Should You Mesh or Me?

Late yesterday, Microsoft quietly opened up the Live Mesh Technical Preview to most anyone in the United States—less than a week after Apple launched MobileMe. Coincidence? Yeah, right. International users can join, too, simply by changing their Windows region and language to U.S.-English.

The announcement came on the Live Mesh forum, rather than the Live Mesh blog, which is where I would have looked for it. I suppose that broadening the Tech Preview without really telling many people is one way to avoid the kind of scale and service problems MobileMe had during last week's launch. C`mon, how many people follow the Live Mesh forum? I regularly blog this stuff, and I wasn't looking there. Thanks to LiveSide.net for finding the post. From the forum post: "The Live Mesh team is pleased to announce that anyone in the U.S. can now use Live Mesh just by signing in to www.mesh.com with a valid Windows Live ID. No sign up needed to participate!"

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you guys have obviously tried both to come to that decision? Would kinda like someone that has used both to put up some facts ATM and also what exactly mesh does (or is meant to have feature wise compared to mobileme). I don't have a .mac or mobileme, and i've tired mesh and looked at a friends mobileme to get a feel for it. I do think the push system is good on mobileme... maybe not worth $100 a year good.

Also don't you have to pay to sync live calendar with a PC? This is what I've heard and see around the place.

Have loved reading your posts above. Your fatal error has been to try to argue with logic, common-sense, and calm. I'm afraid that this doesn't apply to your typical Neowin user. You should know this already.

Well unlike MobileMe, it appears to be free, and it will eventually connect with Macs and mobiles, which is cool, as I've got both of those too.
I don't need push e-mail, a calendar, or contacts, because my phone will do all of that already. And to pay for an e-mail address? Thanks, but no thanks.

The nicest thing, is having that bit of storage space, that you could share files with others, or access from just about anywhere that has internet access. And the ability to sync files across devices.

Live Mesh seems like a great alternative, and the UI is pretty straightforward.

you do know when you get to be a 35yr old geek and you're stuck in a dead end job it's amusing to wind people up on forums? I have this argument with my friends all the time, they are forever turning up and showing me the latest apple product and i continually slag it off for being too shiny/too common etc. I don't particularly care if you use one product or another, i just find it amusing to watch people react to comments on a forum like i've insulted their mother :)

as for where you stated that Microsoft had copied apple, how about this:
"the ring thing is old its been done on Mac Front Row (probably heaps of other things aswell)."

this isnt real life, it's a set of scripts and a database. calm yourself, use what you want and enjoy it Personally I don't much like apple's approach to anything, but i appreciate they are bringing technology to the masses in a more palatable way than Microsoft etc have ever done. As for the mesh thing, i've tried it at home and on my mobile device but i've yet to see its full potential, but i can still give my opinion on what i've seen so far and on people's misguided comments.

(ZombieFly said @ #1)
as for where you stated that Microsoft had copied apple, how about this:
"the ring thing is old its been done on Mac Front Row (probably heaps of other things aswell)."

Just saying this effect was used in front row and got old quickly and I'm I'm 100% positive other things have also had this ring effect, eg. compiz fusion when changing apps (and a few other apps have also used it). I was basically stating that it was old and other apps have used this similar idea. I don't give a rats if it was apple, windows or google. It had nothing to do with copying anything.

offroadaaron
1. I don't like the ring effect its old and used everywhere and its totally outdated I feel.

i've tried it at home and on my mobile device

it doesn't work on mobiles yet!

man live is one big ball of mess! so disorganised, so slow, the ring thing is old its been done on Mac Front Row (probably heaps of other things aswell).

I don't like it one bit ATM, yes I know its beta or whatnot and free, but as it is now, I hate it and am not going to use it unless its fixed.

mobileme looks so much easier to use, faster, and just looks less stupid.

And the fact that its free means nothing really.... I would rather pay for something useful and easy to use than have some free trash. Its like getting a free calendar which was from 1999 and using it for today because it was free, no thanks!

also does Microsoft want anymore stupid domain names to go by? isn't it getting a bit beyond to joke now?

