Samsung's Tizen phone coming later this year; threat to Windows Phone?

In September 2011, it was announced that MeeGo, a Linux-based open source mobile operating system championed at one point by Nokia, was being retired in favor of an all new open source OS, Tizen. Now Samsung has confirmed it plans to launch a Tizen-based smartphone later this year, and it could be a rival to Microsoft's Windows Phone platform.

Bloomberg reports that Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of Samsung’s mobile business, said, "The Tizen phone will be out in August or September, and this will be in the high-end category ... the device will be the best product equipped with the best specifications."

Tizen is being developed with the help of a number of companies, including Samsung, Intel and Sprint. So far, no Tizen smartphones have been launched, but Huawei also has plans to launch its own Tizen smartphone, though it hasn't given a timeline.

The fact that Samsung wants to launch a high-end Tizen smartphone, along the lines of the company's just announced Galaxy S IV, could show that the company is aiming to launch a major new competitor in the mobile OS race. That could spell trouble for Microsoft, which has made some recent gains with its Windows Phone OS but still lags well behind Android and iOS.

One analyst recently speculated that Samsung, which also makes Windows Phone devices, is deliberately taking development resources away from Microsoft so that Samsung's Tizen smartphone can have a better shot at success.

Source: Bloomberg | Image via Tizen

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A threat to Windows Phone? hardly, however, it's a major threat to Android. Particularly since Samsung is rumoured to be in the process of ditching Android completely and focus solely on Tizen (with other OEMs expected to follow). I don't blame them either, between MS forcing virtually every Android OEM to pay them royalties and Apple suing it's no wounder OEMs are looking for a way out and that way out *could* be Tizen. Well that is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

Hate to say I told you so. But Tizen is a reality the industry is going to have to deal with. Unfortunately this hapless reporter just doesn't GET it. Tizen is the ultimate Android killer. If anything this will enhance WP8 market share not threaten it. Here are some facts.

1. Handset manufacturers pay between $5 and $35 per Android handset/tablet to Microsoft for Google's breaches of patents. They've all elected to do this voluntarily instead of going to court. The ONLY holdout in Motorola. Funny that. Meanwhile Microsoft is wiping the floor with both Motorola and Google in court cases in the USA and Germany. Expect injunctions against Google in Germany and a massive breach-of-contract lawsuit against Google in the USA. Now Nokia have Google in their crosshairs. Best to subscribe to Foss Patents (excellent) blog for updates. Might this be why Andy Rubin did the “Google Exit” (run away when things get hot) the other day? I wonder.

2. Tizen is open source. Android isn't. Samsung (as well as Huawei, ZTE, HTC and many others) were not allowed to change the source code and “fork” Android. If they did they lost access to Google Maps and Play. With Tizen they have control, not Google. Instead of all the app, map and ad revenues going to Google they'll go to Samsung and the rest.

3. Tizen runs Android apps using a technology called “Alien DALVIK”. Funny enough, Tizen runs Android apps up to 4 times faster than Android runs them. This is because Android is written in the Java kiddie-language. Tizen isn't. Using Tizen, manufacturers can make cheaper handsets that run just as fast while saving the fee they have to pay Microsoft. Who could possibly say no to that?

4. No, Google can't sue anyone for stealing their ecosystem. The argument Google made in court in California when they were accused of stealing Java's ecosystem was that this is “in the public interest”. If Samsung do exactly the same to Google as they did to Oracle Google would be laughed out of court if they tried to press it.

5. Not only Samsung is preparing to dump Android. Don't know about HTC but the word on the street is that the same is true for every other Asian handset manufacturer.
It's been a wild ride for Android. They came so close. But a few basic, even fundamental, management screw-ups means that unless they have something spectacular ready to replace Android Google is dead in the mobile market. Or to be more precise, Google now depends on Motorola. No, it won't happen.

Google is not and never has been a software company. They're an advertising company with a great marketing department that convinces lesser minds they can do software. They won't be missed.

RIP.

I do not disagree with your story in general. But Google shall be missed.
They have jumpstarted a new era for the internet and still prove to be a valueable asset in the technology world. Even if you hate them and disagree with what they stand for, I'm not a fan of Google anymore either and do not trust em with more then my search queries and spam mail. But we've seen a great improvement for the overall wellbeing of the internet thanks to Google (partially because of the simple fact, they are competition). And still are invalueable for our wellbeing on the internet. There is no other tech giant available at the moment to fill up that gap if Google in its entirety falls away. Microsoft will have won the internet wars, and even though I'm a Microsoft fan, I really do not want to see Microsoft back in a monopoly position, they are FAR better off being competitive.

Shadowzz said,
I do not disagree with your story in general. But Google shall be missed.
They have jumpstarted a new era for the internet and still prove to be a valueable asset in the technology world. Even if you hate them and disagree with what they stand for, I'm not a fan of Google anymore either and do not trust em with more then my search queries and spam mail. But we've seen a great improvement for the overall wellbeing of the internet thanks to Google (partially because of the simple fact, they are competition). And still are invalueable for our wellbeing on the internet. There is no other tech giant available at the moment to fill up that gap if Google in its entirety falls away. Microsoft will have won the internet wars, and even though I'm a Microsoft fan, I really do not want to see Microsoft back in a monopoly position, they are FAR better off being competitive.

Actually Google has been nothing but harmful to the internet. They have encouraged website after website of spam/adware, websites with nothing but ads on them, search engines completely littered with marketing websites that try to use SEO tricks to get to the top. So the amount of information you can get from the internet is being consolidated to people who are only interested in making money, and access to that information is through the use of your private data that is shared back to a corporation (google).

They subsidized and undervalued software by releasing it for 'free' to end users; the majority of which have absolutely no idea the amount of data that is being harvested from them. This has had a detrimental effect to companies that do produce quality products and wish to charge for it and don't use user data as a way to subsidize prices. This also has a chilling effect on real freeware products that otherwise are no longer considered because the spyware agency (google) has a more popular product available that they have found a way to generate revenue from. Again they limit the number of sources you can get your information/products from.

The sooner google goes out of business the better the internet will become.

Major Plonquer said,
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I was waiting for you to comment on this.
You seem to have either a brilliant mind, or some insider information.

You better read Plonquer's post Techbecky, because Plonquer and pgn are right, you are blinded by the google glasses.

during samsungs reveal of the S4, they didn't even mention android. They don't want people thinking theyre buying an android phone,they want people thinking this phone is a Samsung phone.

there is probably truth to this rumor

Google is growing increasingly worried about Samsung's position atop the Android smartphone market, according to the Wall Street Journal.

I think Samsung is going to screw over google as well with this OS. They will make android apps compatible,and they will have their own store. Since developers don't even have to touch the code of their apps,its easy to get your apps in the Samsung store. And since Samsung owns most of the android market,there isn't anything google can do about it. I think this is the part where google dropped the ball. Its going to come back and bite them in the ass. A system implemented like Microsoft would completely prevent this,no matter how dominant an OEM can become.Yes nokia has exclusives in the wp store, but that's because theyre financing the development of these apps. If this would become a threat to Microsoft, Microsoft can just change the windows store agreement and be done with it,or they can disable device detection completely if push comes to shove.

They did mention Andriod but not alot. Neither did HTC. It's not their job to promote Android that its Googles.

