Opera 9.0 Preview 1 Available for Download
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#1 Posted by bangbang023 on 21 Oct 2005 - 00:53
- seems like opera.com is now down.
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#2 Posted by Fit4130Rider on 21 Oct 2005 - 01:33
- Downloaded last night and it seems very nice. There was a page error on www.somethingawful.com where text would overlap the pictures on the daily articles by about one character. But it's all fixed in this release.
Also, its almost 100% Acid2 compliant (at least visually). The eyes aren't as bright, but it looks like a smiley face. The same thing cannot be said for IE where (at least for me) its a red smear across the whole bottom of the page.
I'm very impressed with this build.
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#3 Posted by Nautica on 21 Oct 2005 - 01:39
- wow, super solid preview
I would backup every bookmark before installing, and uninstall your old opera before installing this though
lots of improvements, esp the RICH TEXT IN GMAIL is now available
this just gets better and better
all we need is right click option or middle click option in bookmarks
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#4 Posted by DrDrrae on 21 Oct 2005 - 02:18
- The acid2 test is almost perfect.
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#4.1 Posted by liykh001 on 21 Oct 2005 - 02:56
- because not following standards creates all sorts of problems for users and web developers!!!
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#4.2 Posted by Rudy on 21 Oct 2005 - 02:58
- i dont understand why ppl care so much about the acid test
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#4.4 Posted by bangbang023 on 21 Oct 2005 - 03:24
- pat, it renders fine for me. I think you may be at too low a resolution or having zooming on or something.
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#5 Posted by j0j081 on 21 Oct 2005 - 02:51
- awesome news. i'm hoping this is stable enough to use all the time!
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#6 Posted by JaLooNz on 21 Oct 2005 - 03:07
- How do I access this function?
QUOTE BitTorrent support has been put back in this preview release, a feature Opera pulled from the older preview releases and thus didn't make it to the final 8.0. This feature works in a very subtle manner with minimal resource footprint.
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#7 Posted by Jexel on 21 Oct 2005 - 03:42
- I installed this over my version 8.5 and there's no problems with it. I might do a clean install when its officially released though. Great work from the Opera team.
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#8 Posted by drgrudge on 21 Oct 2005 - 03:56
- I will consider using opera the day it has auto ad blocking feature and have provistion for extensions/plugins
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#8.1 Posted by HawkMan on 21 Oct 2005 - 17:49
- I suppose you have paid subscription to NeoWin then? since you aren't sponsoring them through havign a few minor ads on the page ?
an Opera don't need any extensions, no need for the conflicts and memory problems that casues on a certainother browser who has it
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#8.2 Posted by elliot on 22 Oct 2005 - 15:33
- Who says it doesn't need them?
It might be bloated with every feature possible but extensions would be a great way to fix all the annoying behaviour crap that keeps me from switching... -
#8.3 Posted by Napalm Frog on 22 Oct 2005 - 20:42
- Well, Firefox doesn't have auto adblocking. One needs to get an extension. As for Opera, it's the same thing. I downloaded a util, and many ads are blocked for me. Too bad I don't remember where I got it from
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#9 Posted by Fit4130Rider on 21 Oct 2005 - 03:58
- Here's a mirror if its needed.
http://neowin.ath.cx/fit4130/o90p1_8031.exe
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#10 Posted by timdorr on 21 Oct 2005 - 04:04
- Why is this a major version release? It doesn't seem like they've done anything major to it... It's still a crap browser.
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#10.1 Posted by rm20010 on 21 Oct 2005 - 04:13
- *sigh*
Everyone to their own preference, but certain people like it. And this is the first preview - they haven't worked on the UI yet.
If it were a regular member saying that the post would've magically disappeared minutes from now.
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#10.2 Posted by worbd on 21 Oct 2005 - 07:19
- [quote]Why is this a major version release? It doesn't seem like they've done anything major to it...[quote]
Apart from huge changes to the core rendering engine? Maybe, just maybe you should actually read the changelog. Knowledgeable users know that major changes don't necessarily mean major UI changes.
QUOTE It's still a crap browser.
Hurts to see Firefox beat?
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#10.3 Posted by carpediem on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:42
- It's a preview version... LOTS of stuff is not yet added. You will get site specific settings when it comes to security settings, etc... It's already in there if you want to manually type it in the ini files, but GUI will be added later.
There are also lots of stuff that is improved under the hood.... How much has really changed from FF 1.0 to 1.5, and how long time has it taken? Opera has great momentum now and is developing their browser at a MUCH much greater speed than Mozilla now.
