Samsung to release smartphone based on 64-bit chip next year; ARM confirms

A senior official for ARM has confirmed that Samsung is on track to release a smartphone equipped with a 64-bit Exynos chip in 2014.

While speaking to reporters at the ARM Technology Symposia 2013 in Seoul, the senior manager at ARM, said that, “Executives from Samsung and ARM had a meeting today. They discussed the ARM 64-bit chip, which is expected to be used in Samsung’s smartphone next year.” The official also mentioned that a 128-bit processor could be released within the next two years but insisted that it is just a possibility and not a plan.

Samsung has been rumored to be readying their next flagship, the Galaxy S5, with a 64-bit Exynos Octa processor for launch in January but no other information about their plans has been revealed yet. The meeting with ARM executives confirms that there is a possibility of a 64-bit chip making it into the next Samsung flagship.

Apple launched the iPhone 5s last month which uses the 64-bit A7 SoC, making it the first smartphone to feature the architecture. Samsung's mobile head JK Shin had made a statement to Korea Times that, "our next smartphones will have 64-bit processing capability," when talking about the Apple chip at that time.

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The problem is that samsung tried to go ahead and created an octa-core processor, but then Apple said: I created a 64bits CPU and in iphone 6 it will be quad-core 64bits, it will be by far faster than octa-core at 32bits

Also remember Apple CPU at 64bits is a first-class Desktop comparable. if you do not believe me check the benchmarks, etc, it is comparable to a Mac Mini 2010 , so sooner we will see phones with amazing performance and capabilities.

I own a Nexus 4, hope to get Nexus 6 when 64bits be available

Hello,

This doesnt make too much sense to me. Android AFAIK is only avaliable in 32 bit format. This would mean that Android 4.5 or above would go 64 bit.

The problem with that is that WILL start true fragmentation...

riahc3 said,
Hello,

This doesnt make too much sense to me. Android AFAIK is only avaliable in 32 bit format. This would mean that Android 4.5 or above would go 64 bit.

The problem with that is that WILL start true fragmentation...

How? 32bit apps run on 64bit. It dodnt cause any with Windows...did it? If a dev wants to make a 2bit app, they can at anytime. 64bit apps on such a small scale is meaningless and offer no benefit.

For example, take a game like Angry Birds. Its a simple game...right? Make it 64bit, what is it about the game is going to be better. Can you think of anything?

Driving games like NFS Most Wanted would benefit because of its fast pace and constant moving animations that more power will make more fluid. But adding 64bit alone wont give you that, you need more RAM still.

Lets go back in time for a real comparison. Do you know how the 16Bit Super Nintendo was able to run 32bit games like Starfox? Because the cartridge contain a second 16bit chip and MORE RAM. Remember the N64? Remember that port where you added the memory? What was it for? To makes the games have more RAM which made them play better, In fact, games like Zelda didn't work without the RAM packs.

Stevan doesn't get it because he, well just doesn't. Its not going to create fragmentation. Such a misuse of a word that Apple made up and I cant see why people keep repeating.

The reason it is bogus is simple. Software is fully 100% adaptive to its change in environment. If you have a 32bit app and you want it to take advantage of 64bit, you simply recompile it. Devs can choose to do this or not.

Hardware however isn't very adaptive. Unless you make a custom PC. If you buy a branded product you are at the mercy of what features they decide to port or not. Apple has far more fragmentation vs Android in this instance because Android creates new adaptive hardware on a regular basis while Apple does it once per year. Which is why they are so far behind. The 5S doesn't perform better than a GN3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QOaLOapPk4

Look at this video. We all know about Amantech findings with benchmarks. But Look at this video. The guy is showing and explaining that what Samsung did only added about 5% to 10% difference in score results. So what this tester did was remove 5% and 10% from the score. Results? The GN3 was still FASTER,

On my Note 3 I got a score of 921 on single core score and 2732 on multicore score. I didn't hit the 3000 he did and I am assuming my device doesn't have the script the ATT/International model has. Because I came in at 10% less on score, but it was still faster than the 5S. So basically 64Bit offered what advantage? NONE. However if it had more RAm I am betting it would be even closer.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Nov 21 2013, 3:13pm :

nice one for explaining how apples crippled its 64bit chipset from a person that ACTUALLY CODES apps by only giving it 1GB ram, do you think they understand how 64bit works or do ya reckon they just chuck it out there cus they know people will buy it anyway then iphone 6 will have 2GB ram in magically making it better?

Haha this is hilarious. Thank you for showing that a phone with octa core and 3gig of ram is on par or can barely beat a phone with 1gig of ram and 2 cores. Seems like that 64bit part has a lot more benefits.

Bahahahahahaha.

stevan said,
Haha this is hilarious. Thank you for showing that a phone with octa core and 3gig of ram is on par or can barely beat a phone with 1gig of ram and 2 cores. Seems like that 64bit part has a lot more benefits.

Bahahahahahaha.


Nice counterarguments there bud. Wow, that's incredible.

And if you can't do better than that, then just LOL.

If you can do nothing more than ad hominem attacks on others when they prove you wrong, then rather stay away from this webpage as your gibberish is ****ing off alot of peoples here.

actually i didnt call you any names at all really, like i said you never read anything properly. Of course theyll praise the iphone, if they didnt there stuff probably wouldnt be accepted in the app store. I bet you the iphone 6 will come with 2GB ram on it. TBH most devs will never build anything that needs alot of ram BECAUSE of the limitations set forth by apple. If it came with 2GB then youll see more stuff making use of the extra ram until then they cant.

also to the bit about i think the only good thing about 64bit is more ram youve clearly shown you dont read anything at all. More = good whether its 64bit or 32 bit. I remember when i upgraded my ram years ago from 2GB to 4GB everything got alot more responsive you could multitask better programs would load up faster it was generally all round better. Prolly why the iphone cant multitask properly cus of the ram limitation having to kill processes to free up ram. Having an extra 1GB in would mean the whole OS would become alot more responsive for longer, thats same for any operating system whether its iOS, android or WP sure you can do tricks like having it in a paused state or someat but ultimately having more ram and the os to make use of it properly everything should be better

Edited by psionicinversion, Nov 21 2013, 8:03pm :

stevan said,
Haha this is hilarious. Thank you for showing that a phone with octa core and 3gig of ram is on par or can barely beat a phone with 1gig of ram and 2 cores. Seems like that 64bit part has a lot more benefits.

Bahahahahahaha.

and i suppose your comment there is the perfect example on how to behave on here. You havnt debated anything there, all you stated is something making fun of his comments and contributed nothing to the conversation completely ignoring everything hes trying to get across.

Congratulations!!!

psionicinversion said,
also to the bit about i think the only good thing about 64bit is more ram youve clearly shown you dont read anything at all. More = good whether its 64bit or 32 bit. I remember when i upgraded my ram years ago from 2GB to 4GB everything got alot more responsive you could multitask better programs would load up faster it was generally all round better. Prolly why the iphone cant multitask properly cus of the ram limitation having to kill processes to free up ram. Having an extra 1GB in would mean the whole OS would become alot more responsive for longer, thats same for any operating system whether its iOS, android or WP sure you can do tricks like having it in a paused state or someat but ultimately having more ram and the os to make use of it properly everything should be better

I don't honestly think you understand how mobile operating systems work. Microsoft and Apple are clear examples of how you can create environment that is very optimized for it's hardware. They have hardware and software so optimized that it doesn't need 4 or 6 cores or 3 gigs of ram to work properly. This is one of the reasons Apple went 64 bit. Of course, future arm architecture was going 64 so inevitably both Apple and Samsung were going to be 64 bit. But they can get performance gains from their operating systems without adding additional cores or ram.