I could see people being confused and being their Tizen phone, but I also see a situation where the average consumer suddenly can't use the applications they used to and all the payments they've made for apps not being downloadable which will create a large fuzz. People will know that their new phones won't run the apps you bought because they heard that the new Samsung phones don't run Android.
Also developers will have to republish their applications which could take time because many developers won't see a reason right away to publish it.

vcfan said,
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Again, Samsung owns 40% of the market share. It's not only about going to Tizen; it's also forking Android like Amazon and Barnes & Noble did.

Personally, I don't think that will happen. It would be a risky move.

vcfan said,
during samsungs reveal of the S4, they didn't even mention android. They don't want people thinking theyre buying an android phone,they want people thinking this phone is a Samsung phone.

there is probably truth to this rumor


I think Samsung is going to screw over google as well with this OS. They will make android apps compatible,and they will have their own store. Since developers don't even have to touch the code of their apps,its easy to get your apps in the Samsung store. And since Samsung owns most of the android market,there isn't anything google can do about it. I think this is the part where google dropped the ball. Its going to come back and bite them in the ass. A system implemented like Microsoft would completely prevent this,no matter how dominant an OEM can become.Yes nokia has exclusives in the wp store, but that's because theyre financing the development of these apps. If this would become a threat to Microsoft, Microsoft can just change the windows store agreement and be done with it,or they can disable device detection completely if push comes to shove.


Just to add, every OEM can have its own exclusive apps in the store. Nokia isn't alone in this.

I can't get over the word "Tizen"... without knowing the product, it sounds even stupider than "Zune"...

Does the world really need another mobile OS? Developers already face the nightmare of needing to potentially code for 3 or 4 different mobile systems.

That's fine. But the majority of people don't know what the OS is on there phone by name.

Most people who have iOS don't say that. They say it's an iPhone
Most people who have Android don't say that. They say it's a Galaxy, Droid, Nexus, etc

When every system wants to look like Android, looking like Windows Phone makes you weird. People want inovation, even though they don't like it.

Lolz this will be bigger threat to Android than WP. As of right now, most people don't even care about google/android, all they know are Samsung phones. If Samsung goes with new OS, people will just go and buy new Samsung phones. Android market will go down much more w/o Samsung.

MDboyz said,
If Samsung goes with new OS, people will just go and buy new Samsung phones. Android market will go down much more w/o Samsung.

Maybe at first, but will go back up. Samsung is not the only Android OEM and with Google rumors on an X device, and other OEMs ready to be the new leader, Android will be around for a while. Seems like Google is cooking up some things so should be interesting to see what they come up with.

techbeck said,

Maybe at first, but will go back up. Samsung is not the only Android OEM and with Google rumors on an X device, and other OEMs ready to be the new leader, Android will be around for a while. Seems like Google is cooking up some things so should be interesting to see what they come up with.

Samsung sells upwards of 80% of all android phones in the world, Motorola/google aren't going to go anywhere with any xphone - it will end up like the nexus a very niche device only a few people are buying. It will also pit google directly against Samsung and any other oem that uses android. The majority of these oems aren't making much off android anyway with HTC looking like it is about to go bankrupt, so it may make sense for them to jump off the android ship all together.

Once Samsung jumps - which is clear they are planning onto with Tizen and with Tizen being able to run android apps theres really no reason to stick with android. It might just make more sense for all the other oems to jump ship to tizen too if Google plans to compete directly against them. Let google and their Motorola division sell their x-phone. Motorola Mobility is bleeding cash and their devices are complete crap - and even google exec's themselves said that what is in the pipeline from Motrola was not really devices they would consider to be amazing.

Google isn't about to throw billions more into android when they simply have made very little money from the OS. They wasted billions on Motorola and recently laid off 4000+ employees from motrola; they are ramping Motorola down not up and plan to shut it down once they realize its not profitable. Microsoft makes more off android every year - 500+ million plus on patent licensing fees than google has made off android in the last 5+ years. Ad revenue from mobile is pitiful compared to revenue from the desktop/laptop market, and google makes more off advertising revenue from the Iphone apps they have than from android itself.

Google knows it, everyone does Android had its nice run but its all but dead.

Wow, even more clueless huh?


Samsung sells upwards of 80% of all android phones in the world, Motorola/google aren't going to go anywhere with any xphone - it will end up like the nexus a very niche device only a few people are buying.

Again, must be nice to predict the future as Google gave out no info about the X project/team. How do you know what Google is cooking up and if it is going to not go anywhere?


The majority of these oems aren't making much off android anyway with HTC looking like it is about to go bankupt, so it may make sense for them to jump off the android ship all together.

Again, this is NOT about them using Android. Dont you get that? If it was about Androud, Samsung wouldnt be doing as well as they are. Samsung just producing good hardware/software comsumers like.


Let google and their Motorola division sell their x-phone. Motorola Mobility is bleeding cash and their devices are complete crap - and even google exec's themselves said that what is in the pipeline from Motrola was not really devices they would consider to be amazing.

Do you really think Google will release phones based of the old/current Motorola model? Seriously? Why would they do this since it is know that Motorola hardware isnt selling well. They will most likey redesign the devices. Just another clueless comment.


Google isn't about to throw billions more into android when they simply have made very little money from the OS.

Google never planned on making a ton from the Android OS. It makes its money from ADVERTISING. Get a clue.


They wasted billions on Motorola and recently laid off 4000+ employees from motrola; they are ramping Motorola down not up and plan to shut it down once they realize its not profitable. Microsoft makes more off android every year - 500+ million plus on patent licensing fees than google has made off android in the last 5+ years. Ad revenue from mobile is pitiful compared to revenue from the desktop/laptop market, and google makes more off advertising revenue from the Iphone apps they have than from android itself.

Its called company restructuring. This happens ALL THE TIME when companies merge. And Google is not going to shut down Motorola anytime soon.


Google knows it, everyone does Android had its nice run but its all but dead.

You know it and claim that everyone else does. There, I corrected that for you. Now excuse me since I seem to got stuck in my bubble again and I have socks to sort.

techbeck said,
Wow, even more clueless huh?

Again, must be nice to predict the future as Google gave out no info about the X project/team. How do you know what Google is cooking up and if it is going to not go anywhere?

Again, this is NOT about them using Android. Dont you get that? If it was about Androud, Samsung wouldnt be doing as well as they are. Samsung just producing good hardware/software comsumers like.

Do you really think Google will release phones based of the old/current Motorola model? Seriously? Why would they do this since it is know that Motorola hardware isnt selling well. They will most likey redesign the devices. Just another clueless comment.

Google never planned on making a ton from the Android OS. It makes its money from ADVERTISING. Get a clue.

Its called company restructuring. This happens ALL THE TIME when companies merge. And Google is not going to shut down Motorola anytime soon.

You know it and claim that everyone else does. There, I corrected that for you. Now excuse me since I seem to got stuck in my bubble again and I have socks to sort.

Here's a clue for you, what hardware has google ever released that has sold any numbers at all? Clue #1 = ZERO.

What hardware have Motorola recently released that has sold any numbers at all? Clue #2 = ZERO.

And so with your math we will add ZERO + ZERO and get an answer of #1 oem? Yup you are clueless.

NO ONE wanted to buy Motorola Mobility, they simply lack any innovation. Google bought them hoping to use some of those patents to fight Apple and Microsoft with. Turns out all those patents are standard essential patents and Google cant use them in litigation. Google overpaid and now has to show investors this loser division is capable of producing something. Motorola will put out a token device that is pure s*** to appease investors that Motorola was a good buy.

Google's only product is advertising, they aren't known for making anything worth a **** that is profitable other than spamming people on websites with useless ads about Viagra. They make 87% of their profits from ads, that's all they do, now all of a sudden they will be making some world class hardware? They couldn't do it with any of their previous Nexus devices they partnered with HTC and LG with, why can they do it now with the bankrupted and failure Motorola Mobility? That's another clue for you.

