Sun Java Desktop Demo Out
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#1 Posted by iomayho on 17 Oct 2003 - 15:42
- yet another linux distro......
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#1.1 Posted by CooCooCaChoo on 18 Oct 2003 - 02:30
QUOTE (#1.0) yet another linux distro......
Stop being such an idiot. It is mearly SuSE Linux Corp Desktop tweaked and modified by SUN. It isn't a new distro by any stretch of the imagination.-
#1.3 Posted by CooCooCaChoo on 18 Oct 2003 - 02:50
QUOTE (#1.2) well, it doesn't say that on the article, does it....
WOW! I've done SOOOOOOOOO much work! How about using Google next time instead of making such stupid comments.
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/sun_desktop.html
SUSE LINUX is chosen as Integral Component to Sun's Java(tm) Desktop System
SUSE LINUX today announced that it has extended its global alliance with Sun Microsystems beyond the server and out to the desktop. As part of its recent announcement of the Java(tm) Desktop System, Sun has chosen SUSE to provide the core Linux technology of the new solution.
The Java Desktop System delivers a secure, familiar, affordable desktop system designed specifically for enterprise customers. At $100 per desktop annually (US list price), the system delivers a comprehensive desktop environment which includes the latest release of Sun's fastest growing open and affordable office productivity suite, StarOffice(tm) 7, the latest release of the Java(tm) 2 Standard Edition (J2SE(tm)) platform and the popular Mozilla browser, plus e-mail, calendaring and instant messaging applications - based on SUSE LINUX Desktop and Solaris Operating System (OS).
"We are seeing tremendous momentum in the Linux desktop space," said Richard Seibt, CEO, SUSE LINUX. "We believe that - with a company like Sun providing the global reach, sales, and support in the desktop market - we will see that momentum accelerate."
Sun's new Java Desktop System integrates many of the desktop components from open source technologies. Through this alliance, Sun is leveraging SUSE's Linux engineering expertise. The new product combines the installation, management capabilities and language support from SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server and SUSE LINUX Desktop into this new product offering. SUSE LINUX will provide Sun with the same operating system platform base for clients and servers, including a five-year commitment of maintenance.
"Whether motivated by business continuity objectives, or a desire to save millions in licensing fees, enterprises, academic institutions and governments -- and ultimately consumers -- require a secure, credible and affordable alternative on the desktop," said Peder Ulander, director of marketing, Desktop Solutions, Sun Microsystems. "Sun believes that Linux and Solaris play a major role in our overall desktop strategy. The new Java Desktop System is delivering on Sun's vision of providing an integrated, complete and open desktop environment that drives down costs on the desktop, while increasing performance and security."-
#1.4 Posted by iomayho on 18 Oct 2003 - 10:09
- you got a problem, what's up with that attitude...
i made a mistake..., so what..!!! there is no need for calling names is there....
it just proves how some of you don't have any respect for other...., i feel bad for you......
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#1.5 Posted by CooCooCaChoo on 18 Oct 2003 - 10:55
QUOTE (#1.4) you got a problem, what's up with that attitude...
i made a mistake..., so what..!!! there is no need for calling names is there....
it just proves how some of you don't have any respect for other...., i feel bad for you......
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What about you smart-ass attitude in regards to SUN and Java Desktop System?-
#1.6 Posted by fizik3 on 18 Oct 2003 - 18:44
- mr coocachoo you sound very frustrated and starving for a reason to bitch at someone. you have a very negative attitude and deserve the respect of a 10 yr old.
what about iomayho's "smart-ass attitude" towards SUN and Java? can you point that out for me, son? why dont you come down from coke and enjoy neowin.net
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#2 Posted by tmaxxtigger on 17 Oct 2003 - 15:56
- <quote>is only a demo and that speed is not indicative of the actual production </quote>
Read as: We can't figure out how to make it faster, but hope someone can before we release it!
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#3 Posted by fekimoki on 17 Oct 2003 - 16:02
- sometimes i want to try those distros, coz Im getting bored of windoze. but dont know why, I always back to windoze.
