Rumor: Next Xbox to beat next Playstation to market?

Microsoft's next generation version of its Xbox console could beat Sony's next Playstation console to stores. At least that's the new rumor that's being reported by Computer and Video Games.  The report is based on stories that have been written for the new print editions of the UK based magazines Xbox World and PSM3.

The stories claim that Microsoft will be first out of the gate with its next generation version of the Xbox. It also claims that the console's target launch date has been set for sometime in late 2013. The report adds that the launch of Microsoft's next console hardware system will be ahead of Sony's by a matter of months but there's no word on a more specific launch date for Sony's game console.

The stories also claim that the next version of the Playstation console has hardware specs that are, at least at the moment, looking to be "more powerful" than those of the next Xbox console. The stories, which use unnamed game developer sources, don't go into any details on what kind of hardware will be inside either console, other than the next Xbox will have a PowerPC-designed processor and have Kinect support out of the box.

However, if Microsoft is able to get its new console out first and if its hardware specs are close to that of Sony's next game console, it could be an interesting fight between the two companies to see which one comes out on top in the next-generation console war. At the moment no one seems to think that Nintendo's Wii U console, which is due to be released sometime before the end of 2012, will be a huge threat to Sony and Microsoft.

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To what extent they will maintain Xbox 360 game compatibility is a big concern. MS, unlike Sony can do very good backward compatibility so if all Xbox 360 games always run on the NeXtbox, it will be a HUGE win.

I hope it has a TV tuner option, and larger removable standard storage, web, supported PC devices, 3d ready, and downloadable full content. With tablets soon to take over, the home device in two years will be this type of unit as full size PC sales fall. If MS drops the ball on full computer access from the couch, someone else is going to run in and take it. At this point in the game, it would almost be smart to make it an HTPC with standard slots for 3rd party hardware.

First off, unlike what many were saying, Microsoft did not rush Xbox to market. The RROD issues with the 360 was cause by Microsoft using a cheaper component. What happen was this. Microsoft paid a component maker to make a part. However that cost would have drove up the cost for the Xbox. It was gathered that the components used to make Xbox are more than double what MS sold the box for on retail. To prevent taking a bigger hit in cost, and not wanting to pass off that cost to the consumer, Microsoft chose to buy the component from another company that made it for a lower cost. And the cost them by causing a problem.

The reason MS extended the warranty and fixed all the boxes, was to prevent a class action lawsuit, from the system breaking down. However the fix was likely still cheaper than paying for the original component. Not everyone suffered the RROD issue.

Also, the other main reason Xbox 360 won out on the market, is because Sony couldn't keep enough systems on the shelf. Every time people went to stores to get a Sony, none were avail at the busiest shopping season. Since Xbox 360 was the next best thing, people started buying them instead and Microsoft had plenty to keep up with the demand.

Developers also switched to Xbox 360 because it was easier to program for vs the PlayStation. Which means they could make, not only better games, but also make them faster. That is why they are make them for the 360 first and then port them over.

As far as the Wii selling like crazy. The attractiveness of the Wii is because kids need a game system. Since Nintendo is family oriented and PS and Xbox mostly have violent games, kids are going to have the upper-hand.

Didn't Microsoft confirm the Xbox 720 name when they bought advertising space in Real Steal with Xbox 720 all over the arenas?

Konstanov said,
Didn't Microsoft confirm the Xbox 720 name when they bought advertising space in Real Steal with Xbox 720 all over the arenas?

Not really, it's a fictional movie and anything you see in it (or any movie for that matter) must be taken with a grain of salt. Until MS official announce the name to the public, it's all speculation.

Kinect support out of the box? isn't that like saying it has controller support out of the box? Kinect is part of the M$ system now, like mice, USB flash drives etc

im wondering if the next generation systems will have a chance to take off... it just seems like the current ones do everything you could dream of

I'm pretty sure sony doesn't really care that the next xbox will be first IF it is less powerful. Sony dominates in its home market and will still do very well in us/uk sales if it is known to be the "better" console. I bet that ms put too much faith in the gimmicky kinect hadware and lose out big this time. And Nintendo? I used to love them, but they seem more like the turbo-grafx-16 of the modern consoles. They compete better with the previous gen consoles.