Look at Googles recent comments they stated it will take another 18 months to get Motorola's designs up to par where they want them. In under 6 months Samsung will have Tizen devices out running on likely the Galaxy S 5. In 18 months there will be no android market to worry about for Motorola or all the employees there that will be laid off. Motorola hasn't been able to innovate any worthwhile design in 7+ years, now under googles advertising juggernaut guidance they will miraculously create some great Nexus device? Hasn't worked for the other nexus devices but sure this one might do it. Motrola/Google do not have the capacity to create that many devices for one, two it costs a lot of money to make hardware which Google has shown no interest in and pulls out of projects once they realize how expensive they get, three they simply will not have anything innovative that consumers will flock to.

Google hasn't made more than $200 million from their own statements in the recent Apple Samsung lawsuit, and that's been 4+ years. There is no profit here, it costs much more to run the Android division, employees, research than the $200 million they have made. They recently in their last financial statements said as much - mobile advertising is not bringing in the numbers they hoped it would, and that they are making considerably more from the Apple ecosystem. We all known google makes money from spyware and adware - you don't need to tell anyone that, its well known they are the scumbags of the internet.

No its not called company restructuring, its called ramping it down to stop the bleeding of money. Motorola was a purchase for patents not any talent, and so they intend to fire them all off. Now they are trying to appease investors with some so called x-phone that will be another Nexus dud that wont sell more than a handful of devices. A x-phone will not be any savior or replacement for Samsung once they leave android it will be the beginning of the demise for android.

pgn said,
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Note going to comment anymore. I made my point and your arguments are based off of assumptions and not real data/facts. And the few facts you do post are inaccurate. Instead, you base your arguments off of pure hate. You also apparently do not read what I am posting since you claimed a few times i said something which I did not. Your hate for something you know nothing about is astounding.

Enjoy yourself and have a good day.

EDIT: I will say one thing tho. Yes, Google makes most of their money off ads. No secrete and thats what they always do. But to say that they cannot make and produce good hardware just further shows you rather hate on something instead of seeing whats going on. MS never made computer hardware either but they seem to be doing well with that according to how well you have been praising MS/surface in other threads and pointing out the profit MS will make. So if MS can do it, why not Google? The first XBOX didnt do so how and MS came back with the 360 that is doing great. Companies do not necessarily hit a home run the first time out. Google has a plan wiht Motorola and it is obvious they do. Its not that no one wanted them, its that maybe no one knew how to use them and needed them as much as Google. And their partnerships with HTC and others on the nexus line was not about them profiting. If you are confused why they did this, then do some reading.

Its hard to have a convo with someone whose hate blinds them to seeing anything other than what they think. But anyway, have a good day.

techbeck said,

Note going to comment anymore. I made my point and your arguments are based off of assumptions and not real data/facts. And the few facts you do post are inaccurate. Instead, you base your arguments off of pure hate. You also apparently do not read what I am posting since you claimed a few times i said something which I did not. Your hate for something you know nothing about is astounding.

Enjoy yourself and have a good day.

EDIT: I will say one thing tho. Yes, Google makes most of their money off ads. No secrete and thats what they always do. But to say that they cannot make and produce good hardware just further shows you rather hate on something instead of seeing whats going on. MS never made computer hardware either but they seem to be doing well with that according to how well you have been praising MS/surface in other threads and pointing out the profit MS will make. So if MS can do it, why not Google? The first XBOX didnt do so how and MS came back with the 360 that is doing great. Companies do not necessarily hit a home run the first time out. Google has a plan wiht Motorola and it is obvious they do. Its not that no one wanted them, its that maybe no one knew how to use them and needed them as much as Google. And their partnerships with HTC and others on the nexus line was not about them profiting. If you are confused why they did this, then do some reading.

Its hard to have a convo with someone whose hate blinds them to seeing anything other than what they think. But anyway, have a good day.

MS has been in the computer industry for over 40+ years. Look up the MSX - they partnered with several companies in the 1980's to make computers. They have also made computer accessories (keyboard, mice, sidewinder joystic) from the 90's to today, they've made the zune,, xbox 1, xbox 360, and now the surface. This isn't their first rodeo.

Google has no history of making any hardware, sure they are just beginning and they may make something great but not with Motorola they wont. Motorola Mobility was bankrupt and no one wanted to buy them, they were a charity case that Google paid into and now realize was a bad idea. Look at their pricing too - google glass at $1500, the chrome pixel at $1200+, on one but a tiny handful are interested in any of those products at those prices. Google lacks the capacity to bring down prices to reasonable levels and thus will not be able to compete with other oems. The only capacity google has to drop prices is by using adware so maybe that is how they intend to subsidize prices - spam end users with ads.

pgn said,

MS has been in the computer industry for over 40+ years. Look up the MSX - they partnered with several companies in the 1980's to make computers. They have also made computer accessories (keyboard, mice, sidewinder joystic) from the 90's to today, they've made the zune,, xbox 1, xbox 360, and now the surface. This isn't their first rodeo.

Google has no history of making any hardware, sure they are just beginning and they may make something great but not with Motorola they wont. Motorola Mobility was bankrupt and no one wanted to buy them, they were a charity case that Google paid into and now realize was a bad idea. Look at their pricing too - google glass at $1500, the chrome pixel at $1200+, on one but a tiny handful are interested in any of those products at those prices. Google lacks the capacity to bring down prices to reasonable levels and thus will not be able to compete with other oems. The only capacity google has to drop prices is by using adware so maybe that is how they intend to subsidize prices - spam end users with ads.

Zune - considered a failed product
XBOX 1 - didnt do so hot
hardware accessories do not compare to things like computers/smartphones/tablets.
Surface - good device that seems to be doing well.

I remember when LG and other companies started to produce different products/hardware. They didnt have a lot of experience and were considered low end devices. Now LG is considered high end and are doing well. To say Google cannot do the same is just the hate blinding you. Yeas, Chrome OS is priced to high but Google Glass is a new product and nothing like it is out. Products like these, and from other companes other than Google, that are new are always more espensive at first. The price will drop.

techbeck said,

Zune - considered a failed product
XBOX 1 - didnt do so hot
hardware accessories do not compare to things like computers/smartphones/tablets.
Surface - good device that seems to be doing well.

I remember when LG and other companies started to produce different products/hardware. They didnt have a lot of experience and were considered low end devices. Now LG is considered high end and are doing well. To say Google cannot do the same is just the hate blinding you. Yeas, Chrome OS is priced to high but Google Glass is a new product and nothing like it is out. Products like these, and from other companes other than Google, that are new are always more espensive at first. The price will drop.

Zune 1 failed because iPod was too entrenched, technically it was superior in everyway. It failed because MS never pushed it outside the US, limited distribution and complete lack of pushing the product.

Xbox 1 again technically a better product, it certainly was not a failure; it was able to pick off 30+ million users from entrenched Sony fans and it helped build a base for the successful Xbox 360.

Keyboard, mice are starting points to building systems, once you have the basics of user input down slapping a cpu and screen into a box isn't going to be that much more challenging. It also gets you to understand retail, packing, distribution, pricing considerations.

Surface - not an ipad killer but doing very well profitability wise, the hardware is solid, Windows 8 still needs some work. This has already become Microsofts next billion dollar product in under 5 months.