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#3.1 Posted by DigitalDreamer on 17 Oct 2003 - 19:45
- I am the same way.
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#3.2 Posted by Mantra Locust on 17 Oct 2003 - 22:23
- Same here.
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#3.3 Posted by quintesse on 19 Oct 2003 - 14:14
- Because it takes time and effort to get used to a new system. So if there's no real compelling reason for you to make that effort you probably will never make the switch, why should you?
We've got 5 computers running here: 2 windows laptops, 1 windows desktop, 1 linux desktop/firewall combo and 1 linux HTPC (www.mythtv.org). I just use whatever I like best for the situation. Linux is a good way to keep the costs down without resorting to illegal software all of the time, but there are things that I still can't use Linux for, games mostly :-)
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#4 Posted by dougkinzinger on 17 Oct 2003 - 16:05
- Yes, you always back to Windoze. Why? Because you need it.
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#5 Posted by rezza on 17 Oct 2003 - 16:24
- Ouch... a bit late? I posted a quick pseudo-review of this 10 days ago: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=106239
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#6 Posted by archish on 17 Oct 2003 - 16:57
- thet should have a download able live cd.
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#7 Posted by Stryder68 on 17 Oct 2003 - 17:08
- All of Suns previous hype about replacing Windows...... for just another linux distro? Get real.
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#8 Posted by Williamx on 17 Oct 2003 - 17:28
- is there any screenshot?
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#9 Posted by Chicane-UK on 17 Oct 2003 - 18:26
- I wouldn't be bothered so much by all the trolling if Windows was such an infallable & fine example of a masterpiece of programming. But its not.. its just what you are used to, or what does the job for you. Yipee.
Either post something insightful or interesting.. don't sit posting trolls about an OS you've probably never used, nor have any interest in. -
#9.1 Posted by g33kb0y on 17 Oct 2003 - 19:09
- Could you show me a single person who said Windows is infallable, let alone an example of a "masterpiece of coding." Just because people go BACK to Windows doesn't mean they believe it's a perfect piece of work. What you've stated above makes you sounds a lot like a Linux zealot who, once again, jumped the gun on a user's operating system opinion.
I use Linux all the time, myself, eventhough WindowsXP is still my primary OS of choice. I'm looking forward to trying out Sun's Linux distro. This demo seems like a waste for me. If I test out an operating system, I want to be able to measure performance as well. -
#9.2 Posted by Chicane-UK on 17 Oct 2003 - 19:31
- I'm really not a Linux zealot. I admin two Linux boxes at work, and am very comfortable configuring up some of the more advanced services on it. But thats about where it stops.
My work desktop is a G4 Powermac running OS X, and my single home PC is an AMD chipped machine running Windows XP which I couldn't live without. I like Linux, but I don't really get on with it on the desktop very well. I do however get on with OS X really well on the desktop
I just get a bit fed up of the trolling of Linux & Sun threads. Thats all.
Oh, and i'd gladly give you the Sun Java Desktop Demo CD I got in the post a few weeks ago from Sun - it didn't really get on with my NForce2 board very well, so I didn't try it much -
#9.3 Posted by Stryder68 on 17 Oct 2003 - 21:50
- You should not make assumptions.
I have been a fan of Sun for a long time and a happy linux user for almost 3 years now. When I heard their Windows replacing OS was just another linux distro I was disappointed. I was hoping for something actually revolutionary instead of something that is pretty common place...... -
#9.4 Posted by CooCooCaChoo on 18 Oct 2003 - 02:42
QUOTE (#9.3) You should not make assumptions.
I have been a fan of Sun for a long time and a happy linux user for almost 3 years now. When I heard their Windows replacing OS was just another linux distro I was disappointed. I was hoping for something actually revolutionary instead of something that is pretty common place......
So in otherwords, since SUN didn't wast $2billion flogging a dead horse and re-inventing the wheel like so many other failures; BeOS is one example that comes to mind, you're now whinging that SUN took and existing idea and made it a workable solution for the corporate desktop?