Site specific settings information here:
http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/show.dml/47671
http://my.opera.com/nafmo/blog/show.dml/47674
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#10.4 Posted by rbet on 21 Oct 2005 - 13:14
- See... Neowin staffmembers can be trolls too! Let's feed the monkey!
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#10.5 Posted by Cheese Whiz on 21 Oct 2005 - 13:38
QUOTE Why is this a major version release? It doesn't seem like they've done anything major to it... It's still a crap browser.
gj, timdorr.
I won't say anything as silly as your comment (such as "A small orange is crap" because that wouldn't be polite.
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#10.6 Posted by mr_demilord on 21 Oct 2005 - 15:27
QUOTE
#1.5 Reply by rbet on 21 Oct 2005 - 15:14 Quote this comment
See... Neowin staffmembers can be trolls too! Let's feed the monkey!
I agree the troll should be warned
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#10.7 Posted by nookadum on 21 Oct 2005 - 16:09
QUOTE Why is this a major version release? It doesn't seem like they've done anything major to it... It's still a crap browser.
QUOTE Hurts to see Firefox beat?
QUOTE How much has really changed from FF 1.0 to 1.5, and how long time has it taken? Opera has great momentum now and is developing their browser at a MUCH much greater speed than Mozilla now.
*sigh*
Again, another troll bashing another troll, and FUD being spread around. A day in the life of the average Neowinian (and other forum goers).
When will people stop being stupid and learn that not one browser is better than the next? It's all PREFERENCE people, PREFERENCE.
Here's my take on all browsers:
- Opera has a clunky toolbar system not similar to the Windows (and most *ni
GUI and still lacks some customizable options (i.e. mouse scrolling, how tabs shift around the tab bar, a better skinning engine, etc.), however Opera has many amazing features that people would love and is very lightweight on the resources. Also, it currently (up until now, sadly) lacks a plugin/extension that can directly rival Firefox's Adblock Plus making it difficult for former FF users (like me) to easily switch, but this is seperate matter. (Note my other posts below.)
- Firefox lacks the extra features of Opera out of the box and uses a lot of virtual memory (which is a big minus), but has a clean default interface that's simple to get used to and an extension system that anyone can use to add and remove whatever they like. Another plus is the Adblock Plus extension, although that's still a different matter altogether. Also, most of the extensions used to emulate Opera's functionality isn't as refined as Opera itself.
- IE has a lot of security vunerabilities, but when configured properly and taken cared of, it can be one of the most simplest and quickest ways to search through the web for those who do NOT need anything more. Hmm... it also has a lot of toolbars.
(Consider that an advantage OR disadvantage.)
But personally, I like to use both Firefox and Opera, but Firefox more. However, if Opera adopts most of the features of Firefox or vice versa, I might make a full switch. No one browser is perfect, nor better than each other. Sure, YOU (meaning everyone who reads this) may think Opera is better, Firefox is better, blah blah, but in the end, it's all preference.
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#11 Posted by Staind on 21 Oct 2005 - 04:16
- Good news. I gradually switch to this browser and it works fine just the font sometimes annoying.
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#12 Posted by soldier1st on 21 Oct 2005 - 04:21
- drgrudge:i doubt opera will become another firefox like browser,until then go back to firefox that has what you want,also the ad blocking is good,i love opera
anyways i tried this and it serems good,i will wait till the final to install on my main system.i will not replace 8.5 with a preview version cuzz i have opera 8.5 on 6 pcs and 1 of those is a test system.
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#13 Posted by nookadum on 21 Oct 2005 - 05:24
QUOTE Ctrl+T replaces Ctrl+N for opening a new tab.
YES! YES!
Now all it needs is Adblock Ext.-like adblocking/pinpointing, a more dynamic toolbar system, and smaller tabs and I'd completely switch from Firefox.
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#13.1 Posted by MNS on 22 Oct 2005 - 17:05
- you DO know you can change these shortcuts by yourself, right? i actually like CTRL-T, it's a standard cross-browser new tab shortcut.
adblock? i use Outpost. it blocks everything i tell it to.
dynamic toolbar system? Opera has the MOST dynamic toolbar system of any browser out there. you can drag-drop links and buttons from the page directly to the toolbars, for christ's sake. you can write your own buttons to make them do whatever. check the Wiki for some custom buttons.
smaller tabs? it's a matter of the skin. try the Breeze suite or some other minimalistic skins. Opera has the most advanced UI of any major browser.
sure, there are some quirks with it, and it does many things differently (originality is bliss), and there are a few things i miss from Firefox or Maxthon, but i've learned to live with it.. it all balances out when you have Opera's speed, stability, security, resource usage, and standards support. i switched from Maxthon once v8.0 hit, and haven't looked back. -
#13.2 Posted by nookadum on 23 Oct 2005 - 09:01
- Yeah, but in 8.50, I wasn't able to set CTRL-T for opening a new tab and CTRL-N as a new window. If I did, CTRL-T would do two things at once (even after I checked the whole list for any duplicate entries). 9 Pre. 1 seems to fix that problem.
