Samsung slams the iPhone 5 with "it doesn't take a genius" ads

According to Samsung's latest set of print ads, "it doesn't take a genius" to realize that the Galaxy S III is better than the iPhone 5. They claim "the next big thing is already here", slamming the iPhone 5 as not being up to the same standard as the Galaxy S III.

Some of the claims in the ad are pretty dodgy, such as how apparently consumers really care that the Galaxy S III has "Palm Touch Mute Pause" and "Tilt to Zoom" which the iPhone 5 does not. But then again, we can't deny the Galaxy S III has an edge with the 4.8-inch HD Super AMOLED display, or of course the standard microUSB plug; it's the little things that make all the difference.

Samsung really aren't friends with Apple anymore, are they? We can't blame them either: a $1 billion fine is more than enough to get someone's knickers in a twist.

Source: CNET

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While I was no huge fan of Steve Jobs he really was a genius at marketing and innovation and he is what drove the company. The iPhone 5 looks pretty disappointing, I think it is one more sign that the company is already beginning their decline. What do they really have now, if they get beat in mobile devices.

I need to switch from my old iPhone 4S to one of these samsung so I can keep it hidden in my bathroom for 800 hours standby.

what a must have feature!

Pink Floyd said,
I need to switch from my old iPhone 4S to one of these samsung so I can keep it hidden in my bathroom for 800 hours standby.

what a must have feature!


That could save your life in a zombie attack!!

In the interest of balance and neutrality, I've created the final version of this table to show how pointless this fanboy war really is.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/a...attleoftheSmartphones__.jpg

I tried to find more features for the iPhone, so I found they came out roughly equal. I also added metric conversions to the measurements, and removed all mentions of 'HD' from both. I took away minor features like 'tilt to zoom' from the Galaxy, because I'm sure the iPhone has plenty of those too. I also included the most important (to some people) feature. And yes, you can play Angry Birds on both. Feel free to share this around the internet.

This is clearly about what people care about and what people don't care about, popular kid vs the nerdy kid.

Popular kid doesn't have a long feature set, but is incredibly skilled in the things that girls care about.

Nerdy kid has a LONG feature set, but isn't good at the one thing girls want.

Wyn Hou said,

Nerdy kid has a LONG feature set, but isn't good at the one thing girls want.

And if you were a female, would YOU say no to Mark Zuckerberg?

How come the ad doesn't talk about the OS updates? For the iPhone 3(this year for the 3GS 4) Major OS updates is guaranteed and it will be released along side the official release. For the Galaxy S 3 well...only the Galaxy Nexus will get the updates alongside the official release.

Specs-wise the Galaxy S3 kicks-iPhones ass but at the same time it isn't everything about the specs the OS matters as well.

cyrl said,
How come the ad doesn't talk about the OS updates? For the iPhone 3(this year for the 3GS 4) Major OS updates is guaranteed and it will be released along side the official release. For the Galaxy S 3 well...only the Galaxy Nexus will get the updates alongside the official release.

Specs-wise the Galaxy S3 kicks-iPhones ass but at the same time it isn't everything about the specs the OS matters as well.

You can have a Lamborghini with a motor from a Station Wagon too, or vice versa. If you don't have the required components to utilize the hardware or software then it doesn't matter overall.

Android is Open Source. It's updated, revised, and enhanced everyday. iOS, well that's all you get, what Apple gives you, when it wants to give it to you. Personally, when I buy something, I like to make it own...since...um I own it.

If you were able to put iOS in a modern day phone with updated hardware (despite the fact that it wouldn't run because won't allow it, and for good reason, it would be put to shame) You'd see an entirely new operating system. The things you can do to fix and improve iOS would be wonderful.

But sadly, the underdeveloped iOS is trapped in a 8 year old little girls body, and that's about as close to a compliment as iOS and Apple will ever deserve.

Edited by VoX, Sep 16 2012, 6:29pm :

VoX said,

You can have a Lamborghini with a motor from a Station Wagon too, or vice versa. If you don't have the required components to utilize the hardware or software then it doesn't matter overall.

Android is Open Source. It's updated, revised, and enhanced everyday. iOS, well that's all you get, what Apple gives you, when it wants to give it to you. Personally, when I buy something, I like to make it own...since...um I own it.

If you were able to put iOS in a modern day phone with updated hardware (despite the fact that it wouldn't run because won't allow it, and for good reason, it would be put to shame) You'd see an entirely new operating system. The things you can do to fix and improve iOS would be wonderful.

But sadly, the underdeveloped iOS is trapped in a 8 year old little girls body, and that's about as close to a compliment as iOS and Apple will ever deserve.

iPhone is a luxury Bentley it has class, style.
S3 is a small kitted out hot hatch that just goes very fast.

IMHO.

VoX said,

You can have a Lamborghini with a motor from a Station Wagon too, or vice versa. If you don't have the required components to utilize the hardware or software then it doesn't matter overall.

Android is Open Source. It's updated, revised, and enhanced everyday. iOS, well that's all you get, what Apple gives you, when it wants to give it to you. Personally, when I buy something, I like to make it own...since...um I own it.

If you were able to put iOS in a modern day phone with updated hardware (despite the fact that it wouldn't run because won't allow it, and for good reason, it would be put to shame) You'd see an entirely new operating system. The things you can do to fix and improve iOS would be wonderful.

But sadly, the underdeveloped iOS is trapped in a 8 year old little girls body, and that's about as close to a compliment as iOS and Apple will ever deserve.


Well we aren't talking about Andorid specifically we are talking about Android on Galaxy S3. Its a whole different story. Even though Android is open source and updated daily it will take some time for the Galaxy S3 to get it. Apparently there isn't a fixed schedule even. I believe the latest version of Android is Jelly Bean. If the OS of the Galaxy S3 is updated, revised and enhanced everyday how it doesn't have the latest version of Andorid yet? (I am not talking about flashing and etc.. if flashing is considered Jailbreaking the iPhone is as well).

I've completely owned all the above comments that are anti Samsung and pro-apple above and slapped the Nokia kid around a bit, nice idea, but the phone will never actually be released on a US carrier. it's a myth, you watch.

Love it or hate it, every one has something to say about iPhone, WHY ?

All this reminds me of WindowsXP era, everyone hate it when it was launched, but it was biggest success of all times, we all are having very very high expectations from apple iphone, but surely it is noway less to sgs3, great product but everyone who is not happy actually want more from phones specially having a magnitude of iPhone, apple can't put every nut and bolt available in market to show it is better than cheated and copycat SGS3. Great products don't experiment with its success formula and it should built upon what it already have, and i am pretty sure iphone was able to do that with latest offering.

Thanks to TOM for correction and shows real picture:

http://i.imgur.com/DfSAN.jpg

Edited by balwinder79, Sep 16 2012, 1:25pm :

What a stupid advertisement on Samsungs part. In addition to promoting their phone they are also advertising the iPhone 5. The image alone shows the superior phone.

What do specs matter when the software is not optimised for the hardware? anyone with a SGS3 and NOT in denial will admit it's laggy...

They miss out selling points of the iPhone5 and proceed to list pointless bells & whistles, yes this phone is superior in features but it's still a plastic POS.

Apple, now that you have got the $1 billion in your kitty I hope you will do a decent job with iPhone 6.
RIP iPhone 5!

I have to say that I prefer using my iPhone 4S to my dad's Galaxy S III. And I know full well that the latter is technically a better phone. Maybe I'd feel differently if the S III had a slightly smaller screen size and if I was more used to Android (previous device I had was Android but it was much less powerful and ran Android 2.1 before Android started getting really good so it was never going to be a fair fight against the iPhone, compared to a modern Android device).

FalseAgent said,
This is even worse than Nokia's fraudulent ads.

Why? Nokia's ads were false.
I see nothing false about this ad.

wotsit said,
I want a phone screen not a phone/tablet hybrid screen! Galaxy S3 is stupidly huge!

So don't buy one so stupidly huge? There are a lot of options in the market...

This is the first iPhone that uses cornings gorilla glass 2 for the screen I think cus they didn't want pay the premium for it at first and thought they can do better but FAILED. Of course I think they've named it someat different but it is there glass they use for the screen now. Bloody idiots!!

psionicinversion said,
This is the first iPhone that uses cornings gorilla glass 2 for the screen I think cus they didn't want pay the premium for it at first and thought they can do better but FAILED. Of course I think they've named it someat different but it is there glass they use for the screen now. Bloody idiots!!

