware.
So true.

paulheu said
People get stuck at the pointless and trivial (IMO) start screen/button debate and most haters have no clue as they either not have WIN8 installed or have not even given it a serious look beyond START..
I can't stand that! A lot of these haters think it's the worse thing ever, yet most of 'em haven't even given it a chance.