Samsung's Tizen phone coming later this year; threat to Windows Phone?

In September 2011, it was announced that MeeGo, a Linux-based open source mobile operating system championed at one point by Nokia, was being retired in favor of an all new open source OS, Tizen. Now Samsung has confirmed it plans to launch a Tizen-based smartphone later this year, and it could be a rival to Microsoft's Windows Phone platform.

Bloomberg reports that Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of Samsung’s mobile business, said, "The Tizen phone will be out in August or September, and this will be in the high-end category ... the device will be the best product equipped with the best specifications."

Tizen is being developed with the help of a number of companies, including Samsung, Intel and Sprint. So far, no Tizen smartphones have been launched, but Huawei also has plans to launch its own Tizen smartphone, though it hasn't given a timeline.

The fact that Samsung wants to launch a high-end Tizen smartphone, along the lines of the company's just announced Galaxy S IV, could show that the company is aiming to launch a major new competitor in the mobile OS race. That could spell trouble for Microsoft, which has made some recent gains with its Windows Phone OS but still lags well behind Android and iOS.

One analyst recently speculated that Samsung, which also makes Windows Phone devices, is deliberately taking development resources away from Microsoft so that Samsung's Tizen smartphone can have a better shot at success.

Source: Bloomberg | Image via Tizen

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Wow, even more clueless huh?


Samsung sells upwards of 80% of all android phones in the world, Motorola/google aren't going to go anywhere with any xphone - it will end up like the nexus a very niche device only a few people are buying.

Again, must be nice to predict the future as Google gave out no info about the X project/team. How do you know what Google is cooking up and if it is going to not go anywhere?


The majority of these oems aren't making much off android anyway with HTC looking like it is about to go bankupt, so it may make sense for them to jump off the android ship all together.

Again, this is NOT about them using Android. Dont you get that? If it was about Androud, Samsung wouldnt be doing as well as they are. Samsung just producing good hardware/software comsumers like.


Let google and their Motorola division sell their x-phone. Motorola Mobility is bleeding cash and their devices are complete crap - and even google exec's themselves said that what is in the pipeline from Motrola was not really devices they would consider to be amazing.

Do you really think Google will release phones based of the old/current Motorola model? Seriously? Why would they do this since it is know that Motorola hardware isnt selling well. They will most likey redesign the devices. Just another clueless comment.


Google isn't about to throw billions more into android when they simply have made very little money from the OS.

Google never planned on making a ton from the Android OS. It makes its money from ADVERTISING. Get a clue.


They wasted billions on Motorola and recently laid off 4000+ employees from motrola; they are ramping Motorola down not up and plan to shut it down once they realize its not profitable. Microsoft makes more off android every year - 500+ million plus on patent licensing fees than google has made off android in the last 5+ years. Ad revenue from mobile is pitiful compared to revenue from the desktop/laptop market, and google makes more off advertising revenue from the Iphone apps they have than from android itself.

Its called company restructuring. This happens ALL THE TIME when companies merge. And Google is not going to shut down Motorola anytime soon.


Google knows it, everyone does Android had its nice run but its all but dead.

You know it and claim that everyone else does. There, I corrected that for you. Now excuse me since I seem to got stuck in my bubble again and I have socks to sort.

techbeck said,
Wow, even more clueless huh?

Again, must be nice to predict the future as Google gave out no info about the X project/team. How do you know what Google is cooking up and if it is going to not go anywhere?

Again, this is NOT about them using Android. Dont you get that? If it was about Androud, Samsung wouldnt be doing as well as they are. Samsung just producing good hardware/software comsumers like.

Do you really think Google will release phones based of the old/current Motorola model? Seriously? Why would they do this since it is know that Motorola hardware isnt selling well. They will most likey redesign the devices. Just another clueless comment.

Google never planned on making a ton from the Android OS. It makes its money from ADVERTISING. Get a clue.

Its called company restructuring. This happens ALL THE TIME when companies merge. And Google is not going to shut down Motorola anytime soon.