Gorilla glass wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't convinced Corning to restart a project from the 60s:


In 2006, while developing the first iPhone, Apple discovered that keys placed in a pocket with the prototype could scratch its hard plastic surface - and resolved to find a glass sufficiently scratch-resistant to eliminate the problem.[6][7] When Steve Jobs subsequently contacted Wendell Weeks, the CEO of Corning told him of the material the company had developed in the 1960s and subsequently mothballed.
Despite the CEO's initial concern that the company could manufacture sufficient quantities for the product debut, Jobs convinced Weeks to produce the glass and Corning's factory in Harrodsburg, Kentucky supplied the screens for the product's release in June 2007.[5]

I love to read all the stuff people choose to come up with that are cons for the iPhone, for one; durability. I purchase a phone to talk, text, listen to music, surf the web ect, not to drop it on the ground. Apple recognizes that phones are not used for dropping on the ground and that's why they opt for aesthetics over durability. Do any of you purchase your smart phones to drop on the ground?

2) screen size - this is really a personal preference type of deal but I can't help but notice that in my pants, there are pockets inside of my pockets. Oddly enough, those pockets are the perfect size for an iPhone, not a mini television. Just like anything else, there is indeed such a thing as too big.

3) iPhone releases 1 phone per year. Android releases a phone every week (yes that's sarcasm but it's quite often). That 1 phone each year sets the standard for the smart phone market for that year.

4) I did have Android and switched to iPhone 4 when I had an opportunity and it's really the consumer experience with the phone that shines with IOS. It's amazing. For me, I'm not really disappointed that Apple hasn't changed much since the 4 as far as design because why change something that was almost perfect and what is now perfected with the 5. Honestly, how would you change the design?

Also, inb4 Apple Fanboy
inb4 fanboy in denial

I'm not one of those people who just are one way and that's the only way. I am however realistic. Yes I was disappointed when I seen the improvements that the 5 had to offer over the 4s. I have been so used to being mind blown by Apple's products but the 4s and 5 have not really done that for me, although they are still great products. Now when I look at other smart phones such as the sIII, it is the same. I'm not mind blown by any of the features. Screen size has gone too far, the design doesn't pop at all, blah blah blah. That's why I'll stick with the IOS experience and the sleek look of the Apple product to please my eyes.

Yeah it's a good ad, but some of the things they've listed there make Samsung a laughing stock.

Shake to update
Tilt to zoom

Are these REALLY selling points for the device? I don't think so.

IPhone fans have already started making their own images with a list of iPhone pros and I have to say their lists are more compelling than simple gestures.

I'd rather Samsung list the actual things that make their phone the best in the world rather than gimmicky gestures.

found this on macrumors:

Maybe they should add a line:

Apple: Not found by a court to be infringing design patents.
Samsung: Found by a court to be infringing design patents.

funny and true

saxondale. said,
found this on macrumors:

Maybe they should add a line:

Apple: Not found by a court to be infringing design patents.
Samsung: Found by a court to be infringing design patents.

funny and true

I'm sure you're aware that you can purchase a BBB rating for you company too right? You don't have to actually provide A+ service at your business, just pay for it.

Every single member of that court room used an iPhone, they searched for those people. Apple paid them all handsomely for it too.

Samsung fought fair. Apple hasn't actually invented ANYTHING, only borrowed or stolen. The patent in question special guy is a rectangle.

Apple is so insecure about it's inadequecies, they can longer create or invent, they sue.

However, HTC has a case, and this won't be pretty when your LTE no longer functions. Who's got the proper documentation for it I wonder? it's not Apple.

I support the Taliban in their quest to destroy the Apple HQ personally, if only they didn't use iPhones as well , but it's no surprise.

Apple gets the last laugh though, Samsung have to remove/modify features from the S3 (thanks for Apple's win in the courts) and *if* Apple's next case against Sammy is victorious, the S3 will be banned from sale. They really are not in a good position to gloat. Perhaps they should stop copying and learn some humility for a change? I'm hardly an Apple fanboi either (proud Galaxy Nexus owner) but not blinded from my platform of choice to not see the writing on the wall. That is my take, take with grain of salt.

Comparative advertising, complete with lies (standby and talk time don't match the specs on Samsung's own website) and random feature names making up half the list (NFC is the only real feature -if you live in a country where it's widespread).
The "totally different plug"/"micro USB plug" bit was cute, but that's something only Android bots care about. Most people use the cables that come with the box and forget about it.

At least with Android, you have a CHOICE in the type of device. 4", 4.5", 4.8", 5.0", 5.3"
With iPhone, you get ONE size, ONE design, ONE way...THEIR way. If you want to be like
everyone else, hey, it's your money. I for one hope Apple doesn't go away. If it wasn't for
the iPhone, would we still be clamoring for another Razr flip phone? Now, with that being
said, INNOVATION, not lawsuits should be the norm. If Apple wants to sit back and sue everyone and not lead the field in INNOVATION, they will go the way of Nokia, Sony Ericsson, IBM, Xerox and countless other companies that just sit back and let the rest of the world pass them by.

naap51stang said,
If you want to be like everyone else, hey, it's your money.

With Android having 65-70% market share of the smartphone market, I'd argue that your best chance at being "like everyone else" is to buy the product with the highest market share, i.e. an Android phone.

a0me said,

With Android having 65-70% market share of the smartphone market, I'd argue that your best chance at being "like everyone else" is to buy the product with the highest market share, i.e. an Android phone.

I'd like to remind you that Android releases a new phone every week (yes that's sarcasm but it's quite often) while Apple releases a phone once a year. I don't see how Android wouldn't have that much market share. Although, that one phone that comes out once a year, sets the standards for the smart phone market for that year.

drewlol said,

I'd like to remind you that Android releases a new phone every week (yes that's sarcasm but it's quite often) while Apple releases a phone once a year. I don't see how Android wouldn't have that much market share. Although, that one phone that comes out once a year, sets the standards for the smart phone market for that year.


Actually, "Android" doesn't release any phones at all. Android is an O/S.
Companies release phones. It's called marketing. And I don't see Samsung releasing a phone every week. Sarcasm or not.

Raa said,

Actually, "Android" doesn't release any phones at all. Android is an O/S.
Companies release phones. It's called marketing. And I don't see Samsung releasing a phone every week. Sarcasm or not.

Sorry, you are right and what I had in mind when I typed that was that an Android phone is released every week; that was the sarcasm. Yes I know Android is not a phone company but the OS. When I speak about Android, I tend to generalize all Android phones together because they use the same OS. Sorry If my original post was too difficult for you to decipher.

drewlol said,

Sorry, you are right and what I had in mind when I typed that was that an Android phone is released every week; that was the sarcasm. Yes I know Android is not a phone company but the OS. When I speak about Android, I tend to generalize all Android phones together because they use the same OS. Sorry If my original post was too difficult for you to decipher.


I perfectly deciphered your post. However to claim that "a single phone sets the standard for the smart phone market" that year is quite frankly, misleading at best.

It's best to try and avoid generalisations especially when it comes to the smart phone market.

Guys, stop criticizing other peoples opinions, stop being aggressive.

Seriously, anyone can buy any smartphone out there, its not like iPhone(for example) is for the 'Superior Race' or anything or that Android is only for people who like unsecure, unstable device for geek or that Windows Phone is for dumb peoples(i am a dev, a tech lovers, geek and WP is my primary OS).

Peoples have CHOICES and that alone is awesome by itself.

Stay open-minded, seriously.

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Twitter: @JPSavard

Hmm, comparing my iPhone to my friends Galaxy, I just still find the iPhone's screen clearer on the eyes. I admit that the Galaxy might have more features and what not, but the screen just doesn't quite seem as sharp/clear.

Not a fanboi at all either... Just personal opinion.

OTAU said,
Hmm, comparing my iPhone to my friends Galaxy, I just still find the iPhone's screen clearer on the eyes. I admit that the Galaxy might have more features and what not, but the screen just doesn't quite seem as sharp/clear.

