Mozilla 1.3b (Beta) quietly released

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Update Thanks Tigerz of Betas.intercom for letting us know that Mozilla 1.3B is released (on 31st Dec) but this has yet to be announced on the official Mozilla website. The official release is still the 1.3A (or Alpha) we think the B means 1.3 is now at Beta, no longer Alpha. Significant! for Mozilla fans I imagine.

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Mozilla Mail now has basic junk mail classification capabilities. This means you can train your client to distinguish between good mail and junk mail. See the release notes for more info.

Download: Mozilla 1.3b Full install (10.9mb) Zipped (10.5mb) | Web Install

Download: Source & Other Platform versions (via FTP)

View: Mozilla (has yet to be updated)

or if you dont like messing with Alpha/Betas get the final Mozilla release of 1.2 (at 1.2.1)

Download: Mozilla Browser 1.2.1 (non beta)

Below is a quote taken from Microsoft Settlement Program Milestones August 2002, nowhere in the document is suggested that Windows Messenger will be removed or "dis-associated" from Windows XP.

Microsoft's new feature is called "Set Program Access and Defaults." Consumers may launch this feature from the Start menu and from the existing Add or Remove Programs utility in Windows XP and Windows 2000 Pro. It will allow OEMs and consumers to enable or remove access to the Windows components designated as "Microsoft Middleware Products" under the consent decree (Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Windows Messenger, Outlook Express and the Microsoft Java VM) and to competing third-party programs that choose to take advantage of this feature. It will also enable OEMs and consumers to set the default programs they want to launch in certain instances where the Windows components would otherwise launch. For example, when a consumer clicks to open certain media files or a Web site address from within an email message, the respective default media player or default browser program will launch.

Source: Microsoft Settlement Program Milestones August 2002

Here David Cole defends the Windows Messenger service in Windows XP and compares it to another IM service that actually requires registration while Passport does not. Civil Action No. 98-1233 (CKK)

47. Windows XP does not require the user to have or use a Passport. Nor is a Passport required to access the Internet through a Windows XP-based Internet connection. Windows XP does offer users the choice to sign up for a Passport to take advantage of several optional services offered by Windows XP that require user authentication. Those services include the Windows Messenger instant messaging service and some aspects of Windows XP online product support. Similarly, America Online’s instant messaging service, AOL Instant Messenger or “AIM,” requires users to register for America Online’s Screen Name Service.

54. Mr. Borthwick testified that “if the user initially declines to sign up for Passport, Microsoft will repeatedly prompt the user with the ‘Add your .NET Passport to Windows’ message in the lower right corner of the desktop.” (Borthwick Direct ¶ 83.) That testimony is an overstatement. If the user ignores the balloon the first time it appears, the balloon will soon disappear (about 20 seconds) from the desktop. The user then will see the balloon again on the next four connections to the Internet. That is it. After a user sees the Passport wizard the first time, either by clicking on the balloon or by launching Windows Messenger, the balloon tip will never appear again. This is true even if the user cancels out of the Passport wizard and chooses not to create a Passport.

59. Lastly, users do not have to register for a Passport to use Windows XP, and connections to the Internet using Windows XP likewise do not require a Passport. Windows XP simply offers users the choice to sign up for a Passport to take advantage of certain services offered by Windows XP, such as the Windows Messenger instant messaging service, that require user authentication.

Source: STATE OF NEW YORK ex. rel. Attorney General ELIOT SPITZER, et al., v. MICROSOFT CORPORATION

and here we have the Civil Action No. 98-1232 (CKK) FINAL JUDGMENT (November 12, 2002). I couldn't find anything in this recent document that says Windows Messenger should be dis-continued.

#1 DJ^TuRKiYe on 01 Jan 2003 - 17:39

Sweet, downloading now thanx

#2 Fotix on 01 Jan 2003 - 17:40

Mozilla 1.3b won't be out for quite a while: http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2787.html This is just a nightly build. Beware it WILL be buggy.

#3 Prasanth on 01 Jan 2003 - 17:44

quietly released? Well all the time the nighty builds are marked as 1.[i]n[/i]b etc before the official release.

(1 reply) #4 Xahid on 01 Jan 2003 - 17:47

is there any HTTP link ?? by some reasons, I can't use FTP ! if some one know, so please let me know !!! Thanx

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#4.1 Prasanth on 01 Jan 2003 - 17:56

Replace ftp:// with http:// in the above address

Also this is a nighty build so it will be buggy

#5 kairon on 01 Jan 2003 - 18:03

Doesn't ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/[b]nightly[/b]/latest/mozilla-win32-installer-sea.exe ring a bell to you?This isn't final. Besides a big release like Mozilla 1.3 whatever would go right on the main page shortly after being uploaded.

(2 replies) #6 Steno on 01 Jan 2003 - 18:26

hey if you think this is an valid Mozilla beta release, then there is one every night!!