LG has been in consumer electronics for decades, they make just a many products as Samsung does. They have been selling phones since the early 90's if not earlier. You would see LG's phones look very similar to Samsungs and wonder who copied who. LG in my opinion makes crap, the latest nexus device isn't that great or high end. It feels like its poorly made sure the specs are great but the actual feel of the device is lacking and does no give the impression of high end. LG is actually pulling out of the smartphone market and putting out less devices.

Google cant do the same, Motorola Mobility isn't the same company it was when it was making phones people wanted. Google stated as much recently that the last 18 months of product pipeline was not up to the standards they want, and that it will take another 18 months to get to where they would like. In 18 months the market will change completely, Motorola is not able to innovate at a pace fast enough to keep up with companies like Samsung.

Google Glass at this point is vaporware, it serves no real purpose other than being an entertaining toy that is priced too high to consider. The Nexus Q was also supposed to be released and google pulled that before it went to market. All the hardware Google has out is put out by partner companies that are willing to front the costs, not once has Google been wiling to manufacture on their own, unless they do eventually come out with an x-phone; which I highly doubt. They need investors to believe Motorola was a smart acquisition, they may release the phone in limited numbers and eventually pull it from market before they bleed too much money then proclaim Motrola served its purpose and shut them down.

pgn said,

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Are you really making excuses for MS failed products? Doesnt matter the excuse, they failed and my point is not everyone hits a home run first, second, or third time out. But according to do, if they fail once they will always be considered crap and never have a chance to do better. I guess all of Microsofts products from lets say, after WinME is crap then. Imagine what would happen if everyone stopped making products the first time they failed. We wouldnt have anything.

And why you defending my comment on the Surface? I was saying the Surface was a good product.

And since you dont like LG, doesnt mean they are not considered high end and my point still stands.

Google and motorola can do well. For a while, Google has been letting Motorola run on its own with real no input. So yea, they last 18 months of products were not good and Google had no influene on them. And Google is cooking up something big. Two poeple in high positions just went ot the X team. So something is up, what is still unknown.

techbeck said,

Are you really making excuses for MS failed products? Doesnt matter the excuse, they failed and my point is not everyone hits a home run first, second, or third time out. But according to do, if they fail once they will always be considered crap and never have a chance to do better. I guess all of Microsofts products from lets say, after WinME is crap then. Imagine what would happen if everyone stopped making products the first time they failed. We wouldnt have anything.

And why you defending my comment on the Surface? I was saying the Surface was a good product.

And since you dont like LG, doesnt mean they are not considered high end and my point still stands.

Google and motorola can do well. For a while, Google has been letting Motorola run on its own with real no input. So yea, they last 18 months of products were not good and Google had no influene on them. And Google is cooking up something big. Two poeple in high positions just went ot the X team. So something is up, what is still unknown.

What excuse? I don't think I made any excuses. Simply that there is an evolution. No company that has very limited hardware experience is going to make a steller product the first time. You stating the xphone by Google which has made zero hardware and their acquisition Motorola that has made nothing but failure products for the past 7+ years is the exact point. They simply have no history of ever making anything worthwhile in recent history; what makes you think their first joint attempt at an x-phone is going to fill the void of Samsung moving to tizen? By the time Google+Motorola can make anything worth a damn Samsung will be selling Galaxy S 7 devices and have the market with Tizen. There is no OEM able to supplant Samsung if and WHEN they do jump off the android sinking ship. That's why I call Android the next burning platform.

pgn said,

What excuse? I don't think I made any excuses. Simply that there is an evolution. No company that has very limited hardware experience is going to make a steller product the first time. You stating the xphone by Google which has made zero hardware and their acquisition Motorola that has made nothing but failure products for the past 7+ years is the exact point. They simply have no history of ever making anything worthwhile in recent history; what makes you think their first joint attempt at an x-phone is going to fill the void of Samsung moving to tizen? By the time Google+Motorola can make anything worth a damn Samsung will be selling Galaxy S 7 devices and have the market with Tizen. There is no OEM able to supplant Samsung if and WHEN they do jump off the android sinking ship. That's why I call Android the next burning platform.

Getting tired of correcting you here....

I never said Google's first attempt is going to be an amazing hit. I said to wait and see what they have planned. Who knows if it will be a phone or what. Nothing has been said in this at all.

Motorola is not Google or the other way around. Motorola was bought out because they were failing, like many other companies have in the past. Sometimes the companies keep the brand if they do well, sometimes they desolve the brand if they dont do well. To early to tell but you cannot compare the Motorola of the past to the present/future. Wont be the same and no one knows what it will be like.

You are trying to predict the future with little to nothing ot back it up and based on old facts and figures.

And what excuses? You said the reason why Zune was a failed product was because the iPod was entrenched and MS didnt market it outside the US. So it is Microsofts fault, and theirs alone, that it didnt do well. If it was a superior product and MS marketed it correctly, it would of done well. Fact is, it didnt. Android, Surface, and others have all done well/decent going up against well entrenched products and are not considered failures. Some products are failures, get over it. Nature of the game.

techbeck said,

Getting tired of correcting you here....

I never said Google's first attempt is going to be an amazing hit. I said to wait and see what they have planned. Who knows if it will be a phone or what. Nothing has been said in this at all.

Motorola is not Google or the other way around. Motorola was bought out because they were failing, like many other companies have in the past. Sometimes the companies keep the brand if they do well, sometimes they desolve the brand if they dont do well. To early to tell but you cannot compare the Motorola of the past to the present/future. Wont be the same and no one knows what it will be like.

You are trying to predict the future with little to nothing ot back it up and based on old facts and figures.

And what excuses? You said the reason why Zune was a failed product was because the iPod was entrenched and MS didnt market it outside the US. So it is Microsofts fault, and theirs alone, that it didnt do well. If it was a superior product and MS marketed it correctly, it would of done well. Fact is, it didnt. Android, Surface, and others have all done well/decent going up against well entrenched products and are not considered failures. Some products are failures, get over it. Nature of the game.

Looking at historical data certainly allows you to see possible outcomes, maybe you just blindly like to hope that things will change without considering why things are the way they are. Motorola is a failure because they lack innovation, nothing is going to change that situation anytime soon. The amount of time it will take Goog/Moto to make quality hardware will allow Samsung to take the smartphone industry away with it using Tizen and the Galaxy line.

Google x-phone is vaporware and again is only a carrot to appease investors unhappy about the Motorola mobility acquisition. Nothing but some shoddy piece of hardware that lacks innovation is what will come out of it - historically looking at Motrola and seeing what they produce is what you can expect. Hoping something else might happen is just that - hope.

Microsoft failed because they faced an entrenched opponent and didn't market the zune right - where exactly was the excuse in that statement? Having a superior product does not necessarily mean it will win out - there are numerous products from the past that show this. (historical data again).

Samsung Galaxy line is the entrenched product, not android. Majority of consumers see touch-wiz not android and don't care what the underlying platform is. They will jump ship to Galaxy S 5 that runs Tizen with no problem when it can run all of their android apps and the software looks very similar (if not the same) as their galaxy s4 did. The company that should worry about this the most is Google, they have lost control of Android and their mobile advertising outlook is looking even more bleak than it already is.