Not a fanboi at all either... Just personal opinion.


OTAU said,
Hmm, comparing my iPhone to my friends Galaxy, I just still find the iPhone's screen clearer on the eyes. I admit that the Galaxy might have more features and what not, but the screen just doesn't quite seem as sharp/clear.

Not a fanboi at all either... Just personal opinion.

no u are correct the iPhone s green is more clear and sharper. However higher pixel densities look better on larger screens
Exams, 1920x1080 looks better on 55' vs 27". But the iPhone screen is only better by a little. The iPhone PPI is 326 while the gs3 is 306. But ghats pretty high for a screen that is 4.8" vs only 4". And backlit LCDs wash out in any direct light, AMOLED ones don't. Also sin e the black is really black, bright colors look so much better as there is no white light to fade them out. If u look even at the IPS xisplay, white over saturated colors and makes colors like blue and green look bad. Text of course does look more sharp, down side is the text is so small u can't tell if its bad anyways.

No matter how fast the iPhone is, Android browser still loads pavmges faster and I get to choose default apps which you can't. I also get to change my UK, beyond just wallpaper, even making it look exactly like other android devices or even iPhone if I wanted too. No jailbrwakinv or rooting needed

i agree that iphone 5 is dissapointing
now i hope windows phone advertisements will be like this, sort of like to get bak at apple for those i'm a mac commercials

virtorio said,
Advertising is more effective when it sells the product on it's own, without having to mention another product.

virtorio said,
Advertising is more effective when it sells the product on it's own, without having to mention another product.

And you can provide some verified research to back this claim up?

Personally, I find advertising that shows comparisons more worthy of my time.

Windows phone 8 is innovative and great enough to sell itself. I know samsung atv s and lumias 920 will sell well.

Raa said,

And you can provide some verified research to back this claim up?

Personally, I find advertising that shows comparisons more worthy of my time.

I don't bookmark every article I read on the Internet, so I can't provide you any "verified research".

lamebo said,
Windows phone 8 is innovative and great enough to sell itself. I know samsung atv s and lumias 920 will sell well.

Can I borrow your crystal ball?

virtorio said,
I don't bookmark every article I read on the Internet, so I can't provide you any "verified research".

Therefore you cannot make such claims, and expect anyone to believe you.

Raa said,

Therefore you cannot make such claims, and expect anyone to believe you.
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to provide full references for everything I say on this public forum.

virtorio said,
Advertising is more effective when it sells the product on it's own, without having to mention another product.

Well... you see a lot of "those other guys" in advertising. I don't know stats on what is more effective but it's very common to say you're product is better than a leading brand.

virtorio said,
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to provide full references for everything I say on this public forum.

We're nerds. We like references.

Well... you see a lot of "those other guys" in advertising.

Yes you do. And how many of those advertising campaigns are remembered? Very few. The ones the work are the ones that make you want and remember the product, not the ones that spend time talking about a competitors product.

laserfloyd said,

We're nerds. We like references.

Well I have good news. With the power of Google you can find the information yourself. It's out there, I've read quite a lot of it, I just didn't save it and I have no intention of looking again.

virtorio said,
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to provide full references for everything I say on this public forum.

If you're going to make broad remarks without proving any evidence, be prepared to be called out on it.

Raa said,

If you're going to make broad remarks without proving any evidence, be prepared to be called out on it.
It's actually not broad remarks, it's Marketing 101. I just don't happen to have a database of references at my disposal. But hey, if you want to feel victorious in the waste of time that's been this conversation then by all means, it's yours.

virtorio said,
It's actually not broad remarks, it's Marketing 101. I just don't happen to have a database of references at my disposal. But hey, if you want to feel victorious in the waste of time that's been this conversation then by all means, it's yours.

I think we'll have to leave it as a draw. Obviously what suits one, does not necessarily suit another.
In this case, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer a different style of marketing than you do. Fair enough.

Raa said,

I think we'll have to leave it as a draw. Obviously what suits one, does not necessarily suit another.
In this case, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer a different style of marketing than you do. Fair enough.
A draw sounds good.

i was just on my mothers android mobile and yet again it reminded me i just do not like it. too much stuff and full of crap that comes with most android mobiles. i will stick to my iPhone and will upgrade to the new iPhone 5 when my upgrade time comes up with Verizon.

belto said,
i was just on my mothers android mobile and yet again it reminded me i just do not like it. too much stuff and full of crap that comes with most android mobiles. i will stick to my iPhone and will upgrade to the new iPhone 5 when my upgrade time comes up with Verizon.

Apple thanks you for your patronage.

belto said,
i was just on my mothers android mobile and yet again it reminded me i just do not like it. too much stuff and full of crap that comes with most android mobiles. i will stick to my iPhone and will upgrade to the new iPhone 5 when my upgrade time comes up with Verizon.

Don't blame Android for that, blame the carrier.

belto said,
i was just on my mothers android mobile and yet again it reminded me i just do not like it. too much stuff and full of crap that comes with most android mobiles. i will stick to my iPhone and will upgrade to the new iPhone 5 when my upgrade time comes up with Verizon.

I'm a Verizon customer and I understand your frustration with Verizon Android phones, Honestly Verizon is the worst at bloatware which is exactly why I chose windows phone, at least in it's current version, a carrier cannot force an application on you. ALL applications are able to be uninstalled. I commend you for your brand-patriotism but I just personally don't want to bbe on the iBandwagon. I personally prefer Microsoft over apple any day. Especially with their current rebirth. With Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and the next software update for XBox360, personally I think Microsoft is creating one of their most cohesive product experiences since the companies inception.

Only 2% of merchants globally are equipped with NFC reader terminals. VHS Players still account for 7% of the Video Media Market, Compared to NFC, Apple should make a Apple Branded VHS Player.

stevan said,
Only 2% of merchants globally are equipped with NFC reader terminals. VHS Players still account for 7% of the Video Media Market, Compared to NFC, Apple should make a Apple Branded VHS Player.

I've seen them in several coffee shops. I also heard some of the fast food chains implementing them recently. VHS is loosing marketshare whereas NFC is gaining it. Under your logic, no technology would ever service because nobody bothers to equip it.

Apple know what they're doing - their holding it off until the next one as a major feature. They have got their customers right where they want them.

ShMaunder said,

I've seen them in several coffee shops. I also heard some of the fast food chains implementing them recently. VHS is loosing marketshare whereas NFC is gaining it. Under your logic, no technology would ever service because nobody bothers to equip it.

Apple know what they're doing - their holding it off until the next one as a major feature. They have got their customers right where they want them.

I have seen them as well, but the 2% number backs up my point. It's all about First-mover and Second-mover advantage. This time Apple is choosing to be a Second-mover as both offer their advantages and disadvantages.

VHS comment was more about sarcasm.

stevan said,
Only 2% of merchants globally are equipped with NFC reader terminals. VHS Players still account for 7% of the Video Media Market, Compared to NFC, Apple should make a Apple Branded VHS Player.

Out of curiosity do you have a source for the VHS marketshare?

tanjiajun_34 said,

Free OS updates with features dropped to promote newer Apple products....

Which is still better than no OS updates!

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Samsung is becoming more and more desperate. After NFC every other SIII feature is useless (Maybe, except Removable Battery)

Comparing raw specifications in case of embedded devices is useless, just grab a current Windows Phone to see that it doesn't take 2GB of RAM or 4 cores to provide a smooth experience.

Samsung claim about stand-by is baseless, A 2100mAh battery can't offer 790 hours, even RAZR MAXX with 3300mAh battery and lower specs claims stand-by time of 607 hours.

I have Samsung Omnia W with 1500mAh battery, single core processor, 512MB RAM with 3.7inch display; Samsung claims stand-by time of 370 hours, even with no use phone can't last more than 37 hours on battery saver mode.

Also, it's unfair to compare Screen Sizes, screen sizes are more personal choice than a specification to brag about.

It's sad that Samsung had to use 2GB RAM for a phone

GauravAgr said,
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Samsung is becoming more and more desperate. After NFC every other SIII feature is useless (Maybe, except Removable Battery)

Comparing raw specifications in case of embedded devices is useless, just grab a current Windows Phone to see that it doesn't take 2GB of RAM or 4 cores to provide a smooth experience.