You know it and claim that everyone else does. There, I corrected that for you. Now excuse me since I seem to got stuck in my bubble again and I have socks to sort.

Here's a clue for you, what hardware has google ever released that has sold any numbers at all? Clue #1 = ZERO.

What hardware have Motorola recently released that has sold any numbers at all? Clue #2 = ZERO.

And so with your math we will add ZERO + ZERO and get an answer of #1 oem? Yup you are clueless.

NO ONE wanted to buy Motorola Mobility, they simply lack any innovation. Google bought them hoping to use some of those patents to fight Apple and Microsoft with. Turns out all those patents are standard essential patents and Google cant use them in litigation. Google overpaid and now has to show investors this loser division is capable of producing something. Motorola will put out a token device that is pure s*** to appease investors that Motorola was a good buy.

Google's only product is advertising, they aren't known for making anything worth a **** that is profitable other than spamming people on websites with useless ads about Viagra. They make 87% of their profits from ads, that's all they do, now all of a sudden they will be making some world class hardware? They couldn't do it with any of their previous Nexus devices they partnered with HTC and LG with, why can they do it now with the bankrupted and failure Motorola Mobility? That's another clue for you.

Look at Googles recent comments they stated it will take another 18 months to get Motorola's designs up to par where they want them. In under 6 months Samsung will have Tizen devices out running on likely the Galaxy S 5. In 18 months there will be no android market to worry about for Motorola or all the employees there that will be laid off. Motorola hasn't been able to innovate any worthwhile design in 7+ years, now under googles advertising juggernaut guidance they will miraculously create some great Nexus device? Hasn't worked for the other nexus devices but sure this one might do it. Motrola/Google do not have the capacity to create that many devices for one, two it costs a lot of money to make hardware which Google has shown no interest in and pulls out of projects once they realize how expensive they get, three they simply will not have anything innovative that consumers will flock to.

Google hasn't made more than $200 million from their own statements in the recent Apple Samsung lawsuit, and that's been 4+ years. There is no profit here, it costs much more to run the Android division, employees, research than the $200 million they have made. They recently in their last financial statements said as much - mobile advertising is not bringing in the numbers they hoped it would, and that they are making considerably more from the Apple ecosystem. We all known google makes money from spyware and adware - you don't need to tell anyone that, its well known they are the scumbags of the internet.

No its not called company restructuring, its called ramping it down to stop the bleeding of money. Motorola was a purchase for patents not any talent, and so they intend to fire them all off. Now they are trying to appease investors with some so called x-phone that will be another Nexus dud that wont sell more than a handful of devices. A x-phone will not be any savior or replacement for Samsung once they leave android it will be the beginning of the demise for android.

pgn said,
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Note going to comment anymore. I made my point and your arguments are based off of assumptions and not real data/facts. And the few facts you do post are inaccurate. Instead, you base your arguments off of pure hate. You also apparently do not read what I am posting since you claimed a few times i said something which I did not. Your hate for something you know nothing about is astounding.

Enjoy yourself and have a good day.

EDIT: I will say one thing tho. Yes, Google makes most of their money off ads. No secrete and thats what they always do. But to say that they cannot make and produce good hardware just further shows you rather hate on something instead of seeing whats going on. MS never made computer hardware either but they seem to be doing well with that according to how well you have been praising MS/surface in other threads and pointing out the profit MS will make. So if MS can do it, why not Google? The first XBOX didnt do so how and MS came back with the 360 that is doing great. Companies do not necessarily hit a home run the first time out. Google has a plan wiht Motorola and it is obvious they do. Its not that no one wanted them, its that maybe no one knew how to use them and needed them as much as Google. And their partnerships with HTC and others on the nexus line was not about them profiting. If you are confused why they did this, then do some reading.

Its hard to have a convo with someone whose hate blinds them to seeing anything other than what they think. But anyway, have a good day.

techbeck said,

Note going to comment anymore. I made my point and your arguments are based off of assumptions and not real data/facts. And the few facts you do post are inaccurate. Instead, you base your arguments off of pure hate. You also apparently do not read what I am posting since you claimed a few times i said something which I did not. Your hate for something you know nothing about is astounding.

