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Mozilla decides that Firefox 3.1 is actually 3.5

bangbang023   via Download Squad on 05 March 2009 - 20:25 · 63 comments & 15692 views

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While Firefox 3.0 was just updated with a bunch of security and stability fixes, Firefox 3.1 has been in beta for a tad bit longer than Mozilla had originally planned. This is mainly due to the inclusion of a new javascript engine that's been dubbed "Tracemonkey." Although the next beta of 3.1 is scheduled to be released somewhere between March 10th and 12th, the version its leading up to will, in fact, be labeled Firefox 3.5.

This upcoming milestone release will include the aforementioned Tracemonkey javascript engine along with new privacy features (including a private browsing mode), additions and changes to the way tabs are handled, and further progress in complying to the web standards demonstrated in the ACID3 test. Taking all of these features into consideration, Mozilla feels that bumping up Firefox's version number from 3.0 straight to 3.5 will be more indicative to the scope of work put into the latest iteration of their extremely popular browser.

So, why release the next beta as 3.1? Well, the beta builds have already started to compile and it takes time to increase the version number throughout their development system. It's only a number, though, and you can expect to see the 3.5 labeling begin to appear in both nightly builds and official builds in the very near future.

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(4 replies) #1 DomZ on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:28
With the new javascript engine it's probably worthy of 3.5
#1.1 Jugalator on 06 Mar 2009 - 09:48
Definitely. It takes Firefox 3 from being slow-ish (compared to modern competition, not compared to IE 7) to levels of Google Chrome and Safari 4. It's really a major leap in performance, and very noticeable especially on heavy sites. So I don't really have much to say about this, other than it would have seemed odd to just call it "3.1".
#1.2 Quillz on 07 Mar 2009 - 07:25
Not to mention that with the 1.x series, Mozilla also jumped straight to 1.5 from 1.0. Thus, this isn't anything unusual, including with other software developers. Microsoft, especially, has a tendency to make large jumps in versioning schemes. (Remember when Installer went from 3.x to 6.x, or something even more daunting?)
#1.3 Airlink on 08 Mar 2009 - 15:44
Quillz said,
Microsoft, especially, has a tendency to make large jumps in versioning schemes. (Remember when Installer went from 3.x to 6.x, or something even more daunting?)

Or when Windows 6.2 got the name Windows 7?
#1.4 Angel Blue01 on 09 Mar 2009 - 14:57
Actually Windows 7 is 6.1 (http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/10/14/why-7.asp!
#2 thealexweb on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:32
Good news.
#3 John. on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:42
With major browser updates all around, this was a very good choice.
#4 jamesyfx on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:43
I take it this will make more people upgrade. Seems more important!
#5 thealexweb on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:48
0.1 always seemed a little little for all the improvements they've made.
#6 +Xerxes on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:51
Sounds good to me 3.1 (aka 3.5 now) is coming along nicely, seems alot more stable then 3.0 and doesn't seem to crash as much (for me at least). So definitely will be making a point to upgrade to it when it finally releases
(6 replies) #7 +Smigit on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:51
Just a number. Could have gone to 4.0 for all it matters. Will be glad once it's finally released but.
#7.1 CalumJR on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:25
If they had gone for 4.0 many users would be disappointed The update is not worthy of a full number version
#7.2 tareqsiraj on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:26
blindly stepping up major version number without significant structural change is never a good idea. it would happen if the marketing people are in charge of release :p. but having a new javascript engine can be worthy of a big leap in minor version.
#7.3 +Smigit on 06 Mar 2009 - 01:45
well I'm sure many would see the changes as major just as likewise many saw versions 3 changes from version 2 not at all significant. Just depends who you are.

In the end it's just a number...why people would get upset if it was called version 4.0 instead of version 3.5 or think 3.5 is better than 3.1 I don't really know.

Hell 4.0 makes more sense than jumping from 3.0 to 3.5 like they have done from a numbering point of view.
#7.4 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 04:41
They don't number things according to a desired numbering system exactly, but rather the amount of work and changes brought into the project itself. So what if it doesn't follow the numbering scheme? Sometimes you get to working on something saying,"I'm going to fix this, oh and this..." and before you know it, you've done a lot more work than you probably intended on doing. The build number simply reflects that.

Doesn't matter what the end user "feels" would be better...

Either way, if it didn't matter to you, there's no point in arguing about it. Accept it and await its release.
#7.5 +Smigit on 06 Mar 2009 - 13:30
dead.cell said,
They don't number things according to a desired numbering system exactly...So what if it doesn't follow the numbering scheme?)

Which is what I'm saying, it doesn't really matter what the number is as in many ways its pretty arbitrary. Just saying it's really no more or less appropriate for them to go 3.5 over half a dozen just as logical versions they could pick.

I'm certainly not arguing but.
#7.6 Angel Blue01 on 09 Mar 2009 - 14:57
Well 2.0 was not a major change over 1.5, they could have called 1.6
(14 replies) #8 Beastage on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:56
Why not? plenty of updating to be worth 3.5...