Samsung claim about stand-by is baseless, A 2100mAh battery can't offer 790 hours, even RAZR MAXX with 3300mAh battery and lower specs claims stand-by time of 607 hours.

I have Samsung Omnia W with 1500mAh battery, single core processor, 512MB RAM with 3.7inch display; Samsung claims stand-by time of 370 hours, even with no use phone can't last more than 37 hours on battery saver mode.

Also, it's unfair to compare Screen Sizes, screen sizes are more personal choice than a specification to brag about.

It's sad that Samsung had to use 2GB RAM for a phone

desperate? They could join WP8 anytime as well. Imagine they put the WP8 into a SGS3 international LTE phone? With the cpu, gpu, battery and screen size, I doubt anyone will care about Lumia 920. Actually its Android's problem not Samsung's problem for the high usage of ram. Well Samsung still kind of fk the project butter up for me if not its super smooth on Android Jelly Bean.

Apple did a good thing to not include NFC just yet. Let's not forget that you can hack Android handsets using NFC. (I currently own a Windows Phone, so don't go calling me an iFanboy or whatever the term is)

Zeet said,
Apple did a good thing to not include NFC just yet. Let's not forget that you can hack Android handsets using NFC. (I currently own a Windows Phone, so don't go calling me an iFanboy or whatever the term is)

Don't expect too many people on Neowin to understand the difference between First-mover and Second-mover advantage.

'Standby life: 790 hours'
Can someone confirm this or not? I know the SIII is a bit ahead of the SI but the person I know that has an SI has a battery life of less than 20 hours with screen on minimum brightness and if it's bearly used.
To suddenly go from under a day to almost 5 weeks really does reek of bull**** to me.

n_K said,
'Standby life: 790 hours'
Can someone confirm this or not? I know the SIII is a bit ahead of the SI but the person I know that has an SI has a battery life of less than 20 hours with screen on minimum brightness and if it's bearly used.
To suddenly go from under a day to almost 5 weeks really does reek of bull**** to me.
Standby time I thought it means your battery is in sleep. Like locked and screen is off. What does it have to do with screen brightness?

tanjiajun_34 said,
Standby time I thought it means your battery is in sleep. Like locked and screen is off. What does it have to do with screen brightness?

Standby time means deep sleep, i.e. when your phone is asleep and pretty much doing NOTHING. No wakelocks, no nothing, just deep sleep.

I think realistically the only way you could achieve this is to put your phone in aeroplane mode and uninstall all third party apps.

Raa said,

How can an OS that isn't released yet "win"?

That's a good question. I'll put it to you this way: iOS6 copies a ****-ton of features from both android and Windows Phone. iOS6 has ****ty apps that are based off of Objective C, a 19yo programming language. Android uses the latest java and Windows Phone uses Visual Basic, Silverlight(C#/XML), and Native code languages. Windows Phone 8 may not be released, but let me just say that in all honesty, iOS has been OUTDATED since iOS4. Android fails at updates, and Windows Phone fails at...well the number of applications in their Marketplace/store. When I do research, I realize one thing, Microsoft is one of only two innovative software companies left. Apple lost their innovation with the death of Steve Jobs (May he rest in peace). So please, decide for yourself. Do some research, then decide.

i sell phone i and i was expecting lots of people to come in and order the Ip5 ... i had 3 in an 10 hour shift ... most iphone 4 4s users are saying its not really work the upgrade .

I had droids before I got my iPhone. I remember when I first got the droid X. I got it almost instantly when it came out. No updates until almost a year year later for gingerbread. Last supported update. ONE. Too many droids that are not supported after they come out.

Dane said,
I had droids before I got my iPhone. I remember when I first got the droid X. I got it almost instantly when it came out. No updates until almost a year year later for gingerbread. Last supported update. ONE. Too many droids that are not supported after they come out.

Wouldn't that tell you to buy another brand of Android phone then?

That, or the beauty of Android : You can use a custom rom.

Raa said,

Wouldn't that tell you to buy another brand of Android phone then?

That, or the beauty of Android : You can use a custom rom.

Beauty is having to root and install a custom OS (potentially messing up and bricking the device) to get your premium priced phone to get updates and behave like you want it to?

virtorio said,
Beauty is having to root and install a custom OS (potentially messing up and bricking the device) to get your premium priced phone to get updates and behave like you want it to?

This is a tech site not a soccer mom site, if you can't root a phone without breaking it the soccer mom forums are that way

virtorio said,
Beauty is having to root and install a custom OS (potentially messing up and bricking the device) to get your premium priced phone to get updates and behave like you want it to?

Considering I can make my phone behave the way I want it to out of the box without hacks, and people using an iPhone jailbreak the first chance they get... I'd say your arguement is invalid.
I'll continue to claim that when people can load custom roms just as easy as friends updating their iPhone versions. Let's not mention the fact that can also brick an iPhone shall we?

I never mentioned the iPhone, but seeing as you did, I don't know a single person who's jailbroken their iPhone for quite a long time. And if an iPhone update manages to brick the phone it's covered by warranty.

While people on here are more than capable of install custom ROMs, that's out of scope for most people, so that's why it's important for vendors to provide continued support for not f**k up the OS by installing their own lousy customisations. It's much better than it used to be, but in the past it's been pretty bad from every brand except for the Nexus.

virtorio said,
I never mentioned the iPhone, but seeing as you did, I don't know a single person who's jailbroken their iPhone for quite a long time. And if an iPhone update manages to brick the phone it's covered by warranty.

While people on here are more than capable of install custom ROMs, that's out of scope for most people, so that's why it's important for vendors to provide continued support for not f**k up the OS by installing their own lousy customisations. It's much better than it used to be, but in the past it's been pretty bad from every brand except for the Nexus.


Clearly we know a different group of people. A large percentage of iPhone owners that I know have jailbroken their phones. By that token that automatically voids their warranty as well.

Agreed, while it's out of the scope for most, they get a phone, they use it. I don't hear the "typical" Android owner rooting or custom rom'ing their phone. I don't hear them complaining that much either, tbh.

No disagreement that "3rd party bloat" is bad for the end user, everyone suffers from that.

I think S3 will get demolished by the Iphone 5. The first benchmarks put the iphone 5 way ahead of S3. It so funny that samsung has to defend itself.

Melfster said,
I think S3 will get demolished by the Iphone 5. The first benchmarks put the iphone 5 way ahead of S3. It so funny that samsung has to defend itself.

Of course S3 will get demolished by the iPhone 5. But somehow, fandroids will find a way to spin this in Samsungs favor.

Melfster said,
I think S3 will get demolished by the Iphone 5. The first benchmarks put the iphone 5 way ahead of S3. It so funny that samsung has to defend itself.

Yes, because I totally want to make calls that much faster... Oh wait.

Melfster said,
I think S3 will get demolished by the Iphone 5. The first benchmarks put the iphone 5 way ahead of S3. It so funny that samsung has to defend itself.

Samsung doesnt have to defend itself. Its called Marketing. Apple has been known to produce the same kind of ads. Are they defending themselves?

Raa said,

Yes, because I totally want to make calls that much faster... Oh wait.
But you might want to do the other things you can do with a smartphone faster. If not, you don't need a smartphone.

stevan said,

Of course S3 will get demolished by the iPhone 5. But somehow, fandroids will find a way to spin this in Samsungs favor.

what good is having the fastest phone if u can't do anything with it? FZt CPU yet can't muktitask? Fastest GPU yet the games are all Angry Birds? Best screen yet doesn't support 720p? Best antenna design yet can't talk and do data at the same time?

TechieXP said,
what good is having the fastest phone if u can't do anything with it? FZt CPU yet can't muktitask? Fastest GPU yet the games are all Angry Birds? Best screen yet doesn't support 720p? Best antenna design yet can't talk and do data at the same time?

My point exactly.

TechieXP said,
Best antenna design yet can't talk and do data at the same time?

This is a limitation of CDMA. LTE has no such restriction, but that's only when a cellphone carrier properly implements LTE (in which ALL communication is data, even voice). Currently, no carrier in the US (especially not Verizon) implements LTE properly/fully. In other countries, voice+data at the same time will work.

