Opera 7.50 Preview 2
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#1 Posted by YaZoR on 18 Feb 2004 - 12:17
- does it beat firefox?
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#1.1 Posted by conan_2000 on 18 Feb 2004 - 12:50
- Opera has always beaten firefox!
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#1.2 Posted by speedy_kevin on 18 Feb 2004 - 12:58
- if you ask me, yes
The mouse gestures in opera are great and the built-in email client is very nice and saves alot of time. -
#1.4 Posted by rogerroger on 18 Feb 2004 - 19:49
- Firefox with mouse gesture extension works as great as MYie2 or Opera. Even has rocker support and many cool things you can do with the wheel! As for speed, Firefox is quite a bit faster at rendering pages and handles scripted pages much better than Opera. Opera disabled all the cool mouse over features of msnbc.com whereas firefox read them as well as IE. I consider that a plus!
Also, can Opera do windowsupdate? Firefox can with the activeX extension! -
#1.5 Posted by mezz on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:03
QUOTE (#1.4) Opera disabled all the cool mouse over features of msnbc.com whereas firefox read them as well as IE.
Err, no it's msnbc.com's fault. If msnbc.com see any 'Opera' in the user agent, then it will throw the wrong css file that got messup and disable the stuff. If I save the msnbc.com in the location machine and just modify a link to point on the MSIE or Netscape's CSS file *bang* the menu works perfect.
Same as with the Hotmail, it will disable the attach feature. I had to fool Hotmail the user agent and the attach works fine.
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#2 Posted by EnderDX on 18 Feb 2004 - 13:10
- Why do people always direct link to binaries?
Could someone please make it link to a page from opera that offers the download link? -
#2.1 Posted by cv_4ever on 18 Feb 2004 - 13:19
- Opera Foruns
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#3 Posted by Bryan000 on 18 Feb 2004 - 13:33
- Opera is my favorite browser. The screenshot in the news item does NOT do Opera justice (doesn't it look ugly?) You can switch it around and change it as much as you want. It has the most customizble interface of ANY browser--much more so than Firefox (which is not a bad browser either, by any count).
I personally have my Opera setup with a similar layout as Firefox (I do not like ethe address bar below the tabs, I put all of that stuff on what Opera calls the "main bar"
Anyway try it out. It comes with the latest version of Flash pre-bundled, and if you have Java installed you are ready to browse the entire web right out of the box. -
#3.1 Posted by RaGe- on 18 Feb 2004 - 16:42
QUOTE (#3.0) It has the most customizble interface of ANY browser--much more so than Firefox (which is not a bad browser either, by any count).
I'd have to disagree. You can customize the interface of Firefox considerably more then Opera's interface, if you know what you're doing. Using CSS, you can customize literally EVERY part of the interface, and more.-
#3.2 Posted by rogerroger on 18 Feb 2004 - 19:52
- That is true. Due to how Firefox utilizes CSS for interface rendering, it has become THE most customizable browser on the market to date (talking about the interface here).
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#4 Posted by carpediem on 18 Feb 2004 - 14:11
QUOTE Opera 7.50 Preview 2 for Windows is available for download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly, but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing forum.
Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous Opera installation is not recommended.
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#5 Posted by Deryck on 18 Feb 2004 - 14:15
- Seems good, but a little on the slow side. Any tips to speed it up?
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#6 Posted by Sushubh on 18 Feb 2004 - 15:09
- It's awesome... Adds the Bookmark Favicon support that people so yell for.
And is faaaaaaaast!
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#7 Posted by Trust on 18 Feb 2004 - 15:15
- I will check the opera 7.5 when it reach the final... And Im an Opera fan
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#8 Posted by Heathen on 18 Feb 2004 - 17:13
- Great build. The Start Panel is great... as you can hide it now.
I still prefer Opera over anything else....
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#9 Posted by vicente on 18 Feb 2004 - 17:31
- yeah, opera still is the best. I just dont understand all this hype surrounding firefox ..its like opera never existed. opera's loaded with features and these are not lil' nifty things u can ignore easily. Speed: its still unbeatable; the very fact that you can load/block images on-the-fly throws mozilla and the rest of the competition outta the window. Looks? ugly?!! wtf? whoever said this either dint use opera, never cared abt UI customizations or belives fanboyism is not restricted to graphics cards.
The only prb with opera is that it crashes now & then. But they got this recovery feature that brings its state back to the point before it crashed. so u cant possibly lose data.
As far as stability goes, FIREBIRD is still the best. FIREFOX crashed on after loading a few tabs the first time I ran it (dunoo why), the point is I did lose some time & work coz it wasnt possible to recover everything like opera, and so i got rid of it.