Hell, Google went from beta to 1. with chrome without doing anything to warrant it.
#8.1 artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:58
now they are onto 2 almost 3 lol, kind of seems like they just want to catch up with version numbers, because they don't want to look dated
#8.2 thealexweb on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:04
artfuldodga said,
now they are onto 2 almost 3 lol, kind of seems like they just want to catch up with version numbers, because they don't want to look dated


Thats why Opera are coming up on 10.
#8.3 artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:09
i mean catch up with version# on browsers that people actually use
#8.4 artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:09
* double posted, sorry
#8.5 Beastage on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:19
What? Opera has been around for ages and they also actually innovated alot in the browser market.
#8.6 CalumJR on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:30
@artfuldodga and thealexweb -

Do you actually know what you are talking about? Opera has been around for ages. The 10th version is under development, so they call it Opera 10. Makes sense to me...

Also, artfuldodge, loads of people use Opera. It has a 2% market share, I think, now that may not be as many as Internet Explorer or Firefox but it's nearly the same as Safari and Chrome. It's still a lot of people.
#8.7 artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:58
not in the amount of time its been around its not, 13 years... 2%, safari a few years now and chrome, year+, the growth doesn't compare, but this isn't about market share its about version# i just didn't take Opera into account, considering the majority don't use it

Last edited by artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:08
#8.8 +Kirkburn on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:04
artfuldodga said,
not in the amount of time its been around its not, 13 years... 2%, safari a few years now and chrome, year+, the growth doesn't compare

His point is, 2% of hundreds of millions is still a lot of people.
#8.9 shakey_snake on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:31
2% is pretty generous.

it's closer to 0.71%, most of whom are probably using Opera mobile.
#8.10 z0phi3l on 06 Mar 2009 - 03:41
artfuldodga said,
not in the amount of time its been around its not, 13 years... 2%, safari a few years now and chrome, year+, the growth doesn't compare, but this isn't about market share its about version# i just didn't take Opera into account, considering the majority don't use it


Opera at first didn't get much share because it was a pay for browser, once it went free it picked up a good more users
#8.11 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 04:44
Google's about to double their share here soon enough with all the advertising they're pumping into Chrome.
#8.12 thealexweb on 06 Mar 2009 - 07:48
CalumJR said,
@artfuldodga and thealexweb -

Do you actually know what you are talking about? Opera has been around for ages. The 10th version is under development, so they call it Opera 10. Makes sense to me...

Also, artfuldodge, loads of people use Opera. It has a 2% market share, I think, now that may not be as many as Internet Explorer or Firefox but it's nearly the same as Safari and Chrome. It's still a lot of people.


Firstly it's only around 1% and secondly its been slowly falling for the past few years now.
#8.13 epple on 06 Mar 2009 - 15:15
Safari comes with all Macs AFAIK.
Chrome is pushed by Google on YouTube quite a lot.
IE comes with Windows.
Opera comes with...? And is seen advertised at...?

(talking desktop clients, not mobile)

The majority of users don't even know Opera exists, sadly.
#8.14 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 17:10
Firefox comes with? Yet it's at 20%+ I believe...

Honestly, I've never really seen a Firefox advertisement either, except when they had that ad contest or something. Though I do have Adblock so that may be the problem...
#9 artfuldodga on 05 Mar 2009 - 20:57
figured this would happen, 3.1 sounds a little off now considering the amount of time its taken... one would expect alot of positive changes, memory footprint, new js engine, fast loading even with a **** ton of extensions, i hope all of that is addressed

people that install firefox, but end up with a 10 second load time because of their config... hasn't put firefox in a good light for awhile
(4 replies) #10 Recon415 on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:13
wait...so now Minefield 3.2 is what version?
#10.1 thealexweb on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:14
Recon415 said,
wait...so now Minefield 3.2 is what version?


It will probably become 4.0
#10.2 kyller on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:17
Recon415 said,
wait...so now Minefield 3.2 is what version?

Is going to be called 3.6pre for a while... maybe in the future, it could be renamed to 4.0
#10.3 Cryton on 06 Mar 2009 - 19:01
Recon415 said,
wait...so now Minefield 3.2 is what version?

3.6a1pre
No word on what the release after 3.5 will actually be tho... could be 3.6 or 3.7 or 3.8 or 3.9 or 4.0
Any time there's a new branch cut or if a branch gets reversioned, the trunk (minefield) always gets reversioned +0.1 ... That way the bleeding edge version number is always higher, which is both logical and best for how the autoupdate system works.
#10.4 Magallanes on 06 Mar 2009 - 21:06
4.x means that many (if not all) plugins will refuse to work.
Instead 3.5 is equal that few plugins will not work.

So yes, exist a real meaning between the version number.
(8 replies) #11 zackiv31 on 05 Mar 2009 - 21:58
what're the best javascript engines out there? Safari's 4 beta has that ignition or whatever it is, that thing is FAST...

but of course looking to see this new beta
#11.1 +Kirkburn on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:06
zackiv31 said,
what're the best javascript engines out there? Safari's 4 beta has that ignition or whatever it is, that thing is FAST...

but of course looking to see this new beta

Opera, Firefox, Safari, Chrome - all are pretty fast. IE8's is a big improvement too.
#11.2 PsykX on 05 Mar 2009 - 23:57
Safari has the best JS engine. IE8 has the worst.