Melfster said,
I think S3 will get demolished by the Iphone 5. The first benchmarks put the iphone 5 way ahead of S3. It so funny that samsung has to defend itself.

S3 will get demolished by the iPhone 5.. no contest. If you want an iPhone you've got six to choose from. If you want an Android phone you've got hundreds to choose from, including some really cheap ones.

Then people wonder why individual iPhones sell better than individual Androids... it's a no brainer.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Then people wonder why individual iPhones sell better than individual Androids...

Actually, the statistics show that Androids are being sold more than iPhones are.

Raa said,

Actually, the statistics show that Androids are being sold more than iPhones are.

If you're talking about the S3 outselling the 4S, that was only because a new iPhone was about to be released. Let's be realistic

Hardcore Til I Die said,

If you're talking about the S3 outselling the 4S, that was only because a new iPhone was about to be released. Let's be realistic


I'm being very realistic. Android has been outselling iPhone for most of this year, if not longer.

Rosyna said,

This is a limitation of CDMA. LTE has no such restriction, but that's only when a cellphone carrier properly implements LTE (in which ALL communication is data, even voice). Currently, no carrier in the US (especially not Verizon) implements LTE properly/fully. In other countries, voice+data at the same time will work.

Hush,...you don't know what u are talking about. Once upon a time that may have been true.

Fact - When Apple was talking bout how the iPhone 4 could talk and do data on ATT and not on VZW, Verizon patched their 3G network so that phones could do so. You simply needed a newer device. My old Droid Incredible which is a 3G phone could do both after the patch was applied. Even tho older CDMA models counted support the feature, any of the device release as of 2009 could do so. All Verzion LTE phones support this capability natively.

The reason the iPhone can't is because Apple reception quality on the iPhone is so bad, it requires 2 antennas just to hold 1 single call. Apple claimed they didnt add a 3rd antenna because making the phone thin was more important than having function. AS PER USUAL APPLE DRIVEL. A 3rd antenna would have allowed the iPhone ANY model to support this feature.

Today newer Verizon phones only use CDMA as a backup, this has nothing to do with LTE. LTE is not CDMA.

Raa said,

I'm being very realistic. Android has been outselling iPhone for most of this year, if not longer.

"Then people wonder why individual iPhones sell better than individual Androids..."

Reading comprehension fail?

Android as a whole is outselling iOS as a whole. I was talking about INDIVIDUAL Android phones vs. INDIVIDUAL iPhones. The iPhone 4S has been the most popular smartphone in the world since its' launch, until last month when it was beaten by the S3.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Reading comprehension fail?

None whatsoever. Android as a whole is massively outselling iOS, and Samsung is selling a single device more than Apple is. The figures are in black and white. And if I remember correctly, it has been this way for more than just last month.

Raa said,

None whatsoever. Android as a whole is massively outselling iOS, and Samsung is selling a single device more than Apple is. The figures are in black and white. And if I remember correctly, it has been this way for more than just last month.

I only read that the Galaxy S3 beat the iPhone 4S last month.

I know that Android as a whole is more popular than iOS and Samsung as a whole is the most popular smartphone maker.

From reading a lot of comments around the web it's very clear that both apple fans and none fans are disappointed from iPhone 5.

New iPhone's used to bring the next big thing, new technology, new ideas and more. Now apple just play catch up with the rest of the world and like already said it's just disappointing.

Because Apple has such a big fan base they will keep selling those phones like crazy. Those fans dont care if it brings something new or not, they just wan the newest thing apple have released BUT, and this is a big BUT for Apple, if the next iPhone release will again play catch up with the rest of the players in the market, i believe that this will be the beginning of the end of iPhone.
iPhone 5 is the second release in a raw that basically brings nothing new, a third release without anything really revolutionary wont be good.

V-Tech said,
From reading a lot of comments around the web it's very clear that both apple fans and none fans are disappointed from iPhone 5.

New iPhone's used to bring the next big thing, new technology, new ideas and more. Now apple just play catch up with the rest of the world and like already said it's just disappointing.

Because Apple has such a big fan base they will keep selling those phones like crazy. Those fans dont care if it brings something new or not, they just wan the newest thing apple have released BUT, and this is a big BUT for Apple, if the next iPhone release will again play catch up with the rest of the players in the market, i believe that this will be the beginning of the end of iPhone.
iPhone 5 is the second release in a raw that basically brings nothing new, a third release without anything really revolutionary wont be good.

But, if 4S was basically the same as the 4 and yet it outsold it, and then 5 is basically the same as 4S and WILL outsell it, how can it be the begging of the end for the iPhone?

If a product you release keeps outselling the previous product, doesn't that mean a good thing?

I'm just glad I can be a part of a website where some users are smarter than the largest company on Earth.

stevan said,

But, if 4S was basically the same as the 4 and yet it outsold it, and then 5 is basically the same as 4S and WILL outsell it, how can it be the begging of the end for the iPhone?

If a product you release keeps outselling the previous product, doesn't that mean a good thing?

I'm just glad I can be a part of a website where some users are smarter than the largest company on Earth.


stevan said,

But, if 4S was basically the same as the 4 and yet it outsold it, and then 5 is basically the same as 4S and WILL outsell it, how can it be the begging of the end for the iPhone?

If a product you release keeps outselling the previous product, doesn't that mean a good thing?

I'm just glad I can be a part of a website where some users are smarter than the largest company on Earth.

Nokia used to be like that. Dominated the market for years and then suddenly they were nobody again because they got left behind. They're only just getting back on track now and there's no guarantee they'll ever get anywhere near as big again.

It'll happen to Apple too.

technikal said,

Nokia used to be like that. Dominated the market for years and then suddenly they were nobody again because they got left behind. They're only just getting back on track now and there's no guarantee they'll ever get anywhere near as big again.

It'll happen to Apple too.

Sorry, but no. Your comparison makes no sense. Nokia failed because of the introduction of the smartphone. They dominated the market with mostly cheap hardware and their own software which they abandoned. Nokia was never the world's largest company nor did it have the most cash on hand. I think Apple will be ok.

But just to be safe, I'll go sell my AAPL stock (which has made me a very pretty penny) right now. You know just in case their newest phone, which is poised to outsell every other phone they released before, fails.

stevan said,

But, if 4S was basically the same as the 4 and yet it outsold it, and then 5 is basically the same as 4S and WILL outsell it, how can it be the begging of the end for the iPhone?

If a product you release keeps outselling the previous product, doesn't that mean a good thing?

I'm just glad I can be a part of a website where some users are smarter than the largest company on Earth.

its keeps selling because each year more fans keep buying them. The biggest buyetsbare previous owners

TechieXP said,
its keeps selling because each year more fans keep buying them. The biggest buyetsbare previous owners

So now brand loyalty is a bad thing? That's exactly what every company wants!

TechieXP said,
its keeps selling because each year more fans keep buying them. The biggest buyetsbare previous owners

That can't be when the market is growing. In order to sell more than the previous models combined, there has to be a lot of non fans buying it too.


Some 38% of people who bought an iPhone that month said their previous phone was an Android or Blackberry, and another 4% said their last phone was a Palm smartphone. By comparison, just 34% said their previous phone was an iPhone.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com...nd-rim-2012-6#ixzz26bouCOc8

A few months old, but still. Kind of disproves what you're suggesting.

technikal said,

Nokia used to be like that. Dominated the market for years and then suddenly they were nobody again because they got left behind. They're only just getting back on track now and there's no guarantee they'll ever get anywhere near as big again.

It'll happen to Apple too.

It may even happen to Samsung 0.o

stevan said,

Sorry, but no. Your comparison makes no sense. Nokia failed because of the introduction of the smartphone. They dominated the market with mostly cheap hardware and their own software which they abandoned. Nokia was never the world's largest company nor did it have the most cash on hand. I think Apple will be ok.

But just to be safe, I'll go sell my AAPL stock (which has made me a very pretty penny) right now. You know just in case their newest phone, which is poised to outsell every other phone they released before, fails.

Ah an expert.

Give us a clue. How much cash has your apple stock "made you" so far?

drewlol said,

It may even happen to Samsung 0.o

It will.

