Sales of new PCs with Windows 7 end October 31 for several SKUs

If you are a consumer and really want to buy a new PC with Windows 7 installed instead of Windows 8.1, you now have a deadline to meet. Microsoft has updated its Windows lifecycle page to show that sales of new PCs with Windows 7 Home Basic, Premium and Ultimate pre-installed on the computer will end on October 31.

The lifecycle page on the official Windows website previously just showed Windows 7 all by itself, without showing any of its different SKUs. Today's change now separates the consumer versions of Windows 7 PCs from those that have Windows 7 Professonal pre-installed and are normally sold to businesses. Microsoft stopped selling Windows 7 as a stand alone software product almost four months ago.

Microsoft still doesn't have a deadline for the end of new PC sales with Windows 7 Pro installed but a footnote to the lifecycle chart does state, "Microsoft will provide one year of notice prior to the end of sale date." It's more than likely that Microsoft is giving businesses a little more time as they may wish to upgrade their PCs from Windows XP, which will stop being supported by Microsoft on April 8th.

Even though Microsoft is asking its OEM partners to wind up sales of Windows 7 PCs to consumers, there's evidence that a demand for those computers still exists. HP recently launched a small campaign on their website saying that a select few Windows 7 PCs were on sale due to "popular demand."

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Personally I've been using Windows 8 since October 26th 2012, upgraded immediately when it came out, Updated to 8.1 immediately as well,, and 8.1 update 1 I plan to soon as released as well for the following points

Security Fixes, Metro ui fixes not that it really needs much, currently works fine with keyboard and Mouse (will turn off boot to desktop by default if possible soon as installed) If I could afford it i'd upgrade my entire house hold PC's to Windows 8 to be honest

Updated IE 11 in 8.1 update 1, which will enhance security more, Updated Windows Defender and much more

sinetheo - Did you even try windows 8? there is something called Hyper-V maybe you read something about it. There is no comparison between a 12 year old operating system and windows 8. How about security there is another one. Maybe you like getting your machines hacked because there is no way to secure a windows Xp machine properly. it was never designed to prevent the types of attacks that people are using today to hack machines.

Name one thing it does that XP doesn't?

I know as I am technical under the hood what the few improvements are, but to the average Joe six pack Vista and Windows 8 bolt things and are massively bloated compared to XP which runs on 256 megs of ram fine.

Change for the sake of change so MS can make more money. XP was the idea of a mature multitasking OS so why would you ever change?

The argument to upgrade is lost these days I hate to say outside of under the hood security improvements and eye candy.

sinetheo said,
Name one thing it does that XP doesn't?

I know as I am technical under the hood what the few improvements are, but to the average Joe six pack Vista and Windows 8 bolt things and are massively bloated compared to XP which runs on 256 megs of ram fine.

Change for the sake of change so MS can make more money. XP was the idea of a mature multitasking OS so why would you ever change?

The argument to upgrade is lost these days I hate to say outside of under the hood security improvements and eye candy.

64-bit, better shader models, USB 3.0 to name just 3.

If I'm using an SSD there's no way I'm sticking to an OS like XP without in-built Trim support.

sinetheo said,
XP was the idea of a mature multitasking OS so why would you ever change?
I'm not saying you should upgrade to Win8 but your argument is ridiculous and makes no sense. But sure, if you want to stick with XP forever because it's the OS that achieved perfection then no-one's stopping you from trying your best. After another decade or so they may laugh hysterically at you of course but you can always ignore everyone and soldier on with your beloved OS.

Edited by Romero, Feb 15 2014, 10:31pm :

sinetheo said,
Name one thing it does that XP doesn't?

I know as I am technical under the hood what the few improvements are, but to the average Joe six pack Vista and Windows 8 bolt things and are massively bloated compared to XP which runs on 256 megs of ram fine.

Change for the sake of change so MS can make more money. XP was the idea of a mature multitasking OS so why would you ever change?

The argument to upgrade is lost these days I hate to say outside of under the hood security improvements and eye candy.

Jesus Christ, are you kidding me?! Who the HELL still uses only 256 megs of RAM?

Compared to Windows 7, and Windows 8, XP's multitasking features are a joke. Don't even get me started on driver models, security, and stability.

