Report: iPhone 5 contains Apple-designed CPU core

When Apple officially announced the iPhone 5 earlier this week, the company revealed that their iOS-based smartphone had the A6 processor inside. Apple didn't reveal any specific details about the design or the specs behind the A6, but it did give some general information about its performance with iOS apps, showing performance improvements of between 1.7 and 2.1 times compared to previous versions of the iPhone.

Now, AnandTech reports, via unnamed sources, that the A6 chip in the iPhone 5, while still using an ARM-inspired architecture, was in fact designed by Apple itself. Previously, the processors in older versions of the iPhone had used designs that were licensed from ARM, such as the Cortex A9 used in the A5 processor.

However, the article states that Apple also has a license from ARM to receive an instruction set architecture that Apple can then use to create their own design. Apple appears to have done exactly that for the A6 processor inside the iPhone 5. using the ARMv7 ISA.

While that's certainly a change from Apple's normal iPhone processor route, there's no specifics on what features the A6 processor has, such as the number of actual processor cores.

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this is a bunch of ********* from anadatech. launching apps faster doesn't mean you have a super custom chip. wp7 from v1 to mango saw huge speed increases,from launching,to loading. windows 8 has better performance and battery life than windows 7 on the exact same hardware.

and apples claims about 3g/lte,wifi,video and music battery life has little to do with the arm cpu and more to do with the 3rd party hardware that are responsible for these thing. 3g/lte is the baseband, wifi has its own chip, video and music is its own hardware core that has nothing to do with the arm chip.

and arm chip makers always modify the existing stock arm chip cores anyways. its nothing new,and nothing special.

man these bloggers are ****in horrible. we don't have better than this? its pathetic

lg optimus g uses 4 cortex a15 cores, i'd rather see benchmarks comparing with that than the samsung galaxy s3 which has dual a15 or quad a9 cores.

torrentthief said,
lg optimus g uses 4 cortex a15 cores, i'd rather see benchmarks comparing with that than the samsung galaxy s3 which has dual a15 or quad a9 cores.
S4 or S4 Pro isn't A15.

tanjiajun_34 said,
S4 or S4 Pro isn't A15.
Yes, they are. The Qualcomm MSM8960 (S4 "Krait") is an ARM-15 based chipset, as is the 4-core APQ8064 S4Pro.

fuzi0719 said,
Yes, they are. The Qualcomm MSM8960 (S4 "Krait") is an ARM-15 based chipset, as is the 4-core APQ8064 S4Pro.

There are no A15 currently out

fuzi0719 said,
Yes, they are. The Qualcomm MSM8960 (S4 "Krait") is an ARM-15 based chipset, as is the 4-core APQ8064 S4Pro.

No s4 here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A15_MPCore


And...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
"The successor to Scorpion, found in S4 Snapdragon SoCs is named Krait and has many similarities with the ARM Cortex-A15 CPU and is also based on the ARMv7 instruction set."

Has many similarities but not the same thing still....

I don't always post large comments on things like this, because after all is said and done a device is subjective to the user, if you like the design of the phone and the use of the operating system, it will not make you change your mind if the new 'whatever phone' comes with the 8 cores and a better OS, unless of course it adds a feature you are really keen on having, but even then you might not want to switch.

So the iphone has more power, so what the next Android device might have even more is going to make me swap no, so the iphone has apple maps am I going to drop my android for that, maybe if it is something I require...

Its getting like a my dad is better than your dad because he has a yellow drill, yeah my dad's drill can glow in the dark...does it matter, really? People will buy a device based on their wants and desires, some might value higher CPU over everything else, so what! Get a device that YOU like and want and worry not about the specs....Simple

Large post over....

BizBo

AWilliams87 said,

If it's measuring performance, then yes it does.

Nonsense. Benchmarks are a purely artificial measurement that bears little to no resemblance to real world performance. .Anyone that tries to tell you different is either lying, or stupid.