Just look at android, how many cores do their high end devices have? And how much ram? Yet you still see people, as well as developers sayings how it's buggy.

I know these issues are being solved with KitKat, but it took android 6 cores, 3 gigs of ram and version 4.4 to get rid of a simple lag. That is just laughable.

psionicinversion said,

and i suppose your comment there is the perfect example on how to behave on here. You havnt debated anything there, all you stated is something making fun of his comments and contributed nothing to the conversation completely ignoring everything hes trying to get across.

Congratulations!!!

Or, I could have gone one step further and called someone names? Hahahahahaha

stevan said,

I don't honestly think you understand how mobile operating systems work. Microsoft and Apple are clear examples of how you can create environment that is very optimized for it's hardware. They have hardware and software so optimized that it doesn't need 4 or 6 cores or 3 gigs of ram to work properly. This is one of the reasons Apple went 64 bit. Of course, future arm architecture was going 64 so inevitably both Apple and Samsung were going to be 64 bit. But they can get performance gains from their operating systems without adding additional cores or ram.

Just look at android, how many cores do their high end devices have? And how much ram? Yet you still see people, as well as developers sayings how it's buggy.

I know these issues are being solved with KitKat, but it took android 6 cores, 3 gigs of ram and version 4.4 to get rid of a simple lag. That is just laughable.

Thats a more constructive arguement, why didnt you say that in the first place rather than just slamming peoples posts? i dont understand how they work although i know WP has 3 states a program can be in i think 1 fully off, 1 with a quick resume where it starts up fast like text apps and a suspend state where it take longer than fast resume but is quicker than loading it all from scratch.

i know a better optimised os is better but more ram is good but i spose at the same time end of the day its a phone and isnt designed to do heavy work, things like phablets like the note 3 are more hybrid devices where they might be better off with more ram so it doesnt need to go into a suspended state and could multitask programs like you do on a computer switching between programs instantly. get more stuff done that way

stevan said,

I don't honestly think you understand how mobile operating systems work. Microsoft and Apple are clear examples of how you can create environment that is very optimized for it's hardware. They have hardware and software so optimized that it doesn't need 4 or 6 cores or 3 gigs of ram to work properly. This is one of the reasons Apple went 64 bit. Of course, future arm architecture was going 64 so inevitably both Apple and Samsung were going to be 64 bit. But they can get performance gains from their operating systems without adding additional cores or ram.

Just look at android, how many cores do their high end devices have? And how much ram? Yet you still see people, as well as developers sayings how it's buggy.

I know these issues are being solved with KitKat, but it took android 6 cores, 3 gigs of ram and version 4.4 to get rid of a simple lag. That is just laughable.

Android phone don't need that either. The reason Android is pushing hardware as a big deal is because they have oth OEM's using the same OS and features and hardware is their only differentiating factor. This is the same thing with Windows. When you have more thn one OEM using the same OS, hardware and procing is your only ace up your sleeves.

The other thing you need to consider is this, since Apple and Microsoft aren't pushing huge features on their devices is another reason they don't need this.

In the case of Samsung you need 3GB of RAM because - A) With TouchWiz you have the ability to run multiple apps on the screen. More RAM mean the device can do this fast and clean. iOS or WP don't need 3GB o RAM because they are on trick ponies.

Samsung uses more cores because one core can power one application while the rest do another. SO lets consider this...one tasks that takes up a lot of power is Burst Shots. On iPhone when you do this task, both cores fire up and run the app because theer are no other apps that need the power. However on Android, one sleeping core can be awaken to handle this task, so the other core can continue to work on the original task(s). Again a one trick only toy phone doesn't need this.

4K recoding which Windows Phone and iPhone don't do yet also need a constant base of CPU power to prevent drops in frames and to help in faster photo processing.

This is how servers work. That is the benefit of more than one core. Windows Phone was slow out the gate. MS was forced to make Windows Phone OS run on lower class hardware because it wasn't finished. It would have been stupid for MS to rush WP OS to a quadcore device with such minimal task need. However, as Windows Phone supports larger screens, higher resolutions and more, dual and quad will me more available to it.

Look at iPad. Even though the main CPU is not a quad, the GPU is. Why? Because a dual core GPU would not have the power to push such a high resolution screen as we have seen in earlier iPad's. The iPads with a dual core GPU struggled on some of the most intensive games like Infinity Blade.

Your claim is BS. The fact is, what dictates hardware need is not just features, but your usage. Many people don't need Quadcore CPU's in their laptops...do hey? But aren't all i5 and i7 processors on Intel...QUAD? YES THEY ARE. Does the average person need that for Word n Excel? Do they need that for Netflix? Facebook? Twitter? Do they need 8GB of RAM? Likely not. But what is so bad about having it?

Android doesn't need that either. Look! - Here is a Galaxy S II running 4.2.x Jelly Bean.
Notice it is just as fast as the device running what it came with. It has a dual core CPU and 1GB of RAM just like an iPhone. Oh and even though 4.2 is a muc more aggressive OS on hardware, it runs perfect on a 2 year old device. Yet iOS 7 doesn't run as well on a 2 year old iPhone.

So your claim about some OS' needing more power is all smoke and mirrors. Stop spreading FUD and stick to facts.

Fact is BRO, my Galaxy Note 3 has a quadcore CPU and 3GB of RAM because my device can do things that many devices cant. My device can run more apps at one time, my device can have as many apps as I can open on the home screen, my device is much more capable than yours. My device has widgets which ae apps that run all the time. True multi-taking requires MORE RAM. Since the iPhone still had lame multi-tasking it doesn't have more RAM.

I have this hardware for a purpose. It has these things because they are needed, not for some spec war. Compare the GN3 to other phones with the exact same hardware like the HTC One. My device still does way more. Why does the HTC One have a Snapdragon 800? Because it about specs for HTC. Why dos my Note 3 have it? Because on my device it is actually used for something like pushing 4K video, so I can process pics at a higher speed resulting in better pictures and video. Because I can process full HD video from both cameras at the same time. Because I can play a full HD video on the screen and have another app on the screen at the same time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/69288486@N06/11055078213/

5 open apps including a full hd movie. With 1GB of RAM most devices would be unable to perform this task. The Galaxy S 3 and Note 2 introduced multi-window features that are possible with 1GB of RAM, but would make the device slow. That's why they had 2GB of RAM. This is why those devices have this.