This is the point I'm making. Most companies have their periods of success followed by periods where they are a laughing stock. It happened to Nokia. It happened to HP. It's happening to RIM. It's why it's funny when chimps like "stevan" deny the fact. And of course he would...he's a shareholder. They're usually the last to notice what is coming.

andrewbares said,

So now brand loyalty is a bad thing? That's exactly what every company wants!

I never said it was...did I. The problem is, since so many fans buy the product, everyone else cant get one because you all keep buyign them all up. The brand loyalty is what APple needs to survive, Android doesn't need that.

Why did I say that? Because it was said in April that out of 100 people that stopped using feature phones, 62 chose Android while 25% chose iOS and 7% chose Windows Phone. In other words, with Android selling at 3.5 to 1 Apple device, brand loyalty is all Apple got to stay alive. This is why their marketshare isn't growing even with having more buyers each year. Because almost all of the buys are from previous owners. You can't live on bread alone, you need water too. Apple is living on bread...but without water they will die.

The problem with you fans is, when we true to show you factual stuff, you make it seem like we are saying something bad. The truth isn't bad, its just truth. Sure any company would love brand loyalty. Look at Mac sales...130M in 28 years vs Windows selling over 220M per year for the last nearly 5 years. Who has the best brand loyalty? 1.3M people own a Windows PC...isn't that loyalty...only 130M own a Mac..that isn't really loyalty, that's a bunch of lowers who deny PC's are better.

Being loyal to a brand that short sells u every year? You waited a whole year for a phone that si outdate before it even hits the shelf. Android phones arent outdated when they hit the shelf, it takes a newer being made to make it seem old. But if you phone isnt even available for sale and its behind, what good is loyalty.

4" screen - avail since 2009. Its now almost 2013.
LTE, has also been avail since 2009 - its now almost 2013
talking an doing data at the same time has been avail sine well awhile and the iPhone 5 still can't support this capability on some networks?
720P resolution? since 2009...no Apple support.

Shall I go on...because my phone which is only 3 months old, does 25 things natively that your new iPhone can't do, yet phones older than it is can and have been doing them since 2009.

Brand loyalty can be a bad thing if your brand isnt giving it loyal customers a reasonable reward for being so. Google is gaining users who were once loyal to the likes of Microsoft and RIM. They all left the other brands bec they makers were giving them due justice for their loyalty. I will personally never be loyal to any one brand. I am a tech nut and I buy based on what I need and want, not misguided loyal like iFans have.

They forgot to mention the price, that the SIII wont be crippled by future software updates but actually improved and that tethering wont cost you extra or be at your providers will.

Still its a good, easy, way to tell who's tech savvy and who's, well, got more money than sense.

If only Android could match the iPad in terms of hardware, Apple still wins there IMO, although something like a Nexus 10 could fix that.

Sorry Samsung doesn't control tethering, they can enable it all they want in their ROMs but carriers have ways of detecting it. AT&T, for one, actively polices their network and if they spot you tethering without paying for it, they will add it onto your bill.

As for updates? Please. Out of WP, iOS and Android, android is by far the worst.

TheBlueRaja said,
They forgot to mention the price, that the SIII wont be crippled by future software updates but actually improved and that tethering wont cost you extra or be at your providers will.

Still its a good, easy, way to tell who's tech savvy and who's, well, got more money than sense.

If only Android could match the iPad in terms of hardware, Apple still wins there IMO, although something like a Nexus 10 could fix that.

Not sure what you mean by crippled updates? My iPhone 4 is running iOS6 (that's 2 major versions after the release) - it's faster than on iOS 5 and I've gained lots of features since iOS4

The only time iOS was slowing older phones was with the 3G, which didn't have the horsepower to keep up with the new software. iPhone 3GS and above all work fine with the latest version of iOS

Apple has no more genius to innovate, that's all ( btw, RIP Steve Jobs).
The apple attacking Samsung in justice was planned because Apple headquarters knew that the SGS3 was killing the unborn featureless Iphone5

At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!

kevpan815 said,
At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!

Samsung did a disservice by putting 4.0 on the GS III.

kevpan815 said,
At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!

Yeah, Apple loves keeping their phones upto date, usually by crippling things like wifi (3gs) or slowing the phone down to make newer ones feel quicker.

kevpan815 said,
At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!

Well there's your problem, Apple says their biggest competitors can't update their phones? SHOCKHORROR!!!

kevpan815 said,
At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!

kevpan815 said,
At least Apple keeps their IPhone users Up to Date where as most Android Smart Phones Like Motorola are still running 2.3 and some are even still running 2.2 according to Apple's 2012 WWDC Event!
what good is having the latest version if iOS if u can't use all the features or it makes your phone so slow its a pain to use? android 2.2 still does things the iPhone 5 can't. I bet VZW device running 2.2 or 2.3 can surf and talk at the same time, I bet you can transfer any file, I bet the have unlimited storage, bigger screens,

TechieXP said,
android 2.2 still does things the iPhone 5 can't.

Like have a jarring, stuttering UI? No thanks. Android 4.0 is far better in that regard.

Regarding the rest of you crybabies who think the phone you use somehow makes you cooler than the next kid, get a life. iPhone users, Android's a great alternative, especially now with 4.0. Android users, just because the iPhone is made by Apple doesn't mean it's a horrible device. Personally I have the iPhone 4S, and it suits me fine. I don't plan to upgrade to the 5, because I don't see the need. I've used my buddy's Galaxy S III, and it's a fantastic phone as well. Time to grow up, kids.

TechieXP said,
what good is having the latest version if iOS if u can't use all the features or it makes your phone so slow its a pain to use? android 2.2 still does things the iPhone 5 can't. I bet VZW device running 2.2 or 2.3 can surf and talk at the same time, I bet you can transfer any file, I bet the have unlimited storage, bigger screens,

You know, on several pairs of pants that I have, they have pockets inside of pockets. Oddly enough, those pockets are made perfectly for an iPhone. It's pretty convenient that way my phone isn't moving around. Also, I'd rather not have the feeling of carrying around a mini T.V. in my pockets with the size of screen the SIII has.

The best hardware feature are from the LUMIA 920, and the features for WP8 will be great, a game changer! better than any other phone!

erikpienk said,
The best hardware feature are from the LUMIA 920, and the features for WP8 will be great, a game changer! better than any other phone!

I agree the only thing missing from the 920 that would push it over the top is a MicroSD slot. If it had that, it would be a clear win over all of the others. I was hoping it would have one since I'm planning on cutting the cord and syncing the Movies and TV shows I'm planning on buying from XBox Video to a swappable SDCard. 64GB of video on the card plus 32 GB for music, Apps, and data would have been awesome. Hopefully the next version will have this.

Drewidian said,

I agree the only thing missing from the 920 that would push it over the top is a MicroSD slot. If it had that, it would be a clear win over all of the others. I was hoping it would have one since I'm planning on cutting the cord and syncing the Movies and TV shows I'm planning on buying from XBox Video to a swappable SDCard. 64GB of video on the card plus 32 GB for music, Apps, and data would have been awesome. Hopefully the next version will have this.

My personal opinion but i feel the 32 GB storage and Skydrive are plenty of storage space for the Lumia 920.

Drewidian said,

I agree the only thing missing from the 920 that would push it over the top is a MicroSD slot. If it had that, it would be a clear win over all of the others. I was hoping it would have one since I'm planning on cutting the cord and syncing the Movies and TV shows I'm planning on buying from XBox Video to a swappable SDCard. 64GB of video on the card plus 32 GB for music, Apps, and data would have been awesome. Hopefully the next version will have this.

No MicroSD slot is not really a point for a 32GB smartphone. with microUSB port and USB On-the-go support, i'd say 95% of people are ok with that

erikpienk said,
The best hardware feature are from the LUMIA 920, and the features for WP8 will be great, a game changer! better than any other phone!

Believe it if/when I see it.

erikpienk said,
The best hardware feature are from the LUMIA 920, and the features for WP8 will be great, a game changer! better than any other phone!

How can you say that? No one has used WP8. No one has used the Lumia 920. You're declaring the Lumia 920 the winner, sight unseen.

Rosyna said,

How can you say that? No one has used WP8. No one has used the Lumia 920. You're declaring the Lumia 920 the winner, sight unseen.