FloatingFatMan said,

Nonsense. Benchmarks are a purely artificial measurement that bears little to no resemblance to real world performance. .Anyone that tries to tell you different is either lying, or stupid.


Even if real world performance is much diminished relative to the benchmark, it still conveys useful information. If the iphone 5 has more than double the score of it's predecessor, we know it's a noticeably faster improvement in the real world.

AWilliams87 said,

Even if real world performance is much diminished relative to the benchmark, it still conveys useful information. If the iphone 5 has more than double the score of it's predecessor, we know it's a noticeably faster improvement in the real world.
The problem is, iPhone users claim specs dont matter. What matter is as long as the OS is smooth and clean. Amazing how that all falls to the side when your specs have some advantage?

Let me ask you, even tho the 5 is a bit faster than the GS3, I bet my GS3 can do stuff yours can't. What good is all that power when you can still only ruin one app at a time? what good is all that power playing reskinned 80's games that originally ran on 3Mhz processors? I bet Angry Birds will play exactly the same.

Until you have an application that actually takes advantage of the power avail, the specs war is useless. This is why Apple never gets into specs deeply because they know real world usage translates to lackluster outcome. My device has 2GB of RAm vs 1GB in the 5. I bet when I open the browser and load a page and than switch to another app, and then come back to the browser my page will be done loading, while on the 5 the page will stop loading until you return to the browser.

I can take 20 pictures in 3.5 secs. How many can you take?
The text on my screen is bigger, why dont you stop aquinting. My device natively supports 720P, the iPhone 5 doesn't.

I can watch videos even while using another app, can you?
My phone has NFC, does yours? My phone can talk and do data on Verizon, can yours?

Now what do thsoe specs mean when your device is seriously lacking usable features that make use of the power? Specs for the simple fact of ticking a spec on a sheet means nothing. Isnt that what the fans always claim/ So how come when your device has a spec advantage the rule doesn't apply to you now?

The hypocrisy of Apple fans is the funniest thing since sliced apple pie.

S.MULLA said,
IP5 blows away the S3...
No it doesn't. What good is all that power, when the phone is still limited as crap?

I bet I can take more pictures than you in the same amount of time.I give you 10 secs to take as many shots with the iPhone 5 vs the GS3.

Here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrMbAojA8TA

It took the GS3 3.5 secs to take 20 shots. Can't your faster iPhone do that? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Sep 17 2012, 3:24pm :

We should totally benchmark some decent games on both devices to show how superior the S3 is.... well as soon as Android gets some anyway.

The article seems to read as a lot of hearsay if I have to be honest. At the end of the day, true or not, who the hell cares?

Nashy said,
The article seems to read as a lot of hearsay if I have to be honest. At the end of the day, true or not, who the hell cares?

To be honest, a lot of people care. Including myself. Apple is now designing parts of its own chips which is something a lot of other phone makers are not doing. This may give them future advantages as it has done here with the A6 equipped iPhone 5 being - according to independent benchmarks - the fastest phone on the market right now.

Vice said,

To be honest, a lot of people care. Including myself. Apple is now designing parts of its own chips which is something a lot of other phone makers are not doing. This may give them future advantages as it has done here with the A6 equipped iPhone 5 being - according to independent benchmarks - the fastest phone on the market right now.

At least it clears all the fuss about the S3 being faster, even with its 4 cores. iOS has always been optimised for it's hardware, so touting those specs seem worthless. Nevertheless, both great phones.

Nashy said,
who the hell cares?
I've had a bunch of Android, uh, enthusiasts, try and claim their Android phones are so much faster than the iPhone recently, so apparently, they do.

virtorio said,
I've had a bunch of Android, uh, enthusiasts, try and claim their Android phones are so much faster than the iPhone recently, so apparently, they do.

OR he's sourpuss, because he's got a S3 too. (I had one too.) But still, both great phones.

Vice said,

To be honest, a lot of people care. Including myself. Apple is now designing parts of its own chips which is something a lot of other phone makers are not doing. This may give them future advantages as it has done here with the A6 equipped iPhone 5 being - according to independent benchmarks - the fastest phone on the market right now.

