Rumor: Microsoft wants a say in Dell's business if it helps with buyout

For the past couple of weeks, the rumors have been flying that PC maker Dell is planning to turn back into a private company via a leveraged buyout. Things got even more interesting last week when more rumors indicated that Microsoft was interested in putting in some money to help Dell's buyout efforts.

Today, The Wall Street Journal quotes unnamed sources as saying that the talks are continuing and that a deal to take Dell private could be announced within days. However, it looks like the talks still have to deal with how much control Microsoft would have over Dell in such a scenario.

The story claims that Microsoft could put in $2 billion or more for the leveraged buyout, but wants a say in Dell's day-to-day operations in return. One possible deal would have Dell agreeing to use Microsoft's Windows operating systems for the majority of the company's products.

So far, neither Dell nor Microsoft have commented on a possible joint venture. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer refused to discuss the matter in an interview today, saying only, "We want all of our OEM customers to be as strong as they can possibly be."

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This would be a huge downfall for anyone using dell equipment.
It's already bad enough when using dell servers with non-MS OS's and I'm pretty sure this would just widen the gap.

That is nothing more than any majority investor WOULD want - in ANY business. (That is whether that investor is Microsoft or the United States of America.) I think the issue is not that the investor wants such a say, but that it's Microsoft that is the investor.

PGHammer said,
That is nothing more than any majority investor WOULD want - in ANY business. (That is whether that investor is Microsoft or the United States of America.) I think the issue is not that the investor wants such a say, but that it's Microsoft that is the investor.

Microsoft already has a pretty big say in Dell.

The cancer, like it or not, is being a public company.

Public companies are the MOST exposed to the demands of the public that invests in their stock and bonds (equities and debt, respectively). Here's an interesting question for all of you out there - is the Acer Group a public company? (They are a Korean firm, and I am referring to equities and bond in the Group itself.) The Group is NOT headquartered in the US, nor is the United States the largest market for even the Group; Asia is both their headquarters AND their largest market. Therefore, how the US operations do, while important, is not AS important (to the Group) as the Asia market is. The opposite is true for HP (and for Dell) - both are based in the US, and their largest market (for everything) for both companies is ALSO the United States. The remarks of the chair of the Acer Group simply reflect the Group's Asia-centric (not US-centric) focus. (Asia, as a whole, is not very Windows-centric - not even as much as Europe, which is itself less Windows-centric than the United States or even Canada.)

Yes Dell, run fast to the bank and cash that check Microsoft will give to you so you can be a stable, more profitable company.

nohone said,
Yes Dell, run fast to the bank and cash that check Microsoft will give to you so you can be a stable, more profitable company.

Just say no to Microsoft

Regards
Nokia

Brony said,

Just say no to Microsoft

Regards
Nokia

Yes, they should have become one of thousands of other faceless, nameless, inconsequential, and forgotten to history Android device makers who go bankrupt on a daily basis.

nohone said,

Yes, they should have become one of thousands of other faceless, nameless, inconsequential, and forgotten to history Android device makers who go bankrupt on a daily basis.

lol what are these bankrupt companies you speak of? I don't think there are even a dozen of such companies, unless you include illegal Chinese factories that produce knockoff Android phones to sell on alibaba...

ShadowXhawk said,

lol what are these bankrupt companies you speak of? I don't think there are even a dozen of such companies, unless you include illegal Chinese factories that produce knockoff Android phones to sell on alibaba...

How can using Android be illegal when we hear over and over about how Android is open and free for anyone to use?

And I suppose since you picked out that one item (that, I will admit was a tiny bit of a stretch - there are not many bankrupt, but there are many not making money from Android), then the other Android device makers are faceless, nameless, inconsequential, and forgotten to history.

nohone said,

How can using Android be illegal when we hear over and over about how Android is open and free for anyone to use?

And I suppose since you picked out that one item (that, I will admit was a tiny bit of a stretch - there are not many bankrupt, but there are many not making money from Android), then the other Android device makers are faceless, nameless, inconsequential, and forgotten to history.

