Silverlight powered Bing 2.0 on its way this month?

That's the message coming out of yesterday's annual company meeting at Microsoft. Several Microsoft employees tweeted that Microsoft's improvements to Bing maps is "exciting" with one going as far as to claim "BING 2.0 terrific !! watch out guys ! bing + silverlight in maps = amazing !! goodbye google".

One Microsoft tweet-aholic claims that the company is set to release the update next week whilst others claim it will be ready at some stage in September. According to Mary Jo Foley, who spotted the twitter updates, company officials would neither confirm or deny the reports, claiming "we're very excited about some of the new Bing features set to roll out over the next few months, but have nothing to announce today". Mini-microsoft, an anonymous insider, confirmed the Bing 2.0 demo, claiming it was "map goodness"

Microsoft used the annual company meeting as a place to rally the troops and provide product demos to nearly 20,000 Microsoft staff members. Company officials also unveiled the first Windows 7 commercial at the event yesterday in downtown Seattle.

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Cool. I look forward to seeing this new Bing. So far I've been really happy with Bing, and have found myself using that more than Google (And I didn't think I'd ever leave Google). I can't wait to see what Microsoft has planned for Bing 2.0!

I hope they also have a refresh of their Mobile version of Bing with some cool new features.

Say what you want about Microsoft and/or Windows, but I think Bing is a great service. It's quick, simple and just as efficient as Google. Unfortunately, "Google it" has become ingrained in our society, so it will be interesting to see how far Microsoft can take Bing.

Both Google's and Bing's satellite images of this city (central texas) are 2.5 years or older. How about getting better content?

And I use Google maps most the time because Bing maps do not update various sections of the map ( well they do very slowly) when you move to different areas. This alone is very annoying and will keep my from using Bing maps.

Bing loads up the other sections of the map fine for me without much stutter at all. Or just about the same as Google's.

With Silverlight, this might change and be even more noticeable in quick rendering.

Silverlight would make the experience much smoother. Javascript blows. At least the implementation in all the browsers, including super fast engines like V8. It just does not feel fluid.

Would be great if they actually tried to make Bing more worldwide with features. UK Bing has multi maps powered by Bing, sort that one out MS.

I very much look forward to using Bing Maps enhanced by Silverlight browser technology. I love Bing Maps (formerly Microsoft Maps). It's extremely fast and seriously smooth. Try zooming with the mouse-wheel -- an awesome user experience.

The client-side code used to surface Bing Maps is a a really innovative, elegant solution. The server is state-of-the-art, and the architecture utilises streaming technology to control the flow of data. I wonder if the new Maps will use Silverlight 3.0.

I agree that the client-side code is great.

However I feel that they're behind Google in up-to-date imagery. Whether this is actually the case or not I don't know!

DonC said,
I agree that the client-side code is great.

However I feel that they're behind Google in up-to-date imagery. Whether this is actually the case or not I don't know!

There are places where Yahoo Maps is more updated though.

I end up triple-checking among Bing Maps, Google Maps, and Yahoo Maps.

I really hope Silverlight knocks Flash out of the way. It's much better. Although better doesn't always mean it's popular.

x-byte said,
I really hope Silverlight knocks Flash out of the way. It's much better. Although better doesn't always mean it's popular.

waiting for x64 version of flash and slverlight then I can fianlly complete my switch to a 64 bit OS

Rolith said,
x64 bit version for...which mainstream x64bit browsers exactly?

Well ever hear of Internet Explorer? Enthusiast Firefox Builds and the rumored Chrome 64bit build.

It is kind of a catch 22. 64bit browsers are not widely used because plugins are not available. The companies making the plugins feel no pressure to produce 64bit plugins because the demand isn't there...

So the real news here is that Microsoft are excited by their next update to Bing? Well, there's a shock revelation. Keep bringing us the inside scoop, guys. In other news, I think I am great at sex and get better each time I do it!

SniperX said,
So the real news here is that Microsoft are excited by their next update to Bing? Well, there's a shock revelation. Keep bringing us the inside scoop, guys. In other news, I think I am great at sex and get better each time I do it!

No, the news here is that they're planning big updates to Bing Maps, and greater use of Silverlight. Pretty simple.

it will take a while to knock the big G off its throne...it can be done though..and Microsoft is bringing out the big guns to do it with..bout time they got their head in the game

Windows7even said,
it will take a while to knock the big G off its throne...it can be done though..and Microsoft is bringing out the big guns to do it with..bout time they got their head in the game

The problem with Microsoft is they are not trying to compete by being the best search engine, they try to do it using dodgy methods, like paying people to use the engine, billion dollar ad campaigns. Then they also game the results, like changing the results for "Windows sucks" so they point to pro-Windows pages.