According to YOUR argument, many devices would be just fine with a single ore CPU. So why does the iPhone have a dual-core? Oh and look how iOS 7 runs on dual core with slower clocks. It runs terrible on the iPhone 4 and 4S. Why? Why doesn't Android 4.2.x run poor on the SGS2?

psionicinversion said,

Thats a more constructive arguement, why didnt you say that in the first place rather than just slamming peoples posts? i dont understand how they work although i know WP has 3 states a program can be in i think 1 fully off, 1 with a quick resume where it starts up fast like text apps and a suspend state where it take longer than fast resume but is quicker than loading it all from scratch.

i know a better optimised os is better but more ram is good but i spose at the same time end of the day its a phone and isnt designed to do heavy work, things like phablets like the note 3 are more hybrid devices where they might be better off with more ram so it doesnt need to go into a suspended state and could multitask programs like you do on a computer switching between programs instantly. get more stuff done that way

Don't waste your time on him. He doesn't understand how a mobile OS works either. HE is so use to using iOS devices who force everything to run in 1GB of RAM.

What you said is true of ALL mobile OS'. Depending on how much RAM you have, the more you can do. All mobile OS's will freeze apps if they have a certain amount of RAM. Fact, iOS prevents any app from exceeding 50% of available RAM. This is why Apple's own apps will still runs while others wont. Apple has forced the OS to prioritize its own apps, even though they are used less.

On Android or Windows Phone, there are no preference to apps. Preference goes to what app you open first based on RAM. On the Note 3 because it has more RAM, more apps can run and yes at the same time with less frozen states.

The Note is a multi-tasking powerhouse, the iPhone and Windows Phone are not. As a hybrid device it is designed to be more like a PC like you said. This is exactly what the iPad should be but it isn't because the fans like Stevan don't understand that a tablet is suppose to have features that supersede a smartphone. A tablet isn't suppose to act exactly like a smartphone.

The iPad nearly 100% mimis the iPhone. When itcomes to Android devices, the tablets show they are very different. The Note is a perfect example because do to size, hardware dictates what it can do.

What Stevan was right about is, many OS' don't need fancier hardware. So wat do you get? You get a phone with dumb down task capabilities. Do to the iPhone sub-HD screen, it doesn't need to really fast GPU. Even tho the 5S has a quadcore GPU, because it has sub-HD screen, it doesn't have to work as hard so thus on intense games it scores and performs better vs like a Snapdragon 800 which is pushing a full 1920x1080HD display.

But don't waste your time on fans. There whole point of existence is, they are here to make everything think they are stupid or ignorant, when usually its THEM. All they do is report what other say and repeat what other say. They don't deal with facts they love fluff.

There first point is to ridicule and name call and make what they like appear better. They give no substance. All they do is use one hitter posts to get likes. Because birds of a feather flock together.

TechieXP said,

Don't waste your time on him. He doesn't understand how a mobile OS works either. HE is so use to using iOS devices who force everything to run in 1GB of RAM.

What you said is true of ALL mobile OS'. Depending on how much RAM you have, the more you can do. All mobile OS's will freeze apps if they have a certain amount of RAM. Fact, iOS prevents any app from exceeding 50% of available RAM. This is why Apple's own apps will still runs while others wont. Apple has forced the OS to prioritize its own apps, even though they are used less.

On Android or Windows Phone, there are no preference to apps. Preference goes to what app you open first based on RAM. On the Note 3 because it has more RAM, more apps can run and yes at the same time with less frozen states.

The Note is a multi-tasking powerhouse, the iPhone and Windows Phone are not. As a hybrid device it is designed to be more like a PC like you said. This is exactly what the iPad should be but it isn't because the fans like Stevan don't understand that a tablet is suppose to have features that supersede a smartphone. A tablet isn't suppose to act exactly like a smartphone.

The iPad nearly 100% mimis the iPhone. When itcomes to Android devices, the tablets show they are very different. The Note is a perfect example because do to size, hardware dictates what it can do.

What Stevan was right about is, many OS' don't need fancier hardware. So wat do you get? You get a phone with dumb down task capabilities. Do to the iPhone sub-HD screen, it doesn't need to really fast GPU. Even tho the 5S has a quadcore GPU, because it has sub-HD screen, it doesn't have to work as hard so thus on intense games it scores and performs better vs like a Snapdragon 800 which is pushing a full 1920x1080HD display.

But don't waste your time on fans. There whole point of existence is, they are here to make everything think they are stupid or ignorant, when usually its THEM. All they do is report what other say and repeat what other say. They don't deal with facts they love fluff.

There first point is to ridicule and name call and make what they like appear better. They give no substance. All they do is use one hitter posts to get likes. Because birds of a feather flock together.

Haha trolls will be trolls. Thank you for reinforcing my argument.

stevan said,

Haha trolls will be trolls. Thank you for reinforcing my argument.


Nice counter argument there bud. If you don't have anything to add other than gibberish, then please **** off by calling others for trolls when you can't counter argument against it.

Exynos said,

Nice counter argument there bud. If you don't have anything to add other than gibberish, then please **** off by calling others for trolls when you can't counter argument against it.

Don't take much to shake ya up does it? Haha this is only a forum. Too bad Neowin has trolls like yourself an TechieXP. Few others come to mind but you two top the list.

stevan said,

Don't take much to shake ya up does it? Haha this is only a forum. Too bad Neowin has trolls like yourself an TechieXP. Few others come to mind but you two top the list.


I'm just sayin. I'm not shaked up or anything like it, i'm just telling you to come with constructive posts or just bugger off, because you are actually ****ing off alot of users here now.

Exynos said,

I'm just sayin. I'm not shaked up or anything like it, i'm just telling you to come with constructive posts or just bugger off, because you are actually ****ing off alot of users here now.

You said this already, but last time I checked it was only you and TechieXP. Funny, trolls come out, I put them in their place since they think their opinions are facts, and then they complain about me making them angry.

How does that song go, "cry me a river"?

stevan said,

You said this already, but last time I checked it was only you and TechieXP. Funny, trolls come out, I put them in their place since they think their opinions are facts, and then they complain about me making them angry.

How does that song go, "cry me a river"?


The fact that you only thinks it's just me and TechieXP says enough about you. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but just because we are only 3-4 active in here now, doesn't mean it's just us who reads and sees what we are saying and wrinting that cares about this.

Exynos said,

The fact that you only thinks it's just me and TechieXP says enough about you. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but just because we are only 3-4 active in here now, doesn't mean it's just us who reads and sees what we are saying and wrinting that cares about this.

Actually, I have only seen you two using curse words and leaving your caps lock on. He's so quick to type out his essay that he can't put two sentences together. So I don't even bother replying to him. Neither does anyone else for that matter. Apparently his nickname is Mr. Samsung. You've been proven wrong on multiple occasions.

This little anti-apple crusade you two are going on is what makes this forum a bad place for some people. And to add insult to injury, you constantly try to pass off your opinion as facts.

And then the whole name calling, constantly labeling people as iSheeps and idiots because they buy iPhones. That's is what makes you trolls!

stevan said,

Actually, I have only seen you two using curse words and leaving your caps lock on. He's so quick to type out his essay that he can't put two sentences together. So I don't even bother replying to him. Neither does anyone else for that matter. Apparently his nickname is Mr. Samsung. You've been proven wrong on multiple occasions.

This little anti-apple crusade you two are going on is what makes this forum a bad place for some people. And to add insult to injury, you constantly try to pass off your opinion as facts.

