Opera 7.20 beta 3
Posted by malebolgia on 07 August 2003 - 22:03 · 37 comments & 832 views
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#1 Posted by Floyder on 07 Aug 2003 - 22:53
- very nice browser, i'll give it a chance for a while and use it instead of IE
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#2 Posted by caerma on 07 Aug 2003 - 22:58
- very good, a LOT better than mozilla/netscape junk.
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#2.1 Posted by Dark Vageta on 07 Aug 2003 - 23:20
- Sorry Firebird Owns ALL
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#2.2 Posted by louiskhorweiwu on 08 Aug 2003 - 01:10
- Talk to the hand my friend
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#2.3 Posted by prell on 08 Aug 2003 - 02:25
- Firebird will silence you fools.
Firebird is sleek, standards compliant, and has contemporary features. Oh, and it wasnt frozen in 1999.
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#2.5 Posted by nic on 08 Aug 2003 - 21:08
- care to back those statements up?
IMO Firebird is the best web browser out there. The only thing that is holding it back is, if you are a brick, you can't configure it right...you have to know some what of what you are doing. They need to make that easier. But to the average nerd its the best thing out there.
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#3 Posted by danlu on 07 Aug 2003 - 23:15
- Nothing happens when I click the 7
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#4 Posted by naap51stang on 08 Aug 2003 - 00:14
- if it's better/faster than the lastest public build of firdbird, I'll try it.
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#4.1 Posted by louiskhorweiwu on 08 Aug 2003 - 01:09
- Well, you'd be best going with the last stable build, 7.11 available from the main opera site.
I've tried Firebird, and sorry, no comparison. Speed is amazing (the caching is excellent) the rendering is nice and light, and I can now no longer live without customisable search boxes on my personal bar.
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#5 Posted by Quboid on 08 Aug 2003 - 00:43
- Nice - Opera 7.20b2 was good and had plenty of improvements over the earlier 7.1x's but man, it doesn't let you forget it's a beta.
EDIT: Now coming at you from beta 3. Looking good
, except it still refuses to acknowledge that a POP3 box has 4 emails setting waiting for download 
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#6 Posted by Netsabes on 08 Aug 2003 - 00:49
QUOTE Fixed crash at http://seb.mozdev.org/firebird/
1. It's my page, nobody told me it crashed Opera7.
2. It's basic XHTML1.1/CSS2
3. And it's a page where you can download Windows installers for Mozilla Firebird
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#7 Posted by kioria on 08 Aug 2003 - 03:45
- i.e. 6.0 owns -_- a modified one tho.
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#8 Posted by CatnipOligarthy on 08 Aug 2003 - 04:00
- cool...opera is awesome. thanks for posting
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#9 Posted by ynkephnx on 08 Aug 2003 - 04:11
- yeah i been using opera lately on my roommates pc and it is a pretty good browser
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#10 Posted by jerry on 08 Aug 2003 - 04:55
- I hate the way opera/mozilla/firebird/netscape render webpages especially images.
Does anybody else feel the same ?
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#10.1 Posted by mezz on 08 Aug 2003 - 05:16
QUOTE (#10.0) Does anybody else feel the same ?
Nope, using Opera for years and I love it. I use it on Linux, BSD and Windows.
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#11 Posted by Fubar on 08 Aug 2003 - 08:19
- the best just keeps getting better :/
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#12 Posted by Soleen on 08 Aug 2003 - 09:06
- opera is the best
but i still prefer to use the 7.11 untill the final come out, since i am using it as a mail client as well
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#13 Posted by Toxicfume on 08 Aug 2003 - 10:55
- I like opera very much Alot more convenient and userfriendly than mozilla/firebird/etc/etc.
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#14 Posted by insanekiwi on 08 Aug 2003 - 11:12
- i liked opera when i first installed it,. but after a short period i unsitalled it cuz the tabbed brosing isnt as good as w/firebird by far. like you can open new tabs easily, but there's no close button. so i kicked opera back to the trashcan where it came from. if i'm wrong and they finally added a small close (
button on the right side like firebird has, tell me and i'll switch -
#14.1 Posted by Galley_SimRacer on 08 Aug 2003 - 14:31
- You can close a tab with a "middle-click". Likewise, you can open a blank tab when you middle-click in a blank area of the personal bar.
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#15 Posted by Ifoow on 08 Aug 2003 - 11:36
- Opera is fast has lots of nice features, but the thing I want it to do perfectly doesn't work very well, and that is loading pages properly. So you still need IE for those pages opera just can't load. And it's not free.
