Rumors of Surface tablet successors and specs appear


The original Surface with Windows RT could be getting a successor sometime next year, if one rumor is right.

We're unsure of this latest rumor that's appeared in relation to Surface tablet successors, but the content as posted by well-known Microsoft leaker MS_nerd details plausible specs for upcoming Microsoft-made tablets. Here's what was leaked in the space of a 140 character tweet:

  • There will be a Surface RT 2 that uses an 8.6-inch display and will have a Qualcomm chipset, as opposed to the NVIDIA Tegra chip used in the current Surface RT
  • The Surface Pro will be updated to an 11.6-inch display, and will ditch the Intel Core i5 CPU for an upcoming and yet-to-be-released AMD "Temash" APU
  • There will be a third Surface called the "Surface Book" that has a 14.6-inch display, and an Intel 22nm "Haswell" chip

The use of a next-generation Intel Haswell processor in a so-called Surface Book is not surprising, as the Haswell chips are the successors to the Ivy Bridge line currently on the market. At a rumored 14.6-inch display on a tablet is reasonably large, so it's unclear what Microsoft may trying to target with this sort of product.

More surprising is the rumored inclusion of a Temash APU from AMD in the Surface Pro 2. Temash is the successor to AMD's current Hondo range of tablet-specific APUs (which combine CPU cores and a GPU on the die), however the Hondo chipsets have only just started to emerge so it will be a long while before Temash APUs are ready for production. Plus, with Microsoft's tight relationship with Intel it's odd that they would use an x86 AMD low-power chip over one from Intel.

Both Haswell and Temash chips won't be ready until at least mid-2013, so there is still some time before anything will start to come together in regards to successors to Microsoft's Surface line. Plus, the Surface Pro hasn't even gone on sale yet so you would think (or hope) a sequel is more than a year away.

Source: MS_nerd

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Sounds like what they're doing:

1. Creating an 8.6 "Mini" RT and will keep the 10.6 RT both with more current chipsets
2. Creating a larger Pro edition as they assume that Pro users want a larger screen
3. Creating their own laptop (the book)

This all makes sense, the more I think about it. I was actually wondering when Microsoft would make their own laptop, and I think a Microsoft branded laptop would be rather awesome. You'd then have the following devices possibly launching by end of year 2013:

1. New XBox (console gaming)
2. XBox TV (multimedia without the gaming)
3. XBox Surface (handheld gaming)
4. Surface Pro, Surface Pro 2
5. Surface RT 2
6. Surface "Mini"
7. Surface Book

That's a very ambitious line if they can release it all by next year.

RT: Tablet
PRO: Netbook with power
Book: Laptop

Makes sense, even is it seems a bit early. However, while not expressing a view on these specs, it makes sense they would already know what is next and be working on it. Likely, they would have been working on this even before the release of the current models. You have to stay ahead of the curve, and product development cycles must overlap.

yowanvista said,
AMD? Why? AMD chips are known power hogs and those do release much more heat that their Intel equivalents.

Because Intel hasn't been able to produce anything that can match the AMD APUs and remain in the same thermal envelope (combined TDP for both the CPU and GPU) and offer a decent GPU at the same time.

What if Microsoft were to integrate in the other direction too? Instead of just moving into the OEM device manufacturers' space they also moved into the OEM component manufacturers' space? Suppose Microsoft start to make their own chips? Suppose Microsoft buy AMD? Then all of this would make sense.

Short Intel anyone?

And just like with all product lines that appear to be reasonably good at the beginning, they soon start making various dumbass configurations that just baffle the consumer, and end up in the sh*tter.
If Microsoft wants to copy Apple, then should do it correctly - one crap to rule them all - the only undeniable thing iCrap has got right.

bigmehdi said,
RT , would disappear soon or later. Ultimately everyone want the full win 8.

Yeah, that's why so many people are buying Android tablets and iPads...they want a full OS...

bigmehdi said,
RT , would disappear soon or later. Ultimately everyone want the full win 8.