Microsoft have great products, but they also have this history of being very dodgy. When will they stop doing this stuff?

cakesy, I'm surprised you are still accusing such things when you know your accusations are false. If you are going to communicate such bold statements, why don't you provide some proof? You know, to give your statements credibility.

cakesy said,
The problem with Microsoft is they are not trying to compete by being the best search engine, they try to do it using dodgy methods, like paying people to use the engine, billion dollar ad campaigns. Then they also game the results, like changing the results for "Windows sucks" so they point to pro-Windows pages.

Microsoft have great products, but they also have this history of being very dodgy. When will they stop doing this stuff?


you mean like google paying firefox ****loads of money to make their engine the default firefox search engine? And what is wrong or dodgy about advertising?

By the way, if I search for windows sucks or microsoft sucks on bing I'm definately not getting pro-Windows pages. If you make accusations that are easy to verify, at least make sure they are true. You're a troll of the worst kind!

Cakesy is a professional troll, he always ends his comments with something like: "Microsoft have some decent products" or "I can't wait to try Windows 7", just to cover his tracks.

But everything he says before that is blind anti-microsoft propaganda and usually completely incorrect. He's run out of real things to complain about so now he has started to complain about a company advertising their product, hilarious.

At the moment I prefer Google to Bing, I found Bing lacked on the quality of search results, especially for images.

cakesy said,
The problem with Microsoft is they are not trying to compete by being the best search engine, they try to do it using dodgy methods, like paying people to use the engine, billion dollar ad campaigns. Then they also game the results, like changing the results for "Windows sucks" so they point to pro-Windows pages.

Microsoft have great products, but they also have this history of being very dodgy. When will they stop doing this stuff?

I like competition.

Google has been so stale these past years.

Google deserves competition.

thenonhacker said,
I like competition.

Google has been so stale these past years.

Google deserves competition.

How can you say Google maps has been stale? Their UI has been in constant flux and they've added tons of features (street view, traffic info, bus routes, customizable directions, etc)

Minimoose said,
Cakesy is a professional troll, he always ends his comments with something like: "Microsoft have some decent products" or "I can't wait to try Windows 7", just to cover his tracks.

But everything he says before that is blind anti-microsoft propaganda and usually completely incorrect. He's run out of real things to complain about so now he has started to complain about a company advertising their product, hilarious.

At the moment I prefer Google to Bing, I found Bing lacked on the quality of search results, especially for images.


I know, there are only two types of people here, fanboys or trolls. Either you love Microsoft unreservedly, or you are a troll. It is all black and white here.

cakesy said,
I know, there are only two types of people here, fanboys or trolls. Either you love Microsoft unreservedly, or you are a troll. It is all black and white here.

Says the guy who thinks advertising is a dodgy business tactic.

Goodbye Google maps? doubtful. Each map site has features that people like and that people hate. Mapquest still has a strong (yet dwindling) following but it's what's familiar that keeps people coming back. Bing Looks sweet but once again people have grown accustomed to Google. Why would I switch to using Bing when I still get more detail and closer matches with Google? Not to mention being a daily user for well over a decade. Best of luck for their effort until they close bing and reopen it as a re-branded BingAhoo or something.

DATmafia said,
Why would I switch to using Bing when I still get more detail and closer matches with Google?

How do you know what they're planning?

Well most likely because of the enhanced user experience it offers.

http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

This here is a Silverlight powered App using bing maps, and its most definitely a MUCH better experience than either the normal google maps or bing maps. Very nice and smooth zooming in and panning and whatnot, likely powered by Deepzoom. Now imagine that but with the full range of Map features and you'll probably get the idea.

Silverlight doesn't work with Opera (without a nasty hack), Microsoft doesn't officially support Linux, it sucks.
Google works with every browser, it's simple and easy to use. Its search engine is the best, fast, doesn't load heavy images to increase traffic, doesn't even compare to others.
Microsoft's search engine will fail once more.

Lechio said,
Silverlight doesn't work with Opera (without a nasty hack), Microsoft doesn't officially support Linux, it sucks.
Google works with every browser, it's simple and easy to use. Its search engine is the best, fast, doesn't load heavy images to increase traffic, doesn't even compare to others.
Microsoft's search engine will fail once more.


Silverlight DOES work with Opera, I'm using it right now with absolutely no hackery involved o.O Granted not everyone is going to have access to Silverlight, but those who do will probably find a much better experience, and frankly a lot of people already find the current Bing upto par, or even better than google. And it works with every browser too.