This is just stupid to begin by saying Windows 8 is the new Vista. I mean come on Windows 8 is superior in every way to windows 7. The problem is people are just lazy and do not want to learn everything new and hate change. I have been using Microsoft products since DOS 5.0 and with exception of Windows ME every OS has been better then the previous one. Windows Xp was a great OS 12 years ago but now it is time to move on and the same goes for Windows 7 yes it is a great OS but it was released in 2009 so it is time to go. Why is it that people are willing to buy a new iPhone every 6 months and not complain about getting a new OS pushed down on their phones but when Microsoft wants to stop supporting an OS after 5 years people get upset. Life is about change get used to it people!

That is not why though. What do Win8 and WinVista have in common? they, while technically advanced OSs, were complete and utter PR disasters. Through the power and reach of the internet, the bad first experiences of people with those OSs have spread far and wide. The "lazy" part is people just going with the flow. If your mate tells you it's crap, you'll probably just gonna believe them and start telling your friends etc. Had MS handled the introduction of Win8 much better, chances are more people will be singing its praises. However, MS just threw everyone in the deep end and left them to fend for themselves and only recently (when the damage was already done) did they throw out a life preserver to help (and it was only partially inflated).

There is no question (in my eyes) that both Vista and 8 were leaps forward, however, their public perception was poorly managed and that in turn destroyed their reputation. As I've said before, first impressions matter! you screw that up and your ####ed no matter what you do. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

krobin said,
This is just stupid to begin by saying Windows 8 is the new Vista. I mean come on Windows 8 is superior in every way to windows 7.
That is a very personal opinion my friend. I will admit that Windows 8 has some nice features going for it, but to say that Windows 8 is superior in "every" way is downright ludicrous.

I am a system engineer and I deal with support issues all day long - the long and short of it is people in general do not like change and don't want to learn anything new. Windows 8 does everything better than windows 7 - better resource management, built in virtualization, more secure RDP client, more secure browser and is completely redesigned from the ground up and completely new just like server 2012. The OS is completely new all new code all the old crap has been ripped out - which is why new vendors need to write new code for their applications,.

This should help boost Windows 8 sales, ::chuckle:: Seriously, Windows 8.1 is alright. Irritates a lot of folks and I understand. But 8.1.1 will fix even more, then MS can rethink it's WinRT vision; once everyone is happy ... enough. Good move.

Just get 9 out the door as quickly as possible. If MS would simply put their own heavy handed ambitions aside for a bit they could get people on board. The Metro interface does have potential, I do like it somewhat after using it for a while, but it's shocking how many problem areas there still are. Get it sorted, slap a "9" label on it and let 8 die with vista.

They should offer Windows 7 at least until Windows 9 so Enterprise/business - with no use for Metro and the associated user confusion/training costs for no gain - can keep buying it until Windows 9 demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to the userbase that Windows 8 has so sharply alienated.

SteveZ said,
They should offer Windows 7 at least until Windows 9 so Enterprise/business - with no use for Metro and the associated user confusion/training costs for no gain - can keep buying it until Windows 9 demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to the userbase that Windows 8 has so sharply alienated.

Never mind the fact that Windows 9 is rumored to introduce "Metro 2.0". Saying businesses don't have use for Metro is like going back in time and saying businesses have no use for the mouse (which really happened - businesses laughed at it at first). Never say never.

And, as a Windows user all my life, I have to ask, where have I been alienated with Windows 8? TBH, I felt alienated that MSFT was busy trying to shoehorn Windows 7 onto tablets and other mobile devices while Apple was moving years ahead past them.

I will still offer Windows 7 on my system builds until the price starts to creep up, which it probably will do the closer to it dieing off. 90% of the new builds I do are still Windows 7. End user decision. If they don't want Windows 8 I am not going to hold a gun to their head and tell them to reconsider.

Mr. Dee said,
I think Windows 7 Professional should be sold at retail and preinstalled on new PCs until Armageddon.

And create another Windows XP disaster? No.

Mr. Dee said,
I think Windows 7 Professional should be sold at retail and preinstalled on new PCs until Armageddon.

No, just until they release a suitable successor, which Windows 8 certainly is not.

As long as we can buy a copy from places like Amazon, I will still be busy installing Windows 7 on new machines. I'm hoping Windows 9 is a major improvement.

JHBrown said,
As long as we can buy a copy from places like Amazon, I will still be busy installing Windows 7 on new machines. I'm hoping Windows 9 is a major improvement.

You won't be able to buy it for long. Windows 7 goes into extended support next year.