Sad fact is if MS hadn't have rushed out the 360 in the first place then they wouldn't be where they are today. Yes it cost them a huge amount to extend warranties and fix and replace RRoD consoles but those extra years ahead of Sony really got them the market share they needed to stay at the top and give them the breathing space to continue development of the whole XBOX platform.
If late 2013 is the date we're looking at then that gives them around 8 years since the original XBOX 360 to have really honed in on what they want to achieve and the most effective way of doing this without the RRoD disasters of yesteryear.

These new consoles are really going to decide the next 4 or so years of gaming, I hope they are really powerful to support these amazing new game engines that PC can run. I want to see consoles progress gaming. PC's don't get enough support, they're a bit too specialist and developers don't back it enough.

Yeah but if you think if microsoft released an xbox free of defects at the same time PS3 launched you are delusional to think they would have gotten market share. This same thing when android first came out. You have push it out ahead competition to get a head start.

subcld said,
if they learned from the late lunch of windows phone 7 they will release xbox first

First isn't always better, the 360 was first and the RRoD incident was the result of it. It should be released when it's ready to be released, if they can fast track it safely by all means but not at the cost of shoddy hardware.

Xerxes said,

First isn't always better, the 360 was first and the RRoD incident was the result of it. It should be released when it's ready to be released, if they can fast track it safely by all means but not at the cost of shoddy hardware.


Yeah, but the PS3 didn't take off because of 360 abrasive exclusives. It took around 3 years to port 360 exclusives to the PS3.

Plus, although this is US only, you could always send your xbox for repair if its guarantee wasn't voided or expired.

But I can't disagree with you that RRoD incident was the result of it. It took MS around 4 years to beat up that problem....

well duh the ammount of tech microsoft use is sub standard compared to sony its like comparing a cheap gas station sandwich with a subway sandwich....

SPEhosting said,
well duh the ammount of tech microsoft use is sub standard compared to sony its like comparing a cheap gas station sandwich with a subway sandwich....
That's like comparing junk to junk. Subway? Puhleeez!! Quiznos or PotBelly!! Now we're talking!

and what could they possibly do to these consoles to make them do better than this lot? i bought a 360 for streaming because its cheap, wonder how they will try and get money from me this time? since i dont game on them

DKAngel said,
and what could they possibly do to these consoles to make them do better than this lot? i bought a 360 for streaming because its cheap, wonder how they will try and get money from me this time? since i dont game on them

UDTV?

I think backward compatibility is essential this next generation. I do think its essential to launch in 2013 for microsoft. Sony could launch a bit later... not a year later. Nintendo I think will not do well this next generation.

Melfster said,
I think backward compatibility is essential this next generation. I do think its essential to launch in 2013 for microsoft. Sony could launch a bit later... not a year later. Nintendo I think will not do well this next generation.

This is why they will most likely be staying with the PowerPC architecture as emulation overhead would be insane on a new chip.

Sony could be the marathon winner here if they can outpace the PowerPC CPU's with their own tech, but it doesnt seem possible.

If the next xbox lands before the PS3 then the PS3 has to blow it out of the water AND be priced close to it. We already know the WiiU will land first but if the xbox also hits first then those that have picked up all 3 of the current gen ones over the years will of course go with the 1st ones of the new consoles meaning Sony might have to wait to get sales to them.

SharpGreen said,
Ha, no one thought the original Wii would be much of a threat either yet, hasn't it outsold both the 360 and the PS3?

Because the Wii isn't a direct competitor. The Xbox and PS3 go head to head, the Wii is kinda its own thing.

andrewbares said,

Because the Wii isn't a direct competitor. The Xbox and PS3 go head to head, the Wii is kinda its own thing.


Agreed. The Wii did not compete in the same space as the Xbox 360 and PS3. It was essentially just a tweaked Gamecube with a new control method after all. I still can't believe how dog ugly the Wii graphics were. A special cable was required to get 468p output if I remember correctly.

TCLN Ryster said,

A special cable was required to get 468p output if I remember correctly.