Arm has a very bright future, therefore Windows RT has a good future.

Aethec said,

Yeah, that's why so many people are buying Android tablets and iPads...they want a full OS...

There's no compelling reason to use windows RT tablets over android tablets, nor ipad.
Only win 8 would make a difference. Also win RT look more closed than android, since you can't install apps without using store: so I'm not interested by that win RT at all.

Only thing I believe from this article is a MS based clover trail / hondo tablet. There should be a 3rd surface option based on those chipsets. Haswell goes without saying we will no doubt see it in any successor.

I can't see MS turning its back on Intel though, and until consumers become educated on the difference between what a surface pro or atom based win8 tablet can do for you (as opposed to web browsing, media consumption) the price point for the AMD Hondo and FHD screen would be even more expensive.

Osiris said,
Only thing I believe from this article is a MS based clover trail / hondo tablet. There should be a 3rd surface option based on those chipsets. Haswell goes without saying we will no doubt see it in any successor.

I can't see MS turning its back on Intel though, and until consumers become educated on the difference between what a surface pro or atom based win8 tablet can do for you (as opposed to web browsing, media consumption) the price point for the AMD Hondo and FHD screen would be even more expensive.

Just something to put out there, Intel wasn'y notified that Microsoft was planning to release an i5 tablet when they did their Surface event... That was where we got the majority of our info on the Surface Pro too. Old info could very well be outdated, but I too don't really see it happening.

MS_nerd has a decent track record, but the RT 2 seems implausible to me. Going from one size to another doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they're adding that size and updating the 10-inch version as well.

Anthony Tosie said,
MS_nerd has a decent track record, but the RT 2 seems implausible to me. Going from one size to another doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they're adding that size and updating the 10-inch version as well.

It all sounds like BS and i think it's too early for apparent specs like this to be leaking.

MS took a long time determining the screen size of 10.6" and now they're apparently just going to drop it? 8.6" doesn't even make sense. If you want a small tablet you'll likely want something under 8". And if you want a larger tablet then around 10" is good. And 14.6" is for the "Surface Book" makes even less sense.

Another thing is the SoC's. ARM, AMD and Intel. It's like whoever made this up just wanted to get all the CPU compnies in there. As far as i know AMD don't even have working silicon of the Temash APU so how can MS decide to use it when it could be another turd from AMD. All BS.

I too find it unlikly that Microsoft is ditching Intel for AMD...

Even if it means that Intal is more expensive then AMD - Its quality for the price you get!

The other part is that Intel is working on a GPU-CPU combo that can rival the Nvidia and ATI cards. The other part is the tri-gate system that Intel has a patent on --- http://www.google.com/patents/US20040094807

So time will say how MS is gona change the HW on the Surface successors... ^^

Yours Truly

Val.

Anthony Tosie said,
MS_nerd has a decent track record, but the RT 2 seems implausible to me. Going from one size to another doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they're adding that size and updating the 10-inch version as well.

I could see it happening, that is changing the size of the RT screen down.

It would mainly be dependent on who is using the RT currently and what for. I personally see the RT as mainly a media device, that can be used for productivity as well (but not primarily). Which is why I think that it is suited for a lower screen size.

Anthony Tosie said,
MS_nerd has a decent track record, but the RT 2 seems implausible to me. Going from one size to another doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they're adding that size and updating the 10-inch version as well.

He has a good track record and I think its a good move to release a smaller (possibly cheaper) surface to compete in the lower price range, I would imagine the weird size will be down to the resolution / snap working.

The larger 'book' would be more notebook style I think, and would suit quite a chunk of the market.

Anthony Tosie said,
MS_nerd has a decent track record, but the RT 2 seems implausible to me. Going from one size to another doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they're adding that size and updating the 10-inch version as well.

What????

Since when?

That guy is a fraud who has no sources.

MSTurd: WP8 to be revealed on allthingsd
WP8 will be revealed during E3
WP8 will be revealed during windows phone event (omg, he was right this time!)