That puts Microsoft under the gun for a quick release Windows-9 with a choice of UIs to install--one for touch-centric tablets/smartphones and one for mouse/keyboard-centric laptops and desktops. The new version could allow Microsoft to "pull a rabbit out of the hat."

TsarNikky said,
That puts Microsoft under the gun for a quick release Windows-9 with a choice of UIs to install--one for touch-centric tablets/smartphones and one for mouse/keyboard-centric laptops and desktops. The new version could allow Microsoft to "pull a rabbit out of the hat."

Doesn't even seem like it would be that difficult to let WIndows autodetect. If touch hardware = Metro. If no touch hardware = desktop. Its really not complicated.

Auto detecting UIs a still a stupid design choice. You're never going to get that. Windows has never auto detected a computer setup, and with the amount of hardware it supports, would be damn near impossible to determine.

I don't want the OS making decisions for me in this regard. It's seriously not that hard to navigate the Start Screen with a mouse.

Dot Matrix said,
Windows has never auto detected a computer setup

Except that it has and still does already for several settings.

You really don't know nearly as much as you seem to think you do.

Dot Matrix said,
Auto detecting UIs a still a stupid design choice. You're never going to get that. Windows has never auto detected a computer setup, and with the amount of hardware it supports, would be damn near impossible to determine.

I don't want the OS making decisions for me in this regard. It's seriously not that hard to navigate the Start Screen with a mouse.

I don't think this is such a big problem as you make it out to be. Let it auto-detect as best as it can, and if it fails it'll default to one UI or the other. Also unlike what some narrow-minded people keep demanding I still want MS to include Metro in the desktop version. Let there be a switch to completely flip it on/off and I'm fine with that. Who gives a damn about some default setting anyway, but people who want Metro gone completely (see above) are simply being arrogant pricks. If someone can't be happy with a full on/off switch for Metro there's something very wrong with them. I don't use WMP, IIS and a whole lot of crap in Windows and I doubt many do, but you don't see people up in arms about that. As long as Metro is still part of Windows but made completely optional that ought to satisfy everyone except the crackpots.

Edited by Romero, Feb 15 2014, 10:53pm :

Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wants. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.

derekaw said,
Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wants. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.


Here we go again...

derekaw said,
Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wants. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.

Totally agree with you mate.

derekaw said,

It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Geez... there are reports of Microsoft extending Windows XP support in some instances too.

What the hell is going on?

derekaw said,
Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse.

MS listens to feedback > makes changes and improves things > people like you still whine.

They can never win. Windows 9 will basically be more of same anyway, but with a more mature metro UI, so if you don't like it do us all a favour and shut up or use another OS.

derekaw said
Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wants. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.

So, because you don't like it, it's automatically somehow Vista. Comparing Windows 8 to Vista demonstrates a lack of understanding why Vista failed and what really made Windows 8 suffer.

derekaw said,
Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wants. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.

BING-GO. Right on the money. Enterprise is certainly waiting for Microsoft to put some common sense back into Windows, and Windows 9 better have a whole lot of it.

NoClipMode said,

MS listens to feedback > makes changes and improves things > people like you still whine.

As the age old adage goes, you can't polish turd. Windows 9 can come no sooner.

Michael Scrip said,

Geez... there are reports of Microsoft extending Windows XP support in some instances too.

What the hell is going on?

Um. Those companies still using XP are paying extra for that support while they move to Windows 7. They effed up, and are now paying big time for that mistake. Your average Joe user isn't getting that extra support.

@ dtourond 'So, because you don't like it, it's automatically somehow Vista. Comparing Windows 8 to Vista demonstrates a lack of understanding why Vista failed and what really made Windows 8 suffer'

You really think this is just about me? You read other sites and talk to people or do you live on another planet and are just visiting today?

dtourond said,

So, because you don't like it, it's automatically somehow Vista. Comparing Windows 8 to Vista demonstrates a lack of understanding why Vista failed and what really made Windows 8 suffer.