480p, actually. And yes, you had to buy the official component cable just to be able to run it in 480p.

andrewbares said,

Because the Wii isn't a direct competitor. The Xbox and PS3 go head to head, the Wii is kinda its own thing.


i meant numbers wise not spec wise.


Well Sony will certainly be red faced if MS manage to release first again (Sony swore they won't let MS beat them again). However, what worries me is MS rushed to get the 360 out first and we all know what happened as a result...I just hope MS has learnt from that and doesn't cut corners again to ensure they beat Sony.

Xerxes said,
Well Sony will certainly be red faced if MS manage to release first again (Sony swore they won't let MS beat them again). However, what worries me is MS rushed to get the 360 out first and we all know what happened as a result...I just hope MS has learnt from that and doesn't cut corners again to ensure they beat Sony.

Yeah, what happened was the 360 got near-universal 3rd party developer support, a good 10million unit lead and established a hell of a foothold in the market. Remember, you have to think back to 2005 - Sony was the absolute King, the PS2 was widely seen as the best console of all time and relatively few developers bothered even making Gamecube/xbox ports of their PS2 games. Sony was unstoppable - Microsoft had to beat them to market to get that foothold or the 360 probably would have ended up like the Xbox. Of course, I'm sure you're talking about something else....

But the 360 came out 4 years after the Xbox, if these rumours are true then that would place the NeXbox at 8 years after the 360. I don't think that counts as rushed.

Good reply Kushan

However... I don't think it was the "first to market" effect alone that gave the 360 it's advantage last time. Don't forget that by including Blu-Ray at a time when the technology was relatively new and expensive, Sony essentially priced themselves out of the "average" consumer market. Of course the prices came down over time, but the damage was done.

Kushan said,

Yeah, what happened was the 360 got near-universal 3rd party developer support, a good 10million unit lead and established a hell of a foothold in the market. Remember, you have to think back to 2005 - Sony was the absolute King, the PS2 was widely seen as the best console of all time and relatively few developers bothered even making Gamecube/xbox ports of their PS2 games. Sony was unstoppable - Microsoft had to beat them to market to get that foothold or the 360 probably would have ended up like the Xbox. Of course, I'm sure you're talking about something else....

But the 360 came out 4 years after the Xbox, if these rumours are true then that would place the NeXbox at 8 years after the 360. I don't think that counts as rushed.

It's not an insult, but we all know the RRoD was the product of rushed production and a major screwup. Hopefully Microsoft learned their lesson.

Kushan said,

Yeah, what happened was the 360 got near-universal 3rd party developer support, a good 10million unit lead and established a hell of a foothold in the market. Remember, you have to think back to 2005 - Sony was the absolute King, the PS2 was widely seen as the best console of all time and relatively few developers bothered even making Gamecube/xbox ports of their PS2 games. Sony was unstoppable - Microsoft had to beat them to market to get that foothold or the 360 probably would have ended up like the Xbox. Of course, I'm sure you're talking about something else....

But the 360 came out 4 years after the Xbox, if these rumours are true then that would place the NeXbox at 8 years after the 360. I don't think that counts as rushed.

I was referring to the poorly designed console and the RRoD incident that resulted from it that costed MS millions. That was an issue that could of been nipped in the bud if MS weren't so hell bent on getting the 360 out the door first. I'm not saying it's a bad console (I love mine, despite having it die on me twice due to RRoD and having to buy a new one) and it's done extremely well and survived that incident remarkably well....but that isn't to say they shouldn't try harder to do it right this time. I'd hate MS to fall into the arrogance trap Sony fell into, thinking people will buy anything that has "Xbox" written on it and not bother to try harder.

Xerxes said,

I was referring to the poorly designed console and the RRoD incident that resulted from it that costed MS millions. That was an issue that could of been nipped in the bud if MS weren't so hell bent on getting the 360 out the door first. I'm not saying it's a bad console (I love mine, despite having it die on me twice due to RRoD and having to buy a new one) and it's done extremely well and survived that incident remarkably well....but that isn't to say they shouldn't try harder to do it right this time. I'd hate MS to fall into the arrogance trap Sony fell into, thinking people will buy anything that has "Xbox" written on it and not bother to try harder.