You can get a browser exactly like Opera which does load pages correctly it's called avantbrowser. Same thing with firebird, the download function doesn't work very well, but when that is fixed I might switch to firebird. -
#15.1 Posted by Galley_SimRacer on 08 Aug 2003 - 14:33
- Yeah, and with AvantBrowser you retain all the security weaknesses of IE!
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#15.2 Posted by mezz on 08 Aug 2003 - 17:02
- It is not Opera's fault, which a lot of webmaster doesn't follow the standard. Opera has the better render on CSS2 standard than any browsers.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/css2tests/intro.html
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#15.3 Posted by LiquidFX on 08 Aug 2003 - 19:25
- like mezz said its not Opera's (or Firebird) fault. Its the dude that *thinks* he can write webpages.
Thus Opera and Firebird will never (i hope) support those webpages.
As for Opera its a very cool browser, fast, light and with some cool options but i just like Firebird better since i can do some costumize i cant with Opera (and its free) -
#15.4 Posted by hoodedone on 31 Aug 2003 - 17:13
- Opera is better at being correct than IE, but it still fails on a *lot* of correct CSS stuff. Just yesterday I tried to get it to recognize the max-height property on a position:fixed div. No go.
Oh, and that test linked tested Mozilla 1.1 alpha and Netscape 6. Not exactly accurate. Quite a few of those tests *weren't* CSS2 anyway. Also very interesting given that he testes Opera 7. Do I sense a bias?
The author also seems to like to declare the specs "incorrect" whenever he doesn't like them.
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#16 Posted by ThumperZ1 on 08 Aug 2003 - 13:07
- I've used Opera off and on since version 4. I liked it because it was quicker than Netscape and IE. It still is, but Firebird is also fast and of course free. My only complaint with Firebird is the way things download also.
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#16.1 Posted by nic on 08 Aug 2003 - 21:17
- Yeah, Firebird's download support is kinda sad and needs to be fixed. Its annoying clicking on a download link and then seeing a bunch of garble come up. If the person in charge of setting up the web server sets up the MIME-types properly, this isn't a problem. But this obviously isn't being done.
The only solution I've found is installing the "Things they left out" extension, and configuring common MIME types for downloading yourself
Hopefully they will fix it soon though.
-Nic
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#17 Posted by cork1958 on 09 Aug 2003 - 08:43
- I love Opera. Been using it since early version 5. Been recently playing with MyIE2 and like it also. Not as much as Opera, but still good. Just can't get into that Firebird. Don't come across that many sites that don't display properly at all. If I do, I KNOW it's just some bad coding on the webmasters part.
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#18 Posted by kronix2 on 30 Aug 2003 - 11:43
- Heh, there are more changes between Opera 7.20 beta 2 and 3 than between IE 5 and 6.
As usual, discuss the new version in opera.beta and on the my.opera.com forums. If you install over pre-beta 2 installations, it will not yet re-index your messages for use with separate accounts. Only mail received after installing beta 2 or beta 3 will be available if you choose to show separate accounts.
Notable changes since the last newsgroup beta:
General
- Crash fixes
- Fixed several crashes when closing pages
- Fixed problem where saving pages or images occasionally crashes Opera
- Fixed crash at http://seb.mozdev.org/firebird/
- Several BiDi fixes
- Arabic Shadda breaks joining
- Two consecutive unicode control codes should be two separate words
- Bugfix for two consecutive BIDI_ES characters
- Several display fixes
- Numerous fixes for run-ins and absolute positioned boxes
- Fixed that background sometimes disappeared when turning print preview on and off
- Fix for max-width not wrapping float text
- Fixed display of MAP elements
- Several DOM/ECMAscript fixes
- Fixes to get XML Events working again - Scripts with language="" are no longer ignored
- Fixed several problems with getComputedStyle
- Fixed a style.backgroundColor problem
- Adjusted security password policy: Minimum 6 characters and either 1. At least one alphabetic character and one non-alphabetic character, or 2. At least one character from a non-western european character set (specifically: not Latin-1)
- Autologin with wand evn if there is no username
- Added experimental support for IPv6. See INI settings section of changelog for related preference
- Added ability to delay initial document paint. See INI settings section of changelog for related preference
- Dialup should work again
- Fixed use of OperaDEF6.adr for bookmarks and missing default bookmarks
- New URL scheme supported: data (RFC 2397)
- Fix for sending form data written in Japanese/Russian/etc. Should fix many form related issues (CNN QuickVote, banking sites, etc.)
- Fix for AltGr+z, AltGr+n opening page/window instead of typing a Polish character on Win9x systems
- Reintroduced Kioskmode
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