Rumor: Nokia Lumia 1020 to cost $699, $299 on-contract

A ridiculous amount of leaks surrounding Nokia's upcoming Lumia 1020 - the 41-megapixel PureView flagship set to be unveiled in a few hours' time - hasn't stopped just yet. The full specifications of the phone were allegedly revealed just a few hours ago, and now, thanks to WPCentral, we're hearing what the price of the phone will be.

According to a point-of-sales screenshot provided to WPCentral, the Lumia 1020 will cost US$699 off-contract, which is slightly more expensive than other high-end phones on the market today (for example the HTC One costs US$599 outright). The on-contract price for the smartphone is also more expensive than others on the market, as it will reportedly cost $299 on a two-year contract with AT&T (the HTC One, Galaxy S4 and iPhone 5 are $199 on the same contract).

If the pricing is correct, the Lumia 1020 will have to push its features as the reason to spend $100 more on a smartphone compared to other high-end devices available. The 41-megapixel camera could be very appealing to some, but the extra price and bulk associated with the large camera sensor may turn the everyday phone buyer away.

Source: WPCentral

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$299 is stupid expensive for a phone using an OS that's not largely established yet.

I doubt there are mind-blowing differences in the pictures from this compared to other recent phones.

Astra.Xtreme said,
I doubt there are mind-blowing differences in the pictures from this compared to other recent phones.

Compared to other Android and iOS phones? I'm sure there is. Compared to a 920/925/928? Less so, but certainly much sharper and less noisy, and much better zoom.

Also for everyone asking about the tech and image examples...you do realize that you can also search for things on the internet as well as porn and spider solitaire.

As a WP fan if this rumor is true the this is an EPIC FAIL OF BLACKBERRY PROPORTIONS. Not only does wp8 have limited choices and no REAL hi end phones and Nokia insulting another nail in the coffin....it also posses me off because if this is true I'm gonna have to go back to android and that blows...

That makes... no sense.

How is Nokia making you go back to Android again? There is simply not a comparable device there. If you want a device that has a camera like this, there are really only two choices and both are from Nokia. If you do not care about a camera like THIS but still want a great camera, then 920 is still a great phone.

(shrug!)

I guess it is difficult for people to understand that those super-camera phones are NOT SUPPOSED to be mainstream super high volume sellers.

let me get this straight. Yes, the sensor it's 41mps, however the camera smartly select the best pixels out of those 41 million to create a final 8mp high quality image, right?

sanctified said,
let me get this straight. Yes, the sensor it's 41mps, however the camera smartly select the best pixels out of those 41 million to create a final 8mp high quality image, right?

From what I understand each picture is turned into two different copies - a 30-something megapixel pic that's pretty much original-quality, and a 5-mp pic which uses an algorithm to combine every 7 pixels into one "superpixel"

sanctified said,
Are there any photo examples showing this technology and the final quality?

AFAIK, just the 808 PureView examples.

thomastmc said,

AFAIK, just the 808 PureView examples.


The only ones I know of from the 1020 would be the ones from Joe Belfiore's Flickr - http://www.neowin.net/news/joe...s-the-41mp-nokia-lumia-1020 and those are 4/5 mp shots, not necessarily taken with the pureview sensor (could've been taken with the FFC)

As for 808 pics, here's a few examples:

- http://www.theverge.com/2012/6...-808-pureview-sample-photos presumable taken in 41-mp-mode, showing lossless zoom

- http://www.gottabemobile.com/2...t-impressions-photo-samples some 5-mp oversampling demo pics, and a short review of the oversampling algorithm

- http://thehandheldblog.com/201...hoto-samples-pureview-mode/ some more 41-mp tests

- http://www.knowyourmobile.com/...view-photo-samples-released Nokia-released images

also keep in mind that many of these pics were from pre-release 808s, and so the algorithms & sensors have greatly improved since then. Also, Nokia's OIS wasn't part of the 808, so that's another plus for the 1020.

sanctified said,
let me get this straight. Yes, the sensor it's 41mps, however the camera smartly select the best pixels out of those 41 million to create a final 8mp high quality image, right?

Silent lossless zoom, and oversampling.

The alternative is putting in an 8MP sensor, with 4MP green, 2MP red, and 2MP blue, then combining and interpolating to create an 8MP output RGB image... really a recipe for mediocrity.

I don't think Nokia sees this as a large seller in numbers. They expect to sell some, but this is a niche device. Very fitting to Nokia though, who has been pushing the camera envelope in phones for years.

korupt_one said,
1080p screen is pointless on this phone you would not be able to see any difference and nokia's screen at 720 are far better than a lot of other phones with 1080

No argument there about the screen quality (I have Lumia 800 and 900) but more real estate is not a bad thing with the device that size and calibre...

1080p screen, throw in the wireless cover and other standard accessories to get me motivated with that price tag.

1080p screen is pointless on this phone you would not be able to see any difference and nokia's screen at 720 are far better than a lot of other phones with 1080

korupt_one said,
1080p screen is pointless on this phone you would not be able to see any difference and nokia's screen at 720 are far better than a lot of other phones with 1080

Most would argue a 41-megapixel camera is pointless too, so I fail to see your point.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Most would argue a 41-megapixel camera is pointless too, so I fail to see your point.

I see his point. One will actually see the difference with the 41 Megapixel camera. While no one would be able to see a difference with 1080p on this particular phone.

That said, I don't know if he's right or not, and I'm not going to try to guess.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Most would argue a 41-megapixel camera is pointless too, so I fail to see your point.