Edited by , Mar 15 2013, 6:30pm :

Everyone gets screwed because Samsung is pretty much what people want when they get a new phone. this will shake things up tons. I'm for this kind of thing but Samsung is massive and I really don't like the possibilities of 1 manufacturer cornering the market.

blackjezuz said,
Everyone gets screwed because Samsung is pretty much what people want when they get a new phone. this will shake things up tons.
I don't think this is as true among the general population. Most of my friends that do not read about mobile phones have no idea what they want until they decide to upgrade. In the last week, I have had literally two friends ask me about phones, and I pushed one toward the SG4 (they actually ended up not waiting and getting the SGIII), and one toward the iPhone; neither one of them had a preference toward Samsung, and the one that got the SGIII simply wanted the best Android on the market (and they wanted LTE, plus they said they did not like the HTC One).

blackjezuz said,
I'm for this kind of thing but Samsung is massive and I really don't like the possibilities of 1 manufacturer cornering the market.
Apple doesn't seem to be too big of a negative in their cornered phone sector, minus the questionable stranglehold on their app market. Tizen being an Open Source OS means that it should have the opportunity to picked up by other manufacturers should its popularity increase.

Maybe because Microsoft is the only one not doing anything to update its OS and it still lags far behind current competitors in functionality. Making it ripe to be overtaken by a new OS from someone like Samsung.

efjay said,
Maybe because Microsoft is the only one not doing anything to update its OS

Erm it still updates its OS. Just had a new update yesterday even...

NXTwoThou said,
Just like FireFox OS, Ubuntu Phone, Blackberry, et al. Why does everyone target WP in these articles?

because it has the tiniest market share and is in position to get swallowed up by just about anything?

As an adoring Lumia 920 owner, I must admit that it's because it has the most chance for sudden failure.

Android and iOS take up something like 90% of the market. Neither one of them can disappear overnight. However, that 2-3% blip of Windows Phone can due to a fanatical surge of some other OS, beit Blackberry OS or some new threat.

Granted, I doubt that Samsung has the know-how to beat anyone in the top 4 (Android, iOS, WP, and BB) outside of China. However, I do think that they may be onto something within China, where homegrown alternatives often surpass their superior counterparts (e.g., while Baidu is now likely in feature parity with Google, they were not when they began dominating within China).

efjay
Maybe because Microsoft is the only one not doing anything to update its OS and it still lags far behind current competitors in functionality.
I received an update in December or January for my Lumia 920, and there are numerous reports that a "GDR2" update is in the cards, as well as a future major release with whatever Windows Blue turns out.

I understand fanboyism makes people hate other products, but you have to be honest to get anywhere.

Well, WP may have 2-3% market share in the US, but in Europe it seems to be doing much better, having 14% in Italy, 16% in Poland, 6% in the UK and 6% in Germany.

As for who Tizen is a threat to, I would say Android. Samsung owns the Android market, so moving their resources to Tizen, and specially if it can run Android apps, means they can change their hole lineup from Android. All they need is the Tizen Galaxy phone to sell. If this happens, they'll do this move and own the software channels as well.

What most people here fail to see is that the majority of the consumer space doesn't care about what OS runs in their phones (there are those who care, but they are mostly tech enthusiasts). Most of the consumers care about the OEM brand that they trust will deliver them the best experience. That is why Apple is successful (it is because it is Apple), why Nokia is regaining their space in Europe, South America and China (and why MS paid them 2 bi to go WP only,as they needed a strong brand by their size) and why Samsung has been dominating Andoid's market (and why Google is worried about Samsung's dominance).

If Samsung's Tizen phone is successfull, be sure that they will hold Google by the balls and probably demand ad revenue or go Tizen.

Max Norris said,

Erm it still updates its OS. Just had a new update yesterday even...

Is not that a fix for the 7.8 issues with tiles?

Wouldn't this be more of a threat to Google and Android when their largest OEM launches a competing open source mobile OS?

WP would likely be a caught in the crossfire, but I don't read this news as an attack on WP.

This is more a threat to Android. Tizen runs Android applications as well and if you look at the UI it looks very similar to android. The real threat is how many people will be buying tizen phones not knowing they aren't android, does it really matter though if you can run the majority of android apps on it? google knows this is a threat to them and is trying to pull away from Samsung.

the UI and experience on WP is not the same as tizen/android pile of s***.

pgn said,

the UI and experience on WP is not the same as tizen/android pile of s***.

Funny, thats one of the major complains about W8. The junk UI. And I highly doubt Samsung would call the phones Android when in fact they are Tizen.

techbeck said,

Funny, thats one of the major complains about W8. The junk UI. And I highly doubt Samsung would call the phones Android when in fact they are Tizen.

Funny, where did I say Samsung would call it android? You don't need to call samsungs blatant iphone rip-offs an iphone - theres enough confusion that the general consumer wont know the difference. If Tizen can run android apps they don't need to call it android, it does the expected function they need it to. The majority of consumers don't really care if 'android' is on a phone anyway, simply if all their applications work on that device. There is no huge 'android' following, there is a very small tech minority that do follow android, there is a following of certain devices like the galaxy phones which so happen to run the apps that consumers want - tizen/android the consumer wont really care. They certainly can advertise that it has the ability to run the majority of android apps and I'm certain they will do that.

Samsung intends to push 'high end' plastic junk - probably the Galaxy 5 with tizen and see how consumers react. I can easily see Android being dead within 2 years if that strategy plays out. Why would you need android anyway if all the apps from it run on Tizen? With Samsung being the primary oem of android they can easily switch everything over to tizen where they become the architect of the OS, no longer do they need to put a skin ontop of the pig android - they can just bake it right into the OS. They can then sell search engine rights to whoever wants to pay - bing, google, yandex, etc, as well as any other services that companies want to become the default on these devices.

Edited by , Mar 15 2013, 3:29pm :


Funny, where did I say Samsung would call it android?

Where did I say you did? You said users would be confused that Tizen is Android and I said that Samsung wouldnt market it as such.


You don't need to call samsungs blatant iphone rip-offs an iphone - theres enough confusion that the general consumer wont know the difference.

Whoes confused? Those people that Apple claimed were confused in their lawsuit? (which wasnt very much).


If Tizen can run android apps they don't need to call it android, it does the expected function they need it to. The majority of consumers don't really care if 'android' is on a phone anyway, simply if all their applications work on that device. There is no huge 'android' following, there is a very small tech minority that do follow android, there is a following of certain devices like the galaxy phones which so happen to run the apps that consumers want - tizen/android the consumer wont really care.

Of course people care about what OS they are running. That is just a silly comment. And the same apps do not work, or are not avilable, for all platorms a lot of the time. So if I wanted an app and it is only available on Android, wouldnt I care what OS I am on? And BlackBerry phones can run Android apps, or they used to be able to, and no one confused BB with Android/


There is no huge 'android' following

Haha, what? There is a HUGE android following. Where have you been the past several years? There are communities dedicated to supporting/modding android.


Samsung intends to push 'high end' plastic junk - probably the Galaxy 5 with tizen and see how consumers react.

Yea, plastic junk and why the S3 sold 40+ million phones.


I can easily see Android being dead within 2 years if that strategy plays out. Why would you need android anyway if all the apps from it run on Tizen? With Samsung being the primary oem of android they can easily switch everything over to tizen where they become the architect of the OS, no longer do they need to put a skin ontop of the pig android - they can just bake it right into the OS. They can then sell search engine rights to whoever wants to pay - bing, google, yandex, etc, as well as any other services that companies want to become the default on these devices.

Android will not be dead within 2 years. Android is more than just Samsung. If Samsung goes Tizen, then there are plenty of other Android OEMs to take their place.

You are so hateful towards Android and most of your posts are just trolling and spouting out hate against the platform. You are so blinded by hate that apparently toy cannot see that Android has a huge following, Android is more than Samsung, Samsung has sold 40+ plastic junk devices (as you so eloquently put it), and there are many other OEMs for Android and they will not go away in 2yrs.

