Silverlight to be in half of all Internet devices by 2010

With the release of Silverlight 3.0 not long ago, Microsoft has shown a bit more detail on the plans it has for the technology in the future. According to CNET, Abu-Hadba (leader of Microsoft's developer and platform evangelism division) has said that half of all Internet-connected devices will be packing Silverlight by next year.

Microsoft plans to expand their product to many different devices, including Apple's iPhone, and to do so they want to make sure that they don't have to create 'lite' versions of it. Scott Guthrie, Abu-Hadba's fellow developer unit executive, said, "We want to make sure people have a 'wow' experience," though they admit it's taken them longer than they'd have liked so far. As we speak, Microsoft is in beta testing stages of Silverlight for Android and Windows Mobile, and CNET expects announcements to be made at the Professional Developer Conference this fall, with Guthrie saying, "You are going to hear a lot more details about it later this year."

Interestingly, Abu-Hadba doesn't wonder if Silverlight will be with us in 10 years time... more, he brings up the uncertainty that Microsoft's rival will be, Adobe (due to their Flash software). He notes that Adobe is now a company that maintains a web platform for general purpose, rather than aiming at just being a design company, something that they can't keep up forever. "I don't think they will exist in 10 years in the form they are today," he said, but to quote CNET, "[imagine how] unthinkable it would have been to predict in 2000 that Sun Microsystems would go away."

Regardless, we'll see how far Silverlight has progressed by the year's end.

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Nowhere uses silverlight! At least nowhere that matters. lol Even ms sites use flash??!! Like msnbc.com, wtf. I definitely look forward to flash's demise, but come on silverlight is nothing right now. Even the 2008 olympics site that used it exclusively went to flash. geez

It does not officially support Opera Browser (the company that is pushing for removal of IE from European editions of Windows).. Good enough reason for me to skip Silverlight for now.

They're both free and tiny in filesize. I don't see why people are choosing one over another? Just have both of them installed and be happy. If someone's offering you a PC and Mac for free, why not take both!

give silverlight time to be adopted, remember flash went through this and now after alot of time it is mainstream but silverlight could do the same but we will see.

unni_83 said,
I like the tone of this thread..suddenly Silverlight rocks & Flash sucks..gotta love competition.

Competition is good for consumers, but not always so good for developers who have no time to learn complete conglomerations of new technologies each half a year or so

mormat said,
Competition is good for consumers, but not always so good for developers who have no time to learn complete conglomerations of new technologies each half a year or so

Maybe you can just not use Flash and SL at all ...

I've seen really hot and functional web sites not using those.

When it doesn't support 64bit, and non-windows? I don't think so.

Maybe when they improve support for other platforms, yeah.

Raa said,
When it doesn't support 64bit, and non-windows? I don't think so.

Maybe when they improve support for other platforms, yeah.

It supports OSX, and Moonlight supports Linux.

Majesticmerc said,
Why does everyone seem to think that because its from Microsoft, its not cross-platform?!

because .NET is still NOT cross platform (despite MS's claiming for ages) and Silverlight too (for Linux there is still no full counterpart even for Silverlight 2, not to mention the 3rd version)

Microsoft! If you support Silverlight on Android and iPhone, it would be really good to support it on Symbian as well, many business class mobile phones run Symbian. (Nokia is the market leader with 400.000 smartphone sales / day [altogether they sale over 1.2 million mobile phones / day]).

So please support Silverlight on Symbian too. Thanks.

aludanyi said,
Microsoft! If you support Silverlight on Android and iPhone, it would be really good to support it on Symbian as well.


Ask that Microsoft personally, don't post it on this unrelated site that posts a lot of hear-say articles.

Uh, microsoft supports...what's the project called? Moonlight? Not sure... the linux parallel open source development that is almost 100% stable and feature complete... lets it be ported to just about anything if there's an interest...

Rolith said,
Uh, microsoft supports...what's the project called? Moonlight? Not sure... the linux parallel open source development that is almost 100% stable and feature complete... lets it be ported to just about anything if there's an interest...

