Rumor: Microsoft working on Outlook client for Windows RT

Microsoft made a lot of waves several months ago when it announced that all Windows RT tablets, including the company's own Surface RT tablet, would come with a free version of Office Home and Student 2013 RT. One thing that was not included in that version of Office was an Outlook email client.

Now there's a new rumor that claims Microsoft is in fact working on an Outlook client for Windows RT. ZDNet.com reports, via unnamed sources, that while the program is being worked on, there is also apparently some internal debate at Microsoft over whether or not it should be released to the public.

That's because Windows RT has a Modern Mail app already available to use and that some in the company don't want to have an Outlook client for RT available as well. The article also states there's been talk of even renaming the Windows RT Mail client to "Outlook."

So far, Microsoft has only said that Office Home and Student 2013 RT does not come with a version of Outlook. Keep in mind that this version of Office is meant for the desktop UI of Windows RT and is not available in the Modern UI.

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The mail app is a complete joke. It is worse than the built-in mail functionality that most IM apps have. You can't do anything with it. If that's all people need for email, they might as well not use email. I'm starting to hate Microsoft with their over-simplification of everything to the point of making it useless.

Renaming this pathetic excuse of a mail application to Outlook is retarded. If they can bring the functionality that Outlook.com has into it, then Ok - I can live with that for personal mail but as it currently is, it's not on my start screen and doesn't check any mail accounts.

If Microsoft want to rename the Modern UI mail client to Outlook I don't have a problem with that, but they must put ALL the features from Outlook into it.

neo158 said,
If Microsoft want to rename the Modern UI mail client to Outlook I don't have a problem with that, but they must put ALL the features from Outlook into it.

It would be very interesting to see how they would do it, if it is possible. All the functionalities of Office incorporated in Metro..... Besides I personally prefer the " radial" concept and hope it will replace even the "ribbon".

Fritzly said,

It would be very interesting to see how they would do it, if it is possible. All the functionalities of Office incorporated in Metro..... Besides I personally prefer the " radial" concept and hope it will replace even the "ribbon".

I assume you've used the Metro version of OneNote with the radial options then, only two problems with it are that it can't be moved by the user and it's not as intuitive as the ribbon on a desktop.

neo158 said,

I assume you've used the Metro version of OneNote with the radial options then, only two problems with it are that it can't be moved by the user and it's not as intuitive as the ribbon on a desktop.

Yes I tried it although I keep using the desktop version because it gives me all the standard options available in One Note; I also use radial menus in InkSeine
http://research.microsoft.com/...ects/inkseine/features.html
and that was the time when I fell in love with the concept.
Yes of course people will have "to adapt" to the concept but honestly it does not seem very difficult, well at least it was not for me. The concept will surely needs a lot of work to be possible to fully implemented it in Office although I imagine that, depending by the app you are in and the action you are performing it the available options could change; plus there could be an option to bring you back to a "Main" menu etc. etc.

I also remember some video where the radial concept was applied to some Windows concept a while ago although I cannot remember the name of it.

A quality business-grade client (such as Outlook) is critical for the platform's success. So many people use it. Microsoft, give us Outlook RT please. Even though it's basic, Apple's Mail client works quite well on the iPad, and is enough for the majority of business customers. However, Outlook should be the next step up, and should keep it's calender/contacts integration (should not be separate apps, like on the iPad).

I hope there will be a Thunderbird RT. I've been using Thunderbird since it's release. Why? Because I love customization and its efficiency. If RT code was available, I could probably design my own touch UI for it.

I kinda like Outlook.com now. How about just making a client that links to that instead...an IMAP client would be sufficient.

But this shouldnt be a debate, even internally. Outlook is Office. The Student Edition of Office includes Outlook. It should be included with Windows RT...FREE!!!

If I was Ballmer, I would bring the team into the room and just say...with a show of hands who are for adding Outlook free to RT. Then those who raise their hands tell them to go work on it and to leave the room. ALl those who are left...just scream out.."YOU'RE FIRED"

TechieXP said,
I kinda like Outlook.com now. How about just making a client that links to that instead...an IMAP client would be sufficient.

If I was Ballmer, I would bring the team into the room and just say...with a show of hands who are for adding Outlook free to RT.

I am afraid that it would be more correct like this:
"If I was seating at Ballmer desk, on Ballmer chair, with an eye to his giant screen on the wall........etc., etc."

TechieXP said,
I kinda like Outlook.com now. How about just making a client that links to that instead...an IMAP client would be sufficient.

But this shouldnt be a debate, even internally. Outlook is Office. The Student Edition of Office includes Outlook. It should be included with Windows RT...FREE!!!

If I was Ballmer, I would bring the team into the room and just say...with a show of hands who are for adding Outlook free to RT. Then those who raise their hands tell them to go work on it and to leave the room. ALl those who are left...just scream out.."YOU'RE FIRED"

The Student Version of Office only includes Outlook if it's the Student License of Pro Plus, the regular Home and Student version doesn't include it.

Gosh another mailing application? They already have the Mail app, Live Mail and Outlook which basically all do the same thing: Send an email. It isn't rocket science! Why the hell do you need so many different applications for that?

gzAsher said,
Gosh another mailing application? They already have the Mail app, Live Mail and Outlook which basically all do the same thing: Send an email. It isn't rocket science! Why the hell do you need so many different applications for that?

gzAsher said,
Gosh another mailing application? They already have the Mail app, Live Mail and Outlook which basically all do the same thing: Send an email. It isn't rocket science! Why the hell do you need so many different applications for that?


why don't you try installing windows live mail and let me know how that works out for ya

Outlook is an app that you can buy either as part of Office Suite or, not sure but I think you still do, separately.
As for the other mentioned ones..... retire them all and bring back Outlook Express!

