Big Changes for Mozilla Group
Posted by Mr magoo on 03 April 2003 - 08:46 · 12 comments & 2152 views
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#1 Posted by Kaneda on 03 Apr 2003 - 09:05
- i love using mozilla (IE gets used on my computer for windowsupdate only), but honestly -- all this mozilla group crap makes my head hurt. there's a phrase, kinda goes.. too many cooks spoil the broth. i think such a concept might come into play with the mozilla project, and i think their ways of addressing the issue only end up hindering advancement of the program in the long run... and just a little side thought: these kind of sites are very rare, but if anyone codes their site in such a way that mozilla can't even load it, you know what i do? i grab the info i need off a competing site that's more friendly to mozilla users or has a more competent designer. a little word to fellow web designers: when you design for mozilla/NS7 instead of IE, you'll get the same result in IE. would you rather have your site look great in both major browsers and properly serve that many more people? that's what web designing is all about.
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#1.1 Posted by guru on 03 Apr 2003 - 10:04
- [QUOTE]these kind of sites are very rare, but if anyone codes their site in such a way that mozilla can't even load it, you know what i do? i grab the info i need off a competing site that's more friendly to mozilla users or has a more competent designer. a little word to fellow web designers: when you design for mozilla/NS7 instead of IE, you'll get the same result in IE. would you rather have your site look great in both major browsers and properly serve that many more people? that's what web designing is all about.[/QUOTE] great tip mate
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#1.2 Posted by Kaneda on 03 Apr 2003 - 10:50
- [QUOTE]great tip mate[/QUOTE] thanks. it's easy to get away with all kinds of weird html in IE... i wish people would see that this is not a good thing. it's the same thing as people who have absolutely no idea how to spell, punctuate or use grammar properly, even when they try. even if most people in your country have the same kind of crappy education as you have (as is the case with some people; not all) you still look like an idiot and you seriously devalue what you're trying to say. as far as i'm concerned, you can apply the same logic to people who think that since most people use IE that it's 'okay' to write poor-quality HTML.
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#1.3 Posted by Fanon on 03 Apr 2003 - 14:35
- [neoquote=#1.0 by Kaneda]when you design for mozilla/NS7 instead of IE, you'll get the same result in IE[/neoquote] That is not necessarily true. I can think of many, many instances where extra code must be added in order for the page to look the same in Moz and IE.
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#1.4 Posted by pctuk on 03 Apr 2003 - 17:39
- [neoquote=#1.2 by Kaneda][QUOTE]great tip mate[/QUOTE]
...good thing. it's the same thing as people who have absolutely no idea how to spell, punctuate or use grammar properly, even when they try. even if ....[/neoquote]
Please tell me you are joking. Go on please. Surely no-one would post about using "grammar properly" and then not capitalize the first letter of the first word in a sentence. Go on, tell me you did it ironically.
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#2 Posted by Mr magoo on 03 Apr 2003 - 10:50
- true, but the thing is, most pages ARE NOT MADE BY WEB DEVELOPERS! They are made by things like frontpage, dreamweaver etc, which cater to the majority - IE. People dont understand standards complaince, and thus believe it to be some geeky utopia! sad but true.
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#2.1 Posted by Kaneda on 03 Apr 2003 - 10:53
- [neoquote=#2.0 by Mr magoo]true, but the thing is, most pages ARE NOT MADE BY WEB DEVELOPERS! They are made by things like frontpage, dreamweaver etc, which cater to the majority - IE. People dont understand standards complaince, and thus believe it to be some geeky utopia! sad but true.[/neoquote] i'm aware of that. i'm not gung ho on standards compliance, because all pages that are 100% standards-compliant look flat and boring. favicons and colored scrollbars and all those goodies can still be used, even if it's mainly IE that will benefit.. but pages where the layout is completely destroyed by mozilla mean there is a serious error with YOUR code, not mozilla's... know what i mean? if you're gonna through all the trouble of making a website, you may as well try to do it right. and fixing it to at least be readable in mozilla is usually very easy.
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#2.2 Posted by razar on 03 Apr 2003 - 14:50
- Frontpage is for children.... Dreamweaver is a tool used by some web developers, note pad for others. Using Dreamweaver does not make you any less of a web developer/designer, as long as you take the time to learn the basics.
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#3 Posted by Toxikk on 03 Apr 2003 - 15:30
- long live pheonix
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#4 Posted by eilegz on 03 Apr 2003 - 17:33
- i would like to expect something like choice i mean continue with mozilla and rename phoenix into mozilla lite that would be nice cuz many people dun care about resources anymore i mean now people got new pc with p4 and many ghz and ram so i mean is like winamp continue woith the classic one and do the bloated one more choice is the best thing that it would happen
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#5 Posted by Xenomorph on 03 Apr 2003 - 18:54
- #4 is proof our education system is crap. where is the punctuation? why write something that no one is able to read? i wasn't aware 'dun' and 'cuz' were even real words either.
In one of a string of changes, mozilla.org today announced a new plan that would have future Mozilla development focussed around the soon-to-be-renamed stand-alone Phoenix browser and the Thunderbird mail and newsgroups client (also known as Minotaur). Mozilla 1.4 would be the last milestone release of the traditional Mozilla browser suite and the 1.4 milestone would replace 1.0 as the stable development path.
According to the plan, aggressive and ambitious changes will take place during the 1.5 and 1.6 milestones to accommodate the switch to Phoenix and Thunderbird. Mac OS X versions of Phoenix will become available but the new Roadmap stresses that Camino, a project to create a Mozilla-based OS X browser with a native Aqua user interface, will continue to be fully supported.
The Phoenix project started life in 2002 as redesign of the Mozilla browser component known as mozilla/browser. Phoenix is designed to be a browser for average users with the features that most people want. Thunderbird is a project to create a stand-alone mail client that uses the Phoenix toolkit and follows its aims of simplicity and usability. Thunderbird now incorporates the work of Minotaur, an effort to create a stand-alone version of Mozilla's Mail & Newsgroups component. It is anticipated that Thunderbird will be available as both a completely separate application and a Phoenix add-on that will integrate more closely with the browser.
The plan also calls for the module ownership system to be refined. Changes will be made to ensure that all code modules have strong leaders with the authority to make decisive and final decisions. In some cases, the need for mandatory super-review will be removed, as is the case in Phoenix today.
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