Siri still secretly thinks the Lumia 900 is best

You may remember last week that Siri revealed its secret love of the Nokia Lumia 900 4G on AT&T, after it responded that the flagship Nokia Windows Phone is the "best smart phone ever". Apple was obviously furious that the voice assistant told people that a rival smartphone was the best, so it rushed to stop Siri from sharing its love to the entire world; now it simply says "wait... there are other phones?".

Of course Apple couldn't completely stop Siri from brandishing around its secret crush on the Nokia device, you just have to ask it the right questions to avoid the Apple's Reality Distortion Field. According to WMPowerUser, asking Siri what the best phone is according to customer satisfaction skips around the Distortion Field and yet again reports that the Nokia Lumia 900 is the best smartphone of all.

Apple could attempt to change the Wolfram|Alpha interpretation method to avoid Siri reporting that the Lumia 900 has the highest customer review average, but for now they must be content in Siri revealing that the iPhone 4S actually isn't the highest rated phone going around. And kudos must go to Nokia for delivering a device that is actually dominating the user satisfaction ratings.

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I'm not entirely sure about this, but does this break some anti-trust regulations? I mean if a search engine starts to change their results to try and make themselves look better wouldn't that be considered malicious behaviour?

BillyJack said,
Can't apple be sued for preventing freedom of speech or censorship if the result is coming from some other source?

Lol! How? Siri is its property and can do whatever it likes according to the law. Funny how silly people has started talking about freedom of speech for siri )))

Nikos_GR said,

Funny how silly people has started talking about freedom of speech for siri )))

lol, I admit it does sound funny but I am not talking about freedom of speech for Siri. I am talking about censorship of real facts or information. For example. What if Microsoft's internet explorer blocked all keywords or anything to do with Apple or Google. Now it is their product but they are censoring the information. That is what Apple is doing. Yes it is their software but does that give them the right?

Windows is Microsoft's product yet they got sued for having internet explorer installed by default on their own OS. Both are their product and they were not preventing other browsers from getting installed. I know this is a different example but I am talking about ownership and rights in this paragraph.

Of course, if Bing responded to a search for "what's the best PC software" with a link to iOS then this wouldn't be seen as a massive fail by Microsoft, wouldn't produce a ton of replies on here from Apple fans saying how it proved them all right and wouldn't be used in an Apple keynote bringing much hilarity to the assembled masses, that would never happen.

It still wouldn't be news though.

iantrem said,
Of course, if Bing responded to a search for "what's the best PC software" with a link to iOS then this wouldn't be seen as a massive fail by Microsoft, wouldn't produce a ton of replies on here from Apple fans saying how it proved them all right and wouldn't be used in an Apple keynote bringing much hilarity to the assembled masses, that would never happen.

It still wouldn't be news though.

iOS is not even runs on PCs so yes, in that particular case it would be a fail of epic proportions ;-)

iantrem said,
Of course, if Bing responded to a search for "what's the best PC software" with a link to iOS then this wouldn't be seen as a massive fail by Microsoft, wouldn't produce a ton of replies on here from Apple fans saying how it proved them all right and wouldn't be used in an Apple keynote bringing much hilarity to the assembled masses, that would never happen.

It still wouldn't be news though.

If you ask the lumia 900 the same question it will tell you the iphone. and ms hasn't removed that from their search results

O dear please why can't the phones compete on technical merit rather than some A.I. software's decision? This is what it has come to? Neither Microsoft nor Apple it seems has confidence in their own product. MS is constantly bashing the iPhone and Android and Apple goes and changes Siri to make it not say that.

xpclient said,
O dear please why can't the phones compete on technical merit rather than some A.I. software's decision? This is what it has come to? Neither Microsoft nor Apple it seems has confidence in their own product. MS is constantly bashing the iPhone and Android and Apple goes and changes Siri to make it not say that.

But it IS based on technical merit. They built Siri to answer people's questions, and prompted what the best smartphone is, she doesn't have anything to run off of other than what people on the internet were reviewing. A program doesn't have opinions. Siri was coded to find an answer based on key words, and she found it. Apple is basically dumbing down their product here.

smartin0115 said,

But it IS based on technical merit. They built Siri to answer people's questions, and prompted what the best smartphone is, she doesn't have anything to run off of other than what people on the internet were reviewing. A program doesn't have opinions. Siri was coded to find an answer based on key words, and she found it. Apple is basically dumbing down their product here.

And it* found it, not she.