Seriously dude, get a clue.

techbeck said,

Where did I say you did? You said users would be confused that Tizen is Android and I said that Samsung wouldnt market it as such.

Whoes confused? Those people that Apple claimed were confused in their lawsuit? (which wasnt very much).

Of course people care about what OS they are running. That is just a silly comment. And the same apps do not work, or are not avilable, for all platorms a lot of the time. So if I wanted an app and it is only available on Android, wouldnt I care what OS I am on? And BlackBerry phones can run Android apps, or they used to be able to, and no one confused BB with Android/

Haha, what? There is a HUGE android following. Where have you been the past several years? There are communities dedicated to supporting/modding android.

Yea, plastic junk and why the S3 sold 40+ million phones.

Android will not be dead within 2 years. Android is more than just Samsung. If Samsung goes Tizen, then there are plenty of other Android OEMs to take their place.

You are so hateful towards Android and most of your posts are just trolling and spouting out hate against the platform. You are so blinded by hate that apparently toy cannot see that Android has a huge following, Android is more than Samsung, Samsung has sold 40+ plastic junk devices (as you so eloquently put it), and there are many other OEMs for Android and they will not go away in 2yrs.

Seriously dude, get a clue.


The majority of people are not tech enthusiasts that visit forums or follow tech blogs. You live in some bubble if that's what you think happens in the real world. The majority of people have no idea that an Iphone runs IOS and the majority of people using a phone that runs on android have little idea. They simply care if their apps will run on the device, that's it.

Look at this pic: http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-co...tizen_ui_leak_1-300x500.png

Are you telling me that doesn't have a close enough look to Android? That's Tizen, a very early build of it. The majority of consumers picking up a Galaxy 5 come this summer simply will not care if it's googles OS under the hood or something else if they see facebook, twitter, angry birds, etc etc all running on the device. Samsung knows the confusion is all that's needed, the majority of consumers will think its an upgrade to their last galaxy 3/4 and purchase. Only those in the know will even bother to check what the OS is.

Blackberry is hopeless and has very little volume selling phones now. It doesn't matter if they threw in compatibility with every mobile OS in blackberry OS; consumer sentiment is against them.

Samsung is the #1 OEM selling the majority of phones in the world. So saying there are other oems that will take the place is rather naïve. HTC isn't doing very well with android, huewai isn't either and it's why both oems will experiment with firefox os and Ubuntu as they are trying to find something that works for them. LG hasn't really had any device worth a s*** in some time, they got picked by google to release the nexus but without that ropeline they'd likely be out of the smartphone business all together.

Samsung has the ability to push a new OS and device and the majority of consumers wont care what runs under the hood if all of their apps work on it anyway.

Android will simply be dead within 2 years. You are clueless in live in a tech bubble thinking everyone follows tech blogs and forums, they don't.


The majority of people are not tech enthusiasts that visit forums or follow tech blogs. You live in some bubble if that's what you think happens in the real world. The majority of people have no idea that an Iphone runs IOS and the majority of people using a phone that runs on android have little idea. They simply care if their apps will run on the device, that's it.

What a load of nonsense. Just because the majority of people do not look at tech blogs and such, doesnt mean there isnt a huge Android following like you claimed there isnt. There are several android communites that gets lots of traffic, Cyanogen, AOKP, and others support the hell out of Android for many devices and thousands of people download and use those ROMs/mods. Android is more than Samsung, there isa huge following and your blatant hate for the platform is blinding you. And again, they do care and will care what OS they are running if they want their apps to work since the same apps are not available on all platforms.


Samsung is the #1 OEM selling the majority of phones in the world. So saying there are other oems that will take the place is rather naïve. HTC isn't doing very well with android, huewai isn't either and it's why both oems will experiment with firefox os and Ubuntu as they are trying to find something that works for them. LG hasn't really had any device worth a s*** in some time, they got picked by google to release the nexus but without that ropeline they'd likely be out of the smartphone business all together.

And HTC was the #1 selling OEM before Samsung. And after Samsung, there will be someone else. The reason why Samsung is big is because they produced a look/design that the majority liked over the rest. Others were not coming out with good designs or were producing to many models and saturating the market. Now others are coming out with Good designs and if Samsung ditches Android, others will pick up the slack. History has proven this. Issues with HTC and other OEMs have nothing to do with using Android. It has to do with they way their products look and how they worked and the number of different models HTC was putting out. Do you really think the same OEMs that are not doing well will do well by keeping everything the same except the OS?


Android will simply be dead within 2 years.

And in two years when Android will be around still, I will point that out to you. But hey, i dont have the power of seeing hte future like you do. And yes, I guess I am the clueless one since I realize there are othe OEMs that can do well with Android, that android will not be dead in 2yrs, and that there is a huge Android following. Android may not have as big of market share, but they will still be here in 2yrs.

You are clueless in live in a tech bubble thinking everyone follows tech blogs and forums, they don't.

Please show me where I said that everyone looks and follows the android tech blogs. I bet you cannot as I said that there is a huge community supporting/modding android. Never said everyone. Just more of your nonsense?

Its hard to take you seriously when all you do is troll and throw out obscenities towards a platform that you know little to nothing about.

Now, please excuse me since I need to get out of my "bubble" and take a look at some things.

I wouldn't say android would be dead in 2 years or at all once tizen phones come out but everything else you're saying is right on the mark.

I'm wondering why so few companies have tried to fork android like amazon did.

This makes perfect sense considering China's recently purported fear of Android's wild success.

As long as it actually runs Android apps well, rather than running only a few of them as is often the case, then this really could be the death of Android in China. Not to mention that Samsung is a Chinese company, which means that they also have that "Made At Home" advantage.

I suspect that that is the entire purpose of this OS: to help China get away from Android, which China just stated a few weeks ago that they wanted to do. Windows Phone is likely not even part of the equation, but it wouldn't be surprising to see Samsung drop support for WP because they have not shown any impressive devices so far, which is why they immediately lost the top selling spot once Nokia entered the WP market.

Edited by pickypg, Mar 15 2013, 4:50pm :

techbeck said,

What a load of nonsense. Just because the majority of people do not look at tech blogs and such, doesnt mean there isnt a huge Android following like you claimed there isnt. There are several android communites that gets lots of traffic, Cyanogen, AOKP, and others support the hell out of Android for many devices and thousands of people download and use those ROMs/mods. Android is more than Samsung, there isa huge following and your blatant hate for the platform is blinding you. And again, they do care and will care what OS they are running if they want their apps to work since the same apps are not available on all platforms.

And HTC was the #1 selling OEM before Samsung. And after Samsung, there will be someone else. The reason why Samsung is big is because they produced a look/design that the majority liked over the rest. Others were not coming out with good designs or were producing to many models and saturating the market. Now others are coming out with Good designs and if Samsung ditches Android, others will pick up the slack. History has proven this. Issues with HTC and other OEMs have nothing to do with using Android. It has to do with they way their products look and how they worked and the number of different models HTC was putting out. Do you really think the same OEMs that are not doing well will do well by keeping everything the same except the OS?

And in two years when Android will be around still, I will point that out to you. But hey, i dont have the power of seeing hte future like you do. And yes, I guess I am the clueless one since I realize there are othe OEMs that can do well with Android, that android will not be dead in 2yrs, and that there is a huge Android following. Android may not have as big of market share, but they will still be here in 2yrs.

