RIM's next-gen Blackberry phones delayed until late 2012

Research in Motion has had a lot of bad news lately and today the company that makes the once popular Blackberry smartphones delivered some more bad news. Business Insider reports that during its quarterly financial conference call with investors, RIM's management admitted that the next generation version of the Blackberry, with its next generation operating system, won't be launched until late 2012.

This is a change from previous statements from RIM that the phones would launch in the first quarter of 2012. During the conference call, the company execs said that this new delay has nothing to do with delays in developing the new OS, which recently got a name change to Blackberry 10. Rather, it was due to the fact that it was waiting to get new chips that would add both dual core processors and connections to the faster LTE wireless networks.

This kind of news means that even more customers will likely move to other smartphones from Apple, the various Android-based smartphones (many of which already have dual core chips and LTE support) and even Windows Phone (which could be getting at least LTE support sooner rather than later).

Anyway you look at it, it all adds up to gloomy news for RIM as 2011 is about to end. In fact, CNBC just named RIM co-CEOs Jim Balsillie and Michael Lazaridis as the worst CEOs of 2011. Ouch.

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Yup, this is the final nail in RIM's coffin. I really don't think they have a chance of recovery when everything they have released in the last year has been delayed. They keep pulling on that thin rope they still have and I am afraid it will soon snap, if it hasn't already.

And now that I come to think of it, Steve Jobs would have possibly made it to the Worst CEOs Of 1985!

este said,
"They will probably be out of business before they launch these phones" LOL =\

Haha best comment to date!

All companies i work for (and there are quite a few) which still have BB are moving to iphones.
You can hate iphones whatever you want, but they are simple to use and 99% of the users just want that.
Btw, i live in CH and i am a sys admin.

Krpano said,
All companies i work for (and there are quite a few) which still have BB are moving to iphones.
You can hate iphones whatever you want, but they are simple to use and 99% of the users just want that.
Btw, i live in CH and i am a sys admin.

The argument isn't about hating iPhone. iPhone is good, it's obviously successful. The problem with iPhone is control. APPLE wants YOU to do what THEY want, even to the point where when it was release on ATT network, the branding was STILL APPLE NOT ATT... ultimate in anal retentiveness.

And CIO magazines and many finance magazines disagree with you.. iPhones are SLOWLY being introduced BECAUSE so many people bought one (including executives) companies are forced to adopt them... but since their investment in BB is so high they can't do all at once. Maybe you are a sys admin, but don't forget the single biggest GNP in the world, USA, THAT's is the standard. Taiwan, china, singapore might MAKE the phones because they don't mind selling their grandmother for a dollar if it mean eating another day or making 5 year olds work in sweat shops for 50 cents a week.. but that DOESN'T mean they are the ones BUYING and USING those phones.

Also BB is the one chosen by business to manage, it's not up to the users to say HOW they use their phone, a corporation has to think globally for security and ease of access to email. Not every company WANTS to have a http port opened to the world to access internal email (PULL).. BB offers a service that makes it easy to PUSH email to devices, that's more secure because it uses a specially designed server to do it...

iPhone doesn't have that, no phone does.. EXCEPT BB, that's the key. I doubt very seriously that the companies you claim to work for are just dropping ALL BB and replacing them with all iPhone, if they are, those must be VERY small companies.. BB is successful because they had a model that was easy to use and worked (past tense) very well, but that model is getting ancient and it's time to move on..

iPhone isn't necessarily the answer considering Droid AND Windows mobile can access the same way as an iPhone, there is no advantage with iPhone it's simply preference..

rijp said,
.... iPhone doesn't have that, no phone does.. EXCEPT BB, that's the key. I doubt very seriously that the companies you claim to work for are just dropping ALL BB and replacing them with all iPhone, if they are, those must be VERY small companies.. BB is successful because they had a model that was easy to use and worked (past tense) very well, but that model is getting ancient and it's time to move on..

iPhone isn't necessarily the answer considering Droid AND Windows mobile can access the same way as an iPhone, there is no advantage with iPhone it's simply preference..

Considering the newest System Center tools from Microsoft do a damn fine job of Managing Symbian, iOS and Windows phone devices, iOS is a much better contender for corporations than Android.

You actually can do it if you have a very good margin on the sale of one phone. Apple does exactly that and even then their customers buy it, so they make billions on it and can afford it.

Blackberry on the other end is in deep trouble right now

I've had an account on this site for years (2003/2004 IIRC) and I rarely if ever comment on anything or post. So I'll say this - I listened to the RIM earnings call at 5pm EST like everyone else did and John probably did as well. From someone who owns a pittance amount of RIM stock (400 shares) I find the company a horrific investment and indeed Co-CEOs to be horrendous money makers for me.