SUN is there to make money, the aren't there for geeks such as you self, to get your creative juices going into overdrive on the basis that because it is something completely different, obviously then it is better? BeOS tried that, "we a different and we are better routine" and now look where it is; YellowTab producing Zeta, a half-baked contiuation of BeOS and the remainder of the OS sitting at Palm Source doing god knows what.-
#9.5 Posted by Stryder68 on 18 Oct 2003 - 04:01
- Huh???? Where do you people come from??? You do not know me from the man on the moon. Why should you even care if I am disappointed about some product? But while we're at it, I was also disappointed in Windows ME, Partition Magic 8, Winamp 3.x and many others. Does that get your panties in a bunch too?
But in the future I will be sure to check back with you to see how I should feel about things, ok? What a whacko.
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#10 Posted by corrosive23 on 17 Oct 2003 - 19:31
- the sun demo is just suse linux with some crappy sun branding on it
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#10.1 Posted by CooCooCaChoo on 18 Oct 2003 - 02:45
QUOTE (#10.0) the sun demo is just suse linux with some crappy sun branding on it
How is that any different to Windows XP and .NET; Great kernel, crap API, even crappier copy of Java.-
#10.2 Posted by Eldoen on 19 Oct 2003 - 15:28
- Ok,
Lets narrow down which api??
The win 32 API?? Winforms (which is a shell in most case around the win32 api) the BCL,
BTW, the Only language that even appears to Look Like Java is C#, so VB.net, Managed C++ are Java copies?? Personally I like Ruby for alot of areas and I have a project that will take my ruby code to .net and back.
Java had its chance. we in the community waited and planned for it to go to being standardized twice, and Sun recanted on it twice.
But if we are going to discuss api's at least list the API's that suck.
In the framework alone there are several "grouped" apis. not to mention
the win32 api on the unmanaged side.
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#11 Posted by MxxCon on 17 Oct 2003 - 21:16
- where's d/l for this?
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#11.1 Posted by rezza on 18 Oct 2003 - 07:55
- As far as I know, you can't d/l it... you need to be a company or an organisation... you can ask sun nicely to send you out a Demo CD if you want...
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#12 Posted by Joshie on 18 Oct 2003 - 18:47
- I wonder if nerds still slap-fight?
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#12.1 Posted by Digital-Dog on 18 Oct 2003 - 19:11
- apparently they dont slap any more ... they just call each other names till they cry.
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#13 Posted by Dessimat0r on 19 Oct 2003 - 16:04
- I wouldn't bother with it - Sun have no style sense whatsoever... just look at Java, for instance.
Sun specifies that the what is on the CD is only a demo and that speed is not indicative of the actual production version. Specifically, all the applications run off of the CD. One 110 meg file is copied to the HD which form what I have seen is the desktop shell.
The CD installed flawlessly on a standard PC. Installing the CD through virtualization software such as VMWare and Virtual PC also possible. Suprisingly enough, the installation menus remind me of the Red Hat installer. The Sun Desktop however seems much faster and more fluid.
The Desktop is a standard Gnome looking linux desktop. The demo cd also includes supports for braille devices which I though was interesting.
The Sun Desktop demo comes installed with StarOffice 7, RealPlayer, Java 2 (JRE), Acrobat Reader, Flash player, evolution email client, and a bunch of other applications.
The demo runs linux kernel 2.4.19-4GB.
But the firm added that "significant barriers exist" which may prevent reliable exploitation outside controlled lab conditions.
ISS said that Microsoft has not yet released a patch for the vulnerability, and urged network administrators to assess external exposure to vulnerabilities associated with Microsoft services running on ports 135, 137, 138, 139, 445 and 593 on both the network perimeter and VPN connections.
Speaking at Microsoft's Partner Summit in New Orleans last week, chief executive Steve Ballmer criticised security researchers and their methods of disclosing vulnerabilities early.
"These are people who discover vulnerabilities, and it's part of their job to go public with them," he said.
"What we have done over the last six months is intersect with them to make sure disclosure is done in a more responsible way. I wish these people would just be quiet, but that's not going to happen."
ISS countered that it had speeded up disclosure of the vulnerability because tools are in circulation to demonstrate the DoS condition.