And then the whole name calling, constantly labeling people as iSheeps and idiots because they buy iPhones. That's is what makes you trolls!


And all of the Apple masturbation you do to defent Apple no matter how much evidences we comes with is not trolling?

Yes, we say you are iSheeps in the same way as you / others say we are Fandroids.

We are going on a crusade because no one of you want's to listen to us and because some "typical" and "blind" Apple fans doesn't want to look ouside of the......ehhum, Apple glasses, is not doing the case here better.

Nope, what i'm showing, is not opinions, because it's hard facts. You are free to prove me wrong with your evidences on that.

Have i really been proven wrong?

If yes, then where?

Exynos said,

And all of the Apple masturbation you do to defent Apple no matter how much evidences we comes with is not trolling?

Yes, we say you are iSheeps in the same way as you / others say we are Fandroids.

We are going on a crusade because no one of you want's to listen to us and because some "typical" and "blind" Apple fans doesn't want to look ouside of the......ehhum, Apple glasses, is not doing the case here better.

Nope, what i'm showing, is not opinions, because it's hard facts. You are free to prove me wrong with your evidences on that.

Have i really been proven wrong?

If yes, then where?

Of course I defend Apple, never denied that. Want to know how silly you guys look? This is an article about Android and you two are using it to attack Apple. Pathetic.

And I can't be bothered to dig up proof of you being wrong. My post would be as long as what TechieXP writes. I just recently remember seeing you write how Samsung is going to win against Apple in the latest patent lawsuit. We all know how that turned out.

The whole "Apple is copying...." argument we had earlier was just a great example of how you post opinions and not facts. You were proven wrong on pretty much every excuse you posted.

stevan said,

Of course I defend Apple, never denied that. Want to know how silly you guys look? This is an article about Android and you two are using it to attack Apple. Pathetic.

And I can't be bothered to dig up proof of you being wrong. My post would be as long as what TechieXP writes. I just recently remember seeing you write how Samsung is going to win against Apple in the latest patent lawsuit. We all know how that turned out.


Awwww, such tears just because we actually have fully reasons to burn Apple a bit.

Ahh there we have it, you just admitted that you don't have any proofs. Anyone who stands by their meanings would do everything to defend it.

stevan said,
The whole "Apple is copying...." argument we had earlier was just a great example of how you post opinions and not facts. You were proven wrong on pretty much every excuse you posted.

No, i gave valid reasons why Samsung is copying someone in the same way as Apple is copying someone as much as others do.

This practice is normal on all levels today in the market. This is what drives the developments and market forward.

Exynos said,

Awwww, such tears just because we actually have fully reasons to burn Apple a bit.

Ahh there we have it, you just admitted that you don't have any proofs. Anyone who stands by their meanings would do everything to defend it.

Here, just to prove a quick point:

Not only that, but if Apple would lose this case, Samsung would for sure sue Apple into oblivion for hurting their income on stupid patent trolling. Apple would lose so much money on that then that USA would get really hurt money wise that way.

Do you have any idea just how ridiculous it is to imply that if Apple lost a court case, the economy of US would get hurt?!?!?

You think South Korea got hurt because Samsung has to pay Apple close to a billion dollars? Nope!

This quote is the example of why I and several others have called you and TechieXP trolls! Unbelievable statements that you continuously use as excuses. I will never remember him saying how low LCD supply for retina ipad mini is a lie because all you do is take a larger display and shrink it.

stevan said,

Here, just to prove a quick point:

Do you have any idea just how ridiculous it is to imply that if Apple lost a court case, the economy of US would get hurt?!?!?

You think South Korea got hurt because Samsung has to pay Apple close to a billion dollars? Nope!

This quote is the example of why I and several others have called you and TechieXP trolls! Unbelievable statements that you continuously use as excuses. I will never remember him saying how low LCD supply for retina ipad mini is a lie because all you do is take a larger display and shrink it.


It's not trolls by any means. If you actually do some research on how much influence Apple's income of money have to say for USA in general, then you wouldn't sit here and deny that.

No, South Korea will not be affected a tiny bit by those 888 million dollars from Samsung. However, if Apple had lost this case, it would be quite obvious that Apple have sued Samsung just to hurt their market and income of money just because they could witch is an act that should be punished WAAAAY WAY more harsly than Samsung ever would be punished in a normal court case. Because this is something that shouldn't be allowed to do.

Why do you think Obama did what he did even when it was pretty clear that Samsung had won that case earlier?

He did that because he knew that if Samsung won, they would ban a crap ton of Apple devices from the market there. So it was nothing more than to defend their income balance.

And also at the same time as USA are in a bit of a money crisis to begin with, so you get the idea.

Exynos said,

It's not trolls by any means. If you actually do some research on how much influence Apple's income of money have to say for USA in general, then you wouldn't sit here and deny that.

No, South Korea will not be affected a tiny bit by those 888 million dollars from Samsung. However, if Apple had lost this case, it would be quite obvious that Apple have sued Samsung just to hurt their market and income of money just because they could witch is an act that should be punished WAAAAY WAY more harsly than Samsung ever would be punished in a normal court case. Because this is something that shouldn't be allowed to do.

Why do you think Obama did what he did even when it was pretty clear that Samsung had won that case earlier?

He did that because he knew that if Samsung won, they would ban a crap ton of Apple devices from the market there. So it was nothing more than to defend their income balance.

And also at the same time as USA are in a bit of a money crisis to begin with, so you get the idea.

That's exactly what Apple was going for, Samsung income, the one they got from copying Apple.

And what kind of research did you do? Apple contributes very little to american economy. Most of the jobs are overseas and they pay very little tax. On top of that, US drarfs South Korean economy. You got no clue what you're talking about, I can't believe that I'm even discussing this....

To think that the outcome of patent court cases can somehow hurt the worlds biggest economies is so ridiculous. It just adds to your lost of pathetic excuses.

Thank you for proving my point.

stevan said,

That's exactly what Apple was going for, Samsung income, the one they got from copying Apple.

And what kind of research did you do? Apple contributes very little to american economy. Most of the jobs are overseas and they pay very little tax. On top of that, US drarfs South Korean economy. You got no clue what you're talking about, I can't believe that I'm even discussing this....

To think that the outcome of patent court cases can somehow hurt the worlds biggest economies is so ridiculous. It just adds to your lost of pathetic excuses.

Thank you for proving my point.


First of all, Apple is paying taxes to USA. And when you see how much money Apple is earning each years, USA is earning tons of cashes from just Apple alone that way. You are ofc free to prove me wrong here.

I have been doing good enough research as most who have internet access can do on this.

Ofc, the lesser money Apple earns by not being able to sell it's products, the lesser money USA is going to get from Apple in taxes. This is just pure logic to any normal persons.

So no, you didn't prove any points.

Exynos said,

First of all, Apple is paying taxes to USA. And when you see how much money Apple is earning each years, USA is earning tons of cashes from just Apple alone that way. You are ofc free to prove me wrong here.

I have been doing good enough research as most who have internet access can do on this.

Ofc, the lesser money Apple earns by not being able to sell it's products, the lesser money USA is going to get from Apple in taxes. This is just pure logic to any normal persons.

So no, you didn't prove any points.