Before you start running off at the mouth like idiots - I own an iPhone 4S and a Blackberry Bold 9930 (for work). I've had a Blackberry since they were called "PDAs" and not smarthphones (7xxx line). I think the Blackberry has come a long long way as a phone but it's not able to compete for ONE key reason (and one iPhone is going to make sooner than later)

YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT...CANNOT MAKE A PHONE MARRIED TO SOFTWARE; ANDROID WILL KICK YOUR ASS UP/DOWN THE FIELD EVERY TIME IN TERMS OF SHEER VOLUME/EASE OF PRODUCTION. The biggest fault RIM/Apple are making today is they manufacturer and control both aspects of the phones experience from hardware to software and everything in-between. It's untenable, ridiculously expensive and the time to market is sloooooooooooow (think iPhone once a year if you're lucky slow).

sorry but I don't consider releasing a new phone every week is a show of quality. I had a 8900 for 3 years before I switched to my 9900 and I was still very happy with it the day I switched. Again, "time to market is slow" based on what exactly? what's the problem with making one nice update a year? if it works, don't break it.

Patchou said,
sorry but I don't consider releasing a new phone every week is a show of quality. I had a 8900 for 3 years before I switched to my 9900 and I was still very happy with it the day I switched. Again, "time to market is slow" based on what exactly? what's the problem with making one nice update a year? if it works, don't break it.

Ever heard of keeping up with what's new and staying ahead of the game? I guess not!

you can't do that on a schedule once a year.. if something changes you have to be ready.. can't wait for the next "cycle" to release it.

Look at the numbers.. SAMSUNG is pretty much beating every other phone manufacturer.. why? Innovation.. what is RIM doing.

Stop grandstanding about this RIM is equal to other phone and don't need to release except once a year crap.. SHOW me something that RIM has done to "innovate" or PROVE they are a LEADER instead of a FOLLOWER, just ONE!

Good luck with that.

Samsung in the mean time is releasing phones people are actually WAITING and dropping their current carrier contracts JUST to have one.. if that doesn't dictate how users like to have the newest features NOW I don't know what does...

Considering that both iPhone/iPad and Android devices connect directly to any kind of mail server (pop/imap/exchange) without a 3rd party interface that you have to purchase and purchase support for, and the fact the handsets are so much more advanced than blackberries i'd say the end is quickly growing near for them.

busdude said,
Considering that both iPhone/iPad and Android devices connect directly to any kind of mail server (pop/imap/exchange) without a 3rd party interface that you have to purchase and purchase support for, and the fact the handsets are so much more advanced than blackberries i'd say the end is quickly growing near for them.

BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES) is one of the reasons why BlackBerry smartphones have done so well in the corporate market.

Anaron said,

BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES) is one of the reasons why BlackBerry smartphones have done so well in the corporate market.

That's now one of the reasons why they are starting to lose, as it's far easier for administration to use others as they integrate into exchange directly without the need to support another server app (BES)

Anaron said,

BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES) is one of the reasons why BlackBerry smartphones have done so well in the corporate market.

Yeah exactly CORPORATE, not your average end user...

busdude said,
.... a 3rd party interface that you have to purchase and purchase support for.....

Microsoft offer free BES as a part of their hosted exchange program.

-Alex- said,
Unless RIM do something seriously innovative soon, they'll go bust before late 2012...

Not that I particularly like Blackberries personally, but wtf does that even mean? People talk like Blackberries are YEARS behind. I'm sorry but that's not actually the case. Their phones hold up just fine beside current phones on the market. Especially the new ones running 7.x. Realistically speaking, Blackberries can do anything an Android or the iPhone can do. Aside from gaming in 3D (which most people don't even care about anyway).

Everywhere I look people cling to their Blackberries like a lifeline. I'm not entirely sure why all the hate on for them?

nekkidtruth said,

Not that I particularly like Blackberries personally, but wtf does that even mean? People talk like Blackberries are YEARS behind. I'm sorry but that's not actually the case. Their phones hold up just fine beside current phones on the market. Especially the new ones running 7.x. Realistically speaking, Blackberries can do anything an Android or the iPhone can do. Aside from gaming in 3D (which most people don't even care about anyway).

Everywhere I look people cling to their Blackberries like a lifeline. I'm not entirely sure why all the hate on for them?


Net profits:

Q1 2011: $934m
Q2 2011: $695m
Q3 2011: $329m

'nuff said.

-Alex- said,

Net profits:

Q1 2011: $934m
Q2 2011: $695m
Q3 2011: $329m

'nuff said.

No. You just simply pointed out that they're losing money. Which was not my question. Regardless of what the sales are showing, there are still millions using Blackberries, and they have no intention of going to other phones. Some of the more hardcore users have even left for other phones and come back.