It's not just him though, the majority of customers hate Win8 with a passion. Win8 is the new Vista, period. MS are already in full damage control with backpedaling features and "rebranding" 8.2 as 9 (people expecting 9 to be something like 7 will be sorely disappointed) MS made the same mistake twice, first impressions matter! if you leave customers with a bad taste in their mouths from day one, they will remember and no matter what you try they will never forget (or forgive) what you did. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Win8 and use it full time and like the OS as a whole. However, it is increasingly becoming difficult to not see the writing on the wall and the fact I am the minority in this case. It's a shame 8 will never be appreciated for what it really is but once again it demonstrates just how critical it is to ensure you start on the right foot with customers. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

@NoClipMode - MS listens to feedback > makes changes and improves things > people like you still whine

They are listening, they are making changes but I don't think the changes are improvements, the changes are making things worse. The horrible mess that is windows 8 just keeps getting worse. If you can believe that Windows 8.1 Update 1 will be released as leaked then it just keeps getting worse.

Right now I see a Windows 8 team with no direction, no vision, Listening to everyone and trying anything to keep everyone happy. Thats a recipe for disaster.

derekaw said,
@NoClipMode - MS listens to feedback > makes changes and improves things > people like you still whine

They are listening, they are making changes but I don't think the changes are improvements, the changes are making things worse. The horrible mess that is windows 8 just keeps getting worse. If you can believe that Windows 8.1 Update 1 will be released as leaked then it just keeps getting worse.

Right now I see a Windows 8 team with no direction, no vision, Listening to everyone and trying anything to keep everyone happy. Thats a recipe for disaster.

Windows 8.1 was a huge step in the right direction. But Update 1 is Microsoft going full retard. It's not the update users want or need. It's a regression of the original vision Microsoft set out to create. We need another positive, forward moving update like 8.1.

Dot Matrix said,

Windows 8.1 was a huge step in the right direction. But Update 1 is Microsoft going full retard. It's not the update users want or need. It's a regression of the original vision Microsoft set out to create. We need another positive, forward moving update like 8.1.

Fingers crossed but I think the real issue was jamming the two different operating systems together in the first place, how do they roll that back now? If anything 8.1 Update 1 looks like they are rolling them together more tightly and to me thats obviously not the right way to go.

derekaw said,

Fingers crossed but I think the real issue was jamming the two different operating systems together in the first place, how do they roll that back now? If anything 8.1 Update 1 looks like they are rolling them together more tightly and to me thats obviously not the right way to go.

There was no issue in creating a new UI for Windows 8. People are making it out to be one, when it's really not. They see Metro as a touch only UI, when it's not. It works perfectly fine with the mouse, and my keyboard still works with it, just the same as it does the desktop.

Microsoft's attempt to jam Metro apps into the desktop is not the right way to go, they were separate for a reason, and should remain that way. The desktop isn't going to improve anything, and it's only going to become more archaic as time moves on. Microsoft should continue building upon Metro, while still allowing the desktop tile, until it is no longer needed, then cut it loose.

JJ_ said,

As the age old adage goes, you can't polish turd. Windows 9 can come no sooner.

You have absolutely no understanding of how OS's work. Win 9 will literally just be Win 8.2, the sole reason it will be called Win 9 (if it even happens) is because of people like you.

And Win 7 started from Vista. MS don't make a new OS from scratch each time.

NoClipMode said,

MS listens to feedback > makes changes and improves things > people like you still whine.

LOL
We asked for a Start Menu and Windows (after several months) gave us a lousy Start Button (yes, a single button). Now, let's talk how MS "listen".

Brony said,

LOL
We asked for a Start Menu and Windows (after several months) gave us a lousy Start Button (yes, a single button). Now, let's talk how MS "listen".

The Start Screen is the start menu, you also have search on the desktop. That's not enough?

Dot Matrix said,

Um. Those companies still using XP are paying extra for that support while they move to Windows 7. They effed up, and are now paying big time for that mistake. Your average Joe user isn't getting that extra support.

Yeah I know... I read the report on here yesterday.

My "what's going on" question was rhetorical.

Dot Matrix said,

There was no issue in creating a new UI for Windows 8. People are making it out to be one, when it's really not. They see Metro as a touch only UI, when it's not. It works perfectly fine with the mouse, and my keyboard still works with it, just the same as it does the desktop.

Microsoft's attempt to jam Metro apps into the desktop is not the right way to go, they were separate for a reason, and should remain that way. The desktop isn't going to improve anything, and it's only going to become more archaic as time moves on. Microsoft should continue building upon Metro, while still allowing the desktop tile, until it is no longer needed, then cut it loose.

I don't want Metro on Desktop, Period. I have no use of touch on Desktop and I don't want it to be even included in OS on Desktop. Make it optional like WMC. If some people like you like it then they can install it either free or paid. And yeah, touch and Metro is the future does not hold true. No matter how much you got love for it.