They are illegal because they also knockoff the hardware and wireless technologies from other companies, in case you didn't know this.

I would also not call Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Acer, Asus, HTC, LG, Panasonic, or even Huawei(at least not in Asia) nameless, faceless, or inconsequential. Not really sure what other 'thousands' or even dozens of Android device makers you could be talking about...

Like Samsung you mean? Oh wait, Samsung are the world's leading smartphone manufacturer and only a tiny fraction of that comes from Windows Phone. Making this deal with Microsoft was meant to save Nokia and they're still losing smartphone market share. How many more years do Nokia have to keep sliding for before people realise WP is a lame duck and Nokia backed the wrong horse?

Guys... android has just become immortal, just because of the fact that anybody can go and compile it for whatever platform they desire, it's gonna be extremely difficult that any software closed source would even dream to replace it, rather, they will be just "alternatives" and nothing mainstream.

Brony said,

Just say no to Microsoft

Regards
Nokia

Have you seen what Nokia has been doing lately?

If anything the letter should be.

Dear Dell,

TAKE THE MONEY!

Love,
Nokia

ShadowXhawk said,

They are illegal because they also knockoff the hardware and wireless technologies from other companies, in case you didn't know this.

I would also not call Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Acer, Asus, HTC, LG, Panasonic, or even Huawei(at least not in Asia) nameless, faceless, or inconsequential. Not really sure what other 'thousands' or even dozens of Android device makers you could be talking about...

So every Chinese handset developer is making knockoffs? (See, I can do the same thing as you)

Samsung is the only one of those making any profits from their phone. We know all to well of HTC's recent financial troubles, Motorola was in the same spot until they were bought out by Google (and didn't they recently cause a bit of a hole in Google's bottom line?). And Sony, Acer, Asus, LG, Panasonic, and Huawei are making big profits from their line of Android devices? I know when I think of Sony, the first thing I think of "It is a good thing for Android making them all that money"

nohone said,

So every Chinese handset developer is making knockoffs? (See, I can do the same thing as you)

Samsung is the only one of those making any profits from their phone. We know all to well of HTC's recent financial troubles, Motorola was in the same spot until they were bought out by Google (and didn't they recently cause a bit of a hole in Google's bottom line?). And Sony, Acer, Asus, LG, Panasonic, and Huawei are making big profits from their line of Android devices? I know when I think of Sony, the first thing I think of "It is a good thing for Android making them all that money"

lol I previously said 'illegal Chinese factories' not 'every Chinese developers'. Learn to read my friend.

You also seem to have no idea regarding the profits of any of those companies.... although their profits may have dropped they were still making profit, which was more than Nokia could have said only a little while back. You might want to read those neowin articles again.

In the end however, if you read carefully - we never mentioned profits until your last response. You said thousands of nameless/ faceless android device makers went bankrupt, and I am saying the android makers were not faceless, not nameless, not bankrupt, and there are only dozens of them at most (which are all in fact, still making profit and no where near bankruptcy).

Thanks for reading folks.

ShadowXhawk said,

lol I previously said 'illegal Chinese factories' not 'every Chinese developers'. Learn to read my friend.

You also seem to have no idea regarding the profits of any of those companies.... although their profits may have dropped they were still making profit, which was more than Nokia could have said only a little while back. You might want to read those neowin articles again.

In the end however, if you read carefully - we never mentioned profits until your last response. You said thousands of nameless/ faceless android device makers went bankrupt, and I am saying the android makers were not faceless, not nameless, not bankrupt, and there are only dozens of them at most (which are all in fact, still making profit and no where near bankruptcy).

Thanks for reading folks.

Who are these "illegal Chinese factories?"