Well, I wouldn't want to use a full software firewall as my adblocker (although I know they are better and more efficient than the built-in adblockers) as I already am routing through a real firewall. That, and I do not wish to have another seperate program running in the background as well.
Yes, you can also do those things in Firefox (I have Zoom In/Zoom Out buttons on my Firefox personal bar and other assorted things (like opening Explorer.exe and such); and I believe in Avant and Maxathon now support this too due to using the standard Windows GDI) as well, but it feels weird in a sense (IMO) when I use Opera.
Yes, but I wish for smaller tabs using the normal Windows interface, just like how Firefox and Maxathon have them. They're okay *now*, but I wish for more options on how their handling and look without having to fallback on skins.
Yes, originality is a plus, but for some (or maybe many) it's best to try and emulate the other players in the market that those people are used to as well. And I do agree, the W3C/WebStandards support is dead awesome in Opera.
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#14 Posted by AthleticTrainer1981 on 21 Oct 2005 - 05:32
- Serioulsy...just add an adblock extension and I would use it daily.
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#14.1 Posted by Kanel on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:53
- http://www.diplo.co.uk/design/operatools.php
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#15 Posted by Jelly2003 on 21 Oct 2005 - 06:40
- Wow, Opera is really on fire.
I can already confirm that CSS support is much better, and it also supports windows authentication which means that it works when browsing my testing server now!
Well done Opera, you're on a real winner here!
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#16 Posted by mr.roberts on 21 Oct 2005 - 07:21
- I love their desktop Opera but I still hate their forums.
This new version has absolutely been improved since the last version! Using it as my main browser (don't worry I've already backed up the C
rogram filesOpera and my profile) from version 8.5 before installing the 9.0 preview.
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#17 Posted by serafins on 21 Oct 2005 - 09:17
- For those who have fixation with the terms "Adblock":
1) there has always been a built-in feature "URL Filter" in Opera.
2) there has always been numerous ways to block ads, e.g. CSS, JS, 3rd parties softwares.
3) do a search.
4) to my knownledge of using FF's Adblock for 1/2 year a year ago,
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#17.1 Posted by nookadum on 21 Oct 2005 - 14:39
- 1) Yes, but it's not as refined as the extension. And it doesn't even collapse the space where the ads would've been when you add the URL(which is also a hassle).
2) Sure, but they're not as easy as the point-and-click simplicity that the Adblock Plus ext. for Firefox does so well. I don't want to have to edit a CSS file just to block ads everytime I surf around, nor do I want to install a seperate program (AdBlock Plus is truly an extension, not a seperate program that takes up memory) to do so either.
3) Look at 1 & 2 above.
4) Well now, it prevents ads from downloading, FYI.
This is the only thing that's keeping me from actually switching over to Opera. I like Opera now, but I really like Firefox's Adblock Plus. If there was a plugin for the exact same functionality as in Firefox, I'd uninstall it right away. (Except Thunderbird because I still think Opera's email client is still crap, IMO, even with this new version.)
EDIT: Okay, I tested Opera again and filter.ini does indeed use wildcards. The thing is it still doesn't collapse the former space. : I also checked out this website (gotten from above post) which almost makes it similar to FF's Adblock Plus, except it doesn't have some pinpointer functionality (i.e. when you open up Adblock, and scroll through the URLs, it would *blink* what part of the page that that URL is pointing to). Almost there...!
EDIT 2: Crap, just found out that you need the .NET framework to run this Adblock, and it is a seperate program. Great. He should've just made it in normal C++ so it can be used on multiple platforms at the least.
EDIT 3: Okay, these seem more feasible, but it's not quite perfect as it still needs outside resources.
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#18 Posted by insanekiwi on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:12
- downloading right now. gonna give this new version a try. the screenshot pat posted looks good, but as usual. after a fresh install you get the buttugly default layout. why for ****s sake does oepra store tha tabs OVER the addybar by default
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#18.1 Posted by carpediem on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:43
- It's easy to change it though... I always change the addy field to be above the TABS when I install Opera.