Unless you're saying you hate them because they're losing money? .....

nekkidtruth said,

Not that I particularly like Blackberries personally, but wtf does that even mean? People talk like Blackberries are YEARS behind. I'm sorry but that's not actually the case. Their phones hold up just fine beside current phones on the market. Especially the new ones running 7.x. Realistically speaking, Blackberries can do anything an Android or the iPhone can do. Aside from gaming in 3D (which most people don't even care about anyway).

Everywhere I look people cling to their Blackberries like a lifeline. I'm not entirely sure why all the hate on for them?


as a owner of a bb 9300, im still waiting for a voip app or a SKYPE client something that even the OLD nokia 5800 can do

nekkidtruth said,

No. You just simply pointed out that they're losing money. Which was not my question. Regardless of what the sales are showing, there are still millions using Blackberries, and they have no intention of going to other phones. Some of the more hardcore users have even left for other phones and come back.

Unless you're saying you hate them because they're losing money? .....


Are you retarded? I said they'd go bust and followed that up with financials... Regardless, Blackberries cannot do anything an Android/iPhone can do, they're waaaay behind in the times.

-Alex- said,

Are you retarded? I said they'd go bust and followed that up with financials... Regardless, Blackberries cannot do anything an Android/iPhone can do, they're waaaay behind in the times.

Are you retarded? You simply posted financial information and said 'nuff said'. None of which I asked for as it's common knowledge. Name one thing aside from 3D gaming the Blackberry is incapable of doing? eilegz above mentioned Skype. I wasn't aware that there wasn't a BB app for that. Aside from that, what can't it do?

You can send SMS, MMS, browse the Internet, sync information, play non-3D games, use GPS, use the 3G network, use a touch screen.....so please....enlighten me? There's not much iPhone or Android phones can do thats light years ahead...

nekkidtruth said,

Not that I particularly like Blackberries personally, but wtf does that even mean? People talk like Blackberries are YEARS behind. I'm sorry but that's not actually the case. Their phones hold up just fine beside current phones on the market. Especially the new ones running 7.x. Realistically speaking, Blackberries can do anything an Android or the iPhone can do.

Um.. what device are YOU talking about.. how DARE you compare a BB with a droid or iOS. I don't see announcements that BB has 100 million app downloads, why, because their apps SUCK that's why, their APPS suck because BB is a lousy interface. It does message and email, that's pretty much it. So you ignore the gaming segment, how odd since that's EXACTLY the measure of devices is determined graphics and performance! You just contradicted yourself.

They are certainly NOT on par with ANY other phone on the market. Not even close, they were designed primarily to be email and managed, that's why corporations LOVE them, easy to deploy and they don't care if you can get facebook or play football on your phone, you are not SUPPOSED to you, it's to keep you in CONTACT with business, period!

It may have the speed in the network, but that's NOT a RIM feature, that's the RADIO, same radio in every other phone, BB part is the interface (smaller, not as fast app wise, and NOT supported by developers). The developers that do NOT write apps for it.. that should be HUGE clue how much it sucks, if they THOUGHT they could make money selling apps for BB, don't you think they WOULD!?!? BB have a very small niche, business email customer. very FEW consumers use the blackberry, and if they DO use the BB it's because of the fullsize keyboard.. that's the ONLY reason people buy one so they can text.

Come back with you can show me a GOOD BB APP and don't bury your head in the sand by saying it can compete.. except for 3D and Games, because those comments just make you look totally ignorant.

rijp said,

Um.. what device are YOU talking about.. how DARE you compare a BB with a droid or iOS. I don't see announcements that BB has 100 million app downloads, why, because their apps SUCK that's why, their APPS suck because BB is a lousy interface. It does message and email, that's pretty much it. So you ignore the gaming segment, how odd since that's EXACTLY the measure of devices is determined graphics and performance! You just contradicted yourself.

They are certainly NOT on par with ANY other phone on the market. Not even close, they were designed primarily to be email and managed, that's why corporations LOVE them, easy to deploy and they don't care if you can get facebook or play football on your phone, you are not SUPPOSED to you, it's to keep you in CONTACT with business, period!

It may have the speed in the network, but that's NOT a RIM feature, that's the RADIO, same radio in every other phone, BB part is the interface (smaller, not as fast app wise, and NOT supported by developers). The developers that do NOT write apps for it.. that should be HUGE clue how much it sucks, if they THOUGHT they could make money selling apps for BB, don't you think they WOULD!?!? BB have a very small niche, business email customer. very FEW consumers use the blackberry, and if they DO use the BB it's because of the fullsize keyboard.. that's the ONLY reason people buy one so they can text.