I am not saying that those companies are not making money, but except for a small handful of device makers, they are not making their fortunes off of Android. And technically, what I wrote I did not say that all of them are going bankrupt - your original reply of illegal Chinese manufactures who make knockoff devices there are companies going bankrupt. And where are all these allegedly knockoff devices? Which companies have gone bankrupt for making these allegedly illegal devices? Which laws did they break by making these allegedly illegal devices? Which stores can I walk into and buy these allegedly illegal devices? How many of these allegedly illegal devices were sold? How many people thought they were buying an iPhone 5, or a Nokia 920, but were really getting one of these allegedly illegal devices?

You want to ask me questions, so I want you to answer my questions with hard facts and figures. You were the first to make the allegation that the only ones going bankrupt were illegal Chinese device manufactures, so name them.

nohone said,

I am not saying that those companies are not making money, ...

Are you kidding me? You said exactly:

nohone said,

...they should have become one of thousands of other faceless, nameless, inconsequential, and forgotten to history Android device makers who go bankrupt on a daily basis

No part of your original statement is true. My first reply to you is not to prove illegal Chinese factories have gone bankrupt, but to say AT MOST it would be Chinese factories. Because you know what, I don't even know ONE Android producer that has gone bankrupt.

I was definitely saying: thousands of android manufacturers have NOT gone bankrupt, and also the MAJORITY of Android developers are actually very well known both in name and face.

nohone said,

You want to ask me questions,...

I didn't want to ask you any real questions. I am simply telling you that your original statement as quoted above is untrue in all respects.

Thanks

ShadowXhawk said,

Are you kidding me? You said exactly:

No part of your original statement is true. My first reply to you is not to prove illegal Chinese factories have gone bankrupt, but to say AT MOST it would be Chinese factories. Because you know what, I don't even know ONE Android producer that has gone bankrupt.

I was definitely saying: thousands of android manufacturers have NOT gone bankrupt, and also the MAJORITY of Android developers are actually very well known both in name and face.

Yea, and I was making a joke comment replying to a troll comment. Of course, that triggers the Google contingent who have to jump in because Google is treated so poorly on Neowin - so, so very sad.

But even with that, would Nokia be much better off? Would Nokia be making money hand over fist? We don't know, you can't say yes or no.

And once again, you demanded I answer your questions as to who those 1000s of bankrupt companies are - I admitted I was exaggerating. So where are your answers to my questions, or are you avoiding the questions because you were making up what you said about illegal Chinese knockoff makers?

nohone said,

Yea, and I was making a joke comment replying to a troll comment. Of course, that triggers the Google contingent who have to jump in because Google is treated so poorly on Neowin - so, so very sad.

But even with that, would Nokia be much better off? Would Nokia be making money hand over fist? We don't know, you can't say yes or no.

And once again, you demanded I answer your questions as to who those 1000s of bankrupt companies are - I admitted I was exaggerating. So where are your answers to my questions, or are you avoiding the questions because you were making up what you said about illegal Chinese knockoff makers?

Again, that was not my point... just telling you that there are no android manufacturers I know that have gone bankrupt. But yes, ofcourse Chinese factories and firms have produced illegal knockoff phones running android. They may not be illegal under Chinese laws, but are definitely breaching copyright in at least North America.

This example has probably breached the patents and copyrights of several different companies: http://www.fastcompany.com/3001954/unboxing-android-iphone

Is the company producing that phone bankrupt you ask? Probably not, since I don't think ANY android makers are bankrupt, which was my main point. I apologize though, if I offended you by using Chinese factories as an example.

lol what are these bankrupt companies you speak of? I don't think there are even a dozen of such companies, unless you include illegal Chinese factories that produce knockoff Android phones to sell on alibaba...

The only android maker that is making a healthy profit is Samsung.

HTC at one point used to be king, but look at them now. Their revenues were down 41% this last quarter. Not sure how Motorola is doing since they're now owned by Google and don't disclose financial statements anymore. Don't think LG is doing that good around the world either.

Not sure where he got the bankrupt companies thing, but things aren't rosy for most Android ODMs.

