Rumor: Microsoft has split Windows group into two teams?

In August, rumors hit the Internet that Microsoft had already started working on "Blue", the supposed code name for the first major update for Windows 8. Some Windows team members have also changed their online resumes to show they are now working on Windows 9, the next major stand alone Windows OS.

Now the well known insider leak website WinUnleaked.info (free registration required) has posted up word, via unnamed sources, that the Windows development division has officially been split up into two teams. The story claims that one is working on the "Blue" update for Windows 8, which reportedly has already generated development builds for at least a month, with all of them having the build number 9200.0.

The story adds there is no new interesting content in "Blue" yet but promises to offer up screenshots once things get "interesting" over at Redmond.

The other Windows team is now working on Windows 9, according to the story. If Microsoft sticks with its current release schedule, we won't likely see Windows 9 completed until late 2015 at the earliest. There's no word on how large either of the two teams are at this early stage.

Source: WinUnleaked.info
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I get the feeling that the Desktop and Start Menu as we know it today, we be the legacy interface of the next generation OS.

Kind of like, what Command Prompt is today (the former MS-DOS in its glory days).

Perhaps we are due a nice throwback to the times of yore. Obviously this used to be common.

Windows used to have 3.0, 3.1, NT 3.1, NT 3.5, NT 3.51, Windows 95, 95A, 95B, 95C, Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE. A .1, .5 or SE release is likely.

Second Edition or Windows 8.5 would be more marketable as an free or cheap upgrade and as a full release for new PC buyers though.

Blue is almost certainly (if theres any sanity left at Redmond) a backdown of the atrocious "modern" (read: interface for knuckledragging social networking types, "duh, i press dis big tile to talk to other people with no lives") UI to a sane classic UI.

Windows 9, well they neednt really bother if Windows 8 is anything to go by

LiquidCrystalMeth said,
Blue is almost certainly (if theres any sanity left at Redmond) a backdown of the atrocious "modern" (read: interface for knuckledragging social networking types, "duh, i press dis big tile to talk to other people with no lives") UI to a sane classic UI.

Windows 9, well they neednt really bother if Windows 8 is anything to go by

i wouldn't get my hopes up, buddy... i mean how can anyone over an iq of 70 think that MS would back down from modern ui when literally EVERY product and service is built around it? windows, office, xbox, phone, web services; all the range from a big desktop pc to a little phone

so no, there's no backdown from metro ui, if you don't want it you'll stay on 7 and left behind, good bye

morden said,

i wouldn't get my hopes up, buddy... i mean how can anyone over an iq of 70 think that MS would back down from modern ui when literally EVERY product and service is built around it? windows, office, xbox, phone, web services; all the range from a big desktop pc to a little phone

so no, there's no backdown from metro ui, if you don't want it you'll stay on 7 and left behind, good bye

Well anyone with an iq over 70 can tell that the modern UI is going to tank with not only new users but long term users (non gamers and non social networking w#nkers), as we have one thing in common, we need our DESKTOP PC's to be productive, not dressed up to be a fad

LiquidCrystalMeth said,

Well anyone with an iq over 70 can tell that the modern UI is going to tank with not only new users but long term users (non gamers and non social networking w#nkers), as we have one thing in common, we need our DESKTOP PC's to be productive, not dressed up to be a fad

so you never noticed the big f-ing tile with the picture of your desktop background i presume?

morden said,

so you never noticed the big f-ing tile with the picture of your desktop background i presume?

Go ahead and pull out an expletive instead of a cogent argument.....

But dont take my word for the looming failure of Windows 8, the top Tech magazine in Australia has just called it a looming failure for microsoft as well.
And for the same reasons, while the underlying Os is an improvement, the interface is a big POS. They didnt use those letters, but what they did say amounts to the same.

But no, youre right its just MY opinion.....

Time to get your head out of Ballmers behind...

Sorry, but there's no news here. This is simply about speeding up development. It's not about if Metro UI is a failure or about "Midori, as mentioned in the comments.

if modern UI should be a failure they need much more than a split team of windows considering MS builds ALL OF ITS PRODUCTS around that design concept; the ui is in win8 and win8 rt, on windows phone, xbox and the web services

modern can't be a "failure", there will be no crowd with pitchforks gathering in redmond

They have split the team up incase modern UI is a failure. One team will be working on evolving modern and the other team will be working on the return to productive computing response in event of a total failiure. I suspect that the work of the later of the two teams will be used. Modern sucks and people are getting over the novelty of touch.