Is (they say) 100% compatible with Silverlight 1.0 (barely used on Internet) and in a very alpha stage to Silverlight 2.0.
meh

m.keeley said,
I have it installed however other than the MS sitewho actually uses it?

i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.

lothodon said,
i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.

You can't expect immediate massive market penetration.

lothodon said,
i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.

People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?

toadeater said,
People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?

+5

toadeater said,
People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?


The question is, WILL adobe ever catch up again? As someone that uses around %50 of their current deployed software, i can tell you adobe is the next Quark, just going there a little faster.

I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority

evo_spook said,
I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority

And have what instead?

That wont happen with a markup language thats stuck in 1993, This is what a modern markup language could be when its not maintained by the organizational equivalent of Duke Nukem Forever's development team AKA W3C .

evo_spook said,
I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority

Quite the contrary, i'd rather prefer it if somehow all web content could be delivered with rich flash/silverlight (or something similar) instead of a VERY silly markup language.

If that had been the case, we would be looking at www. from a very different angle by now. As it is now, we're "WOOOW"'ing at ajax (when it first came out), and you still want this to continue to be the de-facto standard?

No thanks, give me a chance to create a much better experince for my audience.

if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.

lothodon said,
if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.

probably for compatibility, flash is pretty standard on every PC, silverlight not so much, im sure once it reaches that stage theyll switch

They can't just jump ship the next day. MS's sites are big, and it'll be a slow transition. Like artfuldoga said though, the xbox sites use it.

lothodon said,
if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.

It takes a lot of work to change over all the crap they have going on on those sites. Give it time, I'm sure everything will eventually switch.

not to mention a lot of people were hired specifically to make Flash apps for Microsoft years ago... their talent is still useful and flash still has practical purposes...dosn't make sense to re-train or replace a large number of web designing positions. Microsoft, after all, is a company that tries to be practical, even when eating it's dogfood.

Silverlight is pretty nice stuff from an install it and forget it perspective, but carbon poses an interesting point if true?

lots of reasons... it's written with software development in mind, and hasn't had to have that kind of functionality shoehorned into it. It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making it far faster then flash's software handling of just about everyhting. .. there are a lot of reasons to like silverlight, especially when compared to the utter-crash-filled mess that is flash 10.

this is coming from someone that devs in flash ~50 hours a week as a career and hobby... and I dont expect to be switching to silverlight anytime soon, but maybe with it we'll see adobe stop releasing shoddy products.

Bhav said,
Could anyone explain how/why it's superior to flash?

I'm not denying that it is...just wondering.


I know that since Silverlight 3.0, it now support GPU acceleration for video content (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Silverlight_3.0 ), allowing better performance for HD content.

However most web developers know it is easy to create a flash animation, which might not be the case with Silverlight.

Rolith said,
It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making.

Windows only. Flash runs on everything.

Rolith said,
lots of reasons... it's written with software development in mind, and hasn't had to have that kind of functionality shoehorned into it. It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making it far faster then flash's software handling of just about everyhting. .. there are a lot of reasons to like silverlight, especially when compared to the utter-crash-filled mess that is flash 10.

I don't understand why Silverlight is faster than Flash... They both run a VM with JIT compiler (Flash runs Tamarin, Silverlight runs kind of shortened .NET) , so the speed should be almost the same. For me (as a SL developer) silverlight doesn't work with graphics as fast as I would expect or want. Or you meant something else?
Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and soon Android and Windows Mobile. Check your facts.
As far as I know, Silverlight does not support Linux. Yes, there's Moonlight platform, but it's not supported by MS and lags far behind in development. About Android and Windows Mobile - let's wait, but plans are worth nothing till they're reality.

toadeater said,
Windows only. Flash runs on everything.


There is linux version as well, don't remember name though, silverwolf or whatever

JonathanMarston said,
Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and soon Android and Windows Mobile. Check your facts.

Last time i checked Linux version of SL was features behind the one for Windows.

Bhav said,
Could anyone explain how/why it's superior to flash?

I'm not denying that it is...just wondering.

I want it on linux. Flash should just die.

The fact MS is moving fast on it is big, and if they can get it on Android which is just more or less a "lite" version of Linux etc, would that mean it's from Mono as well? Or are they going to do it themselves?