ShadowXhawk said,

Again, that was not my point... just telling you that there are no android manufacturers I know that have gone bankrupt. But yes, ofcourse Chinese factories and firms have produced illegal knockoff phones running android. They may not be illegal under Chinese laws, but are definitely breaching copyright in at least North America.

This example has probably breached the patents and copyrights of several different companies: http://www.fastcompany.com/3001954/unboxing-android-iphone

Is the company producing that phone bankrupt you ask? Probably not, since I don't think ANY android makers are bankrupt, which was my main point. I apologize though, if I offended you by using Chinese factories as an example.

So you make claims that you can only backup with "probably." No, I am not offended, I was making a joke at the expense of someone making troll comments and you started making demands that I answer your questions, but yet you make a bunch of claims that you yourself cannot answer. And where are your demands to Brony that he prove that Nokia would be doing better without Microsoft?

No, companies are not going bankrupt, but as Razorfold states the companies that are strictly phone makers - HTC, Motorola (before they were swallowed by Google and can now hide their financials - in fact, they were bought by Google for their patents but cannot use them to attack others like they planned), and the others are not doing well. Companies that have other divisions, Sony et all, are OK because they have other divisions to offset their spending on Android devices. The only company that is making money from Android devices is Samsung, and they sell a vast majority of the Android devices. When you think of Sony, LG, etc. the first product of theirs that you think of are not Android phones.

Arceles said,
Guys... android has just become immortal, just because of the fact that anybody can go and compile it for whatever platform they desire, it's gonna be extremely difficult that any software closed source would even dream to replace it, rather, they will be just "alternatives" and nothing mainstream.

Yes, because no closed source application has ever beaten an open source alternative in the history of computing.

Oh wait. They virtually *always do* in the consumer device space.

/And Android sure is totally open, isn't it? That's why you can totally run those Java Android apps on any platform you want. Oh wait. No you can't, because they're pretty much DRM locked to this mighty, magical open platform.

//If the Google Play Store was a platform-independent delivery system for Java applications that could be installed on any OS that can get a VM going, Android would be reduced to <10% marketshare within two years

nohone said,
Yes Dell, run fast to the bank and cash that check Microsoft will give to you so you can be a stable, more profitable company.

Indeed. Just like Apple had to do to stay in business.

nohone said,

So you make claims that you can only backup with "probably." No, I am not offended, I was making a joke at the expense of someone making troll comments and you started making demands that I answer your questions, but yet you make a bunch of claims that you yourself cannot answer. And where are your demands to Brony that he prove that Nokia would be doing better without Microsoft?

No, companies are not going bankrupt, but as Razorfold states the companies that are strictly phone makers - HTC, Motorola (before they were swallowed by Google and can now hide their financials - in fact, they were bought by Google for their patents but cannot use them to attack others like they planned), and the others are not doing well. Companies that have other divisions, Sony et all, are OK because they have other divisions to offset their spending on Android devices. The only company that is making money from Android devices is Samsung, and they sell a vast majority of the Android devices. When you think of Sony, LG, etc. the first product of theirs that you think of are not Android phones.

lol you keep attacking my side joke comment, which again and again I have said was not my main point. Also I did not make claims without backing, I appear to have send you a link in my previous reply.

I'm not sure why you go on and on about company finances in trying to protect your pride here... but what I wanted to point out was that you were exaggerating about the thousands of companies and that they were faceless, nameless, and bankrupt as none of it was true.

But yes, I agree that the only claim I made in joking - that Chinese companies are going bankrupt is not true. Because to my original point - none of these android phone makers are actually going bankrupt. Thanks

show some kind of proof that WP or Nokia's WP's are loosing marketshare????
utter nonsense.

Samsung make a hell of a lot more money on all the other products they make not from android. Just look to HTC and see how android is working out for them.

korupt_one said,
show some kind of proof that WP or Nokia's WP's are loosing marketshare????
utter nonsense.

I'm on your side, but he was talking about Symbian, which is obviously bombing right now.