Millions? Pfft. It cost Microsoft $1.15 billion to extend the warranty of over Xbox 360 consoles to 3 years and repair RRoD issues. And all because they cheaper out on some components. They likely aren't going to make that mistake again.

Xerxes said,
Well Sony will certainly be red faced if MS manage to release first again (Sony swore they won't let MS beat them again). However, what worries me is MS rushed to get the 360 out first and we all know what happened as a result...I just hope MS has learnt from that and doesn't cut corners again to ensure they beat Sony.

i think they have learned not to rush things.. just look at how they are dealing with the ipad and windows 8.. they seem very calm and controlled as a company... PS4 needs to come out first this time if they have any chance of coming out on top.. Looking at their history I see microsoft releasing a small energy efficient unit that is built into a kinect looking thing.. Sony will come out with a full console again that will look like a thin bluray player.. The bluray player will kill the ps4 again because it will cost them a ton where as the xbox 360 will probably be digital/sd cards/ usb sticks

dagamer34 said,

Millions? Pfft. It cost Microsoft $1.15 billion to extend the warranty of over Xbox 360 consoles to 3 years and repair RRoD issues. And all because they cheaper out on some components. They likely aren't going to make that mistake again.

Alright, so I was out a little the point was it cost them alot of money. Well I really hope the next Xbox launch goes smoothly and nothing like that happens again.

nocturnalis said,

It's not an insult, but we all know the RRoD was the product of rushed production and a major screwup. Hopefully Microsoft learned their lesson.

Then "you all" must know more then me, cause actually it was because the soldering of CPU and GPU was lead-free to comply with EU standards for toys. (Great idea there, EU, however it lacks exceptione like consoles)

The soldering would sometimes be defect and as a result lose connection to the soldering points.

What fixed it was the smaller architectures that produced less heat, namely Falcon (a lot better!) and Jasper (actually beat average failure rates of consumer electronics in general, hence it was a quality upgrade seen as "peace of mind model")

Glassed Silver:ios

Xerxes said,

I was referring to the poorly designed console and the RRoD incident that resulted from it that costed MS millions. That was an issue that could of been nipped in the bud if MS weren't so hell bent on getting the 360 out the door first. I'm not saying it's a bad console (I love mine, despite having it die on me twice due to RRoD and having to buy a new one) and it's done extremely well and survived that incident remarkably well....but that isn't to say they shouldn't try harder to do it right this time. I'd hate MS to fall into the arrogance trap Sony fell into, thinking people will buy anything that has "Xbox" written on it and not bother to try harder.

YOU ARE WRONG...RROD was not because of a rush to production. It was a choice of choosing a chip from one manufacturer vs another. The orginal chip MS was going to buy costed more to produce, so MS chose the cheaper option so as not to increase the cost of the Xbox that they knew they were going to take a lose on with each sell. That is the decision that bit them in the ass.

Learn the facts first.

TCLN Ryster said,
Good reply Kushan

However... I don't think it was the "first to market" effect alone that gave the 360 it's advantage last time. Don't forget that by including Blu-Ray at a time when the technology was relatively new and expensive, Sony essentially priced themselves out of the "average" consumer market. Of course the prices came down over time, but the damage was done.

You are correct in saying it wasn't because Xbox was first to market.
What helped MS gain traction is, both companies chose to release their consoles at the busiest time of year to shop for new stuff. Sony simply couldn't keep enough product on the shelf and MS did because at first no one was buying. As with all holiday shoppers, if they go to a store and can't find what they wanted, they buy the next best thing.

Xerxes said,

I was referring to the poorly designed console and the RRoD incident that resulted from it that costed MS millions. That was an issue that could of been nipped in the bud if MS weren't so hell bent on getting the 360 out the door first. I'm not saying it's a bad console (I love mine, despite having it die on me twice due to RRoD and having to buy a new one) and it's done extremely well and survived that incident remarkably well....but that isn't to say they shouldn't try harder to do it right this time. I'd hate MS to fall into the arrogance trap Sony fell into, thinking people will buy anything that has "Xbox" written on it and not bother to try harder.

RROD was cause by MS user a cheaper component because they didn't want to buy the more expensive option and past that cost to the customer. They chose the cheaper option an it burned them.

RROD was not cause by a rush to market.