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#9.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 18 Feb 2004 - 19:36
- You use Opera and that's great, but it's no reason to put down Firefox. Opera is REALLY ugly by default - yes, you can change the skin but it even with that it STILL doesn't look as good as Firefox. Speed on Firefox is brilliant. The fact that Opera crashes "now & then" is NOT it's only problem - incompatability with sites is a major one, problems with extra features (like taking eMule links) is another (it is possible, but only by editing .ini files - Firefox just works "out the box". As for the crash recovery on Opera - yeah, it's good but it's NEEDED more because it is more unstable. It is not as standards compliant as Firefox.
Opera is OK... but it has lots of little niggles that make it easier to use Firefox - in Opera I end up having to use IE quite often because of one page of another that won't work. For instance, it won't upload to Brinkster.com. One major niggle is that the interface takes a minute or two to change so that it doesn't look ugly each time I install - and it's not at all space efficient by default; there's a lot of wasted view space. Plus, in Opera the download manager looks completely awful.
It's fine that you like it, but to say it's better than Firefox is wrong - Firefox is simpler; it's streamlined and designed to run fast (I find it faster than Opera) and it is the most standards compliant browser - Opera is more feature packed; email client - to a lot of people Opera feels very bloated in comparison to Firefox.
As for stablity... Opera has often crashed on me, and the backup feature would often remember most of my tabs but NOT all of them. Using the milestone releases of Opera/Firebird/Pheonix it has NEVER crashed on me (obviously some of the beta builds have).
PS - It's not that people think Opera never existed, it's just that most people that used Opera moved onto Firefox.
Also, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. It's fine it you want to download all your programs illegally, but if you legally buy programs then most people would obviously prefer Firefox [even though a lot of people, like myself find Firefox much better than Opera] (I'm NOT accusing you of pirating software, but a lot of people do and don't consider that price is an issue to some people). -
#9.2 Posted by rogerroger on 18 Feb 2004 - 20:07
- I agree with "theyarecomingforyou." Firefox is indeed faster at rendering pages. It is also more flexible. By this I mean you can edit not only how the browser looks, but how it behaves, blocks adds, speed, etc. Opera closes most of these abilities so uses have to take what they are given, similiar to IE. Firefox is streamlined because it is a browser, not everything but the kitchen sink. You can download an add-on mail client if you need, and you can download other add-on features as you need them. I personally like this "ala-cart" method in efforts to keep the browser a browser, small and fast.
As for crashing, I've never had either program crash. Both are reliable. However, out of the box, Opera is VERY ugly. They should include a bunch of skins and upon installation, force the user to select one. Firefox is pretty out of the box. As for ad blocking, doesn't being able to display your blocked ads defeat the purpose of ad blocking? This is an area in which Opera needs to play catch up. They download the ads and everything and then they hid it from you. Browsing would be faster if those ad requests were not processed. Don't flame me if I state this incorrectly, but Firefox does not process those add requests and this is one of the fetures to speed up browsing.
Lastly, Opera, when are you going to render websites correctly consistantly? Seems Opera turns off mouse over menus on many sites and changes font and box color on several others. Firefox renders all these sites correctly. So if both browsers claim to adhere to the w3c standards, and both browsers render the same page differently, who's lying? Thanks for reading! -
#9.3 Posted by mimeryme on 18 Feb 2004 - 20:21
- He can't say Opera > Firefox, but you can say the opposite? Seems fair.
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#9.4 Posted by d_ralphie on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:06
- response to FUD by theyarecomingforyou:
QUOTE Opera is REALLY ugly by default
a new skin is on the way. the one in 7.50 preview is a placeholder.
also, functionality is what matters, and firefox simply cannot compete with opera there.
QUOTE The fact that Opera crashes "now & then" is NOT it's only problem
it never crashes here. and even as a preview, 7.50 is far more stable than firefox.
QUOTE ncompatability with sites is a major one, problems with extra features (like taking eMule links) is another (it is possible, but only by editing .ini file
no you don't. but opera is a SECURE browser which doesn't let just anyone launch programs on your pc by clicking a link, so you have to go to prefs/file types to add these protocols to the list of accepted ones. you don't have to edit an ini file at all.
QUOTE ne major niggle is that the interface takes a minute or two to change so that it doesn't look ugly each time I install
no you don't. to upgrade, just install it over the old version.
QUOTE and it's not at all space efficient by default
you obviously haven't tried 7.50.
QUOTE Plus, in Opera the download manager looks completely awful.
looks completely awful??? it's a download manager! how can it LOOK awful? it kicks firefox's behind any day.