Samsung has always made their own chips. The problem is the wont pick them. Liek example, the International S3 using the Exynos while the US version has SnapDragon. Why died the US opt for the slower option? Tho I love having 2GB of RAM.

Seems to be the fastest Phone on the market right now too. Even beating out the Nexus 7 and iPad 3 in benchmarks, which are tablets.

Vice said,
Seems to be the fastest Phone on the market right now too. Even beating out the Nexus 7 and iPad 3 in benchmarks, which are tablets.

Where did you get this information from?

Vice said,
Seems to be the fastest Phone on the market right now too. Even beating out the Nexus 7 and iPad 3 in benchmarks, which are tablets.

Looking at GB, the new iPhone scores in at 1601... not bad but there are several from the S3 at over 1700. Now it's not all about performance BUT it would be wrong to say it's the fastest. There are Nexus 7 scores ranging from 1500-2200+ as well.

Auzeras said,

Looking at GB, the new iPhone scores in at 1601... not bad but there are several from the S3 at over 1700. Now it's not all about performance BUT it would be wrong to say it's the fastest. There are Nexus 7 scores ranging from 1500-2200+ as well.

Agreed however the S3 ships in North America and Japan as a Dual Core phone not Quad Core, It ships in Europe and South Korea as a Quad Core so those higher S3 scores are actually quite poor considering it has two extra cores yet barely beats the iPhone in some of the benchmarks and is only sold in some markets, not globally.

Another thing to add is that the higher than baseline scores of the Nexus and S3 are probably from overclockers. You find that in the Android space on these benchmark sites people overclock to try and get the highest score for their device on the site. So you'd have to take an average of all the scores to compare accurately while discounting any unusually high and low scores.

I don't see this as such a bad thing for consumers though, I'm hopeful this will push Samsung to bring the Quad Core South Korean version of the S3 (which looks a lot nicer physically with less pronounced rounded corners and a smaller bezel in general) to the worldwide market as I'm confident that would beat the iPhone 5 consistently as it has the best specs of all the S3 SKU's

Vice said,

Agreed however the S3 ships in North America and Japan as a Dual Core phone not Quad Core, It ships in Europe and South Korea as a Quad Core so those higher S3 scores are actually quite poor considering it has two extra cores yet barely beats the iPhone in some of the benchmarks and is only sold in some markets, not globally.

It's called shltty programming... Android as an OS is still in beta stages of development. Performance wise it needs almost twice the hardware horse power to run at similar performance levels as iOS.

Euphoria said,

It's called shltty programming... Android as an OS is still in beta stages of development. Performance wise it needs almost twice the hardware horse power to run at similar performance levels as iOS.

I wouldn't quite say Android is in beta still. They've had a ton of versions over the years, so still being in beta would be a horrible design cycle. I do agree that Android typically needs a higher clock speed and more cores to alleviate the lag. Definitely bad programming/optimization. Seems they are getting a bit better with JB though.

tanjiajun_34 said,

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1357...urface-performance-doubles/

The results of s3 is disappointing.... The s3 just beats Note 1 by just like 1/4. Like as if 3 cores is used only...

The bench on the S3 was disappoint? The iPhone is using a newer chip. Don't u expect a phone using a newer chip to be fast? The fact the S3 score 1588 vs a brand new iPhone at only 1608 shows the S3 can hold its own. Which means when the new S4 arrives and its using the same CPU, it is going to blow the iPhone 5 away.

Funny, Ivy Bridge chips with the same clock speed as a Sandy Bridge chip, still give Ivy Bridge an advantage due to using newer technology. So you're saying the fact the Sandy Bridge bench would come up a bit short is disappointing? What would be disappoint is if the new iPhone 5 got a lower score being a newer device.