~Johnny said,
Silverlight DOES work with Opera, I'm using it right now with absolutely no hackery involved o.O Granted not everyone is going to have access to Silverlight, but those who do will probably find a much better experience, and frankly a lot of people already find the current Bing upto par, or even better than google. And it works with every browser too.

Doesn't work here. Running Opera on Debian Linux. How did you you make it work with Opera, may I ask?

Silverlight DOES work with Opera here as well.
Maybe Linux is the problem, not Opera.
Working perfectly fine here on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate RC.

Hamidxa said,
Silverlight DOES work with Opera here as well.
Maybe Linux is the problem, not Opera.
Working perfectly fine here on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate RC.

Doesn't work on Opera + Linux currently. It's not a Linux problem, "Linux" isn't responsible for a proprietary software developed by Microsoft.
http://go-mono.com/moonlight-beta/

Rolith said,
Except Moonlight ISNT a proprietary Microsoft product....

It's an open source product funded by and supported by Microsoft...

Moonlight is an open source implementation of Silverlight, primarily for Linux and other Unix/X11 based operating systems. In September of 2007, Microsoft and Novell announced a technical collaboration that includes access to Microsoft's test suites for Silverlight and the distribution of a Media Pack for Linux users that will contain licensed media codecs for video and audio.


Moonlight 2.0 contains code that is licensed under the terms of the GNU LGPL and the MIT X11 licenses, it includes the graphical C++ engine, the Mono Runtime and the Mono class libraries.

The Microsoft Media Pack is a product distributed by Microsoft that includes a license to the various media codecs for video and audio and is available from Microsoft's web site for Moonlight to consume.

Users of Moonlight interested in using this on embedded systems should contact the Mono at Novell team to obtain a commercial license. See our Licensing page for details.

~Johnny said,
http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

This here is a Silverlight powered App using bing maps, and its most definitely a MUCH better experience than either the normal google maps or bing maps. Very nice and smooth zooming in and panning and whatnot, likely powered by Deepzoom. Now imagine that but with the full range of Map features and you'll probably get the idea.


AMAZING

~Johnny said,
Well most likely because of the enhanced user experience it offers.

http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

This here is a Silverlight powered App using bing maps, and its most definitely a MUCH better experience than either the normal google maps or bing maps. Very nice and smooth zooming in and panning and whatnot, likely powered by Deepzoom. Now imagine that but with the full range of Map features and you'll probably get the idea.


The map coverage plays a much greater role for me. Bing Maps international map coverage sucks compared to Google's from my experience. Who cares about the smooth zooms if you can't locate various spots in the world?

~Johnny said,
Well most likely because of the enhanced user experience it offers.

http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

This here is a Silverlight powered App using bing maps, and its most definitely a MUCH better experience than either the normal google maps or bing maps. Very nice and smooth zooming in and panning and whatnot, likely powered by Deepzoom. Now imagine that but with the full range of Map features and you'll probably get the idea.

I'm not sure whet browser you're using or what your hardware specs are but over here (C2D E8400/Chrome/Win7 x64) that Silverlight map doesn't run any smoother than Google maps and it takes noticeably longer to redraw the area after I zoom.

pc_tool said,


And google bought out a company called Keyhole, that actually designed google earth.

Big deal


So they cloned Google Earth....oh boy....

DATmafia said,
Goodbye Google maps? doubtful. Each map site has features that people like and that people hate. Mapquest still has a strong (yet dwindling) following but it's what's familiar that keeps people coming back. Bing Looks sweet but once again people have grown accustomed to Google. Why would I switch to using Bing when I still get more detail and closer matches with Google? Not to mention being a daily user for well over a decade. Best of luck for their effort until they close bing and reopen it as a re-branded BingAhoo or something.


A) This doesn't specifically have to do with 'maps'

B) Bing/Live maps is the original satellite map image software on the Internet coming from the terra server and virtual earth projects started by Microsoft to test their SQL database software with large amounts of data as a proof of concept. Google is a copy of Microsoft's work and about 5 years after terraserver.

C) You are correct, people use what mapping software they are familar with, and you will find that Google employees even complain that their friends and family use mapquest or expedia/live/bing because people use what they are use to cause they don't know the others exist.

D) Some do things better than others. Let them compete it out, more features for all of us.

~Johnny said,
Well most likely because of the enhanced user experience it offers.

http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

This here is a Silverlight powered App using bing maps, and its most definitely a MUCH better experience than either the normal google maps or bing maps. Very nice and smooth zooming in and panning and whatnot, likely powered by Deepzoom. Now imagine that but with the full range of Map features and you'll probably get the idea.

