Cloudmark SpamNet goes final
Posted by DWZ on 26 April 2003 - 10:50 · 33 comments & 2231 views
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#1 Posted by Neobond on 26 Apr 2003 - 10:52
- On hearing this I uninstalled SpamNet, Outlook and went back to OE6/iHateSpam. At least iHateSpam werent shitting me from the start.
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#2 Posted by Neobond on 26 Apr 2003 - 10:56
- [QUOTE]Other anti-spam products force their customers to constantly tweak and adjust their product for it to work effectively. With SpamNet, there's no paying for upgrades in the future and customers don't have to configure rules, or update whitelists or blacklists because SpamNet works automatically.[/QUOTE] That should read: Other anti-spam products constantly tweak and adjust their product for it to work effectively giving you what you pay for. SpamNet is only effective as its userbase, so given the immense work that we've already done why the hell should we have to pay for a product we devote time to as well. I'm willing to bet the people who FIRST used it are well pissed.
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#2.1 Posted by Jerichohol on 26 Apr 2003 - 11:32
- i am pissed and you are correct, we helped them build the database....why should we pay?
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#2.2 Posted by Darkwolven on 28 Apr 2003 - 15:24
- [neoquote=#2.1 by Jerichohol]i am pissed and you are correct, we helped them build the database....why should we pay? [/neoquote]
If you people would bother reading on the website, they are NOT disabling any BETA versions of this! I'm still using it and it still works fine!
[QUOTE]by Customer Service 1 at 04-23-03 19:21
I'm sorry to hear that you are upset by Cloudmark's announcement today. The SpamNet Beta continues to stop spam just as it before. If you don't wish to subscribe, you can continue to use the SpamNet Beta.
Cloudmark has always stated that it would release a pay-for version of SpamNet in the future. Again, I'm sorry that you feel that this announcement is unfair. I hope you will at least continue to be a member of the SpamNet community by using the Beta.
Cloudmark Support [/QUOTE]
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#3 Posted by TheReaperMan on 26 Apr 2003 - 10:59
- so, we have given them the means to block, spam by supmitting the info, and they make money from us, lol
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#4 Posted by Jerichohol on 26 Apr 2003 - 11:31
- damn...not fair...should have been kept free... any other recs for spam blockers?
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#5 Posted by PROGAME on 26 Apr 2003 - 11:38
- i was looking for that beta
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#6 Posted by blackice912 on 26 Apr 2003 - 12:03
- Watch SpamNet die, now.
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#8 Posted by Empyrean on 26 Apr 2003 - 13:53
- IHateSpam for Outlook is free after rebate. You can find out more [URL=http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930]here[/URL]. I've been using Cloudmark's SpamNet since it first came out. I think they should have made it known to beta testers that it eventually would be a pay service.
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#9 Posted by Night Prowler on 26 Apr 2003 - 17:20
- IHateSpam is rated #1, Spamnet only rated at like 3 or 4. If you have to pay for something I suggest IHateSpam. I wonder if the Beta's are going to crap out. I just recieved .10e of course Spamnet has locked my system up since 7e, and the release version still locks my Outlook XP up and they have no idea why, and are not returning my email on the subject.
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#10 Posted by tophat on 26 Apr 2003 - 19:38
- Anyone find other half-decent alternatives for spamnet? I'll probably try IHateSpam, but would like something to compare it to... But I really need something to replace spamnet with, and soon. (I get 100ish emails a day, only 2 or 3 are 'real'.)
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#11 Posted by JudasIscariot on 26 Apr 2003 - 20:27
- Open-source alternatives POPFile - http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile - A Perl-based proxy for POP3/SMTP SpamBayes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/spambayes - A Python-based proxy for POP3. Also includes a plug-in for Outlook HTH
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#12 Posted by mlauzon on 26 Apr 2003 - 20:32
- I am starting a project on SourceForge -- the project page isn't up yet -- it is to start and Open Source, GPL'd version of SpamNet...it will be called: OpenSN; if there are any programmers reading this and you want to participate, please email me at: [email]michael@inceptionos.org?subject=OpenSN[/email] And in the subject line please include "OpenSN".
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#13 Posted by DJ Specs on 26 Apr 2003 - 23:18
- What a bunch od asswads... Screw them and their deceitful practices!
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#14 Posted by Mr. Black on 27 Apr 2003 - 03:11
- This also upsets me to the [i]n[/i]th degree.
What they did was wrong and immoral by making people build up their DB, and then charge us $1 less for all our effort. I would spend more in a year just paying their monthly fee ($32) then buying IHateSpam at $20.
This is bullsh1t and I hope they change their minds and give it to us existing users for like $1 a month or better yet, FREE.