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#18.2 Posted by mr.roberts on 21 Oct 2005 - 12:13
- And if you have been using old versions of Opera, you don't have to delete or move your profile. Simply install over the top or uninstall the old version. It will leave any files related to your profile alone.
Once you have installed the new version, your settings and bookmarks will still be there.
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#19 Posted by Raven211 on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:34
- Hehe, I like it , and what I like even more is that this new Preview release seems to be much faster than v8.50 too
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#20 Posted by Yoeri on 21 Oct 2005 - 10:56
- I like it, especially the inital WebForms 2.0 support.
It is the first browser starting to support it ... hope Mozilla follows soon.
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#21 Posted by aristofeles on 21 Oct 2005 - 12:18
- For the first time I can't use an Opera beta
PS: just fixed: I had to convert the email (that I don't use) to get RSS suport back
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#22 Posted by skase on 21 Oct 2005 - 13:53
- "error initializing Opera" . . .?
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#22.1 Posted by RADicaLMMS on 21 Oct 2005 - 16:24
- Got this error too, when I didn't uninstall the last version.
Backup your settings: Bookmarks, search engines, toolbars etc in your profiles (Help, about paths) folder. Uninstall the previous installation, Then reinstall Opera 9, it should work fine.
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#23 Posted by cork1958 on 21 Oct 2005 - 15:01
- Rock on, Opera!!
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#24 Posted by EastExpert on 22 Oct 2005 - 01:25
- After getting notification about new Opera version I always go to BMW.co.uk and inexorably find yet another bug
This time I clicked to 5 series, and went to Car Comparator. By default there are two 540i which aren't too practical. I chose 525i and 530i and pressed "Compare models"... oops, doesn't compare...
Sorry, I can't go to Ford.co.uk as I own a BMW.
I will still play with Opera 9 (got a secret penchant for it) but will not make it default for sure.
Hate to rain on your parade, chaps.
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#25 Posted by Septimus on 22 Oct 2005 - 12:30
- Oooh one site... that's a good reason not to use it. More like drizzle than rain.
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#26 Posted by mikemyres on 22 Oct 2005 - 12:30
- Is there an option somewhere to get rid of that stupid stupid SILLY feature, where I go on a website and leave the tab open, close Opera, and if I reload, it's still there GAH, it's horrid, how do I remove this 'feature'
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#26.1 Posted by RADicaLMMS on 22 Oct 2005 - 13:20
- If you're reffering to the startup type 'Continue from last time' that can be changed from Tools>Preferences>General> Startup: drop downs eg:'Start from Home page' or Show Start-up dialogue' etc.
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#27 Posted by TRC on 22 Oct 2005 - 17:17
- I can't believe it, they finally added a Home button to the toolbar. It only took to version 9.0 too.
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#27.1 Posted by rm20010 on 22 Oct 2005 - 19:54
- LOL, your eyes must've missed it. It was there in version 8: highlight the address bar and it pops up. (It still does the same thing for this preview.)
As for the older versions, I forgot where it was in version 7, and I haven't used Opera before then.
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#28 Posted by BigCheese on 22 Oct 2005 - 23:59
- I think I'm switching now from Maxthon to this.
But there are thigns that Maxthon has that would make Opera much better:
*Optional system tray icon with minimize to system tray function.
*Super Drag 'n' Drop
*I don't like that fact that the mouse cursor doesn't chnage to an I-beam when hovering over text.
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#29 Posted by scaramonga on 23 Oct 2005 - 01:24
QUOTE I can't believe it, they finally added a Home button to the toolbar. It only took to version 9.0 too
I must get it then!......WOW!!!!!!
NOT!
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#29.1 Posted by mr_demilord on 23 Oct 2005 - 14:42
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One of the major changes is the new advanced configuration interface that can be accessed by entering opera:config into the address bar, which will display a page to manually edit opera's preferential values. This version also features Rich Text editing support, which appears to work in Google's popular email service, GMail. The promised new IMAP back-end has been built-in into the M2 mail client, along with the browser's support for XSLT, Canvas 2D, and Web Forms 2.0.
BitTorrent support has been put back in this preview release, a feature Opera pulled from the older preview releases and thus didn't make it to the final 8.0. This feature works in a very subtle manner with minimal resource footprint.
This Preview release is meant by Opera as a way to get bug reports and general feedback from the users, especially those involving Speed & Stability, IDing as Opera by default, render regressions since 8.5 and connecting to secure sites using TLS 1.1. Forums and Newsgroups are open for user input.
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