MStTurd prior the surface reveal: Verizon and Microsoft events are 100% related
MSTurd: Microsoft will upgrade Lumia 900 to WP8, 100% confirmed, from Microsoft itself

You should stop posting things from this attention whore

The broken clock is right twice a day.

FoxieFoxie said,

What????

Since when?

That guy is a fraud who has no sources.

MSTurd: WP8 to be revealed on allthingsd
WP8 will be revealed during E3
WP8 will be revealed during windows phone event (omg, he was right this time!)

MStTurd prior the surface reveal: Verizon and Microsoft events are 100% related
MSTurd: Microsoft will upgrade Lumia 900 to WP8, 100% confirmed, from Microsoft itself

You should stop posting things from this attention whore

The broken clock is right twice a day.

This.

Paying attention to MS Nerd or Thurrott willoccasionally pan out...about as often as looking at said broken clock works for finding the time.

1Pixel said,

It all sounds like BS and i think it's too early for apparent specs like this to be leaking.

MS took a long time determining the screen size of 10.6" and now they're apparently just going to drop it? 8.6" doesn't even make sense. If you want a small tablet you'll likely want something under 8". And if you want a larger tablet then around 10" is good. And 14.6" is for the "Surface Book" makes even less sense.

Another thing is the SoC's. ARM, AMD and Intel. It's like whoever made this up just wanted to get all the CPU compnies in there. As far as i know AMD don't even have working silicon of the Temash APU so how can MS decide to use it when it could be another turd from AMD. All BS.

Surface book is obviously a laptop, probably a touch enabled laptop, not a tablet.
so 14.6" makes sense as a productivity device, whereas Surface tablets are for ultra mobile productivity.

link8506 said,

Surface book is obviously a laptop, probably a touch enabled laptop, not a tablet.
so 14.6" makes sense as a productivity device, whereas Surface tablets are for ultra mobile productivity.

Surface book...may be return of Courier?

FoxieFoxie said,

What????

Since when?

That guy is a fraud who has no sources.

MSTurd: WP8 to be revealed on allthingsd
WP8 will be revealed during E3
WP8 will be revealed during windows phone event (omg, he was right this time!)

MStTurd prior the surface reveal: Verizon and Microsoft events are 100% related
MSTurd: Microsoft will upgrade Lumia 900 to WP8, 100% confirmed, from Microsoft itself

You should stop posting things from this attention whore

The broken clock is right twice a day.


MS_nerd more than a year ago: Microsoft will be releasing a smaller Xbox console that will be cheaper and likely run on an ARM chip while it will also release a full successor to the Xbox 360

The Verge last week: Microsoft will be releasing a smaller Xbox console that will be cheaper and likely run on an ARM chip while it will also release a full successor to the Xbox 360

He's not good with dates, but he does seem to have a decent track record with actual information about products.

Anthony Tosie said,

MS_nerd more than a year ago: Microsoft will be releasing a smaller Xbox console that will be cheaper and likely run on an ARM chip while it will also release a full successor to the Xbox 360

The Verge last week: Microsoft will be releasing a smaller Xbox console that will be cheaper and likely run on an ARM chip while it will also release a full successor to the Xbox 360

He's not good with dates, but he does seem to have a decent track record with actual information about products.

It does not take rocket science to figure out that next gen will use arm and that consoles will cost less.

< MS Nerd claims the system will cost less to produce in the hopes for achieving higher Kinect adoption. In addition, the console will be based on a modified version of the yet-to-be-announced Windows 9.

You missed that part where he said Windows 9, which is not coming anytime soon as WIndows Blue is next

A broken clock...

Since you guys seem to love "insider sources" , here is my insider source claim: new Galaxy S4 will have a faster processor, better display and new design.

Is your mind blown already?

FoxieFoxie said,

It does not take rocket science to figure out that next gen will use arm and that consoles will cost less.

< MS Nerd claims the system will cost less to produce in the hopes for achieving higher Kinect adoption. In addition, the console will be based on a modified version of the yet-to-be-announced Windows 9.