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#15 Posted by confucius on 27 Apr 2003 - 07:59
- Yes. This is BS! I've helped block quite a few and they turn around and use this and other contributions from their users to make money without being up front about it. I understand they need to make money, but their practice is a crime. I would feel much better if they had said, beta is free, and we will use your contribution to make us rich later. I hope they go out of business, as they do not understand the first thing about business: customer is king. You don't let them walk away feeling they got used and screwed.
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#16 Posted by agenta on 27 Apr 2003 - 08:38
- im pissed. they gain a block list from us, the users to use in their commercial product and we get shafted.
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#17 Posted by xavalon on 27 Apr 2003 - 09:46
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It took me seconds to decide to do:
Click start -> Control Panel -> Add or Remove software -> remove Cloudmark Spamnet.
I have been using it since the early - buggy - betaversions. Even had to reinstall outlook at one time.
But i feel betrated, they alsways said it is free, and now I have to pay $3.99 a month. Pff, I better can use the spam and antivirus service of my ISP, cost only $1.99 a month.
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#18 Posted by blind on 27 Apr 2003 - 10:05
- I think I'll just use the Office 2003 in built spam catcher, seems to do a decent job.
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#19 Posted by insanekiwi on 27 Apr 2003 - 13:13
- omg wtf, this reall sucks. it was a good spamfilter since i recently had to deal with alot of spam. now uh..screw this crap.
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#20 Posted by Sisko on 27 Apr 2003 - 15:01
- Another to product that may be an alternative is Mailfrontier Matador. It also use user reports of spam and filtering based anti-spam. [url=http://www.mailfrontier.com]Mailfontier web site[/url]
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#21 Posted by nifu on 28 Apr 2003 - 00:10
- bah
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#22 Posted by confucius on 28 Apr 2003 - 03:18
- Just found this: http://www.spamassassin.org/. I think it is free.
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#22.1 Posted by MikeN on 28 Apr 2003 - 16:36
- Well, I used to use SpamAssasin for Windows, which was a commerical product by Deersoft. However, it was recently bought up by McAfee and has been duly assimilated into their own Anti-Spam package. I dropped SpamAssasin after that as I refused to install McAfee's bloatware product on my computer and went for SpamNet instead.
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#23 Posted by Jaron on 28 Apr 2003 - 06:13
- Register for a free email account with Myrealbox.com and they filter your spam for you.
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#24 Posted by Joshie on 28 Apr 2003 - 13:04
- It still baffles me how some people get so much spam. I've never even come close to the "Hundreds a day" spamfest I read so many people complaining about. Do you, like, wave your email address around on a flag or something? Do you call up the spammers and say "Here's my email address!"? It just doesn't make any sense to me, when I at most get 2 spams per month.
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#25 Posted by Xion on 28 Apr 2003 - 13:23
- That p****d me right off . Now looking for an alternetive. They could have gone for a pay once feature, but no had to be greedy and ask for a monthly fee!
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#26 Posted by Amerk_5 on 29 Apr 2003 - 15:08
- Try SpamPal www.spampal.us It's free & it has caught about 99% of the spam that I've gotten since installing it. Although I only get a few spam emails a week. It doesn't delete it from the server, it just filters it to another folder incase it marked a good message as spam
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#27 Posted by Sneakers on 01 May 2003 - 01:59
- I found something called Spamfighter which seems to work just like Cloudmark. It doesn't say anything about price. It's a beta but I works great. I've been using it ever since Cloudmark announced their price politics, and it removes between 90-100% of my daily spam.
Check it out:
[URL=http://www.spamfighter.com]Spamfighter.com[/URL]
http://www.spamfighter.com
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#28 Posted by Sneakers on 01 May 2003 - 02:02
- By the way.. I receive about 30 spammails a day. Those rule based spamfilters doesn't seem to work for me, which is why I've been looking for a community based alternative to Cloudmark.
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#29 Posted by Teapot on 01 May 2003 - 08:52
- Wow, I just tried spamfighter (thanks for the link sneakers) and it really seems to behave just like spamnet and is blocking at least as much
I wrote them and asked and it seems like they will always have a free light version, even though their current text was confusing me a bit - goodbye spamnet, welcome spamfighter! 
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#30 Posted by robhansen on 02 May 2003 - 07:49
- [B]GOOD FOR CLOUDMARK![/B] I have been using the beta version of SpamNet for quite a while, and in no way was I surprised when I learned they will be charging. You can't run a company by giving the product away -- period. A few of these posts seem to understand that, but the majority seems to think there are companies that exist to give things away. That's just not realistic. The way it works is a company might give away the product at the beginning, or make it available for free during the beta period, in hopes of attracting a user base and getting good product feedback. In exchange for help as a beta user, you get to use the product for free and you get to have an impact on how the product is developed. If the product is useful and becomes sucessful, then they will need to sell it. If the product is not useful, it goes away. I find SpamNet to be very useful, and the fact that they're now going to charge for their product gives me confidence that they will be around in the future to improve the product and continue to operate the service going forward. Congratulations to Couldmark for achieving at least this level of success in a difficult economy.