Iridium said,
They have split the team up incase modern UI is a failure. One team will be working on evolving modern and the other team will be working on the return to productive computing response in event of a total failiure. I suspect that the work of the later of the two teams will be used. Modern sucks and people are getting over the novelty of touch.

No, they haven't. They've simply split up the team to speed up development. Similar to the the way Windows team is split up during Service Pack releases.

I hope that with the Win 8 update we be able to Split (50/50) between two modern/metro aps.. I hate that I can't Split apps by 50% of the screen.

For Midori to take off it would mean bifurcating the platform like with Windows 9x and Windows NT. It's too much to ask for it to replace Windows in one go - they would need to find a niche in which the Midori platform was uniquely advantageous but legacy Windows was not relevant and let it mature and grow from there. They've only just standardised on NT after ditching CE for Windows Phone, and NT is a seriously mature and powerful platform now (even if the OS they've built on the latest iteration is more questionable), so I expect any replacement to be very gradual.

I'm guessing here, but:

2013: Windows 8.5, minor changes like OS X 10.x - 10.x+1
2014: Major new version
2015: 9.5
2016: 10

and so on. MS won't do the rumored incremental update to Win 8 for years since that would cost them a lot of money. Sure they could charge for them but only like 20, 30 Euro at the most. Apple can afford that, they don't do OS for a living. MS does, however, so they are damned to offer the full price product.

We need to remember that if Microsoft is going to go head to head with Apple and Google then they need to ditch the 3 year release cycle and go to a yearly one instead. Tablets and phones get updated all the time and Microsoft needs to release at the same pace or risk falling behind.

salim8 said,
I Still Use Windows XP . It's Rock

So do I. I have a couple of 16-bit applications that work perfectly fine for what I need them to do. Regrettably, they don't run on 64-bit systems. Also, I am not going to spend almost $1,000 to upgrade to versions that runs under 64-bit and gain a lot of "stuff" I won't be using or "flash" I don't need.

FalseAgent said,
picture unrelated.

it's a stretch, but maybe it's referring to "Blue," the first major update to windows 8. idk..

It is about time that Microsoft realized the the needs of tablet/smartphone users are very different from the needs of laptop/desktop users. The "blue" group can work with Windows-8 and the other group can work with Windows-9. A big question is when will Windows-9 be released to fix the mess created by Windows-8?

TsarNikky said,
It is about time that Microsoft realized the the needs of tablet/smartphone users are very different from the needs of laptop/desktop users. The "blue" group can work with Windows-8 and the other group can work with Windows-9. A big question is when will Windows-9 be released to fix the mess created by Windows-8?

I think Microsoft already realise that which is why WP has received a number of updates over the last couple of years containing new functionality.

TsarNikky said,
It is about time that Microsoft realized the the needs of tablet/smartphone users are very different from the needs of laptop/desktop users. The "blue" group can work with Windows-8 and the other group can work with Windows-9. A big question is when will Windows-9 be released to fix the mess created by Windows-8?

The only *mess* with Windows 8 is that the UX/UI is radically different for users - and that is basically it. (Even the users complaining about the UX/UI admit - albeit grudgingly - that application breakage is practically nil. Was that the case even with Windows 7? In a word - no.)

So you'd prefer application breakage as long as the UX/UI remained basically unchanged? That is - believe it or not - exactly what happened with the Vista->7 upgrade cycle.

If Microsoft sticks with its current release schedule, we won't likely see Windows 9 completed until late 2015 at the earliest.

I heard from a friend at Microsoft, that MS plans to release new versions of windows every two years.

So windows 9 will likely be released in October 2014.

However, Microsoft will no longer be supporting Windows 10 years.

They will reduce the support to less than 10 years starting with windows 8.

My source didn't tell me how many years, but I guess it may be 8 years instead of 10.

link8506 said,

I heard from a friend at Microsoft, that MS plans to release new versions of windows every two years.

So windows 9 will likely be released in October 2014.

However, Microsoft will no longer be supporting Windows 10 years.

They will reduce the support to less than 10 years starting with windows 8.

My source didn't tell me how many years, but I guess it may be 8 years instead of 10.


