Report: Xbox 360 and PS3 successors to be shown at E3

Microsoft vs. Sony, prepare for round three. A new report making the rounds has suggested the two giants are set to go head-to-head at this year's E3, as both companies plan to take the wraps off their next home consoles.

Dubbed the "biggest ever E3", MCV have declared it "the very first time in the show’s 17-year history that three fresh, rival console formats will be so directly comparable." Nintendo also plans to lock in final details about the Wii U, the successor to the five-year-old Wii.

Microsoft has given warning to partners of what it plans to reveal at E3, indicating that next-gen plans will be unveiled this year. Likewise, Sony has said that third party developers will not be left in the cold this time around. Both companies have kept their consoles fresh over the years with motion control and software updates.

Although the 360 will be celebrating its seventh birthday next Christmas, Microsoft recently released a tweaked version of the console in a bid to keep the brand new and original. The launch also saw the release of Kinect, the motion tracking device that comments suggested would expand the console's life out to 2015.

Either way, the update saw no new hardware bumps. Employees working on the rumoured 360 successor have updated their CVs to show their contributions, and previous reports have suggested the successor could see a winter 2013 release.

What would you like to see in an Xbox 360 successor? Let us know in the comments.

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I can see two features for the upcoming Xbox successor :

-DVR (because of the recent patent)
-Moving over to ARM architecture. (since windows 8 will support it also)

PS4:

-Full integration with the VITA

I think also next gen consoles must have a lot more RAM to support larger games, from what I remember reading about consoles its always been an issue that prevents game makers to make really nice games.

If the graphics and resolution can be upgraded I am happy along as they make it quieter. I have the latest XBOX and even that is WAY too loud.

Either way, very excited to learn about it!

To be honest, I think people are going to be a little disappointed with the specs. You have to remember, they're probably aiming for a $400/$500 price tag on this thing... people are expecting a top of the range PC on the new consoles and I don't see it happening. Of course, I'd love for it to happen, I just don't see it working out if they want to keep a reasonable price point. Everyone remembers the infamous $599 price point for the PS3, and that coupled with a nasty hardware delay thanks to the Cell-As-A-GPU thing not working out, cost Sony the hardware race and even today it still shows in terms of numbers and are currently in third place - so nobody wants to be above $499 I bet.

Honestly, I'm seeing probably 2-4GB of DDR3 RAM, with an HD5000 series GPU, or at very best, an HD6000 series, which in a couple of months time will already be outdated thanks to the 7000 series. It might not even reach 6 cores - there's a 50/50 chance Microsoft will be putting out a Quad Core CPU instead of a 6 core one - 6C CPUs simply aren't that cheap yet.

I definitely think we'll be seeing tighter integration with Windows 8 and Windows Phone platforms this time around, with the UI being very metro-inspired. What it'll look like I'm not sure - although we'll probably see something close to what the 360 UI looks like anyway.

What WOULD be interesting to see would be a dedicated chip for Kinect - something like a super cheap GPU, to offload a lot of processing for Kinect so devs don't have to balance Kinect's handy work with what the game engine is doing.

Either way, can't wait for E3

Xbox360 had the first unified architecture gpu when it was released aka the best gpu at the end of 2005. What makes you think that they will use an already existing 5000 series for a console that will launch next year.

I'd like to see games go back to using cartridges myself. Or something like an SD card. I don't see MS going Blu-ray, nor totally online.

threetonesun said,
I'd like to see games go back to using cartridges myself. Or something like an SD card. I don't see MS going Blu-ray, nor totally online.

They have to go blu-ray. A lot of the people who bought a PS3 did so just as a blu-ray player regardless of it being able to play games. They did it for the future updates that sony would provide, compared to a blu-ray player were the company drops support after a year and moves onto the next one.

threetonesun said,
I'd like to see games go back to using cartridges myself. Or something like an SD card. I don't see MS going Blu-ray, nor totally online.

I think all three consoles with Blu-ray will help their piracy issue (help, not solve) for now (as in a couple of years internet speeds/rates will get better) and It will give Blu-ray that final push it needs....

Would've been nice to include the dates of E3 in this article, save people Googling if curious. June 5th-7th anyway.

Now I'm wondering, which Optical Media will the PS use? An upgraded Blu-Ray or another media type? Each of the PSes brought to the table a new Optical Media, but due to the recent crisis I don't see how Blu-ray could be displaced.

QUANTA 0000 said,
I hope everyone will do the right thing and boycott Sony

You can bet that I will purchase a Playstation 4 when the timing is correct.