Also People want things to be easier and more automated, try not to make things harder MS.

Amazing how much people like this blindly follow Apple and diss anything Microsoft. Had you noticed that MobileMe is COMPLETE and FOR SALE while Mesh is in a Technical preview and doesn't even have most of its features? Technical preview means they are showing it but it is not complete! All it has now is file syncing between Windows computers, but that is not all it will have when it is complete. Why don't you just go to an Apple only site so that you don't have to read this news about "trash" Microsoft products which are FREE (meaning if you don't like it, you lose NOTHING!)

(mrp04 said @ #8.1)
Amazing how much people like this blindly follow Apple and diss anything Microsoft. Had you noticed that MobileMe is COMPLETE and FOR SALE while Mesh is in a Technical preview and doesn't even have most of its features? Technical preview means they are showing it but it is not complete! All it has now is file syncing between Windows computers, but that is not all it will have when it is complete. Why don't you just go to an Apple only site so that you don't have to read this news about "trash" Microsoft products which are FREE (meaning if you don't like it, you lose NOTHING!)

why are you on a forum if you can't deal with other peoples opinions? I've stated I know its in beta, but I don't like live at all!! My opinion stands that I don't like it as of this moment in time, and how can I base my opinion on the future when I don't know what its going to look like or what the other features are like.

Plus I don't mind some of microsofts products (eg i love my windows mobile and have bought nearly every microsoft product released, even some for the Mac), but lately I just really haven't found them to be very innovative (eg. I bought Vista Ultimate, nuff said).

This is my opinion, if your going to flame me because its negative then thats just childish and sad.

PS: title "Should You Mesh or Me? its about mobileme and about mesh to some degree, so WTH are you on about! AND it has Apple Mac sync aswell so it has something to do with Apple aswell!!!

man live is one big ball of mess! so disorganised, so slow, the ring thing is old its been done on Mac Front Row (probably heaps of other things aswell).

lol......live is slightly disorganized but slow? lol please....ring thing? please again....just stfu

I don't like it one bit ATM, yes I know its beta or whatnot and free, but as it is now, I hate it and am not going to use it unless its fixed.

Naturally, don't give ANY info as to why, just claim it sucks and everyone will really care about what you think

mobileme looks so much easier to use, faster, and just looks less stupid.

live mesh has a VERY good ui thats easy as hell to use....and its fast as well

And the fact that its free means nothing really.... I would rather pay for something useful and easy to use than have some free trash. Its like getting a free calendar which was from 1999 and using it for today because it was free, no thanks!

blah blah blah read my previous point

also does Microsoft want anymore stupid domain names to go by? isn't it getting a bit beyond to joke now?

lol...now lets talk about the domain names great...because livemesh.com doesn't give you any idea what the product is about....you know microsoft has hundreds of programs right? If they did what apple did and just list them on their main page, you would spend half a year looking for windows...

Also People want things to be easier and more automated, try not to make things harder MS.

Live mesh is easy to use and does what its suppossed to do. It is still a TECH PREVIEW not a final product, so yes it will be more automated, yes it will be faster to use, and yes it will be a more polished product in the end...quit your trolling

Naturally, don't give ANY info as to why, just claim it sucks and everyone will really care about what you think???

I already stated:
1. I don't like the ring effect its old and used everywhere and its totally outdated I feel.
2. mobileme looks so much easier to use, faster to me.
3. And at this present time I feel that mobileme is better going by how mesh looks at present!
4. I find Live to be very disjointed, feels like 5 different groups of people have put it together and just doesn't feel right to me (this is not just about mesh so much though!)
and 5. I can state my opinion, its my opinion and this is a forum for discussion, negative feedback or not.

Live mesh is easy to use and does what its suppossed to do. It is still a TECH PREVIEW not a final product, so yes it will be more automated, yes it will be faster to use, and yes it will be a more polished product in the end...quit your trolling

I already stated this twice now, I know this!

as for the trolling I've used this and didn't like it, you people are the ones coming back at me tolling? so please stop your trolling, as I have stated my point and what I don't like about it. I feel they are valid points.