Enjoy yourself and have a good day.

EDIT: I will say one thing tho. Yes, Google makes most of their money off ads. No secrete and thats what they always do. But to say that they cannot make and produce good hardware just further shows you rather hate on something instead of seeing whats going on. MS never made computer hardware either but they seem to be doing well with that according to how well you have been praising MS/surface in other threads and pointing out the profit MS will make. So if MS can do it, why not Google? The first XBOX didnt do so how and MS came back with the 360 that is doing great. Companies do not necessarily hit a home run the first time out. Google has a plan wiht Motorola and it is obvious they do. Its not that no one wanted them, its that maybe no one knew how to use them and needed them as much as Google. And their partnerships with HTC and others on the nexus line was not about them profiting. If you are confused why they did this, then do some reading.

Its hard to have a convo with someone whose hate blinds them to seeing anything other than what they think. But anyway, have a good day.

MS has been in the computer industry for over 40+ years. Look up the MSX - they partnered with several companies in the 1980's to make computers. They have also made computer accessories (keyboard, mice, sidewinder joystic) from the 90's to today, they've made the zune,, xbox 1, xbox 360, and now the surface. This isn't their first rodeo.

Google has no history of making any hardware, sure they are just beginning and they may make something great but not with Motorola they wont. Motorola Mobility was bankrupt and no one wanted to buy them, they were a charity case that Google paid into and now realize was a bad idea. Look at their pricing too - google glass at $1500, the chrome pixel at $1200+, on one but a tiny handful are interested in any of those products at those prices. Google lacks the capacity to bring down prices to reasonable levels and thus will not be able to compete with other oems. The only capacity google has to drop prices is by using adware so maybe that is how they intend to subsidize prices - spam end users with ads.

pgn said,

MS has been in the computer industry for over 40+ years. Look up the MSX - they partnered with several companies in the 1980's to make computers. They have also made computer accessories (keyboard, mice, sidewinder joystic) from the 90's to today, they've made the zune,, xbox 1, xbox 360, and now the surface. This isn't their first rodeo.

Google has no history of making any hardware, sure they are just beginning and they may make something great but not with Motorola they wont. Motorola Mobility was bankrupt and no one wanted to buy them, they were a charity case that Google paid into and now realize was a bad idea. Look at their pricing too - google glass at $1500, the chrome pixel at $1200+, on one but a tiny handful are interested in any of those products at those prices. Google lacks the capacity to bring down prices to reasonable levels and thus will not be able to compete with other oems. The only capacity google has to drop prices is by using adware so maybe that is how they intend to subsidize prices - spam end users with ads.

Zune - considered a failed product
XBOX 1 - didnt do so hot
hardware accessories do not compare to things like computers/smartphones/tablets.
Surface - good device that seems to be doing well.

I remember when LG and other companies started to produce different products/hardware. They didnt have a lot of experience and were considered low end devices. Now LG is considered high end and are doing well. To say Google cannot do the same is just the hate blinding you. Yeas, Chrome OS is priced to high but Google Glass is a new product and nothing like it is out. Products like these, and from other companes other than Google, that are new are always more espensive at first. The price will drop.

techbeck said,

Zune - considered a failed product
XBOX 1 - didnt do so hot
hardware accessories do not compare to things like computers/smartphones/tablets.
Surface - good device that seems to be doing well.

I remember when LG and other companies started to produce different products/hardware. They didnt have a lot of experience and were considered low end devices. Now LG is considered high end and are doing well. To say Google cannot do the same is just the hate blinding you. Yeas, Chrome OS is priced to high but Google Glass is a new product and nothing like it is out. Products like these, and from other companes other than Google, that are new are always more espensive at first. The price will drop.

Zune 1 failed because iPod was too entrenched, technically it was superior in everyway. It failed because MS never pushed it outside the US, limited distribution and complete lack of pushing the product.