QUANTA 0000 said,
I hope everyone will do the right thing and boycott Sony

Why? What did they do? They were more than generous and effective at taking care of the breach earlier this year, and they're not the only guys who suck at security, they just happened to become targets. If you read the news, you'd know that major companies, even contract holders with the U.S. DoD, get hacked every day.

I too will be buying a PS4, maybe not a first-gen one, I'll wait 6 months or so and let them burn through a couple of versions to work out the kinks. I learned my lesson about buying first gen consoles with my original XBox. I had to replace the DVD drive in it twice before I finally just gave up on it.

I just hope they stick with a good old, tactile feedback controller as the default, with movement devices as secondary. The PS Move is nifty for certain games, but I like to sit down and veg out with a controller at the end of a long day of work. If everybody keeps moving toward these touch screen controllers and motion sensing controllers, I may go somewhere else for my gaming needs.

Wow, I don't know what I'd want in the next Xbox. I really like that DVR technology that MS just patented which would be very useful to me. I want Crysis 1 to look like it did on Very High PC! That would be sweet.

Dual GTX 590's fo sho'
I want to see a console that beats average desktop graphics, although this is a lot to ask for.

Eraknelo said,
Dual GTX 590's fo sho'
I want to see a console that beats average desktop graphics, although this is a lot to ask for.

Yes, because I love paying £1000 for something bigger then the original XBOX

To be honest, even something relatively weak compared to today's latest and greatest graphics cards would do really well. You have to remember, the graphics card predates the Radeon HD2000 series, which would barely even run the latest "My Little Pony" game in today's age of games And yet, you're looking at a console that can play Crysis 2 in 720p at "Mid" level visuals on the PC version, so the 360 has extremely long legs. Try to run Crysis 2 with 512MB with a Radeon HD 2000 series GPU, a Core 2 Quad CPU on Windows XP and see how far you get... I guarantee it won't be 30 frames per second

Eraknelo said,
Dual GTX 590's fo sho'
I want to see a console that beats average desktop graphics, although this is a lot to ask for.

When X360 was released, it had the best gpu in the market at the time.

360:

- slot-load drive
- online game rental service with no physical media
- tight integration with Windows Media Center or sharing or HS. Not an "app". Just seamless experience.
- mouse & keyboard support
- ground-up MMO support built into the structure
- built-in screenshot/video recording of any game being played and sharing options to friends and the web

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head.

PS3:

- Just dont **** this one up so bad and be a real contender to push the industry along.

Wii U:

- Dont be a "Virtual Boy"
- remember piracy drove a lot of your sales
- current graphics abilities

AmazingRando said,

- remember piracy drove a lot of your sales

Uhh. No.

Being the must-have children's toy drove most sales.
Piracy didn't make Cabbage Patch Dolls or Tickle Me Elmo popular.

AmazingRando said,
360:
Wii U
- remember piracy drove a lot of your sales

I agree. That's when I bought one. I bought one right after watching a youtube video on how to softmod the wii. I watched and though, uh..... it's that easy? I then made a V line to walmart, bought it, and had it modded in less than 20 mins. That was back in 2008

AmazingRando said,

PS3:
- Just dont **** this one up so bad and be a real contender to push the industry along.

Your list for Microsoft's next gen console is just a list of what the PS3 already has and then you rag on the PS3? I think it was a real contender, out selling the 360 in most markets.

Slot drive - Always did tick
Online game rental - Playstation Plus Subscription tick
Good standard media playback - Standard UPnP tick
Mouse and Keyboard support - tick
MMO in structure - eh? what is this?
Built in recording - meh, just use your TV nearly all of them have a PVR builtin these days.

Edited by bits, Jan 7 2012, 12:26am :

AmazingRando said,

Wii U:
- current graphics abilities

The CPU is rumored to be an IBM Power7 which is way faster than whats in the currrent gent. Looking at the graphics the rumors say R770 from AMD which should deliver 3 to 4 maybe even more times the power of the current gen. Also the hardware jump wont be as big as last gen even Sony said that. The cost of games are huge but yes there are room for improvement and I've read one of the bigger problems is the lack of RAM. Wii U will have 1gb twice what the current gen has.

Keyboard and mouse? I know keyboard is supported on PS3 and Wii so it's the games who miss the support i guess?

Wii U (IMO) has a strong selling point for me by not having a harddrive inside but being able to use your external is so much better. Look at the prices for the old Xbox 360 harddrives, I mean that was like 2, 3 or 4 times the price of normal harddrives.