Cool story bro, needs more dragons and ****.

Jarrichvdv said,

Cool story bro, needs more dragons and ****.

could we know what your sources at Microsoft told you about that?
Oh wait...!

Midori and maintaining the current product, maybe?
Microsoft is not going to wait when Midori's ready. From what the leaked slides and job offering tell, it's a death star in the OS world.

I think the days of Service Packs are over. The average person doesn't know what the hell they are and how to get them. Windows 9 will be W8 SP1 and windows 10 will be W9 SP1, etc.. There basically trying to copy apple and make everything stupid-proof.

Tyler R. said,
I think the days of Service Packs are over. The average person doesn't know what the hell they are and how to get them.

They're delivered through windows update.

Tyler R. said,
I think the days of Service Packs are over. The average person doesn't know what the hell they are and how to get them.

In that case Microsoft is doing something wrong when it comes to distributing them. Even the simplest of Mac users seem to have the latest 10.x.x update installed.

Tyler R. said,
Windows 9 will be W8 SP1 and windows 10 will be W9 SP1, etc..

Microsoft will jump from Windows 8 SP1 directly to Windows 9 SP1? That's unusual.

-Razorfold said,

They're delivered through windows update.

I know that...Our parents, Grandparents..."normal non-nerdy people" don't tho. They know they flip the switch, it turns on, and that blue e lets them use the internet.

Tyler R. said,

I know that...Our parents, Grandparents..."normal non-nerdy people" don't tho. They know they flip the switch, it turns on, and that blue e lets them use the internet.


Except with 7 and vista the default option downloads and installs updates automatically and then warns the person that they need to restart. Most people restart their computer daily so they get all the updates.

-Razorfold said,
They're delivered through windows update.

Never ever has a service pack showed up for me in Windows Update. Not on Windows XP, Vista or 7. If I do a clean installation and run all the updates System Properties (or whatever it's called) won't say "SP1". I have to manually download the service pack and install it myself, then it says "SP1" (per example).

.Neo said,

In that case Microsoft is doing something wrong when it comes to distributing them. Even the simplest of Mac users seem to have the latest 10.x.x update installed.

No. Windows 9 will be 8 SP1, they will just call it "Windows 9" so simpletons can understand their version is old, time to upgrade. Mac users are forced to do upgrades sometimes, like when iphoto is upgraded, etc.

Tyler R. said,
No. Windows 9 will be 8 SP1, they will just call it "Windows 9" so simpletons can understand their version is old, time to upgrade. Mac users are forced to do upgrades sometimes, like when iphoto is upgraded, etc.

That's not what you said though: Windows 9 will be Windows 8 SP1 and Windows 10 will be Windows 9 SP1. So what happened with the non-SP1 Windows 9?

.Neo said,

Never ever has a service pack showed up for me in Windows Update. Not on Windows XP, Vista or 7. If I do a clean installation and run all the updates System Properties (or whatever it's called) won't say "SP1". I have to manually download the service pack and install it myself, then it says "SP1" (per example).

Well a service pack is just all the previous updates in one neat little package. The only exception being with XP SP2 which added a ton of new features. So you can download them all separately or in one quick package, wouldn't make a difference.

Weird though that you don't get any of them showing up in WU. I'm now on 8 but when I used 7 after a clean installation I would install 2-3 updates (the pre SP ones) and then the SP would show up and download.

Tyler R. said,
I think the days of Service Packs are over. The average person doesn't know what the hell they are and how to get them. Windows 9 will be W8 SP1 and windows 10 will be W9 SP1, etc.. There basically trying to copy apple and make everything stupid-proof.

I was under the impression, obviously wrong, that SPs were really cumulative updates put together in an easy-to-install file from a CD or DVD. Certainly it was much easier than downloading and installing a myriad of updates--some of which conflict with others and don't install, multiple restarts, etc., etc.

.Neo said,

That's not what you said though: Windows 9 will be Windows 8 SP1 and Windows 10 will be Windows 9 SP1. So what happened with the non-SP1 Windows 9?

Service pack = Windows x + 1 version number = Windows (x+1)

A service pack will be counted as a whole new edition of windows + some updates to keep people interested. Sorry for the confusion. I'm tired.

.Neo said,

Microsoft will jump from Windows 8 SP1 directly to Windows 9 SP1? That's unusual.