Xbox 1 again technically a better product, it certainly was not a failure; it was able to pick off 30+ million users from entrenched Sony fans and it helped build a base for the successful Xbox 360.

Keyboard, mice are starting points to building systems, once you have the basics of user input down slapping a cpu and screen into a box isn't going to be that much more challenging. It also gets you to understand retail, packing, distribution, pricing considerations.

Surface - not an ipad killer but doing very well profitability wise, the hardware is solid, Windows 8 still needs some work. This has already become Microsofts next billion dollar product in under 5 months.

LG has been in consumer electronics for decades, they make just a many products as Samsung does. They have been selling phones since the early 90's if not earlier. You would see LG's phones look very similar to Samsungs and wonder who copied who. LG in my opinion makes crap, the latest nexus device isn't that great or high end. It feels like its poorly made sure the specs are great but the actual feel of the device is lacking and does no give the impression of high end. LG is actually pulling out of the smartphone market and putting out less devices.

Google cant do the same, Motorola Mobility isn't the same company it was when it was making phones people wanted. Google stated as much recently that the last 18 months of product pipeline was not up to the standards they want, and that it will take another 18 months to get to where they would like. In 18 months the market will change completely, Motorola is not able to innovate at a pace fast enough to keep up with companies like Samsung.

Google Glass at this point is vaporware, it serves no real purpose other than being an entertaining toy that is priced too high to consider. The Nexus Q was also supposed to be released and google pulled that before it went to market. All the hardware Google has out is put out by partner companies that are willing to front the costs, not once has Google been wiling to manufacture on their own, unless they do eventually come out with an x-phone; which I highly doubt. They need investors to believe Motorola was a smart acquisition, they may release the phone in limited numbers and eventually pull it from market before they bleed too much money then proclaim Motrola served its purpose and shut them down.

pgn said,

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Are you really making excuses for MS failed products? Doesnt matter the excuse, they failed and my point is not everyone hits a home run first, second, or third time out. But according to do, if they fail once they will always be considered crap and never have a chance to do better. I guess all of Microsofts products from lets say, after WinME is crap then. Imagine what would happen if everyone stopped making products the first time they failed. We wouldnt have anything.

And why you defending my comment on the Surface? I was saying the Surface was a good product.

And since you dont like LG, doesnt mean they are not considered high end and my point still stands.

Google and motorola can do well. For a while, Google has been letting Motorola run on its own with real no input. So yea, they last 18 months of products were not good and Google had no influene on them. And Google is cooking up something big. Two poeple in high positions just went ot the X team. So something is up, what is still unknown.

techbeck said,

Are you really making excuses for MS failed products? Doesnt matter the excuse, they failed and my point is not everyone hits a home run first, second, or third time out. But according to do, if they fail once they will always be considered crap and never have a chance to do better. I guess all of Microsofts products from lets say, after WinME is crap then. Imagine what would happen if everyone stopped making products the first time they failed. We wouldnt have anything.

And why you defending my comment on the Surface? I was saying the Surface was a good product.

And since you dont like LG, doesnt mean they are not considered high end and my point still stands.

Google and motorola can do well. For a while, Google has been letting Motorola run on its own with real no input. So yea, they last 18 months of products were not good and Google had no influene on them. And Google is cooking up something big. Two poeple in high positions just went ot the X team. So something is up, what is still unknown.

What excuse? I don't think I made any excuses. Simply that there is an evolution. No company that has very limited hardware experience is going to make a steller product the first time. You stating the xphone by Google which has made zero hardware and their acquisition Motorola that has made nothing but failure products for the past 7+ years is the exact point. They simply have no history of ever making anything worthwhile in recent history; what makes you think their first joint attempt at an x-phone is going to fill the void of Samsung moving to tizen? By the time Google+Motorola can make anything worth a damn Samsung will be selling Galaxy S 7 devices and have the market with Tizen. There is no OEM able to supplant Samsung if and WHEN they do jump off the android sinking ship. That's why I call Android the next burning platform.