Except that legal fines are independed of taxes and earning. You should take a economics 101 class before you come and argue here.

So once again, you're wrong.

And another quick point, Samsung couldn't just turn around and sue Apple for suing them. It's not how a legal system works.

Now that I think about it, you and TechieXP are probably one person with two account, since neither of you have any clue what you're talking about.

stevan said,
And another quick point, Samsung couldn't just turn around and sue Apple for suing them. It's not how a legal system works.

Now that I think about it, you and TechieXP are probably one person with two account, since neither of you have any clue what you're talking about.


Ofc Samsung can sue back if Apple had lost the case as it's pretty clear that it's not allowed to sue others just to hurt their market. Because if the court had found Apple to lose to this case, then it's clear that Apple sued Samsung not to win on patents, but to disrupt Samsung's market so Apple could gain more users and earn even more money.

That's why Samsung would sue Apple into oblivion if Apple had lost the case.

Would you just sit there and do nothing if you found out that one company sued you just to disrupt your market, just because they found it cool to do (in USA that is) ?

Anyways, this case is not over yet.

Exynos said,

Ofc Samsung can sue back if Apple had lost the case as it's pretty clear that it's not allowed to sue others just to hurt their market. Because if the court had found Apple to lose to this case, then it's clear that Apple sued Samsung not to win on patents, but to disrupt Samsung's market so Apple could gain more users and earn even more money.

That's why Samsung would sue Apple into oblivion if Apple had lost the case.

Would you just sit there and do nothing if you found out that one company sued you just to disrupt your market, just because they found it cool to do (in USA that is) ?

Anyways, this case is not over yet.

That's simply not the case. Patent lawsuits don't work that way, you can't just turn around and sue someone because they sued you. Please don't discuss something you have no clue about.

Companies don't sue other companies into oblivion. And definitely not on the scale of Apple or Samsung. It's never happened before and it wouldn't happen.

stevan said,

That's simply not the case. Patent lawsuits don't work that way, you can't just turn around and sue someone because they sued you. Please don't discuss something you have no clue about.

Companies don't sue other companies into oblivion. And definitely not on the scale of Apple or Samsung. It's never happened before and it wouldn't happen.


So, if someone sued you just because they found it cool to do and you lost money because of it, you wouldn't sue them back for hurting your business?

There is a reason why you can sue everyone for everything in USA as no one sues back, so there is nothing to lose by suing others just because they can. So if everyone would sue back, it would actually be better.

Exynos said,

So, if someone sued you just because they found it cool to do and you lost money because of it, you wouldn't sue them back for hurting your business?

There is a reason why you can sue everyone for everything in USA as no one sues back, so there is nothing to lose by suing others just because they can. So if everyone would sue back, it would actually be better.

Again, you're using the words "should" and "would". The fact is they cannot because the system doesn't work that way. You tried to imply that if Apple lost this courtcase, the us economy would be damaged, which is a lie and a preposterous one at that. Then you tried to imply that Samsung would counter sue Apple which also isn't true.

Remember you asking me to prove you wrong? I don't need to because you're doing it yourself. And the you wondered why I called you a troll? It's because you come here and argue about things you don't understand (economic, law system) and try to pass off your opinion as a fact while constantly attacking a company (Apple). Classic example of a troll.

stevan said,

Again, you're using the words "should" and "would". The fact is they cannot because the system doesn't work that way. You tried to imply that if Apple lost this courtcase, the us economy would be damaged, which is a lie and a preposterous one at that. Then you tried to imply that Samsung would counter sue Apple which also isn't true.

Remember you asking me to prove you wrong? I don't need to because you're doing it yourself. And the you wondered why I called you a troll? It's because you come here and argue about things you don't understand (economic, law system) and try to pass off your opinion as a fact while constantly attacking a company (Apple). Classic example of a troll.


In the USA you can get sued for everything. So, your point is still moot.

Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.

stevan said,
Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.

I'd wished this post would be burned into the screens of all those people.

Still cant believe that you want to make me think that by now it would have other performance increases except of calculation overhead

stevan said,
Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.
Its amazing how many people don't understand 64bit.

Here is why we are blasting Apple. Apple has made the OS, force any running app never to exceed 50% of the available RAM. Right now iOS 7 uses over 400MB of the available RAM. Which leaves only 600MB for your apps.

So since most of the apps on iOS are games, lets start there. 64Bit as we know, loads any application into double the memory space. So if you load an app in the iPhones case because it can only run one app at a time on screen and it may have a few in the background, all your RAM space is going to be used. what happens then? That means the OS will again have to pause background tasks where possible. It also means the CPU has to work harder. Why? The CPU first uses it own cache to deal with instructions that are repeated over an over. RAM is used to store the other stuff. If no RAM is available, the CPU will have to continuously run the routine that it cant store. Making the PCU run more, which means it runs hotter, which in turn uses more power, which creates more battery drain, lag and more.

With only 1GB of RAM, the CPU cant run efficient a it was design. It is simple math. Compare that to the Note 3 which has 3GB of RAM. Why you think it can handle so many tasks? RAM.

For a phone that only uses 1 app at a time, maybe 1GB is enough? OR IS IT?
Just as with a PC, a phone will perform the same. Systems with a slower CPU/GPU and more RAM have been found to outperform systems with a faster CU/GPU and less RAM. That is simply fact.

I am not talking software tricks, this is flat out power.
How can you have great performance if you have no room to stretch your legs?
Since the I/Pod/Phone/Pad only do one app at a time then don't worry about it.

You don't understand the benefits of 64bit and thus you don't understand why we are criticizing Apple. The reality is, most of those reskinned 80's games don't use much RAM or power. Thus they can run in double the memory space with no issue.

But please load the latest Infinity Blade. Once you get to fights where you have several moving objects, the animations are slower, you can see the stuttering and he frame rates drop and it is a terrible experience. This wouldn't happen with more RAM. PERIOD. More RAM means the GPU can store the redraws which will run faster from RAM vs trying to push it constantly with the chip itself which is already being taxed for power.

Its that simple.

stevan said,
Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.
Here is what invite you to do...view this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QOaLOapPk4

Now I have the Verizon model of this phone and thus I seem to not have the script that was found. It appears this script only affects the GSM/International models.

What this guy did was, in the Geekbench 3 test, we already know Samsung made a script that forces the CPU to run at full clock during benchmarks. Tests have show this increased performance up to only 10%. So he took off the 10%. Take 10% off 3000 and you get about 2800 or so...right? My phone which is the Verizon model, I scored 921 and 2732. 10% less of his score, but still higher the 5S.

Now wht do you think the scores on the 5S would have been if it had more RAM? I can say with a certainty that the iPhone score would be at least 5% higher if it had more RAM placing it right where the Note is now and it doesn't even have a 64bit processor. So the facts show right here...64bit offers no real advantages.

But more RAM makes a difference even if you don't think so. Why does Windows with 64Bit run better on 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM? Because when an app needs to address double the RAM space and it is not avail, the app can run efficient and thus there is a bottleneck.