MS backpeddling is the sign that they grossly overestimated their monopoly power and took a big gamble and lost it miserably. They got not only hit financially but also lost good will of consumers and enterprises. MS tablet strategy will be same as Bing. It will be still there but far far away from any dominant position.

Auditor said,

I don't want Metro on Desktop, Period. I have no use of touch on Desktop and I don't want it to be even included in OS on Desktop. Make it optional like WMC. If some people like you like it then they can install it either free or paid. And yeah, touch and Metro is the future does not hold true. No matter how much you got love for it.

MS backpeddling is the sign that they grossly overestimated their monopoly power and took a big gamble and lost it miserably. They got not only hit financially but also lost good will of consumers and enterprises. MS tablet strategy will be same as Bing. It will be still there but far far away from any dominant position.

Of course it holds true. As time moves on, the desktop is going t be used less and less as devices advance. Saying that isn't the case is like someone in the 80's saying that the GUI isn't the future, and that the CLI will always be the default interface for users. New ways of interacting with data will force new UI paradigms to be developed. Metro is evidence of that as it strides to bring the Cloud, Mobile, and desktop together. Computing needs that unity to advance.


Just put it this way, we've moved into a new era of interacting with data. We don't interact with files anymore, we interact with apps, as evidenced by mobility, and the rise of cloud computing. That's not going to go away.

Dot Matrix said,

Microsoft should continue building upon Metro, while still allowing the desktop tile, until it is no longer needed, then cut it loose.

Will the desktop ever cease to exist?

I'm using Windows 7... therefore 100% of my apps are traditional desktop apps. Dozens and dozens of traditional desktop apps. For work. Some huge programs... plus a tons of little utilities.

While there are additional "Metro versions" of some of my apps... are developers really planning on the desktop being "no longer needed?"

I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my head around that...

Fritzly said,
"Users like me do not want"
Corrected for you. I am a user, like Update 1 very much... and do not need "representation ".

Judging by many comments on Neowin and elsewhere (mine included), you are a minority. So far Update 1 has garnered quite a negative response from users, unlike Windows 8.1.

Michael Scrip said,

Will the desktop ever cease to exist?

I'm using Windows 7... therefore 100% of my apps are traditional desktop apps. Dozens and dozens of traditional desktop apps. For work. Some huge programs... plus a tons of little utilities.

While there are additional "Metro versions" of some of my apps... are developers really planning on the desktop being "no longer needed?"

I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my head around that...

The desktop either needs to evolve or die. One thing is for certain there are many factors going against it right now. User habits are changing, and the desktop hasn't proved adept at meeting those changes. People are interacting with data in different ways then they used to back in 1995 when the desktop first came to be. Cloud computing and mobility are challenging the way we work, and that's not going to change any time soon. As time moves on, I can only see the desktop (in its current form) becoming less and less important as technology develops. Just like the CLI in the 80's.

Dot Matrix said,
...
But Update 1 is Microsoft going full retard. It's not the update users want or need. It's a regression of the original vision Microsoft set out to create. We need another positive, forward moving update like 8.1.
That is the problem. For all the users complaining and demanding these changes, there are user demanding something else. Don't forget those adapted to Win 8.1 and like the way it is today.

You can't please everyone and time will tell which level of hate Win 8 will be remembered by: the hate that greeted WinXP or the hate thawt Vista is fondly remembered by.

Dot Matrix said,

The desktop either needs to evolve or die. One thing is for certain there are many factors going against it right now. User habits are changing, and the desktop hasn't proved adept at meeting those changes. People are interacting with data in different ways then they used to back in 1995 when the desktop first came to be. Cloud computing and mobility are challenging the way we work, and that's not going to change any time soon. As time moves on, I can only see the desktop (in its current form) becoming less and less important as technology develops. Just like the CLI in the 80's.

I'm sitting in front of a 20" monitor on my desk... looking to get a 24" or 27" monitor soon.

I won't replace my monster PC with a mobile device.

Dot Matrix said,

We don't interact with files anymore, we interact with apps...

I have 6 hard drives. I interact with files EVERY. DAMN. DAY.

Maybe grandma only needs an iPad to check her email... but I've got real work to do.

Michael Scrip said,

I'm sitting in front of a 20" monitor on my desk... looking to get a 24" or 27" monitor soon.