It is definitely snappier than Google Maps. Images update a lot faster while zooming in.

pc_tool said,



So they cloned Google Earth....oh boy....


Actually Google Earth is a clone of Microsoft's Virtual Earth.

Where have you been kiddo?

The original project was a test of SQL and large amounts of data, terabytes, hence the pun of terraserver.

Terraserver split off to provide private images to people but the original Microsoft Terra server can still be found at:

http://terraserver.microsoft.net

What you are missing, is the person was demonstrating a 'silverlight' control that uses Virtual Earth data instead of having to run a separate application or install a plug-in like, which both Google Earth and Microsoft Virtual Maps require if you want to see enhanced or 3D versions of the maps.

It would be like a Flash application showing Google Earth content, although the 3D in Flash is a bit harder to achieve where Silverlight can do this with a few lines of code in the latest versions.

What you are missing, is the person was demonstrating a 'silverlight' control that uses Virtual Earth data instead of having to run a separate application or install a plug-in like

That sure is funny, here i thought Silverlight was a proprietary plug-in from Microsoft. I had no idea my Firefox supports it out of the box. Silverlight is now a freely available open standard which anyone can implement? Where can i download the complete specification?

pc_tool said,
That sure is funny, here i thought Silverlight was a proprietary plug-in from Microsoft. I had no idea my Firefox supports it out of the box. Silverlight is now a freely available open standard which anyone can implement? Where can i download the complete specification?


THAT'S what you homed in on? That one line? Right there? His whole post that essentially made you look completely misinformed, and you homed in one two extra words that allowed you to miss the point completely?

I mean, is this some sort of mystical troll-fu? I don't understand. Your world view is baffling. Are there really people like this?

Do you, you know, do they give you a driver's license and let you watch R-rated movies? I'm just wondering. I mean, ability to perceive and judge the world around you and tell reality from otherwise. I mean, I'd ask if you were allowed to vote, but that right's given to anyone and their dimwit uncle nowadays.

pc_tool said,
That sure is funny, here i thought Silverlight was a proprietary plug-in from Microsoft. I had no idea my Firefox supports it out of the box. Silverlight is now a freely available open standard which anyone can implement? Where can i download the complete specification?



firefox has out of the box support for plugins like silverlight and moonlight(the open source implementation of silverlight that runs on linux ) just like it has support for the flash plugin out of the box.

and here's a link to a link to the specification, novell has implemented silverlight 2.0 for linux(Moonlight) and is working with 3.0 now
http://blogs.windowsclient.net/rob_relyea/...-published.aspx

the msdn link to all the xaml specifications
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd...9(PROT.10).aspx

that was the first result returned from a search engine when i searched for "silverlight specification", so use your head and you won't look like such a tool.. btw the .net framework is an open spec as well :O

Drew.0 said,
firefox has out of the box support for plugins like silverlight and moonlight(the open source implementation of silverlight that runs on linux ) just like it has support for the flash plugin out of the box.

and here's a link to a link to the specification, novell has implemented silverlight 2.0 for linux(Moonlight) and is working with 3.0 now
http://blogs.windowsclient.net/rob_relyea/...-published.aspx

the msdn link to all the xaml specifications
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd...9(PROT.10).aspx

that was the first result returned from a search engine when i searched for "silverlight specification", so use your head and you won't look like such a tool.. btw the .net framework is an open spec as well :O

i really wish you were not so stupid. The specs for the codecs are in there? If you knew anything, you would know they aren't. So no, you can not simply implement it. And the spec is really meaningless since Microsoft controls in and can change it at any time. How long do your really think the Mac version will exist? Take IE for example...

geoken said,
I'm not sure whet browser you're using or what your hardware specs are but over here (C2D E8400/Chrome/Win7 x64) that Silverlight map doesn't run any smoother than Google maps and it takes noticeably longer to redraw the area after I zoom.