Having a multimedia station in one? Many people already have a bluray and Netflix etc can make apps for the consoles to stream content. But yes having one instead of two to do the same thing is ofc nicer but not really nessasery.

Karanlos said,

The CPU is rumored to be an IBM Power7 which is way faster than whats in the currrent gent. Looking at the graphics the rumors say R770 from AMD which should deliver 3 to 4 maybe even more times the power of the current gen. Also the hardware jump wont be as big as last gen even Sony said that. The cost of games are huge but yes there are room for improvement and I've read one of the bigger problems is the lack of RAM. Wii U will have 1gb twice what the current gen has.

The amount of ram you state the wii u will have is only a rumor. There's been no confirmation on exactly how much it has yet.

Next gen consoles need to go the Onlive way.. No Optical Drive, No Hard Disk, No GPU, a simple ARM processor (with everything on the cloud), console priced less than 50$, monthly subscription of less than 10$, options to rent games instead of buy games..

raghavny80 said,
Next gen consoles need to go the Onlive way.
It won't happen, not yet at least. As Onlive has proven, while there is a demand for such a service from people who don't want to keep upgrading their system, there is a trade-off in graphics as well as potential lag. This could change if Internet speeds get better (this coming from someone who remembers having a 56k modem) but for the moment consoles are here to stay.

Intrinsica said,
It won't happen, not yet at least. As Onlive has proven, while there is a demand for such a service from people who don't want to keep upgrading their system, there is a trade-off in graphics as well as potential lag. This could change if Internet speeds get better (this coming from someone who remembers having a 56k modem) but for the moment consoles are here to stay.

Not only with what you stated, but not everyone has awesome internet speeds, and a lot of providers are limiting customers to data rates. Onlive would only help insure customers go over those rates.
While "cloud" services would be nice, the world is not ready for it. Once enough of the population, not just America, is able to use internet without restrictions, we will see more of a cloud service being offered.
As of right now, minimal cloud service is the way to go. Not full.

The world will never be ready for anything. But did the world stop making swimming pools just because millions around the world do not have sufficient access to drinking water.
In 2000, I did not think multiplayer gaming over internet will not work and In 2005, I did not believe XBOX live is a smart business strategy. Its 2012 and I am ready for the cloud and I sure know a lot lot of people who are..

raghavny80 said,
The world will never be ready for anything. But did the world stop making swimming pools just because millions around the world do not have sufficient access to drinking water.
In 2000, I did not think multiplayer gaming over internet will not work and In 2005, I did not believe XBOX live is a smart business strategy. Its 2012 and I am ready for the cloud and I sure know a lot lot of people who are..


I hate the cloud ... It's only good for businesses ..

Intrinsica said,
It won't happen, not yet at least. As Onlive has proven, while there is a demand for such a service from people who don't want to keep upgrading their system, there is a trade-off in graphics as well as potential lag. This could change if Internet speeds get better (this coming from someone who remembers having a 56k modem) but for the moment consoles are here to stay.

i dunno about you, but i think the cloud is nowhere near ready or reliable yet. i'm not a pro cloud guy either, i like my data on my system under my control , not entrusting it to some corporation. besides, it's not just broadband what needs to speed up, if everything goes cloud, the phone networks will need to be improved drastically. i don't know where you are but in the UK the mobile networks are terrible when you start using them intensively. i would hate for my new laptop (future laptop) that loaded it's O/S from the cloud, not to be able to be used because the mobile network lacked the capacity & speed. personally i think the cloud is a moneyspinner & silly system that attempts to put all our internet data and other things in the hands of corporations making it easier for governments to get hold of & restrict freedom of expression & control what people share & use the internet for. there would need to be a huge shake-up on privacy & data protection laws aswell as less government control & influence over what we are allowed to do.

m0nty said,
i think the cloud is a moneyspinner & silly system that attempts to put all our internet data and other things in the hands of corporations making it easier for governments to get hold of & restrict freedom of expression & control what people share & use the internet for.

That seems like a bit of tinfoil hat idea.

Do you have an email address with Google, Hotmail, Yahoo, or any of the other online options? That's you basically trusting your emails with them - the corporations. I don't know about you, but with things like online banking and shopping, I'm also trusting the online banks and shops with my financial information.