QUOTE It's fine that you like it, but to say it's better than Firefox is wrong
no it isn't. firefox is slow and bloated, and the extensions are buggy and in eternal beta testing. they also conflict and slow firefox down even further. and they don't integrate well with each other.
compare to opera, where everything just works. where you don't have to download some lame, buggy extension to get things done.
QUOTE It's not that people think Opera never existed, it's just that most people that used Opera moved onto Firefox.
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#9.5 Posted by d_ralphie on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:09
- rogerroger:
opera is actually smaller and faster than firefox, despite having more features... how do you explain that?
QUOTE Seems Opera turns off mouse over menus on many sites and changes font and box color on several others.
that's not opera's fault. if you check the source, you will see that just about all of them actually BLOCK opera on purpose! how's that for browser discrimination! just block anything which isn't netscape (gecko, which is used by ff) or internet explorer!
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#10 Posted by Monte on 18 Feb 2004 - 18:00
- bah opera, hail the fox
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#10.1 Posted by tlogank on 18 Feb 2004 - 18:28
- I was a diehard Firefox fan up until about 2 weeks ago. Then I tried Opera as recommended my a friend and I never looked back. It is much more customizeable in my opinion (unless you know how to mess with source code) and it seems substantially faster to me. Not to mention it uses less memory on average.
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#10.2 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 18 Feb 2004 - 19:48
- Firefox hasn't even been out for two weeks! The jump from the nightly builds to the 0.8 milestone significant as Firebird wasn't as responsive up until the final build. - Speed varies on computers - one person can have Firefox run faster, another the opposite. - As for memory usage - wtf? Why do so many people resort to this - it doesn't matter if it runs faster; you can still multi-task with programs like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Word, iTunes AND defragment your hard-drive without it slowing down so where exactly does memory usage come into play? As for customizable - it needs to be when the interface looks like it was designed for 5yr olds with learning difficulties; and I still find Firefox more customizable.
IMO Firefox smokes Opera, but it's just that - my opinion.
PS - I'll shut up now... I didn't come in here to start a fight or put people down - I'm most definitely not trying to troll, just meaning to put across the opposite side of the arguement.
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#11 Posted by krazeguy on 18 Feb 2004 - 18:32
- The mouse gesters become very usful with opera.
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#11.1 Posted by rogerroger on 18 Feb 2004 - 20:09
- Firefox has three different mouse gestures extensions you can download for it. Two of them even have more functionality than Opera's mouse gesture ability.
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#11.2 Posted by d_ralphie on 21 Feb 2004 - 14:50
- rogerroger
QUOTE Firefox has three different mouse gestures extensions you can download for it
Yeah, that's the problem. You have to download lots of extensions, all of which are in perpetual beta testing, and rather buggy. You can't just get down to doing what you want to do - surf.
With FF it's download lots and lots of extensions until you find something which kind of works. With Opera, it just works.
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#12 Posted by PlainLazy on 18 Feb 2004 - 18:59
- This new version is great, I cant wait till the final
As for the crappy screenshot, Ive still not had time to customize it, and thats the default skin that Opera comes with, you can download loads more, dont let it put you off
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#13 Posted by riven on 18 Feb 2004 - 19:18
- ive been an opera user for about a year now. i must say i loved it. even firebird couldnt tempt me away. but now firefox has been released ive swapped over. Firefox is greatly faster than even opera, mouse gestures can be downloaded as an extension (i cant live without them). Also you will find lots of things saying you can block banner ads with opera but editing some config files. But ive tried all of them and it just doesnt work. The M2 mail client can also be confusing, Thunderbird is a lot clearer and easier to use.
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#13.1 Posted by rogerroger on 18 Feb 2004 - 20:13
- When I used to use Opera, I too had those same add blocking issues. I'd follow their examples, but my ads would sometimes never go away. Plus Opera hides ads instead of simply not making the server connections. By hiding the ads, browsing is not sped up at all, so what's the point.
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#14 Posted by Hitmeandilltellu on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:17
- I dont get it, this is a comments page for a preview of a new version of opera, why did we feel the need to start an opera vs firefox flamewar the point is really this, Opera has features that are good, and firefox has features that are good. so how about we drop the debate because its defineately not going anywhere, OK?
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#15 Posted by GeeZuZz on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:18
- As a Opera user i tried Firefox when it was realeased a few weeks ago, and i really don't understand whats so cool about it. YES it's better then IE, but NO, theres nothing special about it. Its a very basic browser - not comparable to Opera, which is much more advanced, and effective.
Yes, it is possible to download extensions, but why don't you download opera instead? Everything you need is already built in, and properly tested by the developers.
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#16 Posted by RangerLG on 18 Feb 2004 - 21:54
- Oh enough with everything already. Browse with whatever you want and quit flaming people just because they don't use your browser.