And Samsung have used the yet unreleased iPhone? No. Didn't stop them putting an ad out claiming they are better though. You can't have it both ways I'm afraid

Drewidian said,

I agree the only thing missing from the 920 that would push it over the top is a MicroSD slot. If it had that, it would be a clear win over all of the others. I was hoping it would have one since I'm planning on cutting the cord and syncing the Movies and TV shows I'm planning on buying from XBox Video to a swappable SDCard. 64GB of video on the card plus 32 GB for music, Apps, and data would have been awesome. Hopefully the next version will have this.


if you buy it through XBL, or windows store... why wantit all directly on your phone? there's skydrive for one.

I'd go with a SIII without a doubt over the iPhone any day although I'm a Windows Phone fan and can't wait for the new Lumia 920, possibly one of Samsung's or HTC's competing devices.

dogmai79 said,
I'd go with a SIII without a doubt over the iPhone any day although I'm a Windows Phone fan and can't wait for the new Lumia 920, possibly one of Samsung's or HTC's competing devices.

+1 for Windows Phone not for samsung though. Nokia is making better phones for sure. I have a Lumia 900 and seriously its the most durable phone I have ever had. i will go with Nokia again for my next phone

iPhone 5 : Made of glass and aluminum.
Galaxy S3 : Made of plastic to look like metal and pebbles.

They're right, it doesn't take a genius to do this...

omgben said,
iPhone 5 : Made of glass and aluminum.
Galaxy S3 : Made of plastic to look like metal and pebbles.

They're right, it doesn't take a genius to do this...


Oh, so you are saying the S3 does not have a glass screen? You can keep your aluminum small screen with inferior features Iphone 5. Apple is so far behind in smartphone tech now and it is laughable LMAO!!!!

paesan said,

Oh, so you are saying the S3 does not have a glass screen? You can keep your aluminum small screen with inferior features Iphone 5. Apple is so far behind in smartphone tech now and it is laughable LMAO!!!!

Hes in denial so badly that hell just embarass himself. Look around at iphone users, most of them have broken phones cause theyre built crappy.

omgben said,
<snip>

I've never really understood this argument when many people put their phone in a case anyways. Even if you don't and something happens I would much rather replace the removable plastic back than deal with a dent on the unibody design.

omgben said,
iPhone 5 : Made of glass and aluminum.
Galaxy S3 : Made of plastic to look like metal and pebbles.

They're right, it doesn't take a genius to do this...

glass vs plastic argument is all you got? lol.
not all plastic is made the same.

contriver87 said,

I've never really understood this argument when many people put their phone in a case anyways. Even if you don't and something happens I would much rather replace the removable plastic back than deal with a dent on the unibody design.

Wait, so you're saying if the phones were durable then people would still have cases, if I'm following your logic? It has nothing to do with the screen shattering into a million pieces because it's brittle?

Guys. It's a bad joke. You'll be OK.

paesan said,

Oh, so you are saying the S3 does not have a glass screen? You can keep your aluminum small screen with inferior features Iphone 5. Apple is so far behind in smartphone tech now and it is laughable LMAO!!!!

You seem upset. I never said the S3 didn't have a glass screen. Try again. The rest of the stuff I'll ignore because it's subjective. I don't care how big a screen is if the battery life is poor, and the OS runs like crap. I'm not saying that's how it is for the S3. Just from my experience, that's how it was with my Note and S1.

Beyond Godlike said,

Hes in denial so badly that hell just embarass himself. Look around at iphone users, most of them have broken phones cause theyre built crappy.

Denial about what, exactly? The iPhone isn't for everyone. It's not the best phone out there because that's all subjective. There are close to seven billion people on this Earth, so there are 7 billion different wants and needs. The iPhone and the Galaxy can not fulfill all of those. I'll also admit that the S3 has the iPhone beat on standby time and talk time. Screen size? No biggie to me. Is the screen better than the one they put on the Focus and the Note? I ask because things looked over saturated, and it had bad color banding.

Also, do you have any sources or anything based remotely in reality to back up your claim? When I look around, I see a lot of phones intact, but I also see a few iPhones, and Android based *insert name here* phones with broken screens. But that anecdotal, so it doesn't matter. Things break, so what's your point?

contriver87 said,

I've never really understood this argument when many people put their phone in a case anyways. Even if you don't and something happens I would much rather replace the removable plastic back than deal with a dent on the unibody design.

As I said, I made a bad joke, and I did it on purpose. Samsung's list is heavily padded (unsurprisingly) to get people to buy their phone instead of Apple's. I just posted something that was floating around in my head that made me chuckle, and it would be something that Apple would probably put down if they made a list.

About replacing the back of the phone, that's your personal preference. While these aren't at the top of my priority list, I like something that is what it is. I don't like buying things made to look like something it is not. In my experience, the glass and metal combination from Apple beats the glass and plastic made to look like metal. (I want to stress that this is my opinion, and it applies to only me)

I alternate my 4s between a case for when I'm at work, and bare naked when I'm not. It looks almost as new as the day I got it. I had a Galaxy Note for three weeks. When I returned it, the back was all scratched, and it looked horrible. The glass screen was the only durable thing about it. Yeah, plastic helps more for when you drop a phone, but that's about it.

Edited by benthebear, Sep 16 2012, 1:36am :

mr_sock_00 said,

glass vs plastic argument is all you got? lol.
not all plastic is made the same.

Wasn't an argument. This is a list Samsung made to make their phone look the best. What do you think the list would look like is Apple made it? You would probably see things like, "Made of Aluminum and glass. Airplay. Doesn't owe Samsung a cool billion for copying..."

KSib said,

Wait, so you're saying if the phones were durable then people would still have cases, if I'm following your logic? It has nothing to do with the screen shattering into a million pieces because it's brittle?


Yes. Cases right now serve two functions: protection and customization. As long as at least one of those functions is desired I don't see cases ever going away entirely.

omgben said,

Samsung's list is heavily padded (unsurprisingly) to get people to buy their phone instead of Apple's.

I agree. I have a S3 and many of those functions are pretty useless for me. Unfortunately some people seem to eat some of that stuff up. Apple sometimes does this and Samsung probably figured it would fit the demographic.

omgben said,

In my experience, the glass and metal combination from Apple beats the glass and plastic made to look like metal. (I want to stress that this is my opinion, and it applies to only me)

And that's a perfectly good opinion. Everybody has a different one and that's why it's nice to have a choice.

Beyond Godlike said,

Hes in denial so badly that hell just embarass himself. Look around at iphone users, most of them have broken phones cause theyre built crappy.

It's rather sad how clueless you are...

Astra.Xtreme said,

It's rather sad how clueless you are...

Actually he is right. Making a device thatbyoi are going to handle 100's of times a day out of fancy materials that damage easy is stupid. Its so funny how the frkkon fans for get the first iPhone was made of mastic. All of a sudden cause Apple decided to graduate to other materials, u all think its the great thing since slice bread. Poly-Carbonate looks good and is durable. One drop and the iPhone breaks especially the back. That is why Apple went back to metal. Its took 1000's of phones breaking and complaints to get them to move.

The iPhone is outdate even before it hits the shelf. At least sell one andet a new device beat you, but when our beaten before u even go on sale that is sad.

I've learned my lesson. Comparing the build materials of two phones is a sensitive subject.


You may think that the Galaxies don't need a case, and it was very nice of you to share your opinion, but there appears to be a market for Galaxy S3 cases.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr...;ie=UTF8&qid=1347771032

If you think people are brain dead because they buy a different phone than you, and that only fanboys buy it because of the, "cool factor," then it sounds like you're dealing with some insecurity issues that a licensed professional may be able to help you through.

It's just a phone, mate. You shouldn't have to use it to justify your existence, or to feel like you're above others.

Scar said,

Enjoy your glass, I'll enjoy a generally better phone. I hope, for your sake, you're 12 or a woman.

Nah, I'll enjoy the fact that I don't have to get on the Internet to make sexist comments towards others because they see things differently. You feel that you have a better phone than me, that's good I guess.

It's good to convince yourself that you have the best out there and that you made a smart decision. I get it. Times are tough. Just know this. I like my phone, it's what works best for me, and I do not think that my phone is better than your phone because the phone you married yourself to works best for you. As I told Beyond Godlike. It's just a phone.