pgn said,

What excuse? I don't think I made any excuses. Simply that there is an evolution. No company that has very limited hardware experience is going to make a steller product the first time. You stating the xphone by Google which has made zero hardware and their acquisition Motorola that has made nothing but failure products for the past 7+ years is the exact point. They simply have no history of ever making anything worthwhile in recent history; what makes you think their first joint attempt at an x-phone is going to fill the void of Samsung moving to tizen? By the time Google+Motorola can make anything worth a damn Samsung will be selling Galaxy S 7 devices and have the market with Tizen. There is no OEM able to supplant Samsung if and WHEN they do jump off the android sinking ship. That's why I call Android the next burning platform.

Getting tired of correcting you here....

I never said Google's first attempt is going to be an amazing hit. I said to wait and see what they have planned. Who knows if it will be a phone or what. Nothing has been said in this at all.

Motorola is not Google or the other way around. Motorola was bought out because they were failing, like many other companies have in the past. Sometimes the companies keep the brand if they do well, sometimes they desolve the brand if they dont do well. To early to tell but you cannot compare the Motorola of the past to the present/future. Wont be the same and no one knows what it will be like.

You are trying to predict the future with little to nothing ot back it up and based on old facts and figures.

And what excuses? You said the reason why Zune was a failed product was because the iPod was entrenched and MS didnt market it outside the US. So it is Microsofts fault, and theirs alone, that it didnt do well. If it was a superior product and MS marketed it correctly, it would of done well. Fact is, it didnt. Android, Surface, and others have all done well/decent going up against well entrenched products and are not considered failures. Some products are failures, get over it. Nature of the game.

techbeck said,

Getting tired of correcting you here....

I never said Google's first attempt is going to be an amazing hit. I said to wait and see what they have planned. Who knows if it will be a phone or what. Nothing has been said in this at all.

Motorola is not Google or the other way around. Motorola was bought out because they were failing, like many other companies have in the past. Sometimes the companies keep the brand if they do well, sometimes they desolve the brand if they dont do well. To early to tell but you cannot compare the Motorola of the past to the present/future. Wont be the same and no one knows what it will be like.

You are trying to predict the future with little to nothing ot back it up and based on old facts and figures.

And what excuses? You said the reason why Zune was a failed product was because the iPod was entrenched and MS didnt market it outside the US. So it is Microsofts fault, and theirs alone, that it didnt do well. If it was a superior product and MS marketed it correctly, it would of done well. Fact is, it didnt. Android, Surface, and others have all done well/decent going up against well entrenched products and are not considered failures. Some products are failures, get over it. Nature of the game.

Looking at historical data certainly allows you to see possible outcomes, maybe you just blindly like to hope that things will change without considering why things are the way they are. Motorola is a failure because they lack innovation, nothing is going to change that situation anytime soon. The amount of time it will take Goog/Moto to make quality hardware will allow Samsung to take the smartphone industry away with it using Tizen and the Galaxy line.

Google x-phone is vaporware and again is only a carrot to appease investors unhappy about the Motorola mobility acquisition. Nothing but some shoddy piece of hardware that lacks innovation is what will come out of it - historically looking at Motrola and seeing what they produce is what you can expect. Hoping something else might happen is just that - hope.

Microsoft failed because they faced an entrenched opponent and didn't market the zune right - where exactly was the excuse in that statement? Having a superior product does not necessarily mean it will win out - there are numerous products from the past that show this. (historical data again).

Samsung Galaxy line is the entrenched product, not android. Majority of consumers see touch-wiz not android and don't care what the underlying platform is. They will jump ship to Galaxy S 5 that runs Tizen with no problem when it can run all of their android apps and the software looks very similar (if not the same) as their galaxy s4 did. The company that should worry about this the most is Google, they have lost control of Android and their mobile advertising outlook is looking even more bleak than it already is.

Edited by , Mar 15 2013, 6:30pm :

When every system wants to look like Android, looking like Windows Phone makes you weird. People want inovation, even though they don't like it.