Mobile networks do need to improve, but I'm under the (possibly wrong) assumption that this is a matter of technology as opposed to network coverage. Having lived in the UK for at least half of my life, I can think of a few networks that are more than reasonable when it comes to coverage. Over in Switzerland (where I'm currently located) it's the same deal; there are some networks that seem awful for coverage, and others that work just fine.

I'm not pro-cloud just because I like physical media, and when the media is digital I like to have it on my own system. Using OnLive as an example, there is nothing to stop them removing a game from their library because it isn't worth keeping it due to the low amount of people that play said game. But I digress from my original point, which is that unless there is an improvement in connection speeds and bandwidth limits, a console that connects to a remote server to play a game will not beat having the console with the processing power in your house.

Just got a 360 S 4GB and not really feeling the burn just yet. I'm sure they'll announce it but nothing probably wont come out till 2013 or later anyways. So by then i'll be looking to upgrade anyways

Another problem is DLC. If the DLC is on the disc when I buy the game and you want me to pay to unlock it I can promise you will most likely never see my money again. DLC should be extra content that you worked on to release after the game is out. Not something you disabled so you could fleece your customers.

I'm really hoping they stretch it out to late 2013 or early 2014 at least. I'm not interested in spending a bunch of money on new consoles. Especially Sony because they are terrible at backwards compatibility.

Let me play my old console games on your new console. I'm not going to throw away thousands of dollars of games just because you are too lazy to put in the feature to let me. I certainly don't want 2 playstations sitting there because of it.

The console wars are gonna be over after the next generation simply because they don't give the consumers what they want. A new company will come in (like onlive) and let me play my game whenever and wherever I want. Sony and MS want everything locked down tighter than a supermax prison. They are so scared that someone will find an easy way to pirate on their system that they make it a lot less enjoyable experience for everyone.

Consoles are all pretty powerful computers so let us do what we want on them. You charge a lot of money for very little control over our purchase. It's why I am pc gaming now and my consoles are gathering dust.

WesDog said,
I'm really hoping they stretch it out to late 2013 or early 2014 at least. I'm not interested in spending a bunch of money on new consoles. Especially Sony because they are terrible at backwards compatibility.

Let me play my old console games on your new console. I'm not going to throw away thousands of dollars of games just because you are too lazy to put in the feature to let me. I certainly don't want 2 playstations sitting there because of it.

The console wars are gonna be over after the next generation simply because they don't give the consumers what they want. A new company will come in (like onlive) and let me play my game whenever and wherever I want. Sony and MS want everything locked down tighter than a supermax prison. They are so scared that someone will find an easy way to pirate on their system that they make it a lot less enjoyable experience for everyone.

Consoles are all pretty powerful computers so let us do what we want on them. You charge a lot of money for very little control over our purchase. It's why I am pc gaming now and my consoles are gathering dust.

This, the 2nd paragraph mainly.

WesDog said,
I'm really hoping they stretch it out to late 2013 or early 2014 at least. I'm not interested in spending a bunch of money on new consoles. Especially Sony because they are terrible at backwards compatibility.

You do know you don't have to purchase the console at launch right ?

I hope these consoles will have the power to exceed current PC gaming specifications. I look forward to a refresh in gaming, if consoles come with great specs that will last a few years and not feel underpowered and have keyboard and mouse PC gaming will have a tough life.

I'll go ahead and say that having a blu-ray player will be nice. Make it backwards compatible of course. I'm saying blu-ray only because it holds more data and more data means putting more of a single game onto one disc.

laserfloyd said,
I'll go ahead and say that having a blu-ray player will be nice. Make it backwards compatible of course. I'm saying blu-ray only because it holds more data and more data means putting more of a single game onto one disc.

I know DLC is the way of the future but I still like having the option to NOT download gigs and gigs of data. SW:TOR was 30+ gigs and that was just painful to download. :-o

laserfloyd said,
I'll go ahead and say that having a blu-ray player will be nice. Make it backwards compatible of course. I'm saying blu-ray only because it holds more data and more data means putting more of a single game onto one disc.

Agreed. For Microsoft I think a Bluray drive is a necessity at this point. I should only need one device connected to my television. that's clearly their goal by trying to be a set top box / television box now too, so Bluray is really a no brainer.

laserfloyd said,
I'll go ahead and say that having a blu-ray player will be nice. Make it backwards compatible of course. I'm saying blu-ray only because it holds more data and more data means putting more of a single game onto one disc.

So long as they improve the read times on this one. Having all that extra data is useless when you have to install content before you play. Or, in the case of MGS4, at the start of every single act.