(hint: /nightly/ )

#6.1 Neobond on 01 Jan 2003 - 19:20

I understand that mate but I think our source was touching on the fact that this is 1.3B while the official release is still 1.3A The web release is still 1.2.1 if you can follow me. So yea I am aware on nightly builds but this is [b]B[/b] whereas before it was [b]A[/b] (A = alpha, B = Beta) I hope I was able to explain it clearly

#6.2 jkeyes on 01 Jan 2003 - 20:34

actually with mozilla they start calling it the new version before it officially is, just like when they're getting ready for final they might drop the b and do 1.3 for a while and then when they are happy with it they will release it as 1.3 but just because nightly says 1.3b doesn't mean its 1.3b

#7 mintll on 01 Jan 2003 - 20:07

Im an member of Bugzilla and i'm quite shure his is a nightly biuld

#8 [EvilBeAr] on 01 Jan 2003 - 20:47

1.3b first showed up in the nightly builds around the 19th of december im sure, ive been running it for a while

.. but anyways i up nightly builds... well nightly.. makes sense

edit:: pardon me i looked back at my old builds and 1.3b first showed up for me in the build labeled 12/27 see >> Mozilla 1.3b 20021227 thats what i had from the build info in the about menu.

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(1 reply) #9 Toxikk on 01 Jan 2003 - 21:09

this is mis-information 1.3b is not scheduled to rls until the 22nd of Jan according to their roadmap. 1.3 has been in the nightlies since before 12/27 also. id say around the 15th. the official rls of 1.3b WILL NOT be until late jabuary.

#9.1 [EvilBeAr] on 01 Jan 2003 - 23:30

[neoquote=#9.0 by Toxikk]this is mis-information 1.3b is not scheduled to rls until the 22nd of Jan according to their roadmap. 1.3 has been in the nightlies since before 12/27 also. id say around the 15th. the official rls of 1.3b WILL NOT be until late jabuary.[/neoquote] hehe perhaps i was correct about seeing the earlier build then.. thanks for that info.. i knew i had seen 1.3b around for a while. I thought the 19th but the earliest build proof i had was of the 27th. Thanks.

(9 replies) #10 hunter1234 on 01 Jan 2003 - 21:22

Mozilla sucks, it takes like a year to load.

#10.1 shockz on 01 Jan 2003 - 21:31

Running a P4 1.6 GHz 256MB RAM - I'm going to start up now and count to see how long it takes to load... wow! 3 seconds.

I don't think that classifies as a long time to load.

#10.2 nonick on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:04

oh oh another guy complaining that how slow Mozilla loads comparing to ALREADY LOADED IE in memory... god

#10.3 hunter1234 on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:12

what are you talking about? IE loads faster than Mozilla on any system. Why are people so anti-microsoft? IE is the most prefered browser.

#10.4 nonick on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:16

[neoquote=#10.3 by hunter1234]what are you talking about? IE loads faster than Mozilla on any system. Why are people so anti-microsoft? IE is the most prefered browser.[/neoquote] LOL, do you know why ie 'loads' up faster? BECAUSE IT DOESNT LOAD UP AT ALL!! it [b]IS[/b] ALREADY LOADED in memory when you START UP your computer.... ALL it does is to OPEN a window!!! however Mozilla LOADS when you start it, since its NOT memory resident.

#10.5 nic on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:33

I didn't care for the load time of Mozilla much either. I love the browser though! Try Phoenix out!! In my experience it loads at about the same speed as IE, but it is a much nicer looking browser (with really nice features and extensions available). I'm not sure if this means anything but it seems like before I open IE, there is no sign of it in memory. When I open an IE session though it appears in my task manager as iexplorer and usually takes around 20M of ram. I'm assuming that there is some sort of loader that is running that is started when you start you computer. Is there anyway to get rid of it if there is (and if the loader is removed can I still start IE if I want to)? PM me

#10.6 Wickedkitten on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:51

[neoquote=#10.3 by hunter1234]what are you talking about? IE loads faster than Mozilla on any system. Why are people so anti-microsoft? IE is the most prefered browser.[/neoquote] If you don't use IE you're anti microsoft, if you are anti microsoft then you are anti government, if you are anti goverment then you are against the USA, if you are against the USA then you are a terrorist. IF YOU'RE A TERRORIST THEN YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!!!!! Don't be a fucking terrorist, use IE.

#10.7 Toxikk on 02 Jan 2003 - 00:40

my mozilla loads in less than a second when loaded in memory... prolly faster than ie does.

#10.8 JaggedFlame on 02 Jan 2003 - 03:13

Who cares? We've had repeats of this thread every week for months. Just be quiet and move on. Obviously, no one's opinion is going to change.

#10.9 Daybreak on 02 Jan 2003 - 17:13

For l33t load time, get K-meleon. It's Gecko without the XUL bloat of Phoenix and Mozilla.

#11 nonick on 01 Jan 2003 - 22:03

Mozilla ROCKS TOTALLY I LUV IT

#12 Webgraph on 02 Jan 2003 - 03:17

I'll wait till the next release, thanks.

(1 reply) #13 Ji@nBing on 02 Jan 2003 - 06:05

never used it. what's this talk back thing? can u turn it off?

#13.1 jkeyes on 02 Jan 2003 - 08:27

you know how XP has error reporting? Well that's mozilla's version it just sends some info so they can hopefully use it to prevent crashes and not to rag on the current MS error reporter but this one actually tells you what its sending

#14 caerma on 02 Jan 2003 - 08:27

#15 Th3-0n3 on 02 Jan 2003 - 11:10

I just downloaded this great program after having not used it for a while. Can someone tell me how to import IE favorites on windows xp?

(1 reply) #16 kljs on 02 Jan 2003 - 12:52

Will Mozilla work with Norton Internet Security?

#16.1 Toxikk on 02 Jan 2003 - 13:45

i dont see why not.

#17 Painkiller on 02 Jan 2003 - 14:40

Also the last build of phoenix have new icons layout....very nice....

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