I can't get over the word "Tizen"... without knowing the product, it sounds even stupider than "Zune"...

Does the world really need another mobile OS? Developers already face the nightmare of needing to potentially code for 3 or 4 different mobile systems.

That's fine. But the majority of people don't know what the OS is on there phone by name.

Most people who have iOS don't say that. They say it's an iPhone
Most people who have Android don't say that. They say it's a Galaxy, Droid, Nexus, etc

during samsungs reveal of the S4, they didn't even mention android. They don't want people thinking theyre buying an android phone,they want people thinking this phone is a Samsung phone.

there is probably truth to this rumor

Google is growing increasingly worried about Samsung's position atop the Android smartphone market, according to the Wall Street Journal.

I think Samsung is going to screw over google as well with this OS. They will make android apps compatible,and they will have their own store. Since developers don't even have to touch the code of their apps,its easy to get your apps in the Samsung store. And since Samsung owns most of the android market,there isn't anything google can do about it. I think this is the part where google dropped the ball. Its going to come back and bite them in the ass. A system implemented like Microsoft would completely prevent this,no matter how dominant an OEM can become.Yes nokia has exclusives in the wp store, but that's because theyre financing the development of these apps. If this would become a threat to Microsoft, Microsoft can just change the windows store agreement and be done with it,or they can disable device detection completely if push comes to shove.

They did mention Andriod but not alot. Neither did HTC. It's not their job to promote Android that its Googles.

I could see people being confused and being their Tizen phone, but I also see a situation where the average consumer suddenly can't use the applications they used to and all the payments they've made for apps not being downloadable which will create a large fuzz. People will know that their new phones won't run the apps you bought because they heard that the new Samsung phones don't run Android.
Also developers will have to republish their applications which could take time because many developers won't see a reason right away to publish it.

vcfan said,
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Again, Samsung owns 40% of the market share. It's not only about going to Tizen; it's also forking Android like Amazon and Barnes & Noble did.

Personally, I don't think that will happen. It would be a risky move.

vcfan said,
during samsungs reveal of the S4, they didn't even mention android. They don't want people thinking theyre buying an android phone,they want people thinking this phone is a Samsung phone.

there is probably truth to this rumor


I think Samsung is going to screw over google as well with this OS. They will make android apps compatible,and they will have their own store. Since developers don't even have to touch the code of their apps,its easy to get your apps in the Samsung store. And since Samsung owns most of the android market,there isn't anything google can do about it. I think this is the part where google dropped the ball. Its going to come back and bite them in the ass. A system implemented like Microsoft would completely prevent this,no matter how dominant an OEM can become.Yes nokia has exclusives in the wp store, but that's because theyre financing the development of these apps. If this would become a threat to Microsoft, Microsoft can just change the windows store agreement and be done with it,or they can disable device detection completely if push comes to shove.


Just to add, every OEM can have its own exclusive apps in the store. Nokia isn't alone in this.

Hate to say I told you so. But Tizen is a reality the industry is going to have to deal with. Unfortunately this hapless reporter just doesn't GET it. Tizen is the ultimate Android killer. If anything this will enhance WP8 market share not threaten it. Here are some facts.

1. Handset manufacturers pay between $5 and $35 per Android handset/tablet to Microsoft for Google's breaches of patents. They've all elected to do this voluntarily instead of going to court. The ONLY holdout in Motorola. Funny that. Meanwhile Microsoft is wiping the floor with both Motorola and Google in court cases in the USA and Germany. Expect injunctions against Google in Germany and a massive breach-of-contract lawsuit against Google in the USA. Now Nokia have Google in their crosshairs. Best to subscribe to Foss Patents (excellent) blog for updates. Might this be why Andy Rubin did the “Google Exit” (run away when things get hot) the other day? I wonder.

2. Tizen is open source. Android isn't. Samsung (as well as Huawei, ZTE, HTC and many others) were not allowed to change the source code and “fork” Android. If they did they lost access to Google Maps and Play. With Tizen they have control, not Google. Instead of all the app, map and ad revenues going to Google they'll go to Samsung and the rest.