Dude, Chrome? Who are you kidding. You need IE or Firefox and Silverlight installed.

whats with all the linux users constantly complaining about lack of support
its not like linux is significant in a market share point of view, and they always act suprised or outraged when someone deosnt want to support the 9999999 distro's out there, where half of them are pure garbage

you really really need to read tool..

pc_tool said,
[clipped due to ignorance] The specs for the codecs are in there?

as if silverlight was a codec.... VC1 (the codec you speak of) is an open standard established by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...choverview.aspx
The SMPTE standard for VC-1, SMPTE 421M, was originally based on Windows Media Video 9 codec. The Windows Media Video 9 codec is functionally equivalent to VC-1; it is the Microsoft implementation of the VC-1 standard. VC-1 includes the Simple, Main, and Advanced Profiles that are described in the Overview of VC-1 section of this article.



pc_tool said,
If you knew anything, you would know they aren't. So no, you can not simply implement it. And the spec is really meaningless since Microsoft controls in and can change it at any time.

if you knew enough to read then you would see that the standard isn't owned by MS. and since it's not owned by ms, ms does not have the spec on their site... SMPTE does though.. http://www.smpte.org/standards

pc_tool said,
How long do your really think the Mac version will exist? Take IE for example...


mono and moonlight (the open source implementations of .net and silverlight) works on macs as well.. go download a copy of it the source, then you can burn it to a cd and hide it in your basement to teach those guys at ms a lesson

geoken said,
I'm not sure whet browser you're using or what your hardware specs are but over here (C2D E8400/Chrome/Win7 x64) that Silverlight map doesn't run any smoother than Google maps and it takes noticeably longer to redraw the area after I zoom.

I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium x64 on a laptop that sports an nVidia 7150M and it draws much faster and more smoothly than Google maps.

Oh yeah, ROFL at the guy scared of the specs changing. So what if they do?

Not that the end user use to see a difference between that and Flash. *shrug* Besides on the platforms/browsers where Silverlight isn't even supported.

Jugalator said,
Not that the end user use to see a difference between that and Flash. *shrug* Besides on the platforms/browsers where Silverlight isn't even supported.

I see you've never tried Silverlight.

Glendi said,
I see you've never tried Silverlight.

If it's any consolation to you, I tried it. It wasn't very impressive. I didn't see anything that couldn't be done with Flash and/or AJAX and/or OpenGL--which are all cross-platform BTW. You should remember that this now includes all the mobile devices out there. Great marketing idea by MS to shut out all those non-Windows users from Bing!

a1ien said,
What silverlight gives you is GPU acceleration in the web browser.

~Johnny pointed us to this thing below: http://bingmapsupdates.cloudapp.net/

And its smoother in the web browser than Google Earth, what to speak of google maps. You need IE, or Firefox, and Silverlight.

I develop for both architecture silverlight and macromedia flash (flex ) and in my test i found that the so called gpu accelerated is just a buzz term rather a real feature. May be for videos, silverlight (2 and 3) is accelerate but for the rest is a bit slow and big.

toadeater said,
If it's any consolation to you, I tried it. It wasn't very impressive. I didn't see anything that couldn't be done with Flash and/or AJAX and/or OpenGL--which are all cross-platform BTW. You should remember that this now includes all the mobile devices out there. Great marketing idea by MS to shut out all those non-Windows users from Bing!


I'll try to put this diplomatically. I find it difficult to believe that you've tried it if you didn't immediately see major differences that distinguish this RIA technology from everything else that is currently available.

E.g. The first thing you'll notice (in the first millisecond) is that Silverlight has a proper IDE and has real programming languages. The software tools for Flash are a very long way from a proper IDE.

E.g. Try dynamically generating and an entire Flash app from scratch at runtime using pure JavaScript. It's impossible, but easy with Silverlight, offering an entirely new and infinitely flexible way of delivering web features. Flash ultimately ties you down to what's in the SWF, it's an old technology.

E.g. You can create Silverlight apps with no proprietary tools whatsoever if you want to. Flash does its best to tie you down to proprietary development tools and closed, inflexible proprietary formats like SWF.

toadeater said,
If it's any consolation to you, I tried it. It wasn't very impressive. I didn't see anything that couldn't be done with Flash and/or AJAX and/or OpenGL--which are all cross-platform BTW. You should remember that this now includes all the mobile devices out there. Great marketing idea by MS to shut out all those non-Windows users from Bing!


I'm with Glendi, obviously you have no clue what you are talking about hehe

You sound like a 55 year old lady taking a brand new car at the garage for a 10 min ride and then claiming after bringing it back to know all about the car.

toadeater said,
If it's any consolation to you, I tried it. It wasn't very impressive. I didn't see anything that couldn't be done with Flash and/or AJAX and/or OpenGL--which are all cross-platform BTW. You should remember that this now includes all the mobile devices out there. Great marketing idea by MS to shut out all those non-Windows users from Bing!

Neowin had a comparison of Flash and Silverlight a while back, and Silverlight won in most categories... It's much better thought out and designed than Flash. Not only that, but it allows you to do things that Flash can't. It's very nice... I'm sure Microsoft will have a Lite version available for the few instances where Silverlight wouldnt' be supported...