Title stated, once again for you people who can't read: Should You Mesh or Me?
I'm am stating I would rather Me! is that so bad?

now stop your trolling, state what you like and why and get over me not liking it?

@ offroadaaron
you sir, are a grade A tool. Why do you need to compare everything with apple? take your substandard glossy plastic i**** fanboyism elsewhere please.

I wish i could use my livemesh, unfortunately the "software house" i work for is a joke and block everything on the internet so i cant really experience it properly. Thank god i'm about to resign and go somewhere else

(ZombieFly said @ #8.5)
@ offroadaaron
you sir, are a grade A tool. Why do you need to compare everything with apple? take your substandard glossy plastic i**** fanboyism elsewhere please.

sigh, the topic once again (fifth time now probably) if you didn't see it when you clicked on it, is: "Should You Mesh or Me?"

then goes on to state:
"Late yesterday, Microsoft quietly opened up the Live Mesh Technical Preview to most anyone in the United States—less than a week after Apple launched MobileMe.".

"I suppose that broadening the Tech Preview without really telling many people is one way to avoid the kind of scale and service problems MobileMe had during last week's launch"

Comparing enough?

you sir need to start reading or go elsewhere please.

I don't see how liking 1 product over another is fanboyism. Looks like you people are doing the same thing right now! look at yourselves, rofl, fighting me about a product I don't like calling me names because I don't like it, to me that is a fanboi style attitude.

I have no problem with Microsoft, Mac, or Linux I use them all daily.... So whats the problem with liking Mobileme > Mesh?

@ ZombieFly your comment is meaningless, sorry, please go back to where you came from and troll there.

(offroadaaron said @ #8.6)
@ offroadaaron

I have no problem with Microsoft, Mac, or Linux I use them all daily.... So whats the problem with liking Mobileme > Mesh?

your comment is meaningless, sorry, please go back to where you came from and troll there.

the problem is you telling everyone that microsoft copied some apple thing, when mesh has been around as a tech preview for a while now.

I'm sick of apple lovers appearing from all over and bleating on about how their latest iDevice is better than mine. The truth is, none of the apple devices even compete in the real world, but they're all coated with so much gloss and hype that nobody can see that.

ipod - sound quality is poor in comparison to "reference" players
itunes - garbage software that i really dont want on my machines, but guess what, no damn choice.
iMac - limited software availability, almost zero games coverage compared to the pc
iPhone - sound quality, itunes, poor features for a phone. OH WAIT! TEH INTERFACE! yes, it's ALL about the interface isn't it?

I really dislike apple and all that they stand for. To me they are like the posh kid at school who never had a good word to say about anyone and basically looked like a **** to everyone else. But then that's my opinion. I have the same opinion of bmw drivers, they seem to think the badge extends their penis in some way. I find it sad. I also find it funny winding you all up with posts like this as you seem to take the bait immediately

As much as this turned into a ****ing match, the point is that offroadaaron made a few comments that sounded like pointless/mindless bashing to more than a few other readers. Refrain from doing that agian offroadaaron and you'll have to do less arguing.

If you don't like something, feel free to say it, but make sure you use constructive criticism - that'll make sure you don't sound like a stupid fanboy

[quote=(ZombieFly said @ #8.7)]

the problem is you telling everyone that microsoft copied some apple thing, when mesh has been around as a tech preview for a while now.

I'm sick of apple lovers appearing from all over and bleating on about how their latest iDevice is better than mine. The truth is, none of the apple devices even compete in the real world, but they're all coated with so much gloss and hype that nobody can see that.

ipod - sound quality is poor in comparison to "reference" players
itunes - garbage software that i really dont want on my machines, but guess what, no damn choice.
iMac - limited software availability, almost zero games coverage compared to the pc
iPhone - sound quality, itunes, poor features for a phone. OH WAIT! TEH INTERFACE! yes, it's ALL about the interface isn't it?