You logic is so impressive /S

TechieXP said,
The bench on the S3 was disappoint? The iPhone is using a newer chip. Don't u expect a phone using a newer chip to be fast? The fact the S3 score 1588 vs a brand new iPhone at only 1608 shows the S3 can hold its own. Which means when the new S4 arrives and its using the same CPU, it is going to blow the iPhone 5 away.

Funny, Ivy Bridge chips with the same clock speed as a Sandy Bridge chip, still give Ivy Bridge an advantage due to using newer technology. So you're saying the fact the Sandy Bridge bench would come up a bit short is disappointing? What would be disappoint is if the new iPhone 5 got a lower score being a newer device.

You logic is so impressive /S

iPoo users will say anything to justify their purchase of overpriced garbage. You cant reason with them, but the numbers dont lie. New hardware in iPhone is roughly equal to old hardware, this is typical of crapple, always selling outdated crap for premium prices.

Beyond Godlike said,

iPoo users will say anything to justify their purchase of overpriced garbage. You cant reason with them, but the numbers dont lie. New hardware in iPhone is roughly equal to old hardware, this is typical of crapple, always selling outdated crap for premium prices.

Seeing as the phone costs $200, you clearly don't know anything. And if the new hardware is equal to the old hardware, then how do you explain the huge jump in performance. Again, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You may climb back under your bridge and continue burning pictures of Steve Jobs now...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Seeing as the phone costs $200, you clearly don't know anything. And if the new hardware is equal to the old hardware, then how do you explain the huge jump in performance. Again, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You may climb back under your bridge and continue burning pictures of Steve Jobs now...

$200 ON A CONTRACT! That's not the cost of the phone :facepalm:

Minooch said,

$200 ON A CONTRACT! That's not the cost of the phone :facepalm:

Well in the UK, yes it is. You pay for the handset price and then the contract is to specify how much minutes/texts/data you would like to purchase from the company. These are normally rolled out in packages. The way they make money is that the company actually buys the iPhones off Apple and either advertise them within a package and if you decide to purchase then theyll make you sign a contract in order to break the money of the iPhone and earn revenue for themselves through selling your minutes/text/data for said months.

Again this is how it works for UK, not sure about US, but it's most likely the same. It's like losing your phone and asking your phone company to replace it, they won't replace it because your not paying for the phone anymore, you're actually paying for the packages you've bought.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Very few people buy the phone outside of contract... :facepalm:

Very few people.... that you know :facepalm:

TechieXP said,
The bench on the S3 was disappoint? The iPhone is using a newer chip. Don't u expect a phone using a newer chip to be fast? The fact the S3 score 1588 vs a brand new iPhone at only 1608 shows the S3 can hold its own. Which means when the new S4 arrives and its using the same CPU, it is going to blow the iPhone 5 away.

Funny, Ivy Bridge chips with the same clock speed as a Sandy Bridge chip, still give Ivy Bridge an advantage due to using newer technology. So you're saying the fact the Sandy Bridge bench would come up a bit short is disappointing? What would be disappoint is if the new iPhone 5 got a lower score being a newer device.

You logic is so impressive /S

I am comparing with the first Note not the iPhone 5. Did you read what I said anyway?

If you see the chart
http://1.androidauthority.com/...ndroid-geekbench-test-1.jpg

The different of the Note and S3 is nothing much when the speed should be about 2x of it.... Well I think the benchmark is flawed because HTC One X is clearly more powerful than like HTC One S. Maybe its does not works well for quad core processors.

There's no proof that the CPU core is designed by Apple or, radically, any different from the base Exynos 5 design.
It appears to have the same specs as an Exynos 5 CPU (underclocked to 1GHz). This is what Apple did with their A4 and A5 processors as well (Exynos 4).

Anandtech seems to mistake a value from one of the benchmarks and believes it isn't Cortex-A15 (but something in between). Not sure why they think Apple would bother with that when they can just use Cortex-A15.

"Exynos refers to the name of a series of ARM-based System-on-Chips (SoCs) from Samsung Electronics"

The SoC is, of course, designed by Apple.