I won't replace my monster PC with a mobile device.

I have 6 hard drives. I interact with files EVERY. DAMN. DAY.

Maybe grandma only needs an iPad to check her email... but I've got real work to do.

I still interact with files too (mainly graphics), but that has declined in recent years. Especially after integrating my workflow into OneDrive. I no longer need to transfer files and settings back and forth, as that's done for me by newer applications and cloud syncing.

Dot Matrix said,

Judging by many comments on Neowin and elsewhere (mine included), you are a minority. So far Update 1 has garnered quite a negative response from users, unlike Windows 8.1.


If you really believe that people here represent the average user you need to a thorough reality check. Furthermore this supposed "negative response" is a further indication that you need it.

Fritzly said,

If you really believe that people here represent the average user you need to a thorough reality check. Furthermore this supposed "negative response" is a further indication that you need it.

Where did I say they represent average users? I didn't.

NoClipMode said,

You have absolutely no understanding of how OS's work. Win 9 will literally just be Win 8.2, the sole reason it will be called Win 9 (if it even happens) is because of people like you.

And Win 7 started from Vista. MS don't make a new OS from scratch each time.


No it wont, not sure if people been paying attention. But Windows naming scheme continued the NT versioning scheme.
Windows 7 _had_ NT 7, named 6.1 for backwards compatibility.
And this continued.

Dot Matrix said,

Where did I say they represent average users? I didn't.

All right, let's see: MS, as well as any other company wit a similar business model, wants, needs and must pleased the largest number of existing and potential customers as possible. The opinion of a percentage of the people debating here is...... negligible and have zero impact on MS strategies.
In other words: we count as the two of cups when playing Briscola.

derekaw said,
@ dtourond 'So, because you don't like it, it's automatically somehow Vista. Comparing Windows 8 to Vista demonstrates a lack of understanding why Vista failed and what really made Windows 8 suffer'

You really think this is just about me? You read other sites and talk to people or do you live on another planet and are just visiting today?

Front page poll that is visible on the right bar:


My main Windows OS is:
Windows 8 or 8.1 - 5418 Votes
Windows 7 - 2500 Votes
Windows Vista - 70 Votes
Windows XP - 295 Votes
Other - 344 Votes

Show me 5418 Neowin members that are complaining about Windows 8. It's not even 70 (corresponding to the XP installs.) It's about 10-20 people that complain over and over and over and over... well, you get the point. Your point is pure hyperbole.

Eric said,

Front page poll that is visible on the right bar:


Show me 5418 Neowin members that are complaining about Windows 8. It's not even 70 (corresponding to the XP installs.) It's about 10-20 people that complain over and over and over and over... well, you get the point. Your point is pure hyperbole.

Its only 5-6 apologists here who still defend it over and over and over.

Oh and nice citing of the front page poll. I'm on that poll. I picked 8.1 because that's my main Windows OS. You seem to think the poll indicates that I love it.

Lord Method Man said,

Its only 5-6 apologists here who still defend it over and over and over.

Oh and nice citing of the front page poll. I'm on that poll. I picked 8.1 because that's my main Windows OS. You seem to think the poll indicates that I love it.

I detest being called an apologist. Also, if you'll note that there are multiple positive threads about Windows 8.1 on the boards.

Lord Method Man said,

Its only 5-6 apologists here who still defend it over and over and over.

Oh and nice citing of the front page poll. I'm on that poll. I picked 8.1 because that's my main Windows OS. You seem to think the poll indicates that I love it.

Uh, ok? First of all, that's not really an accurate count, and second, in inverse of what you said why does it have to be defended to be liked?

derekaw said,
Thats no good considering the horrible mess that is Windows 8. I expect MS will extend this date. They will have to, the people will demand it and these days MS seems to do what the vocal majority wanpts. Its not like the changes to Windows 8 will make it more usable, if anything the reported changes in Windows 8.1 Update 1 will make things worse. It's inevitable that the Windows 7 date will be extended.

Windows 8 is the new Vista and people are waiting for Windows 9.

the same vista that sold 480m copies?

Because if that is Co side red a failure you have no business sense.

Order_66 said,

^This.

of course u as a Windows hater will agree. However is 480M copies is a failure then you have no business sense whatsoever.

There is nothing wrong with Windows 8. The problem with Windows has always been the same with other products. The lame clueless users who hate change.