3. Tizen runs Android apps using a technology called “Alien DALVIK”. Funny enough, Tizen runs Android apps up to 4 times faster than Android runs them. This is because Android is written in the Java kiddie-language. Tizen isn't. Using Tizen, manufacturers can make cheaper handsets that run just as fast while saving the fee they have to pay Microsoft. Who could possibly say no to that?

4. No, Google can't sue anyone for stealing their ecosystem. The argument Google made in court in California when they were accused of stealing Java's ecosystem was that this is “in the public interest”. If Samsung do exactly the same to Google as they did to Oracle Google would be laughed out of court if they tried to press it.

5. Not only Samsung is preparing to dump Android. Don't know about HTC but the word on the street is that the same is true for every other Asian handset manufacturer.
It's been a wild ride for Android. They came so close. But a few basic, even fundamental, management screw-ups means that unless they have something spectacular ready to replace Android Google is dead in the mobile market. Or to be more precise, Google now depends on Motorola. No, it won't happen.

Google is not and never has been a software company. They're an advertising company with a great marketing department that convinces lesser minds they can do software. They won't be missed.

RIP.

I do not disagree with your story in general. But Google shall be missed.
They have jumpstarted a new era for the internet and still prove to be a valueable asset in the technology world. Even if you hate them and disagree with what they stand for, I'm not a fan of Google anymore either and do not trust em with more then my search queries and spam mail. But we've seen a great improvement for the overall wellbeing of the internet thanks to Google (partially because of the simple fact, they are competition). And still are invalueable for our wellbeing on the internet. There is no other tech giant available at the moment to fill up that gap if Google in its entirety falls away. Microsoft will have won the internet wars, and even though I'm a Microsoft fan, I really do not want to see Microsoft back in a monopoly position, they are FAR better off being competitive.

Shadowzz said,
I do not disagree with your story in general. But Google shall be missed.
They have jumpstarted a new era for the internet and still prove to be a valueable asset in the technology world. Even if you hate them and disagree with what they stand for, I'm not a fan of Google anymore either and do not trust em with more then my search queries and spam mail. But we've seen a great improvement for the overall wellbeing of the internet thanks to Google (partially because of the simple fact, they are competition). And still are invalueable for our wellbeing on the internet. There is no other tech giant available at the moment to fill up that gap if Google in its entirety falls away. Microsoft will have won the internet wars, and even though I'm a Microsoft fan, I really do not want to see Microsoft back in a monopoly position, they are FAR better off being competitive.

Actually Google has been nothing but harmful to the internet. They have encouraged website after website of spam/adware, websites with nothing but ads on them, search engines completely littered with marketing websites that try to use SEO tricks to get to the top. So the amount of information you can get from the internet is being consolidated to people who are only interested in making money, and access to that information is through the use of your private data that is shared back to a corporation (google).

They subsidized and undervalued software by releasing it for 'free' to end users; the majority of which have absolutely no idea the amount of data that is being harvested from them. This has had a detrimental effect to companies that do produce quality products and wish to charge for it and don't use user data as a way to subsidize prices. This also has a chilling effect on real freeware products that otherwise are no longer considered because the spyware agency (google) has a more popular product available that they have found a way to generate revenue from. Again they limit the number of sources you can get your information/products from.

The sooner google goes out of business the better the internet will become.

Major Plonquer said,
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I was waiting for you to comment on this.
You seem to have either a brilliant mind, or some insider information.

You better read Plonquer's post Techbecky, because Plonquer and pgn are right, you are blinded by the google glasses.

A threat to Windows Phone? hardly, however, it's a major threat to Android. Particularly since Samsung is rumoured to be in the process of ditching Android completely and focus solely on Tizen (with other OEMs expected to follow). I don't blame them either, between MS forcing virtually every Android OEM to pay them royalties and Apple suing it's no wounder OEMs are looking for a way out and that way out *could* be Tizen. Well that is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

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