Come back with you can show me a GOOD BB APP and don't bury your head in the sand by saying it can compete.. except for 3D and Games, because those comments just make you look totally ignorant.

OMG Did someone seriously judge a phones worth by how many apps it has?? HAHAHAHA Crazy kids these days.

-Alex- said,
Unless RIM do something seriously innovative soon, they'll go bust before late 2012...
two things: one, there is a Skype app but Skype limited it to one carrier in the US. Two, I believe that I remember seeing example code from RIM for the Storm which provided support for OpenGL. Oh and third, I'm pretty sure that there is an app for VOIP for businesses that let's them connect to their company's internal VOIP networks.

whitebread said,
two things: one, there is a Skype app but Skype limited it to one carrier in the US. Two, I believe that I remember seeing example code from RIM for the Storm which provided support for OpenGL. Oh and third, I'm pretty sure that there is an app for VOIP for businesses that let's them connect to their company's internal VOIP networks.

And what does that have to do with my comment?

-Alex- said,

And what does that have to do with my comment?
well, I wanted to comment on the replies to your post and I clicked "Reply" beside your comment. I forgot to delete the quote of your text. My bad.

I had started writing some sort of rebutal, but after a second read of the "news" post and the first 2 comments I figured it would be a waste of time.
You can't argue with people who will still ask you to prove it's daytime when the sun is up in their face.
This news post does put one issue to rest though, and that is, why did John quit journalism 11 years ago when he realized, like many, that he could call anything news and circulate it for, what's the going rate nowadays for an "online outlet"...about $4.95 a month, unlimited bandwith and storage....

Am I the only one who has a problem with news posts such as this one? Research In Motion JUST released its new flagship phone, the Bold 9900. It was out in Canada late summer and AT&T only got it a month ago. It's new, fresh, "next-gen" (whatever this can mean nowadays), with new features, capable of browsing the web as well as any other phone currently on the market, etc... I should know, I own one. So yeah, the next generation of BlackBerries will "only" be released in a year.

What is RIM supposed to do to please those who complain, release a brand new phone and OS version every other month? they still sell 14+ million phones per quarter, don't you think it's proof enough they're doing something right?

Patchou said,
Am I the only one who has a problem with news posts such as this one? Research In Motion JUST released its new flagship phone, the Bold 9900. It was out in Canada late summer and AT&T only got it a month ago. It's new, fresh, "next-gen" (whatever this can mean nowadays), with new features, capable of browsing the web as well as any other phone currently on the market, etc... I should know, I own one. So yeah, the next generation of BlackBerries will "only" be released in a year.

What is RIM supposed to do to please those who complain, release a brand new phone and OS version every other month? they still sell 14+ million phones per quarter, don't you think it's proof enough they're doing something right?

I found that John does not know what he is talking about. RIM did not release a statement that they are releasing the BB10 phones in 1st quarter 2012.

Patchou said,
Am I the only one who has a problem with news posts such as this one?

CMG_90 said,

Yes.

That would have been a witty remark, except for the fact that someone else had already agreed with him...

Patchou said,

What is RIM supposed to do to please those who complain, release a brand new phone and OS version every other month? they still sell 14+ million phones per quarter, don't you think it's proof enough they're doing something right?

Who said anything about complaints? We aren't complaining, we could care LESS about BB and RIM, they suck, they are a HAS been company, they can't keep their network running right. Our company suffered MAJOR outages over the past 2 years along with everyone else in the world that has BB, and I don't see where if RIM does manage to release a "new phone" every year, it still won't matter.

Selling (according to YOU) 14 million a quarter just means that existing business customers are upgrading, I certainly do NOT see them flying off the shelf at Best buy, or Radio Shack or any other vendor that sells phones. In fact, the RIM is basically flat, it might be up to date like your phone, but it's NOT flashy like an iPhone or a New Droid. No "cool" apps either, and definately NOT robust like the other phones.. Windows mobile is WAY better than a BB any day of the week, I can GUARANTEE you that, so that puts RIM at a Solid 4th, not even a top 3 phone.. so no developers, lousy service, poor track record for reliability = suck ass, and RIM doesn't help when they release the tablet with ZERO connectivity.

How stupid do you have to be? The RIM management needs an overhaul not the device, the device CAN be fixed.. but their management staff won't let it, because they are NOT thinking of the future or fixing the problems they have.

well unless they are aiming to the lowend market... start lower the prices of their current smartphones... i dont see anyone buying anything from them...

RIM its not helping neither, im still waiting for good voip or skype for my bb...

RIM really hasn't been having a good time lately. I'm completely not surprised to hear this news given the level of polish in the current Playbook OS 2.0 previews upon which BB 10 will be built, but it really is a bit disheartening. If they don't get it together quick, they're going to be another Nortel.