Now they acted like spoiled kids, why would they remove the 1st answer, just to look foolish? At least IMO they acted like kids.

When did they outlaw humour in the world? Because there are some really serious people commenting on this article. Lighten up guys, it's just a bit of fun.

Navan said,
This is such lame news. The fact that apple changed it, even lamer.

No-one forced you to read the article, which in turn makes "you" lame for mentioning in the first place.

topjolly said,

No-one forced you to read the article, which in turn makes "you" lame for mentioning in the first place.


O shut the hell up. Always one idiot pops up "oh.. no one forced you". It's my opinion. I wasn't against the posting of it. If you don't understand something, do not reply to it.

Navan said,

O shut the hell up. Always one idiot pops up "oh.. no one forced you". It's my opinion. I wasn't against the posting of it. If you don't understand something, do not reply to it.

Then, why are you insulted?

Navan said,

O shut the hell up. Always one idiot pops up "oh.. no one forced you". It's my opinion. I wasn't against the posting of it. If you don't understand something, do not reply to it.

Think you beat me to it (idiot popping up that is) :-D

phate said,
What the article failed to mention was that the actual result was based on 4 reviews

Based upon the approximately ten comments that have been added here so far, I can determine that people from both sides are making this into bigger news than it is at face value.

phate said,
What the article failed to mention was that the actual result was based on 4 reviews

I went to Wolfram Alpha to confirm, and actually they're all tied at a 5/5 rating, including the iPhone 4S. Looks like W|A's sorting just made the Nokia reach the top. Could've been at least around 5 other phones. Perhaps it's because it's a more recent phone.

But yes, as a little implementation detail and result, it's a bit funny.

What should be corrected here isn't Siri, but Wolfram Alpha. That's one sad way of presenting review scores on. It doesn't even show fractions. Just 5/5 for all listed. Great: That'll help the WA users a lot.

phate said,
What the article failed to mention was that the actual result was based on 4 reviews

if you actually look at the customer satisfaction for att its well over 300 reviews

Nashy said,
When did tech news turn to this. Who the hell cares?

I mean really, how many ways can we get an iPhone to admit that it's not the best thing ever?

I agree with the op's sentiment. This is the Paris Hilton / Kim Kardashian of tech news. Get over it. You might care, but only because it's funny. Beyond that its barely tech related, and pretty lame that this is the best "news" out there that it's being reported, not once but twice in the same week.

ahinson said,

I mean really, how many ways can we get an iPhone to admit that it's not the best thing ever?

I agree with the op's sentiment. This is the Paris Hilton / Kim Kardashian of tech news. Get over it. You might care, but only because it's funny. Beyond that its barely tech related, and pretty lame that this is the best "news" out there that it's being reported, not once but twice in the same week.


It isn't hard for people to ignore news they are not interested in. It isn't hard at all. Some people are interested in this, and I am one of them. Why complain when you don't have to even acknowledge the article let alone read it?

Neobond said,

You cared enough to click through and comment

He cared about how Neowin considers this news, not the news itself. He has the right to express his opinion, right?

Anyway, I agree, Neowin articles are now just fanboys flamebait. Sue me.

sanctified said,
He cared about how Neowin considers this news, not the news itself. He has the right to express his opinion, right?

Judging by the name of the poster and his previous posting history, I'd rather he not.

Nashy said,
When did tech news turn to this. Who the hell cares?

They cared enough to make Siri distort the answers....

Nashy said,
When did tech news turn to this. Who the hell cares?

Are you kidding? This is very important, and tells a lot about the company - about trust. The decision to modify search results sets a very bad precedent. How can you trust a company's product to return the most meaningful results when they do this?

What if your search for "what is the best domain hosting company" provides a company who Apple has funded heavily, rather than the one that has the best customer reviews?

Big problem indeed. Very bad.

Edited by bkellner, May 16 2012, 7:22pm :

sanctified said,

He cared about how Neowin considers this news, not the news itself. He has the right to express his opinion, right?

Anyway, I agree, Neowin articles are now just fanboys flamebait. Sue me.

This is news. You might not think it's news, but it is. News is what the people consume -- the readership reads this stuff and comments, and that provides traffic -- which provides money. If hard, boring PR Newswire releases news sold as-is, that's what they'd be posting. You're in the minority obviously.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
What makes me laugh is the fact that apple actually changed the first answer.

Same here, a friend of me who is die-hard Apple fan went against this once I posted it on Facebook and said it's all third party and not related to Apple.

Well if it's not related to Apple then they won't fix it..