I really dislike apple and all that they stand for. To me they are like the posh kid at school who never had a good word to say about anyone and basically looked like a **** to everyone else. But then that's my opinion. I have the same opinion of bmw drivers, they seem to think the badge extends their penis in some way. I find it sad. I also find it funny winding you all up with posts like this as you seem to take the bait immediately :)[/quote]

wow so I bashed Live and Mesh which are completely connected and on topic (with some valid points) and you decide to bash Apple, stating you sick of Apple Lovers (when all I stated was I liked Mobileme > Mesh and live). I see how this is completely on topic (/sarcasm).

You state you haven't tried it yet because of work blocking you. So why are you commenting on my judgment of the software then? (seems particularly fanboi to me?).

I don't see anywhere on here that I stated they copied Apple at all, all I said was that I preferred Mobileme > Live and Mesh.

I don't particularly care, I just find it funny a 35 y.o man is trying to bait me, I also find it sad. State some facts and I'll talk to you about it, but as of now I'm not replying to someone (that someone being you) that hasn't tried the software and is bashing random products for the hell of it.

(ZombieFly @ Jul 15 2008, 20:27) [snapback]589556267[/snapback]
I'm as bad as the apple fanbois really :p[/quote]


[quote]As much as this turned into a ****ing match, the point is that offroadaaron made a few comments that sounded like pointless/mindless bashing to more than a few other readers. Refrain from doing that agian offroadaaron and you'll have to do less arguing.

If you don't like something, feel free to say it, but make sure you use constructive criticism - that'll make sure you don't sound like a stupid fanboy[/quote]

Thanks mate I didn't mean to bash Microsoft itself, Just my personal opinion is that I like them and I think they could do sooo much better than this and I rather 1 product over the other, just like I would've rather have bought Vista home premium instead of Vista Ultimate.

Fact is I have actually tried it, didn't like it, and told the truth about how I feel.

I have been using Live Mesh for about 3 months now and I love it. I know that MobileMe is the same with some good features, others quite useless, but what makes me love Live Mesh compared to MobileMe is the simple fact that Live Mesh is FREE and NOT a subscription.

I think the fact that Microsoft has pubicised this at the launch of mobile me is a bit of a coincidence but what makes me laugh is that people seem to think that Mobile me (and other apple products for that matter) just seem to appear as fully functioning products/services! And then try and compare Technical previews and BETA's to them. Whats that all about? How long as mobile me been in technical preview/beta? Oh I'm sorry "it just works!!"

I don't really know what my point is but i'm sure someone will get what i'm talking about!!

"Coincidence? Yeah, right"

No, anti-Microsoft paranoia would be my vote. I'm sure Microsoft threw this together in "less than a week" simply to catch up to Apple.

"I regularly blog this stuff, and I wasn't looking there."
Ahhh... in other words, you blog even though you don't really have much of a clue.


You know, Joe, you don't have to keep proving your ignorant idiocy to us. We GET it. Hopefully you can find a real job someday. It won't be in IT. I'd start with McDonald's and see if you can work your way up.

I concur. The fact is this has been in the works for months, if not years. Why that bloke seems to want to constantly compare this to MobileMe I don't know. But in any case, Live Mesh is a technical preview (not even a beta) so any comparisons is completely futile.

Exactly. I've been using Mesh for months now (outside of the US too lol) and they've just released a few major updates to Mesh which add quite a bit more functionality - possibly the real reason it's out of the private beta world.

So they look the same thing but Live Mesh has an easy way to remote desktop and MobileMe has a better intergration of your contacts, email, calender, and pictures. Live Mesh will come out with an SDK so maybe it will have some features like MobileMe.

Im Just playing around and I can play (stream) mp3 music files from my Live Mesh folder.

I thought anyone could get into the Live Mesh thing by just adding it to their Connect.

Anyway, MS has had a head start on so called cloud computing before Apple

Just adding it to your Connect doesn't give you access, that was more of a request to be invited.

Just wanna say though that I've been using Live Mesh since the semi-private beta started, and I love it. I have the client on two work PCs and two PCs at home, and it's a god-send for sharing files around them. I love how you can just add a folder to your mesh, and almost instantly it appears on the others ready to be synched. Top stuff!