Edited by John S., Sep 16 2012, 8:44am :

Beyond Godlike said,

Hes in denial so badly that hell just embarass himself. Look around at iphone users, most of them have broken phones cause theyre built crappy.

Now that's very true! I see iPhone users with cracked screens all the time when I walk around.

Beyond Godlike said,

Hes in denial so badly that hell just embarass himself. Look around at iphone users, most of them have broken phones cause theyre built crappy.

Built crappy or just made not to drop on the ground like every other phone? I don't buy a phone to drop it on the ground so why would I care about durability? lol

omgben said,

Wasn't an argument. This is a list Samsung made to make their phone look the best. What do you think the list would look like is Apple made it? You would probably see things like, "Made of Aluminum and glass. Airplay. Doesn't owe Samsung a cool billion for copying..."

Samsung on the other hand could use some other cool word than plastic against aluminium.


Guess what looks more coo
iPhone 5: Aluminium
Galaxy SIII: Organic

Nashy said,
Be perfect if this S3 felt nice and tough, but it just doesn't.

Yet its way tougher....most androids use reinforced glass, iphones use paper towel. Look at drop tests and see that teh Galaxy series are wayyyy more durable..

Apples good at 'look and feel'..ill give em that..but theyve got no actual substance to that.

Beyond Godlike said,

Yet its way tougher....most androids use reinforced glass, iphones use paper towel. Look at drop tests and see that teh Galaxy series are wayyyy more durable..

Apples good at 'look and feel'..ill give em that..but theyve got no actual substance to that.

Ever drop an iPhone without a case on it? Well, can you pray before it hits the ground?

Beyond Godlike said,

Yet its way tougher....most androids use reinforced glass, iphones use paper towel. Look at drop tests and see that teh Galaxy series are wayyyy more durable..

Apples good at 'look and feel'..ill give em that..but theyve got no actual substance to that.

All of my phones are in cases. I understand, and am certainly not taking away from the fact that the S3 is a well built and durable phone. I simple mean it doesn't feel solid in your hand.

I loved holding and using the iPhone4. One X was a bit better, but I didn't really feel it until I finally purchased a Lumia.

Beyond Godlike said,

Yet its way tougher....most androids use reinforced glass, iphones use paper towel. Look at drop tests and see that teh Galaxy series are wayyyy more durable..

Apples good at 'look and feel'..ill give em that..but theyve got no actual substance to that.

I don't know about you, but I purchase a phone to talk, text, email, surf the web, play music, and handle other tasks, not to drop on the ground. What a concept, I know. That's why Apple goes for aesthetics over durability because they recognize that dropping a phone is not a use for the device.

drewlol said,

That's why Apple goes for aesthetics over durability because they recognize that dropping a phone is not a use for the device.

And yet durability isnt that bad. I've dropped my iPhone 4 around five times now on either wood or stone floor, all it has to show for it are a few small scratches that can only be seen with strong and direct light cast on it. That's a lot better than the HTC Touch Diamond 2 I had before it, that one had all four corners scaved and plenty of scratches on the back after just two drops.

drewlol said,

I don't know about you, but I purchase a phone to talk, text, email, surf the web, play music, and handle other tasks, not to drop on the ground. What a concept, I know. That's why Apple goes for aesthetics over durability because they recognize that dropping a phone is not a use for the device.

You forgot the /s

tanjiajun_34 said,
Damn they put S Voice against Siri. Use Google Now.....

S3 don't have Jelly bean yet so no Google Now.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Yeah 'cause they'll surely lose. S-Voice sucks. Google Now is amazing.

why? Side by side test shoe A-Voice was more accurate. Is that why?

TechieXP said,
why? Side by side test shoe A-Voice was more accurate. Is that why?

S-Voice is rubbish. Absolutely pitiful. It's not accurate at all. It thinks I'm saying "Mom" when I say "call Mum" then says "there is no contact called Mom" whereas Google Now gets it right every time.

S-Voice is truly pants.

even apply fanboi's are saying the iPhone 5 is not an improvement on the 4S.

Maybe Apples 5 minutes of fame is finally over and they can be put out to pasture where they belong

I'm looking forward to Windows phone 8 on Samsung too !

The best part of this ad is that if apple ever decide to include any of the extra features Samsung has listed in their ad, they can sue what's left of Apples pants off!

FMH said,
They really beat them in stand-by time.
I was a bit stunned by their standby time as well, but their talk time is no where near the same percentage gain, which makes the standby time seem a bit dubious.

I thought the "a totally different plug" was the best part.

FMH said,
They really beat them in stand-by time.

Sure did!

Although the article says some of the claims are a bit dodge (which is kinda true) I still feel its exactly the same sort of thing Apple would put in their ads.. well they did actually I mean is Siri REALLY a selling point for the 4S? Here in NZ it was everywhere the NEW iPhone with SIRI!!!!.... cool story. I want a phone not a gimmick

Rosyna said,

But that model only has 1GB of RAM, not the 2GB as stated in the ad.

Is samsung listing features from different phones in their ad?

Yeah. But I cannot find the specs for the S III International LTE version... That one is like the Korean's S III with 2gb ram and the Exynos quad core processor.

Rosyna said,

But that model only has 1GB of RAM, not the 2GB as stated in the ad.

Is samsung listing features from different phones in their ad?

I think they're comparing it to the as yet unreleased I9305 (quad core Exynos with 2GB RAM and LTE).

FMH said,
They really beat them in stand-by time.

Yea, so did the the Galaxy S2, around 600 hours I believe. My stepdad has one, with it just lying idle most of the time, maybe one or two short phone call a day, yet the battey doesn't last more than 30 hours from a full charge. We did take it in to have it replaced but was only told that it wasn't defect.

I guess that maybe you can get some more hours if you turn of the Wifi or 3G data, then again, the Wifi turns of with the screen and nothing should be using 3G. My iPhone 4 lying idle except for receiving emails (count on 20 per day) and notifications does at least last about a week, and that's with wifi, 3g, bluetooth and so on enabled. Not quite the promised time but gets closer to it than the S2 did.

FMH said,
They really beat them in stand-by time.

It's quite true. I think Apple thought the upgraded 4 inch screen and the new design would be the selling point like Siri for 4S but sadly it doesn't impress much since they haven't done anything new. I sure hope at least the 5S would have a much better selling point than the 5.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

I think they're comparing it to the as yet unreleased I9305 (quad core Exynos with 2GB RAM and LTE).

That model was released 2 months ago in Korea. 2GB RAM, LTE, Quad-core Exynos

FMH said,
They really beat them in stand-by time.

Of course, Standby time, a very useful feature for when your phone sucks and you don't want to use it.

dvb2000 said,
even apply fanboi's are saying the iPhone 5 is not an improvement on the 4S.

Maybe Apples 5 minutes of fame is finally over and they can be put out to pasture where they belong

I'm looking forward to Windows phone 8 on Samsung too !

The best part of this ad is that if apple ever decide to include any of the extra features Samsung has listed in their ad, they can sue what's left of Apples pants off!

just don't run into a Dredd fanboy. had him so tied up in knots he was claiming I didn't know that a comic was a comedian. X_X So Dredd is based on a Comedian? seriously?

yes standby time is just insane on the samsungs. and thats important on long trips.

Andrew Lyle said,

Haha, good catch!

No it isnt. There are 4 models of the Galaxy S 3. The International version the i9300, i535 that went to Verizon, the T999 that is at T-Mobile and the i747 that went to ATT.

The VZW model GSMARENA syays it has a standby time of 200hrs...while the 9300 has 790Hrs. A phone with a real 4G chip will use more power vs a GSM based device that doesn't.

TechieXP said,
No it isnt. There are 4 models of the Galaxy S 3. The International version the i9300, i535 that went to Verizon, the T999 that is at T-Mobile and the i747 that went to ATT.

The VZW model GSMARENA syays it has a standby time of 200hrs...while the 9300 has 790Hrs. A phone with a real 4G chip will use more power vs a GSM based device that doesn't.

There are different divisions to Samsung though, correct? Why would the ad have Samsung Mobile USA if it's for the Korean version of the phone, seeing as it's the only one supposedly that will have the 2GB of RAM outside of the US and may actually have these proper battery life measurements?

Or did I miss something?