How is MS failing to compete? Apple only sold 23M iPads in the time MS sold 60M copies of Windows 8. If you were an app developer which one would you develop for first?

iPad. I am an enterprise mobile developer. Android also, but mainly iOS. Windows 8/RT is not even on the roadmap.

@Leo said,
iPad. I am an enterprise mobile developer. Android also, but mainly iOS. Windows 8/RT is not even on the roadmap.
The shortsightedness of that line of thinking is hilarious. You may as well say "significant technological advances fly right over my head"

I, too, am an enterprise application developer. If you aren't getting up to snuff with Modern rev I'll happily take your contracts right out from under you.

How about a full office package for metro.

Desktop office is good, as long as you're using keyboard/mouse/trackpad.

If RT is meant for tablets and touch, then a metro version is due.

Pretty sad that pinning the site is a better experience than the apps yet not really a solution to the problem (MS could have also pinned those sites by default instead of the half-baked bundle)

This is what I feel the major problem is ... internal debate? Who's running things? Why is there no clear visions. Clearly some know how bad most of the core apps are? Where's the leader to say lets fix this, let's do that ... It's like an octopus with no head.

MorganX said,
This is what I feel the major problem is ... internal debate? Who's running things? Why is there no clear visions. Clearly some know how bad most of the core apps are? Where's the leader to say lets fix this, let's do that ... It's like an octopus with no head.

Microsoft is big, has allot of divisions. And these divisions have been barely communicating (forcefully) for over a decade thanks to the antitrust. They are slowly connecting back these divisions and it just takes time.

Time has passed and is passing. If you decided to join all these divisions across a single development platform and ecosystem, and make major product launches under the same brand and ecosystem and none of them work well together and some of the parts don't work well at all, then you don't need time, you need leadership. I'm not naming names, I have no interest, just looking at the picture, that is what I see. What the actual product(s) here actually are and the company, is irrelevant. If it were apple with the Mac, iPad, and iPhone, coming out like this, iTunes being dysfunctional, no way to sync the iPad to existing media/playlists, etc., no sync app for the Phone or having to use a combination of 2 or three apps, etc ... I would say leadership.

I wonder who or what team is the one working on the mail app and the other ones, is it a sub team in the windows group? We know that the xbox team is suppose to be the ones behind the music and video apps, and I can kinda cut them some slack since they're probably busy on the next xbox and it's own software to update the windows 8 apps often. The mail, contacts, calendar and messaging teams have been sitting on their hands it seems. Maybe they're waiting to update them with the upcoming windows blue update as well?

I assume it's part of the core team. Which is unfortunate because those are the worst apps. The Bing ones are pretty good.

Like, in the People app, you can't even edit/view someone's birthday. WTF? Bad oversight.

scumdogmillionaire said,
I assume it's part of the core team. Which is unfortunate because those are the worst apps. The Bing ones are pretty good.

Like, in the People app, you can't even edit/view someone's birthday. WTF? Bad oversight.

Well if they're part of the core team then that says it all. We won't see any meaningful update to those apps till we get Windows Blue I bet. They'll probably use the updated apps as part of the list of updates to the OS I'm sure.

GP007 said,
I wonder who or what team is the one working on the mail app and the other ones, is it a sub team in the windows group? We know that the xbox team is suppose to be the ones behind the music and video apps, and I can kinda cut them some slack since they're probably busy on the next xbox and it's own software to update the windows 8 apps often. The mail, contacts, calendar and messaging teams have been sitting on their hands it seems. Maybe they're waiting to update them with the upcoming windows blue update as well?

Xbox music and that other "masterpiece" of the syncing software for WP8 completely messed, and no, I do not know how they did it, the metadata for my 125 GB of music.
Thanks God I had a backup copy so I will not have to do everything again; still deciding what to copy sync with WP8 is a big mess.
If resources are limited, complete a project and then move to the next.
I do not have Xbox pass but it seems that the situation for the subscribers is even worse:
http://answers.microsoft.com/e...de43-4af6-8069-4626090289a3

The mail app for Windows Phone is so good, I don't understand why the Windows 8 mail app is so terrible.

The Xbox Music service and app is made by some new Microsoft team in France. They are doing a terrible job too. I don't think the Xbox games team at Redmond has anything to do with the app or services for Xbox Music.

I use the desktop sync app to sync my WP8 music. It is much better than the Metro app, but nowhere near as good as Zune.

http://www.windowsphone.com/en...ndows-phone-app-for-desktop

GP007 said,
I wonder who or what team is the one working on the mail app and the other ones, is it a sub team in the windows group?

I believe it's the Windows Live team - though that's strange because they've made the infinitely superior Windows Live Essentials suite

Fritzly said,

Xbox music and that other "masterpiece" of the syncing software for WP8 completely messed, and no, I do not know how they did it, the metadata for my 125 GB of music.
Thanks God I had a backup copy so I will not have to do everything again; still deciding what to copy sync with WP8 is a big mess.
If resources are limited, complete a project and then move to the next.
I do not have Xbox pass but it seems that the situation for the subscribers is even worse:
http://answers.microsoft.com/e...de43-4af6-8069-4626090289a3


Err, I have no issues with my 920 and Windows 8 syncing. Can use the Modern environment and also the desktop/explorer + windows media player.

Shadowzz said,

Err, I have no issues with my 920 and Windows 8 syncing. Can use the Modern environment and also the desktop/explorer + windows media player.

I'd say you're one of the few. Out of everyone I know who owns a Windows Phone 8 device, none of them, including myself, can sync our music properly, without some bizarre accidents occurring.