You missed that part where he said Windows 9, which is not coming anytime soon as WIndows Blue is next

A broken clock...

Since you guys seem to love "insider sources" , here is my insider source claim: new Galaxy S4 will have a faster processor, better display and new design.

Is your mind blown already?


Who said there would be a smaller, secondary console that would use an ARM processor? What analyst predicted that? What gaming site predicted that? There wasn't a single one before him, then suddenly the rumors came out in a rush. That's absolutely nothing like saying a new phone will have a faster processor and better display than its predecessor -- that comparison just doesn't make any sense at all.

His claim was a year ago. It's really not hard to imagine "Windows 9" and "Windows Blue" were being considered the same thing at that point.

All this seems really unlikely... MS spent lots of time to make the compromise of 10.6", to the point of CREATING the display and process to get it done. I doubt they will change the size (as much as I would love a 13" one), specially not downwards when you consider they'll be releasing a 7" Xbox Surface tablet of sorts. Now, a little stretch to 11.6"... that I could see happening, however unlikely. Also, remember the RT is work & play... you can't work on anything less than 10"... FINE, you CAN, but it's an awful experience.

As for the other rumors... a new Surface RT - same 10.6" size - with Qualcomm innards seems plausible, but it would be much more logical for them to simply jump to Tegra 4 - there would be little adaptation needed once they have been working so closely with Nvidia. Then we have a jump from Intel to AMD? You WISH. That would destroy battery life, a known problem in AMD mobile cpus... forget about it. The last rumor, that 14.6" Surface (more a laptop than a tablet I'd thing...) with Haswell? I don't see that 14.6" thing happening, but updating the Surface Pro to Haswell is OBVIOUSLY bound to happen (that's what I'm waiting for in fact, by next summer), and I could see, as I said before, this device bumping up to 11.6".

We'll see... All I know for sure is that I'm getting a Haswell based win8 laptop and I'll live with my boyfriend's extra-old Macbook in the meantime... no point on buying a non-touch device or a screen with any less than 1080p resolution IPS panel, it's 2012, people. In my book, it'll be my expectation for the 2nd gen Surface Pro or a Zenbook Touch.

Xabier Granja said,
All this seems really unlikely... MS spent lots of time to make the compromise of 10.6", to the point of CREATING the display and process to get it done. I doubt they will change the size (as much as I would love a 13" one), specially not downwards when you consider they'll be releasing a 7" Xbox Surface tablet of sorts. Now, a little stretch to 11.6"... that I could see happening, however unlikely. Also, remember the RT is work & play... you can't work on anything less than 10"... FINE, you CAN, but it's an awful experience.

As for the other rumors... a new Surface RT - same 10.6" size - with Qualcomm innards seems plausible, but it would be much more logical for them to simply jump to Tegra 4 - there would be little adaptation needed once they have been working so closely with Nvidia. Then we have a jump from Intel to AMD? You WISH. That would destroy battery life, a known problem in AMD mobile cpus... forget about it. The last rumor, that 14.6" Surface (more a laptop than a tablet I'd thing...) with Haswell? I don't see that 14.6" thing happening, but updating the Surface Pro to Haswell is OBVIOUSLY bound to happen (that's what I'm waiting for in fact, by next summer), and I could see, as I said before, this device bumping up to 11.6".

We'll see... All I know for sure is that I'm getting a Haswell based win8 laptop and I'll live with my boyfriend's extra-old Macbook in the meantime... no point on buying a non-touch device or a screen with any less than 1080p resolution IPS panel, it's 2012, people. In my book, it'll be my expectation for the 2nd gen Surface Pro or a Zenbook Touch.


Yeah, you echo most of my thoughts on the rumor.

Although, I will admit: I initially thought going from NVIDIA seemed unlikely, then I remembered Microsoft's partnership with Qualcomm for Windows Phone devices. They also worked with NVIDIA on the Zune HD, but working with either on Surface RT's successor wouldn't surprise me.