What's wrong with that?, Microsoft and the real computer coders know best In my opinion, metro is also pretty cool and its an amazing idea, what they are doing is the future. tablets some day screen = no glass or whatever. Microsoft and all the real computer nerds know what they are doing. windows 8 is great.

Tyler R. said,

Service pack = Windows x + 1 version number = Windows (x+1)

A service pack will be counted as a whole new edition of windows + some updates to keep people interested. Sorry for the confusion. I'm tired.


They aren't going to do that. Apart from XP SP2, service packs are just all the previous bug fixes and patches put into one neat little applications for admins and new users. It's far easier to deploy 1 big patch to 10,000 computers than it is to deploy 100 patches (for example).

Everytime MS releases a new Windows the team splits into two, one fixes bugs, makes patches etc and the other works on the new version of Windows. This isn't anything new but the author of this article is John Callaham so that should say it all.

atleast this shows that MS is serious about ensuring W8 wont end up like Vista. They realize W8 could have been lot better atleast on the UX side and working fix things within a year.. instead of having everyone wait for another 3 years.

guru said,
atleast this shows that MS is serious about ensuring W8 wont end up like Vista. They realize W8 could have been lot better atleast on the UX side and working fix things within a year.. instead of having everyone wait for another 3 years.

No way it could happen.
Microsoft never change the UI of windows in a service pack.

Don't expect any visible change until 2014 when win9 comes out.

Btw, I don't think there is anything to fix. Win8 is a great OS as it is!

link8506 said,

No way it could happen.
Microsoft never change the UI of windows in a service pack.

Don't expect any visible change until 2014 when win9 comes out.

Btw, I don't think there is anything to fix. Win8 is a great OS as it is!


maybe they're taking cues from their xbox team? they change the interface like every time.

link8506 said,

No way it could happen.
Microsoft never change the UI of windows in a service pack.

Don't expect any visible change until 2014 when win9 comes out.

Btw, I don't think there is anything to fix. Win8 is a great OS as it is!

Yes, they may release it as Windows 8 R2. They did it before Windows Server 2008 R2 introduced some changes regarding the task bar.

MWKZ said,

Yes, they may release it as Windows 8 R2. They did it before Windows Server 2008 R2 introduced some changes regarding the task bar.


Windows Server 2008 == Vista
Windows Server 2008 R2 == 7
...

link8506 said,

No way it could happen.
Microsoft never change the UI of windows in a service pack.

And before Windows 8, Microsoft had never taken two steps back by abandoning an entire class of GUI best practices before...

I suspect that "blue" covers the MUCH needed fixes to Windows 8 for desktop use. Microsoft knows very well that today's marketplace won't wait for Windows 9 to move on to what is now, ironically, a much more familiar desktop environment from Apple.

I think W9 will come earlier than that. Things have changed, Microsoft can't wait that long for an update.

FMH said,
I think W9 will come earlier than that. Things have changed, Microsoft can't wait that long for an update.

That's unless point releases become more important with Windows 8. Maybe "blue" won't be a straight forward service pack.

Mark said,

That's unless point releases become more important with Windows 8. Maybe "blue" won't be a straight forward service pack.

That's my thinking. I bet we start to see 8.1, 8.2, etc... and a shift away from service packs.

Mark said,

That's unless point releases become more important with Windows 8. Maybe "blue" won't be a straight forward service pack.

I guess more like a .5 release. Or better yet, in MacOSX terms, a .1 release.
So much more than a service pack (from a consumer point of view) with maybe more API supporting new OS features.

This is to stay competitive with Android and iOS between their main releases. Which is necessary now that Windows also runs on handheld devices and Windows Phone >=8 also uses the same kernel.

FMH said,
I think W9 will come earlier than that. Things have changed, Microsoft can't wait that long for an update.

My friend works in Microsoft in Redmond, WA. He said that Ballmer expects new OS in every 2 years - basically 2 year cycle for OS. He said to them, they waited too long for Vista after XP. Indeed, my friend said that there is a team now working on Windows 9.

Aletheia said,

My friend works in Microsoft in Redmond, WA. He said that Ballmer expects new OS in every 2 years - basically 2 year cycle for OS. He said to them, they waited too long for Vista after XP. Indeed, my friend said that there is a team now working on Windows 9.

Thus, proving my point!