What the benchmark shows is also this. The CPU's cache we all know is faster than RAM. One reason it is faster is because the CPU's cache is on the same die with the core. This vs the RAM which can only move data based on the speed of the BUS. I know you know this. However, the cache can only hold do much. So if you take a game which requires multiple redraws with moving graphics, with less RAM available, the system has nowhere to store repetitive info. So what happens? The CPU has to do it and thus the instructions have to wait a few seconds to be process as the CPU tried to kill a previous process. That is why many games slow down or even pause while the CPU tries to catch up. I see this on my 360 all the time. Blur is such a fast paced game, that many times when I am on a track, the background will totally ghost out, yet the car is still moving, Why? Because the 360 which doesn't have a lot of RAM has graphics that is so fast the CPU cant keep up and the GPU cant draw the data fast enough because it has no where to offload data. If the game was able to offload all the graphics data to RAM, the game would run perfect because the graphics would run from memory saving the GPU and CPU to do other things. Its no different on a phone.

with those cheesy iOS reskinned 80's games this doesn't matter. But for a phone that can is pushing a full 1920x1080p screen, that is almost 6" in size, and can run multiple apps on the screen and in the background, the more RAM you have means the phone wont lag when you use more than one app.

The iPhone 5S lags terribly for having a 64bit chipset. Why? RAM. if you still don't get it after this, you are simply a lost cause.

stevan said,
Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.
stevan said,
Quite unbelievable to see that so many people, STILL, believe the only benefit of 64 bit is 4+ GB of ram. Ridiculous.

http://www.viva64.com/en/k/0002/

What advantages do 64-bit processors have over 32-bit ones?

The 3 major benefits of 64bit are as follows -

There are 3 most obvious advantages of 64-bit processors over their 32-bit counterparts: extended address space, capacity increase and bigger number of general-purpose registers.

Since you live on benches, look at this one...iOS 6 vs iOS 7...benefits are maginal, as they are on the desktop - http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobi...e-iOS-6-vs-iOS-7_17646.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4

In both tests, there were 4 things where 64bit show a tremendous advantage. But guess what, you cant see in of that in everyday usage. Find 2 hardcore games on iOS that is also available on Android. Take an iPhone 5S and a Galaxy Note 3 and play the games side by side. I recommended NFS Most Wanted. As they both will be dealing with the same high speed graphics, multiple sprites on the screen and pushes the CPU/GPU up to almost full clock. See which one gives you better performance even where 64bit doesn't help because its a 32bit game. Watch what you get. I have done it you should too.


I just recently downloaded the SDk for iOS 7 to bring apps up to 64bit. I have 4 coded apps I made for my company that we use inhouse. The ne major one I made is we use Lotus Notes not Exchange. And we work with dull databases. Lotus doesn't make a mobile app that allows people with a smartphone to work with anything outside of mail and calendar. So I made an app that suncs with 2 of the database we use most, One is for projects and the other is the affiliates. These databases are huge. The affltaes have over 4000 entries and the projects contain obet 5.5GB of project data. In my app, I scaled the app to only pull projects that fall in a certain date range... the default is 15 days. THis drops the database size down to about 1.2GB. Problem? on IOS with only 1GB or RAm, I can't offload the database to RAm like I can on Android. With Android I have mad eit do when the application drops all the products outside the 15 day range, it actually temporarily downloads the database to the device over time. when the app is opened, it loads the database into RAM. It is a slow load, but after it loads it is worth it, because even project manager can see not only his work but help worth in other projects. When info is update it is seen in almost real time because in RAM, I can update info without reloading the whole database. We have 10 PM's that work on literally 100 projects or more in a given week. That is a lot of data. ON iOS I am forced to keep the database at 256MB or no more than 512MB, because the OS uses the other 1/2. So far 64bit fails because the database on the 64bit chip would load double the RAM and it is simply not available. So not only does it take a performance hit, I also can't display as much info. In fact, for out iOS app, I have to make it so if you need to load more data, it has to drop he previous data from RAM. Which means when you want to go back, you must load it again. On a 4G connection it is tedious and long. Now what 64bit has been good for is this. The data is compressed. Thanks to the 64bit power, it uncompresses the data a bit faster. But this doesn't matter, because in Android and I can uncompressed more data in roughly the same amount of time.

Now I have given you some idea of a real world experience where it makes a huge difference.

What actually amazes me is the screen res of the aforementioned S5. It says that it can be up to 2560 x 1440. Something quite ridiculous high!!!

Jose_49 said,
What actually amazes me is the screen res of the aforementioned S5. It says that it can be up to 2560 x 1440. Something quite ridiculous high!!!

Dial it back and reap the battery life benefits. That's what they should do.

rfirth said,

Dial it back and reap the battery life benefits. That's what they should do.

Firt off, to deal with extra power consumption is easy. FIrst off you make the chip efficient. If you hand an Android phone, you could literally see, the screen uses more power than even the CPU, until you are under heavy load. Remedy? Simply make the battery bigger.

I mean how do you get more mileage out a tank of gas, make the engine more efficient, but also increase the gas tank size to hold more juice.

The reality of fact is as mobile devices get more powerful they are going to need more power. The battery has been the most evolutionary device ever made. In fact, smartphones are more power than some desktops and yet it runs on a battery for much longer.

Also, the device comes with a charger. I bet my GN3 charges faster than an iDevice, thanks to its USB 3.0 port.

Good to see that Samsung isn't about rushing some products out to the market just to be first and to have a bragging rights over that. It's good to see that Samsung and other Android phone manufacturers are taking their time to release phones with 64-bit CPU's when they rather have a good reason to do it and when they see that they can take the full advantages of the 64-bit CPU and not just to let some few selected apps today to run on that and that's it.

Mr.XXIV said,
"Good to see that Samsung isn't about rushing some products out to the market.."

Holy crap.


I said 'some' products. Did you miss that?

Exynos said,
Good to see that Samsung isn't about rushing some products out to the market just to be first and to have a bragging rights over that. It's good to see that Samsung and other Android phone manufacturers are taking their time to release phones with 64-bit CPU's when they rather have a good reason to do it and when they see that they can take the full advantages of the 64-bit CPU and not just to let some few selected apps today to run on that and that's it.

Exactly. Why be first when you can copy.

Exynos said,

Like Apple copied Intel and AMD when Apple started to use 64-bit CPU's?

On smartphones?

Did they also copy Microsoft with 64-bit apps?.....on smartphones?

stevan said,

You failed the first time, nice try 2nd time.


Or when Apple copied the whole smartphone concept from the other manufacturers?

I hope you see where your gibberish about Samsung copying Apple is going when everyone copies everyone as the Phonedog link explains.

Exynos said,

Or when Apple copied the whole smartphone concept from the other manufacturers.

Yes, and then those manufacturers rightfully sued Apple....oh wait!

stevan said,

Very small companies have sued Apple for infringing on their patents or products. And they won, meaning Apple copied them and then rightfully paid for it.

If Apple copied Samsung or Sony or LG, they would sue, and probably win. That's the reality. Samsung so blatantly copied Apple that they had no choice but to sue. And they will probably win.

I may be an Apple fan but at least I'm not blind.


Yes, some small companies have sued Apple and won against them. But just because they won that case against Apple, it doesn't automaticly means that the patents they have used against Apple is meant to be used in that way, or that the patents have been patented in the right way. You have to be open minded and see throuh the fingers and see if the patents really should have been patented and used against others in the court room.