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#17 Posted by Master Xen on 18 Feb 2004 - 23:06
- I love Opera, but the load times for the program don't really come close to IE's. Faster loadtimes would be awesome, but then again, IE has an unfair advantage seeing as how it's built into the OS
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#17.1 Posted by STi Sev on 18 Feb 2004 - 23:35
QUOTE (#17.0)
You're joking, right?
Opera's load times are infinitesimally faster than IE 6's.
However, there are still quite a few bugs in Opera, (and this new preview version is yet another example) and IE 6 is MUCH more compatible with most sites.-
#17.2 Posted by Master Xen on 18 Feb 2004 - 23:46
- Joking? Not at all
IE 6 loads as fast as I can click the damn icon, but Opera takes around 2 to 3 seconds to load into the window
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#18 Posted by charliebrown on 19 Feb 2004 - 22:27
- Ignore what theyarecomingforyou had to say.
Opera is an UGLY and AD FILLED piece of sh*t.
This is what you get, messages, do you want X ads or Y ads, do you want to search Amazon, do you want to search eBay WTF ?
This is NOT a browser it is a SELLING MACHINE.
Use Internet Explorer or Firefox and the employees and lackies of Opera should F off with their bullsh*t reviews.
I can't believe people actually use this piece of sh*t. You may as well download Gator and all the other useless adware available.
Opera browser = SH*T BROWSER
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#18.1 Posted by irate on 21 Feb 2004 - 05:22
- Woah, easy boy. I don't know where you're getting this stuff from, but I have to disagree with you completely. Opera is a great browser, I prefer it over Mozilla (mainly for UI reasons) and both browsers are so far above IE as to be laughable.
Bottom line? Opera is a good, solid browser for day to day use. I would (and do) recommend it to everyone I know. -
#18.2 Posted by d_ralphie on 21 Feb 2004 - 14:52
- charliebrown
You get to choose between relevant ads and normal ads. And you can search Google, AllTheWeb, Lycos, images, newsgroups, news, etc. And Amazon and eBay, which happen to be popular.
QUOTE This is NOT a browser it is a SELLING MACHINE.
You are NOT a person, you are a LIE MACHINE.
QUOTE I can't believe people actually use this piece of sh*t. You may as well download Gator and all the other useless adware available.
Gator is not a browser.
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#19 Posted by sullysnet on 27 Apr 2004 - 22:01
- I want to say to the people that have not tried this in a long time it is SOOOOOOO AWESOME now. I can't even believe it how sweet it is. I have not left MyIE2 yet and doubt I will for now but I am LOVING this and can't wait to really test it out
Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous Opera installation is not recommended.
Read more for the changes listings...
Every aspect of Opera Chat has been improved. There's a new identd server to make connecting to IRC easier. We've fixed several other usability bugs with Opera Chat. You can now add IRC nicknames for your contacts and they'll show up in the Chat panel when they're online or away. Right-clicking in the Chat panel gives you the opportunity to set your away status. Don't forget to join us at #opera on irc.opera.com for some great chat!
Having trouble finding bookmarks? Opera now saves favicons in the Bookmarks panel, Bookmarks menu, and Personal bar. It's easier than ever to find the bookmarks you're looking for.
Building on the success from 7.50 Preview 1, we've polished M2 so it's ready for general use. We've fixed several problems that could lead to message loss. We've sped up reindexing, importing, downloading messages, reading messages; well, just about everything. It's now easier to mark messages as spam and marking messages as "Not spam" doesn't add a new contact. New mail notification is now more clear, too. Clicking on the notification tooltip will open your Unread view. The Mail panel selector button will show the number of messages in your Unread view and is highlighted when there's new mail since last you looked. Take the new M2 for a spin, we're sure you'll like her.
While still experimental, the Start panel has come a long way. The Start panel is now fully customizable. You can drag buttons and edit fields there, so you can make it suit your needs. And the slim and maximized Start panels can be customized with different buttons and fields. Got a search you think everyone should know about? You can make it a link on your web page that others can drag to their Start panel!
To keep useless information about downloads out of your face until you can actually use the file, we've made it so the Transfers panel doesn't open automatically. The Transfers button in the panel selector now includes the time remaining and the number of downloads. And when a download completes, a tooltip lets you know and the Transfer panel selector button is highlighted.
The panels are now more usable and flexible. Maximized panels have different toolbar buttons than slim panels. And they have additional columns, providing usual information. The History panel, for instance, will tell you the pages you've visited most in the Popularity column. To make it easier to get info from the panels into Opera's work space, single clicking on panel items now activates them. Want to hide the panel selector to get a little more work space? No problem, just put your mouse at the edge of Opera's window, click, and it gets hidden.