There were benchmark's on Apple's website about it, if you want to take a look. Or maybe you could download all of them and do the same tests to give your own opinion on each of the products
#11.3 RealFduch on 06 Mar 2009 - 00:21
PsykX said,
Safari has the best JS engine. IE8 has the worst.

There were benchmark's on Apple's website about it, if you want to take a look.

Apple is best. Even their low color monitors are "the best" according to Apple.
#11.4 sharp65 on 06 Mar 2009 - 00:24
Apple's site claimed they were the best? Huh, who would have guessed.
#11.5 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 04:46
sharp65 said,
Apple's site claimed they were the best? Huh, who would have guessed.


This.

As I've stated numerous times, even when the Windows version of Safari was in beta, they were calling it the fastest, when it was anything but...
#11.6 Jugalator on 06 Mar 2009 - 09:51
Come on guys... Safari 4 is often the best in independent tests too. You just have to Google a bit.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49301219,00.htm
#11.7 +Chipshop on 06 Mar 2009 - 10:14
Never listen to a companies own ravings about how there stuff is the best, always listen to a non-bias source if possible.
#11.8 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 17:13
I'm not saying it isn't fast, Jugalator, but he's right about them saying they're the best even when they're clearly not. If all they're going to is claim superiority, whether it's true or false, why should you take their word for it?

I simply trust the members here, who actually will test and see if it's truly everything it is cracked up to be.
#12 acido00 on 05 Mar 2009 - 22:03
I agree
#13 chAos972 on 06 Mar 2009 - 00:56
Still using 3.1 Beta 2 on my laptop for a while now because it supports multi-touch gestures - been using for the next build for weeks now. >.<
(6 replies) #14 Xenomorph on 06 Mar 2009 - 01:17
A 0.1 increase in version?

Well, they should call it Firefox 7 then.
#14.1 Raikou Tch on 06 Mar 2009 - 04:26
lol'd
#14.2 +dead.cell on 06 Mar 2009 - 04:48
By the time we get there, it should allow for mind controlled browsing, making thought gestures and navigating at impossible speeds... limited by our internet connection of course.
#14.3 sOftGuRu on 07 Mar 2009 - 00:11
cant stop laughing
#14.4 sOftGuRu on 07 Mar 2009 - 00:11
cant stop laughing
#14.5 Angel Blue01 on 09 Mar 2009 - 14:59
LOL
#14.6 Angel Blue01 on 09 Mar 2009 - 15:00
Why not? There was a rush of products taking the name "XP" when that was released, gotta keep current
(4 replies) #15 N3o_v0rT3X on 06 Mar 2009 - 02:44
I wish Mozilla would support Active X Controls, etc... that would make it one heck of a browser then... I've always used Firefox for my everyday browsing, but the Non-Active X support causes issues sometimes... would be nice if they decided to add that.

Still a wonderful product!
#15.1 nekkidtruth on 06 Mar 2009 - 03:40
I like Firefox because it DOESN'T support Active X controls without a plugin. Active X was so poorly designed and so ridiculously insecure. Any site that still uses Active X and or requires you to have Active X needs to update and remove that junk.

Microsoft really shot themselves in the foot with Active X because it was so poorly designed. Maybe it could have been great at one point, but that point has come and gone at least 5 times by now.
#15.2 z0phi3l on 06 Mar 2009 - 03:44
N3o_v0rT3X said,
I wish Mozilla would support Active X Controls, etc... that would make it one heck of a browser then... I've always used Firefox for my everyday browsing, but the Non-Active X support causes issues sometimes... would be nice if they decided to add that.

Still a wonderful product!



I Hope they NEVER support the reason so many IE users end up with viruses
Plus there's rarely a page anymore that I'll go to that requires that garbage so all in all let it die the slow painful death it deserves
#15.3 RichardK on 06 Mar 2009 - 03:50
z0phi3l said,
N3o_v0rT3X said,
I wish Mozilla would support Active X Controls, etc... that would make it one heck of a browser then... I've always used Firefox for my everyday browsing, but the Non-Active X support causes issues sometimes... would be nice if they decided to add that.

Still a wonderful product!



I Hope they NEVER support the reason so many IE users end up with viruses
Plus there's rarely a page anymore that I'll go to that requires that garbage so all in all let it die the slow painful death it deserves


I just love how many mis-informed people there are on the internet. Thanks for providing me something to laugh at this evening
#15.4 Jugalator on 06 Mar 2009 - 09:52
ActiveX is actually getting less and less used by the day, since MS themselves took a more aggressive stance against them in IE 7 and 8, disabling them by default. I expect the "worst" to be over for Firefox already, and that this will become less and less of a nuisance.
#16 Premgenius on 06 Mar 2009 - 05:55
Looking forward to this
#17 .beta on 06 Mar 2009 - 20:31
This is a big step for Mozilla.

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