Please show me where I said that everyone looks and follows the android tech blogs. I bet you cannot as I said that there is a huge community supporting/modding android. Never said everyone. Just more of your nonsense?

Its hard to take you seriously when all you do is troll and throw out obscenities towards a platform that you know little to nothing about.

Now, please excuse me since I need to get out of my "bubble" and take a look at some things.

Samsung is the #1 oem because their marketing budget far exceeds apple and microsofts. Look at the market cap of Samsung, they are a massive industry. They can manufacture the entire phone with little to no outside sourcing needs, other oems simply are not able to do that.

There is a reason oems can make more off Tizen - for one they wont have to pay $15+ dollars to Microsoft to use it like they do with Android. That is pure profit on every device sold back to the OEM. As more OEM's see that Tizen can benefit off the android app ecosystem without having the patent encumbrance of Android and without the patent payments to Microsoft one has to wonder why keep selling Android when Tizen does everything anyway?

If Samsung was so happy with Android why would they codevelop Tizen with Intel and other industry figures? it's quite clear they aren't happy about Android, this likely stems from them wanting to control the entre stack - hardware and software and pushing others like google out. They also want to avoid paying patents to Microsoft and keep $15 per handset in profit.

You are under the impression people are buying Android - they are not, they are buying into an established ecosystem of apps. Tizen is able to run android apps so the ecosystem is there. You also say HTC was the #1 oem until Samsung came up with great hardware - that's partially true - HTC was one of the first oems to support android, Samsung came out with a very nice device when people were saying android was limping along. Now what happens if Samsung releases the galaxy s 5 with tizen on it and no android version? What makes u think everyone wouldn't jump to that flashy new device? Because under the hood it doesn't run android but tizen - even though every android app runs on it? I don't think so, if everyone wanted the pure google android experience they would be buying Nexus devices not Samsung Galaxy devices, they don't care about android - they care about the use-case which Tizen can supply..

Your assumption that a few million people visiting tech blogs is the majority is hilarious at best. It's a tiny fraction of the population of smartphone buyers. People visting rom sites are also very limited in numbers, if the majority of people were interested or knew about running custom roms then android wouldn't have 40% of it's user base stuck on 2.2 now would it?

Google and Motorola simply have lack the capacity to produce the number of devices to replace Samsung. The other oems seeing there are zero patents to pay to Microsfot will see that Tizen is a better solution and that trying to compete directly against Google makes no sense. Other oems are already willing to try out WP, FireFox OS and Ubuntu to try and find a solution to their android problem; why not try Tizen?

Android is a dead duck. Sure I may have blind hatred toward android, but you have blind faith and are not willing to see that the largest oem (not by luck) is willing to pull out and that will have a major effect on android.

Edited by , Mar 15 2013, 4:15pm :


Samsung is the #1 oem because their marketing budget far exceeds apple and microsofts. Look at the market cap of Samsung, they are a massive industry. They can manufacture the entire phone on their phone without little to no outside sourcing needs, other oems simply are not able to do that.

And I guess Apple and MS cannot increase their marketting budget at all then. Apparently they must not have any money to do so..../s Apple spent close to what Samsung did last year for advertising.


There is a reason oems can make more off Tizen - for one they wont have to pay $15+ dollars to Microsoft to use it like they do with Android. That is pure profit on every device sold back to the OEM. As more OEM's see that Tizen can benefit off the android app ecosystem without having the patent encumbrance of Android and without the patent payments to Microsoft one has to wonder why keep selling Android when Tizen does everything anyway?

How do you know what Tizen uses and if they wont have to pay MS anyting? How do you know they wouldnt have to license this from Samsung and pay Samsung? You seem to know everything while Samsung hasnt given out much info.


If Samsung was so happy with Android why would they codevelop Tizen with Intel and other industry figures? it's quite clear they aren't happy about Android, this likely stems from them wanting to control the entre stack - hardware and software and pushing others like google out. They also want to avoid paying patents to Microsoft and keep $15 per handset in profit.

Because Samsungs never really relied on Android to much. Their TW interface is basically what everyone sees and you see very little Android. I will give you they are probably doing Tizen to be cheaper on their end.


Your assumption that a few million people visiting tech blogs is the majority is hilarious at best. It's a tiny fraction of the population of smartphone buyers. People visting rom sites are also very limited in numbers, if the majority of people were interested or knew about running custom roms then android wouldn't have 40% of it's user base stuck on 2.2 now would it?

Never said millions, I said thousands visit the tech sites. Do you read and understand what I am saying here? And 2.2 is Froyo which is on less that 12 percent of the devieces. Do you know what you are talking about?


Android is a dead duck. Sure I may have blind hatred toward android, but you have blind faith and are not willing to see that the largest oem (not by luck) is willing to pull out and that will have a major effect on android.

Me have blind faith? Seriously, I have said many times that if Android doesnt do anything to keep my interest peaked, that I would pick a different platform...most likey WP. I also have said there were things about Android I dont like. But hey, I guess that is your definition of blind faith.

Google and Motorola simply have lack the capacity to produce the number of devices to replace Samsung. The other oems seeing there are zero patents to pay to Microsfot will see that Tizen is a better solution and that trying to compete directly against Google makes no sense. Other oems are already willing to try out WP, FireFox OS and Ubuntu to try and find a solution to their android problem; why not try Tizen?

According to YOU they lack the capacity. You have no info on what they are working on (and recent news points to something big) and you have no idea what OEMs will have to pay Microsoft to use Tizen (if anything at all) Companies have always tried new and different ideas with their products. some work out, some fall flat on their face. How would anything progress if they didnt try different things? Its called innovating and competing.

I never said that IF Samsung ditched Android that it wouldnt have a big impact. I said if Samsung ditched Android they may lose some market share but htey will survive and it gives a chance for others to do well. Did you fully read anything I said or just skimmed thru it? Seems like you just skimmed through it.

You are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing but whats going on in your head. Maybe some of it is accurate, maybe some if it is a load...either way, I am not going to speculate on something that no one really has any info on yet. I am just commenting on past trends/current trends which none lead to Android going anywhere and Samsung completely ditching Android (and why would they unless Tizen takes off and it will take time to determine that).

techbeck said,

And I guess Apple and MS cannot increase their marketting budget at all then. Apparently they must not have any money to do so..../s Apple spent close to what Samsung did last year for advertising.

How do you know what Tizen uses and if they wont have to pay MS anyting? How do you know they wouldnt have to license this from Samsung and pay Samsung? You seem to know everything while Samsung hasnt given out much info.

Because Samsungs never really relied on Android to much. Their TW interface is basically what everyone sees and you see very little Android. I will give you they are probably doing Tizen to be cheaper on their end.

Never said millions, I said thousands visit the tech sites. Do you read and understand what I am saying here? And 2.2 is Froyo which is on less that 12 percent of the devieces. Do you know what you are talking about?

Me have blind faith? Seriously, I have said many times that if Android doesnt do anything to keep my interest peaked, that I would pick a different platform...most likey WP. I also have said there were things about Android I dont like. But hey, I guess that is your definition of blind faith.

According to YOU they lack the capacity. You have no info on what they are working on (and recent news points to something big) and you have no idea what OEMs will have to pay Microsoft to use Tizen (if anything at all) Companies have always tried new and different ideas with their products. some work out, some fall flat on their face. How would anything progress if they didnt try different things? Its called innovating and competing.

I never said that IF Samsung ditched Android that it wouldnt have a big impact. I said if Samsung ditched Android they may lose some market share but htey will survive and it gives a chance for others to do well. Did you fully read anything I said or just skimmed thru it? Seems like you just skimmed through it.