Patents are to protect innovations and not to hurt the market as it does now. Apple didn't innovate the concept of 'slide-to-unlock' just to give you an example. So why are Apple suing others and get the patents for it when Apple didn't create the whole idea behind 'slide-to-unlock' feature?

It was Neonode who innovated the idea behin 'slide-to-unlock. Just take a look here: seekingalpha.com/article/1384161-neonode-strikes-down-apples-slide-to-unlock-patent-for-the-third-time

No, Samsung and Sony are not patenttrolls and goes out to sue everyone for everything. There needs to be some bigger stuffs going on before Samsung or Sony sues Apple or others just to take an example. The suing from Samsung against Apple the last years is nothing more than just to defend them self from Apple.

Just because Samsung, Sony or even Apple patent something, it doesn't mean it should have been patented or that it's a right thing to do. You simply have to look between the fingers and see what the ideas behind the patents are and see if the main cause to patent those things are to protect an innovation to to hurt the market.

While I agree with you ethically in many ways, it's important to remember that what Apple achieved was done legally. Apple made several wise business decisions that gave them near total control of compact touch-display technology in 2006, and thus allowed them to prototype and patent while the competition remained component starved.

In hindsight, a touch glass panel on a phone is obvious, and even in 2007, I think there was some reasonable expectation someone would develop like-devices soon enough. This is where I agree that Apple did not 'create' the 'rounded rectangle.'

However, they did beat many on the patent market by a solid year by having a head start that they're entitled to profit from. Had Samsung or any other company been privy enough to secure the same component arrangements, they would likely be equally reviled for those business practices.

People talk about 'copying,' but that's not the heart of the argument. Apple's argument seems to be that by harnessing the funds available to them, they played by the law and patented the proper technologies before any competitor could, and Samsung is legally obligated to pay dues for Apple's foresight/R&D. Again, it's more than the obvious rubberband scrolling concepts -- Apple was able to demonstrate how it would function and how those finger movements would be heuristically analyzed and understood by the phone itself. Unlike their competition, Apple could describe basic functions in technical meticulous detail as they interacted between components by virtue of their headstart. Again, no feat of magic or genius, but a very smart use of their huge bankroll to corner emerging component markets for a solid year.*

*Which is not an illegal monopoly yet because there was no established consumer base to harm yet (among other reasons).

AeonicVision said,
While I agree with you ethically in many ways, it's important to remember that what Apple achieved was done legally. Apple made several wise business decisions that gave them near total control of compact touch-display technology in 2006, and thus allowed them to prototype and patent while the competition remained component starved.

In hindsight, a touch glass panel on a phone is obvious, and even in 2007, I think there was some reasonable expectation someone would develop like-devices soon enough. This is where I agree that Apple did not 'create' the 'rounded rectangle.'

However, they did beat many on the patent market by a solid year by having a head start that they're entitled to profit from. Had Samsung or any other company been privy enough to secure the same component arrangements, they would likely be equally reviled for those business practices.

People talk about 'copying,' but that's not the heart of the argument. Apple's argument seems to be that by harnessing the funds available to them, they played by the law and patented the proper technologies before any competitor could, and Samsung is legally obligated to pay dues for Apple's foresight/R&D. Again, it's more than the obvious rubberband scrolling concepts -- Apple was able to demonstrate how it would function and how those finger movements would be heuristically analyzed and understood by the phone itself. Unlike their competition, Apple could describe basic functions in technical meticulous detail as they interacted between components by virtue of their headstart. Again, no feat of magic or genius, but a very smart use of their huge bankroll to corner emerging component markets for a solid year.*

*Which is not an illegal monopoly yet because there was no established consumer base to harm yet (among other reasons).


While i see your points here, then i have to ask you this question.

When the case Apple have with the 'slide-to-unlock' thing is getting burned down in every part of the world except for USA, don't you think that it's pretty damn strange that Apple gets to hold this patent in USA when it's obvious not their idea and absolutely something that Apple have never invented?

Why do you think Apple's case with that is getting laughed pretty hard at in the whole europe and why do you think it's getting invalidated everywhere except for USA?

Why is Apple allowed to mess with this when it's been deemed invalid to Apple pretty much everywhere in the world where the case have been up to?

Edited by Exynos, Nov 21 2013, 3:14am :

Because our patent laws have not adapted to software use. Not saying it's a good reason, but it is a valid reason =\
Our laws will change with time, as they should, but Apple is entitled to charge Samsung until then. The laws are still in effect.

Exynos said,

While i see your points here, then i have to ask you this question.

When the case Apple have with the 'slide-to-unlock' thing is getting burned down in every part of the world except for USA, don't you think that it's pretty damn strange that Apple gets to hold this patent in USA when it's obvious not their idea and absolutely something that Apple have never invented?

Why do you think Apple's case with that is getting laughed pretty hard at in the whole europe and why do you think it's getting invalidated everywhere except for USA?

Why is Apple allowed to mess with this when it's been deemed invalid to Apple pretty much everywhere in the world where the case have been up to?

I know you're not asking me, but I was under the impression that it was originally validated because Apple's implementation for slide to unlock was completely different from Neonode's. With Apple's version, you slide a graphic from left to right along a track until it reaches the end. With Neonode's version just swiping (no graphic) from left to right meant, "yes," and right to left meant, "no." So if you received a phone call that you didn't want to answer, you would swipe from right to left. If you wanted to unlock your phone, you would swipe left to right. Swiping the other direction would keep your phone locked.

But I guess that wasn't the case since it's getting shot down around there world except for here.

stevan said,

Exactly. Why be first when you can copy.

Copying what? apples 64 bit processor... they didnt MAKE the frigging thing. Its not like Apple went out and built there own instruction sets and that they licensed it and incorporated it into there processor. Just cus there first means nothing, all it means is there desperate for something else to market for there pathetic iphones. Tbh with windows phone i highly doubt itll be hard for MS to "flick a switch" and turn on 64bit, seeing as they build em for a living

stevan said,

Exactly. Why be first when you can copy.

My be foolish when you can be smart. Apple...foolish to rush to beat everyone when they weren't v=even ready. Crashing apps, laggy OS, 4 updates in only 2 months to fix all the broken crap that shouldn't even have been broken in the first place. Yes we can expect some issues, but these should have never been if everything was tested.

Apple so worried about being first because they are always NOT, that they totally messed up by for the 4th year in a row, release a sub-standard product riddled with issues.

I bought my Galaxy Note 3 and so far it hasn't had one single issues. NOT ONE!!! Price? Same as an iPhone. Yet it does more. It is typical that products that do more tend to have MORE problems. Like Windows vs OS X. But yet, the Galaxy devices have bee getting better marks for ease of use and overall performance and benefits vs iPhone. Hmmm!

See you bias will only hamper you. You keep sticking with the one trick pony.

Android users really..really don't know how to put up a logical fight. Your Note 3, which is new and doesn't have a different version of anything, has nothing to do with the general Androids out there.

Mr.XXIV said,
Android users really..really don't know how to put up a logical fight. Your Note 3, which is new and doesn't have a different version of anything, has nothing to do with the general Androids out there.