I have yet to see people complain about not needing a key to crank up a car and just pressing a button.

dtourond said,

So, because you don't like it, it's automatically somehow Vista. Comparing Windows 8 to Vista demonstrates a lack of understanding why Vista failed and what really made Windows 8 suffer.

40M sold copies is hardly a failure.

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,
40M sold copies is hardly a failure.

how many of those regret their purchase? How many of them were able to return the open software they purchased?
Everyone in my family whose computer has come with windows 8 has asked me to "fix" windows 8 b/c they absolutely could not stand it. I myself thought it was okay after 3rd party addons, but had major driver issues so went back to windows 7.

CJ33 said,

how many of those regret their purchase? How many of them were able to return the open software they purchased?
Everyone in my family whose computer has come with windows 8 has asked me to "fix" windows 8 b/c they absolutely could not stand it. I myself thought it was okay after 3rd party addons, but had major driver issues so went back to windows 7.

I keep seeing people say they've been asked to "fix" Windows 8 (whatever that means), but I have not seen this myself, leading me to believe posters aren't being as truthful as they could be.

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,

There is nothing wrong with Windows 8. The problem with Windows has always been the same with other products. The lame clueless users who hate change.


Which is always the main excuse of fanboys everywhere when they see the company they worship like a god being pummeled for its arrogant and backward thinking decisions as well as showing contempt toward their cash paying customers who have made them a success in the past.

Sinofsky - fired
Ballmer - fired
Embarrassingly low marketshare, OEM's adding windows 7 back as an option, classic shell/startisback, having your father ask you to come over and "fix" windows 8 for him etc etc etc...


Nope, there is nothing wrong with windows 8 <guffaw>

Order_66 said,

Which is always the main excuse of fanboys everywhere when they see the company they worship like a god being pummeled for its arrogant and backward thinking decisions as well as showing contempt toward their cash paying customers who have made them a success in the past.

Sinofsky - fired
Ballmer - fired
Embarrassingly low marketshare, OEM's adding windows 7 back as an option, classic shell/startisback, having your father ask you to come over and "fix" windows 8 for him etc etc etc...


Nope, there is nothing wrong with windows 8 <guffaw>

And, again, I ask for evidence Ballmer was fired. Because, again, someone who is fired wouldn't remain CEO for the next 8 months, as a search is performed for a new CEO.

Enough of the FUD.

Order_66 said,

Which is always the main excuse of fanboys everywhere when they see the company they worship like a god being pummeled for its arrogant and backward thinking decisions as well as showing contempt toward their cash paying customers who have made them a success in the past.

Sinofsky - fired
Ballmer - fired
Embarrassingly low marketshare, OEM's adding windows 7 back as an option, classic shell/startisback, having your father ask you to come over and "fix" windows 8 for him etc etc etc...


Nope, there is nothing wrong with windows 8 <guffaw>

Just because you don't like Microsoft, or don't like Windows 8, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it.

I don't miss the start button. The start screen works the one or 2 times I ever use it. Everything else is just Windows 7 with a new UI. SO!!!!!

The 2 thing everyone don't like the missing start button for example can be put back, the start screen can be disable so that you never see it. I only see mine when I intentionally bring it up which is rare.

I focus on the benefits. My laptop starts up in 7 secs or less. I am able t click and launch an app almost immediately once the icons appear on the desktop. I like the improvements in the file system, a few less clicks to get to some places. The search still needs serious work. I miss the Windows 7 search.

200M copies sold. I don't care if all the licenses are in peoples hands or not. I also don't expect Windows to be perfect. I also am not a fanboi fo Microsoft. I use Windows and I use OS X in a VM. I also on occasion use Linux.

I am platform agnostic. I like all of them for some reason. I never hated one platform, but Windows is still the best. Windows ME was terrible yet I learned how to make changes where it never crashed, never was slow and Windows Media Player used far less resources.

Vista was awesome in my opinion. The act the OEM's played dirty cost them which is why Windows 7 was a success. After all, Windows cant be a success without the OEMs.
Funny how Lenovo did go with Windows 8. why? They actually made good products to go with it. SO did Asus and Dell and they did pretty good. The others? Well hey didn't play nice so thus they burned themselves. That si why MS made the Surface. They knew the OEMs would screw up the dream of a single form factor device running a full version of Windows and Office.

Your continued hate of everything Microsoft as if they can do no right is openly insulting, and its downright a shame you choose to purposely be oblivious to facts.