Cloudmark, the company that empowers consumers to fight spam, today announced the availability of SpamNet 1.0, the easy-to-use Microsoft® Outlook® add-in that saves you time by protecting you from spam. The highly anticipated 1.0 release is backed by the first and largest spamfighting community in the world, now with more than 400,000 users and adding a new SpamFighter every minute. Cloudmark is the first to launch a real-time anti-spam service that is worry-free and improves every second. SpamNet automatically gets the most up to date information from its 400,000 SpamFighters, who are submitting over 15 spam reports a second, making it the easiest and most effective spam fighting tool in the industry. The key to SpamNet's success is its simplicity - you just install it in minutes and forget about it. Other anti-spam products force their customers to constantly tweak and adjust their product for it to work effectively. With SpamNet, there's no paying for upgrades in the future and customers don't have to configure rules, or update whitelists or blacklists because SpamNet works automatically.
That's right, you now have to pay for SpamNet. In my view this is a self-destructive move by the company which will soon mean less and less users using the application, and thus, more spam coming in for the paying customers.To celebrate final availability and to thank our loyal SpamFighters, Cloudmark is offering beta users a special discount price of $3.99 a month to continue the fight against spam. New users can try SpamNet FREE for 30-days at www.cloudmark.com/spamnet and then pay only $4.99 a month to experience the spam protection trusted by hundreds of thousands.
In a recent forum post by Cloudmark's VP Product Development man, Alex Edelstein, they have come to a decision which will allow users to download the last, free, beta version, Beta 10e to those users who used the automatic upgrade software in the beta version and didn't realize what they were upgrading to.
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The two speeches that stood out on the day were that of HP and Tesco.com. Both seemed to work very closely with Microsoft and develop great services because of that. The product demonstrations themselves were entertaining but far from 'real'. First off to wow the crowds was a Dell Quad Xeon cluster of 29 blank-metal machines. Each machine had no OS installed and the aim of the demonstration was to show how Server 2003 coupled with ADS (Automated Deployment Services) could be deployed within 11 minutes whether there were 2000 machines or the 29 sitting in the room. The entire installation did indeed take just 11 minutes and although two machines failed, 27 machines were ready with Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition. An impressive demonstration but not one that most could relate to.
Moving on to the next product demonstration of the day. Sitting to the left of the stage was a e7000 series 32-way Itanium 2 system with 32gig of RAM. The aim was to process real live data that typically using a system such as Dual Xeons or Dual Athlons would take near to a month to complete. The claim was that it would take only 45mins. Although we never saw the end of the processing of a "multi-dimensional cube" of data, the data we saw processing was indeed impressive. It showed developers could use such systems and use the WSRM (Windows System Resource Manager) API to allow their programs to change the number of CPU's and balance the load through their own applications.
The third and final demonstration of the day was that of a migration of a SAP based 32-bit database system to its counter part, a 64-bit database system. At the beginning of the demonstration all was well but after the switch MMC began to become unresponsive and the server services wouldn't restart. However, the engineer got everything working (slowly) and the migration was completed sucessfully to the sound of laughter and cheers from the audience. One could only remember Bill plugging in that USB device at the Windows 98 launch.
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Suprisingly there wasn't a lot of talk or demos of SQL Server 2000 64-bit Enterprise Edition itself. Visual Studio .NET 2003 got a nice airing, showing its capability to intergrate with mobile devices. The main demonstration displayed how a user could use an application designed in Visual Studio .NET 2003 for a company's web server, on a PDA. The customer could edit a record on the PDA device and it would instantly be updated to the database back bone. Microsoft used this opportunity to show off its MapPoint .NET technologies to show how a customer could request a map of a location and display it easily and efficiently on their PDA.
After the event itself we took the chance to put a few questions about Avalon, .Net framework and the future of SQL/Exchange to Ivo Salmre. He was extremely helpful and explained how he believes the .NET framework and Visual Studio .NET 2003 are perfect tools for developers to code in a better way and to be more efficient with their code. It seems Microsoft believes the .NET framework will be a key part of the company's future within the next 2-3 years. Pushing the .NET framework improves coding throughout the industry and having Windows Server 2003 fully supporting the .NET framework and using ASP.NET with IIS6 will only help with this.
As for freebies and press information we were supplied with a bag stamped with Windows Server 2003 over the top which contained a USB stick of memory (32meg). On the stick there are several press releases from important partners and box images of the various Windows Server 2003 releases.
As for the future of Windows Server 2003 we are still waiting on exact confirmation dates of ADAM, RTC, Exchange 2003 and Windows Server 2003's first Service Pack. Most of the big developments in terms of add-ons are supposedly due this summer.
I have included a few photos that we took (see above). The launch itself was fun and it was nice to meet up with certain people and put faces to those names. Here's to the Office 2003 Launch ;)