Don't worry, no one listens or reads his essays. He comes very late into discussions and posts lies. I have proven him wrong so many times that I'm tired of it already.

To be honest, still useless for a phone equipped with 1-2 GB of RAM I think. I could see a tablet equipped with 4 GB of RAM using one of these ARM 64-bit CPU though.

The main reason to go to 64-bit at this point is actually because ARM's 64-bit instruction set is a big improvement over the legacy instruction set.

myxomatosis said,
To be honest, still useless for a phone equipped with 1-2 GB of RAM I think. I could see a tablet equipped with 4 GB of RAM using one of these ARM 64-bit CPU though.
Unlike the desktop CPU move, this move is not pushed by memory limits. Stetson hit the nail right on the head.

It's more complicated for them though, they don't control the OS so they have to make sure Google is on board too. A 64bit chip with a 32bit OS is useless

They do not need to say me too, after Apple made their teaks to their ARM cpu they asked Samsung to fab them. Its not like Samsung is in the dark.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A7

This is most likely a time exclusive (my guess), there is no reason why they can not fab their own 64 bit other then the reason that Apple asked Samsung to "hold their own 64 ". A reason Samsung would do this is to make the money from the contract in the meantime while Android prepped for 64 bit.

Anyhow when you get past the marketing, 64 bit cpus are geared to address more memory such as 4+GB. The iPhone 5s has 1GB while the Android Note 3 uses 3GB+, the iphone is really not taking any advantage of being 64 at the moment. The only benefit is to get a head start on getting the DEV's on board to port their apps before an iphone will actually benefit from it. I do understand the 64 bit instruction set is also improved.

I do have to say it was nice to see Apple release the CPU, phone, 64 bit OS and 64 app binaries in one step and push it. I love the attention its bringing to 64 bit even though we all know Apple had nothing to do with 64 bit. =)

1WayJonny said,
They do not need to say me too, after Apple made their teaks to their ARM cpu they asked Samsung to fab them. Its not like Samsung is in the dark.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A7

This is most likely a time exclusive (my guess), there is no reason why they can not fab their own 64 bit other then the reason that Apple asked Samsung to "hold their own 64 ". A reason Samsung would do this is to make the money from the contract in the meantime while Android prepped for 64 bit.

Anyhow when you get past the marketing, 64 bit cpus are geared to address more memory such as 4+GB. The iPhone 5s has 1GB while the Android Note 3 uses 3GB+, the iphone is really not taking any advantage of being 64 at the moment. The only benefit is to get a head start on getting the DEV's on board to port their apps before an iphone will actually benefit from it. I do understand the 64 bit instruction set is also improved.

I do have to say it was nice to see Apple release the CPU, phone, 64 bit OS and 64 app binaries in one step and push it. I love the attention its bringing to 64 bit even though we all know Apple had nothing to do with 64 bit. =)

The Samsung fab part of the company is of course tied to a contract in which Apple makes clear that Samsung does not gain advantage with knowledge of the chip design.

Oh and please just read about the benefits of having a 64-bit processor AND a 64-bit OS, there are plenty of articles providing clear information for the common nerd to understand the benefits. Stop spreading that ridiculous fud even though this is Neowin. Admit they did something good. By the time Android is fully 64 bit on all phones sold we'll (probably) be 10 years from here.

einsteinbqat said,
Samsung just want to say "me too".

Not true at all. The ARMv8 architecture itself is 64-bit. Anyone and everyone who makes ARM processors will be making 64-bit processors by the very nature of moving from the exiting ARMv7 to the new ARMv8. Somebody had to be first with ARMv8 and it just by chance happened to be Apple.

EVERYONE was already well on their way down this path so to say that people are doing it as a "me too" response to Apple is just downright ignorant on so many levels.

david13lt said,
It depends very much on application, but for some wide registers could increase performance.

Not when it takes 4x as much space to store an integer. You don't need 128 bits of precision, you don't need a 128 bit address space, you don't need the additional instructions, you don't need the extra wires, power consumption, and heat. It'd cause an explosion in the number of transistors required.

Wish they made it so a phones CPU/RAM could just be swapped for a newer one just by removing the battery cover/battery and pulling/swapping the chips.

Nice to see mobile device OSs are going to be compiled in 64-bit, this will only aid in the unification of desktop and mobile OSs into one.

Well, it is (and I'm not a Apple hater, I own a rMBP).
Problem is... Apple tries to sell its iPhone5s by using the argument that it's the first 64-bit phone on the market, and by explaining how it is better and faster than all the previous 32-bit iPhones and how it is better than all the Windows/Android phones on the market

Problem? The iPhone 5s has 1 GB of RAM. A 64-bit CPU won't automatically makes your apps run faster... in fact in most case they will sometimes run slighty slower for some reasons.

The big advantage of having a 64-bit CPU? 4 GB+ of RAM. We will soon see phones/tablet equipped with 4 GB+ of RAM, and this type of CPU will make sense... but for now, it's smoke and mirrors. Most iPhones apps from the app store aren't even compiled in 64-bit... I guess native apps are, but that's it...

The situation reminds me when AMD released the first 64-bit "x86/x64" CPU (Athlon 64). There wasn't any app compiled in 64-bit, Windows XP 64-bit wasn't even existing commercially, yet AMd was using the argument that its 64-bit CPU was the real deal because... it was a 64-bit CPU.

Well, at least, not yet. Native apps, iOS 7, and Infinity Blade 3 are compiled in 64-bit

I guess most people don't use apps that don't need 64-bit. I mean, reminders app in 64-bit? But for design or things that require high processing power (like video rendering), then it will definitely benefit, even without 4GB of RAM

myxomatosis said,
The big advantage of having a 64-bit CPU? 4 GB+ of RAM. We will soon see phones/tablet equipped with 4 GB+ of RAM, and this type of CPU will make sense... but for now, it's smoke and mirrors. Most iPhones apps from the app store aren't even compiled in 64-bit... I guess native apps are, but that's it...

Nope. Not even close. The 32-bit devices were also able to address more than 4GB of RAM. RAM has nothing to do with 64-bit being a big advantage.

It's a big advantage because it's a new ISA, has twice the registers, and fixed sloppy mistakes that were in the 32-bit ISA.

Mr.XXIV said,
Oh, but when Apple does it, for the first time in history, it's apparently a gimmick.

It still is until your phones come with 4GB ram.

Mr.XXIV said,
Oh, but when Apple does it, for the first time in history, it's apparently a gimmick.
Yes...especially when it is being used as a sales pitch.

"Oh look our phone is 99.9% the same as last years model. But look. We gave you a biometric sensor and the first 64bit smartphone."

Disclaimer - Please be aware that even though we said your apps will be compatible, many aren't. They will crash, freeze, refuse to open, stutter and behave in ways you never would expect on iOS.

Ishanx said,
Why are you trying to start an Apple vs rest of the world thing here? He didn't even mention Apple.

The same reason he tries to start a Microsoft vs Sony thing everywhere else.

Oh, don't be a hypocrite. And it's pretty obvious, who has the first 64-bit right now, that people wanted to talk smack about? Who was talking smack about it? Android users, and now that Android will soon have it, Android users will praise it all of a sudden.