You are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing but whats going on in your head. Maybe some of it is accurate, maybe some if it is a load...either way, I am not going to speculate on something that no one really has any info on yet. I am just commenting on past trends/current trends which none lead to Android going anywhere and Samsung completely ditching Android (and why would they unless Tizen takes off and it will take time to determine that).

You really do like to throw the word clueless around when you make really clueless comments.

Why would Samsung and Intel make an new OS and intentionally make it patent encumbered. They very likely are looking at every single patent that MS has put forth saying this is what is in violation and are writing around it with Tizen - what company would not do that?

Will they be successful? Probabily partially they will - Microsoft is guaranteed to find patents that Tizen violates too; as Tizen runs on Linux - the end result will be payments to Microsoft and Samsung realize it; they are just looking to pay less than the $15 due to the numerous patents Android infringes.

Google and Motrola do lack the capacity to produce mass numbers of hardware. When did Google ever produce hardware and sell it in large numbers = NEVER. Motorola might have been able to years ago, Motrola is a shell company at this point and Google hopes investors don't hit them too hard when they realize the Motorola buy was useless; thus they have to keep hyping up some x-phone that this new acquisition is making. Google and Motrola Mobility both know the x-phone is nothing more than vaporware.

So you agree that Samsung never really relied on Android much, and much of what you see is touchwiz. So why exactly again do end-users that 'want' android flock to Samsungs phone? You made my point exactly. They don't care about android - they care about the app ecosystem and the flashy hardware. A Tizen Galaxy S 5 running touchwiz'd interface and can run all android apps - why exactly would they not buy that? As you said - Samsung never relied on Android and their 40+ million customers never cared for 'stock' android.

pgn said,
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More assumptions based of of nothing, again. Seriously, toss back a few, relax, and realize that your hate shouldnt be so. Competition is a good thing and your precious WP devices wouldnt be how they are without it. Instead we all would be stuck using iPhones if there was no one competing against others. Competition makes competing companies produce better products for the consumers. So I am glad Android, iPhone, and WP are the top 3 out there producing unique features to get people to switch to them. Its just gravy for the consumers and we benefit from it. Microsoft wants to take down Android, good, great, and as long as they do it by treating the customers right and leave the trash marketing behind, more power to them.

I am looking at the big picture here and seeing how different companies are good for each other. However, you are just focused in on hating Android when without them, WP wouldnt be as it is today. Just like Android wouldnt be as it is today if it had no competition. If there is no competition, what drives companies to produce new innovative products? They can produce one product, dont update it, and charge as much as they want.

i laugh in your blind face pgn. Android is outselling iOS and Windows phone with more market share and Windows Phone is on the rise. BB will be bought out by Lenovo or possibly MSFT and give Windows Phone more awesome phone capabilities. iOS will be caught in the flame and the next 2 years will be crazy but awesome.
So let the Sky Fall

Ezekiel Carsella said,
i laugh in your blind face pgn. Android is outselling iOS and Windows phone with more market share and Windows Phone is on the rise.

That wasnt what he was talking about. He said if/when Tizen comes out that then Android will be dead and no more.

Ezekiel Carsella said,
i laugh in your blind face pgn. Android is outselling iOS and Windows phone with more market share and Windows Phone is on the rise. BB will be bought out by Lenovo or possibly MSFT and give Windows Phone more awesome phone capabilities. iOS will be caught in the flame and the next 2 years will be crazy but awesome.
So let the Sky Fall

And who is selling the majority of those Android devices? Oh wait that's right, the company that's jumping ship.

Ezekiel Carsella said,
i laugh in your blind face pgn. Android is outselling iOS and Windows phone with more market share and Windows Phone is on the rise. BB will be bought out by Lenovo or possibly MSFT and give Windows Phone more awesome phone capabilities. iOS will be caught in the flame and the next 2 years will be crazy but awesome.
So let the Sky Fall

Lenovo? Might be. MS? I do not think so. Besides if BB is competing against WP and if Lenovo will take over the threat will only increase.

exactly there is no more room for anyone else that the FREAKIN CONSUMERS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF. Samsung just made the GS4 the best phone ever and you are saying they are jumping ship?

pgn said,

Samsung is the #1 oem because their marketing budget far exceeds apple and microsofts. Look at the market cap of Samsung, they are a massive industry. They can manufacture the entire phone with little to no outside sourcing needs, other oems simply are not able to do that.

There is a reason oems can make more off Tizen - for one they wont have to pay $15+ dollars to Microsoft to use it like they do with Android. That is pure profit on every device sold back to the OEM. As more OEM's see that Tizen can benefit off the android app ecosystem without having the patent encumbrance of Android and without the patent payments to Microsoft one has to wonder why keep selling Android when Tizen does everything anyway?

If Samsung was so happy with Android why would they codevelop Tizen with Intel and other industry figures? it's quite clear they aren't happy about Android, this likely stems from them wanting to control the entre stack - hardware and software and pushing others like google out. They also want to avoid paying patents to Microsoft and keep $15 per handset in profit.

You are under the impression people are buying Android - they are not, they are buying into an established ecosystem of apps. Tizen is able to run android apps so the ecosystem is there. You also say HTC was the #1 oem until Samsung came up with great hardware - that's partially true - HTC was one of the first oems to support android, Samsung came out with a very nice device when people were saying android was limping along. Now what happens if Samsung releases the galaxy s 5 with tizen on it and no android version? What makes u think everyone wouldn't jump to that flashy new device? Because under the hood it doesn't run android but tizen - even though every android app runs on it? I don't think so, if everyone wanted the pure google android experience they would be buying Nexus devices not Samsung Galaxy devices, they don't care about android - they care about the use-case which Tizen can supply..

Your assumption that a few million people visiting tech blogs is the majority is hilarious at best. It's a tiny fraction of the population of smartphone buyers. People visting rom sites are also very limited in numbers, if the majority of people were interested or knew about running custom roms then android wouldn't have 40% of it's user base stuck on 2.2 now would it?

Google and Motorola simply have lack the capacity to produce the number of devices to replace Samsung. The other oems seeing there are zero patents to pay to Microsfot will see that Tizen is a better solution and that trying to compete directly against Google makes no sense. Other oems are already willing to try out WP, FireFox OS and Ubuntu to try and find a solution to their android problem; why not try Tizen?

Android is a dead duck. Sure I may have blind hatred toward android, but you have blind faith and are not willing to see that the largest oem (not by luck) is willing to pull out and that will have a major effect on android.

what makes u think that MS will not get patent royalties from Tizen OEMs. If they infringe on MS patents then they have to pay.

3? 4?

Lets see:-
Windows Phone
iOS
Android
Bada
Symbian
Blackberry OS (can't remember the proper name)

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, of course we could split the windows phone versions too

I said there is only room for 3 important ones and I said top 4. i know Bada, Symbian, FireFox, Tizen, Meego, etc but NO ONE LIKE CONSUMERS DO OR CARE ABOUT THEM.

Ezekiel Carsella said,
what idiot would think that? no one knows what tizen is and no one would like it!

No one knows what windows phone is either rofl. I bet you more people know what Palm is than Windows Phone

Teebor said,
...of course we could split the windows phone versions too

How about we split the Android and iOS versions too then? There are plenty of phones out there still running older major versions of those OSes that'll never been updated.

Ezekiel Carsella said,
what idiot would think that? no one knows what tizen is and no one would like it!

Do you know what a Galaxy Phone is? Do you think people know it is an Android? So what if the GS5 is Tizen?