Because most are ignorant of the innovations in this camera. Nokia didn't just put in a 41MP sensor and call it a day.

tanybeen said,
No it's not. Read about it here so you can avoid embarrassing yourself

I didn't say that I thought it was pointless, just that others would consider it pointless. There was no need to be so rude and condescending. Personally I consider the Nokia 1020 to be a step in the right direction but the 720p display is a let down. The problem is that Microsoft hasn't added support for 1080p displays in Windows Phone, meaning that Nokia's new flagship phone is one of the few without a 1080p display. HTC, Sony and Samsung already have 1080p phones on the market, with Motorola and LG soon to join them - there are also dozens of 1080p phones from budget manufacturers.

Windows Phone is usually behind the curve when it comes to supporting new features, whether you're talking about NFC, 1080p displays or even a notification centre.

I will purchase mine on day 1 launch when available in Canada or unlocked online. I'll glad to pay a high end price for a beautiful Nokia Lumia Windows Phone. A upgrade from my current Nokia Lumia 925.

I agree that the phone is nice. What I don't understand is the pricing. I thought the goal was to penetrate the mighty wall of Android and Apple. At these prices, most consumers would walk right past a Windows phone, straight to a Samsung or iPhone. I still believe aggressive pricing should be priority regardless of what the die hard fans say.

The price doesn't reflect how phone carriers are pushing andriod and ipone over Windows Phones. If consumers can afford fuel for their car I'm sure they can pay $300 like they do with other smartphones.

vcfan said,
Best smartphone os on the planet + best smatphone camera on the planet = worth every penny and more
I don't understand posts like these. It's like reverse trolling. I understand he loves the product, but the world is full of many opinions and this kind of post starts unnecessary friction.

vcfan said,
Best smartphone os on the planet + best smatphone camera on the planet = worth every penny and more

I'm sorry, but if Nokia wants to move these L1020 off the shelf, it has to be priced aggressively. I am a big Windows Phone fan, but for $299 with the same specs as the L92x series, and the only difference is the camera, it should be at least $199. I am hoping that his report is wrong because if it is true, that T-Mobile Jump program is making it more enticing for me to stay with them. I will just have to wait for six months before I get the L1020 version of T-Mobile.

JHBrown said,
I don't understand posts like these. It's like reverse trolling. I understand he loves the product, but the world is full of many opinions and this kind of post starts unnecessary friction.

Guy, haven't you noticed posts from vcfan and sn0wbl1tz. They are ignorant, uneducated, full of trolling and fanboyish at best. I've got a bookmarks folder just for their posts so that I can bring them up every once in a while and laugh and what a person is capable of posting on the Internet.

this does not have the same specs as the 920, the 920 does not have 2GB of memory, the 920 does not have GG3, the 1020 probably has a better cpu, the 920 does not have a 41MP camera. so how can you say is the same phone????????

korupt_one said,
this does not have the same specs as the 920, the 920 does not have 2GB of memory, the 920 does not have GG3, the 1020 probably has a better cpu, the 920 does not have a 41MP camera. so how can you say is the same phone????????

Speaking as someone who has a 920, paid in full and unbranded, because I personally do not want to get locked in a contract, I see this device as valuable, and indeed worth its price, for those people who have a particular interest for taking pictures with their device. If you do not, and regardless of the price, the 920, or even the 925, is more appealing.

korupt_one said,
this does not have the same specs as the 920, the 920 does not have 2GB of memory, the 920 does not have GG3, the 1020 probably has a better cpu, the 920 does not have a 41MP camera. so how can you say is the same phone????????

You are correct that the L1020 has different specs. I totally forgotten about the 2 GB of memory. Oh well, however, I would prefer for this device to lower is subsidize price. Again, I hope this rumor is incorrect.

stevan said,

Guy, haven't you noticed posts from vcfan and sn0wbl1tz. They are ignorant, uneducated, full of trolling and fanboyish at best. I've got a bookmarks folder just for their posts so that I can bring them up every once in a while and laugh and what a person is capable of posting on the Internet.

LOL!

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Riptor said,
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For comparison, the iPhone 5 is $749 off-contract for the same amount of storage, or $299 with a contract...

Problem?

rfirth said,
For comparison, the iPhone 5 is $749 off-contract for the same amount of storage, or $299 with a contract...

Problem?

The problem is, it's an iPhone vs a Windows phone. Geeks know which one is better but the average consumer just knows Android and iPhone. A Windows flagship phone should be priced aggressively. When they have a good amount of market share, then you can start to be a little more aggressive. You really can't compare a Windows Phone with an iPhone based on price. The iPhone is to the smartphone world as Google is to the search world. Everyone knows about it.

Well...high end smartphones unlocked are expensive, and this phone fits in to the pricing scheme. It is a bit more expensive on contract though. The only phone I can think of that's more expensive is the iPhone 5 (on & off contract, depending on which storage model you get).

Other than the camera what else does this phone bring new to the table. If that is all, 299 will keep people away. I still think off contract pay as you go pricing is better.

I guess we will have to see some more pureview. I want to see it with video.

ccoltmanm said,
Other than the camera what else does this phone bring new to the table. If that is all, 299 will keep people away. I still think off contract pay as you go pricing is better.

I guess we will have to see some more pureview. I want to see it with video.

If people don't want to pay that much, they can buy the Nokia Lumia 920 which is very similar, but doesn't have the top of the line camera.

Other than the camera? It's THE camera dude. Best camera in a phone by far. I'll be gladly spending every single penny on this beauty.

MeowPurr said,
Other than the camera? It's THE camera dude. Best camera in a phone by far. I'll be gladly spending every single penny on this beauty.

Bing 1020 video test, enjoy.

illegaloperation said,

If people don't want to pay that much, they can buy the Nokia Lumia 920 which is very similar, but doesn't have the top of the line camera.


.. or any other features that the latest phones have... So the question remains.