M_Lyons10 said,

Agreed. For Microsoft I think a Bluray drive is a necessity at this point. I should only need one device connected to my television. that's clearly their goal by trying to be a set top box / television box now too, so Bluray is really a no brainer.

Bluray is Sony's technology, doubt Microsoft will want it. They'll likely go for a priority format like Nintendo.

It's official: Booking half-days off work to watch the press conferences this year. The last couple of years it's barely been worth even rushing to get home early enough to catch them.

Kushan said,
It's official: Booking half-days off work to watch the press conferences this year. The last couple of years it's barely been worth even rushing to get home early enough to catch them.

Yeah, the last couple have been rather disappointing indeed.

ahhell said,
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daniel_rh said,
A successor for the PS3? Already?! This was fast

It's been 6 years already since the PS3 came out, and it'll be 7 or 8 years by the time it's successor comes out, which is actually a longer gap than with past consoles (they were released about 6 years apart from one another).

daniel_rh said,
A successor for the PS3? Already?! This was fast

Actually it's not.

PS1: 1995 (LATE 1994 for Japan)
PS2: 2000
PS3: 2006

So it's pretty much 6 years between releases for previous PlayStations.
If this is true, even if Sony were to launch it this year, it'd be 6 years after the PS3. More likely, it'll be at least 2013 and possibly 2014 before it comes out, making it 7-8 years, the longest between PlayStation releases.

Fun Fact:

Xbox1: 2001
Xbox 360: 2005

If the rumours are to be believed and Microsoft launches the next Xbox in 2013, 8 years after the 360 launched, then the average time between Xbox releases will be 6 years - the same as the PlayStation.

daniel_rh said,
A successor for the PS3? Already?! This was fast

It came out in November 2006, it will be 6 years old this November and probably 7 or closer to 8 by the time the ps4 comes out. Time flies

[quote=AFineFrenzy said,]I just bought a PS3 [/quote

Well, it will probably be another year and half before the next one makes it to market, so go and enjoy that PS3.

AFineFrenzy said,
I just bought a PS3

I'm going to be buying a second one either today or tomorrow. The way I see it, even if the release is in winter 2013, buying the PS3 now will cost me the equivalent of 50 centimes a day...it'll probably be even less, considering I won't get the PS4 straight away.

Intrinsica said,

I'm going to be buying a second one either today or tomorrow. The way I see it, even if the release is in winter 2013, buying the PS3 now will cost me the equivalent of 50 centimes a day...it'll probably be even less, considering I won't get the PS4 straight away.

This is what I thought. I doubt I'd get a console at launch. The newer, cheaper and sleeker models always come out a year or so after anyway.
My main concern is that developers will abandon the platform.

AFineFrenzy said,
I just bought a PS3

Why the face? Theres a huge backlog of games now and many of them are cheap, especially if buying used. And the PS3 is multifunctional so its definitely a device you can get your $$ out of.

AFineFrenzy said,
My main concern is that developers will abandon the platform.

I wouldn't worry about it. Having a quick check online, it looks like they stopped making games for the PS2 around 2010. It sort of makes sense given Sony's previous idea of each console having a 10 year lifespan.

On a related note, I am sitting next to my new PS3 that I just purchased. Now I just need to wait for the TV to be delivered tomorrow, and I'm set!

AFineFrenzy said,

This is what I thought. I doubt I'd get a console at launch. The newer, cheaper and sleeker models always come out a year or so after anyway.
My main concern is that developers will abandon the platform.


There's always a whole year of development after new consoles are out.

I know some of these things have been in development now for a while but I still have to say... I hope they dont rush anything here. It will be interesting to see the direction they decide to go moving forward now but I just hope everything is done right.

este said,
I know some of these things have been in development now for a while but I still have to say... I hope they dont rush anything here. It will be interesting to see the direction they decide to go moving forward now but I just hope everything is done right.

I agree, rather have something well polished and throughly though-out and therefore wait a while longer.

.Markus said,

I agree, rather have something well polished and throughly though-out and therefore wait a while longer.

This has actually been the longest console generation for quite some time. PlayStation generations are 6 years apart, but the 360 will be 8 years old by the time the next Xbox comes out. I think it's more than due!

.Markus said,

I agree, rather have something well polished and throughly though-out and therefore wait a while longer.

Agreed. I definitely look forward to seeing what they have though.

este said,
I know some of these things have been in development now for a while but I still have to say... I hope they dont rush anything here. It will be interesting to see the direction they decide to go moving forward now but I just hope everything is done right.

same i say there time and get them right