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Wait until WWDC next month, then we should have a release date at last.

That'd be a release date for OS X 10.6

He said 11, not 10.6.

OS 11.. you mean XI? haha. nah people like calling it OS 'ex'. Besides SnowLeopard is supposed to be an incremental upgrade, not a major release (even though it is)

Except that, in the real world, it's really just a service pack for OS X. Ok, whatever you say!

Meh, its a little more than a service pack. These OS X "releases" have quite the UI overhaul and inclusion of new features that add enough value to justify the cost. Besides, what do they charge? $99 for these things? Thats nothing compared to MS licensing. 10.5.7 is the "service pack" release to 10.5. 10.6 is a new release of the OS.

Saying 10.6 is just the 6th 'service pack' to v10.0 doesn't do the addition of all the new features any justice. To date, the only Microsoft service pack that added new features has been SP2 to XP. The rest have been glorified patches.

Its all semantics in the end. Apple's release schedule is more frequent than MS's, and customers are happy to pay for the upgrades.

No, 10.x upgrades are all new operating systems, they always were.

Taking it from 10 to 11 would be like MS taking Windows from the NT codebase to something else, and that hasn't happened since Windows NT 3.1 in 1993 with the line that is now at Windows 7.

So OS X is actually building on a newer architecture than Windows 7, since that OS line was initiated in 2002.

This misconception is frustratingly common here on Neowin.

10.5.x is, on the other hand, the service packs you're looking for, and Apple use to release them in smaller increments, so you get more of them, and more often. We're hence now on the seventh service pack for OS X Leopard. The OS X in that name is like the NT in Windows.

Oh my...

You do realise you can buy Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade for less than the $99 you say Apple charge for OSX?

Also your point that Apple charge people on a more frequent basis for upgrades than Microsoft does not suggest anything more than Apple charge too much for small upgrades. OSX and Windows are similar in development so, its not like OSX needs more frequent updates - rather its just a great way to make money.

Ummm, do you want to rethink that statement?

You do realize that Apple didn't write the foundation of their OS, right? Apple didn't write OS X from the ground up in 2002. In fact OS X is built upon a much much older architecture than Windows. It also seems that Apple users, on occasion, like to tout the fact that it is build on a much more *mature* foundation.

I guess us Windows users just don't get it.

Anyone else picturing C_Guy, in 2016, typing, "Finally Apple is offering a major upgrade. I've been typing, 'It's just a service pack' in hundreds of Internet posts for 16 years."

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222 "Security Fixes" was a link to that page on the apple website. A lot more info is on that page.

This isn't a rumor... this is a released update to a major operating system :| If that's not news, then I don't know what is.

If you don't like it, don't read it. It's that simple.

Errm. All point updates for OSX have been featured on Neowin. I think you should stop trolling and go bye bye.

Wow. If you're frustrated then start a forum thread about it or something and try to make something constructive come from how you feel. For those of us who aren't exactly in the know on everything all the time Neowin is a great resource for news, no matter what it relates to. Do you read every single article in a newspaper or magazine? Good news outlets report a variety of news so they appeal to a wide audience, even a site called NeoWIN is varied, and that's a good thing. I like what Neowin has become over the past six years that I've been reading it and I enjoy what they post, even if I sometimes only read the headlines of articles for OS's or hardware I don't use.

Thanks for posting the news, Sam!

This is an update, and no these haven't always been news, and oh look that Zune HD coming out in June rumor has a new news article stating it was a rumor and it was not true. How hopeless, we will never learn. I read Neowin news as my only news, so I read everything and anything, but these stupid rumors and updates should be retained in the forum where they should belong.

And I try using the "Report a problem" button and nobody ever fixes the typos I report, like why do you tell us to use something you never check...

And instead of saving yourself the time of not clicking on an article you don't care about you spend 20 minutes writing this big freak out? Priorities?

This whole post is an epic fail. How is this a rumor? People are updating to it right now, Lol. Please don't troll if you can't even stay consistent at it.

What the hell? :/

If you don't like it, don't read it. Is that too complicated?

This is all the news I ever read, if it is filled with rumors about the iPhone and Zune HD, then I guess it isn't news, is it? This update should be in the forum, if you feel as though you want to be updated with this, get an RSS feed for the Apple forum of Neowin, what happened to organization where there was games news and software news, etc? This needs sorted.

And by the way, I do enjoy reading this article, but I would rather read it when I feel like getting an update on Mac OS X Leopard, but that's what the forums are for, what are they there for if not for that reason? I like getting an update on CairoShell and iATKOS sometimes, but do I want every single update about it in my main news, no, that is why I visit their website sometimes. If I feel like finding out the latest update to Mac OS X Leopard, then I'll go to the Apple forum of Neowin and find out information about it, maybe in a pinned topic. This nonsense with posting every single thing on the main news is just absurd, why don't we just stop having a BPN and carry all of Hum's news and everything on the beautiful front page.

Haha, jesus christ, what a post. This is as close as you get a service pack on the Mac, anything beyond this, and it's a new OS. :p It's a near 300 MB colossus of fixes and improvements, and it's not even a rumor. It's out.

Neowin posts about rumors, and they have done so for years, and several times before. Why you make this outburst in this article is a mystery, since you picked EXACTLY an article that isn't about a rumor.


This isn't about "every single update" - this is news about a HUGE service pack-scale update for OS X Leopard.

Blah blah blah, submit a PM to the admins if you dislike how the site is run. You, of all people, are in the completely incorrect forum to voice opinions like these. This is about OS X 10.5.7, not about how the news stories should be posted and why.

Ok, well let me refrain this sort of... It is not the idea of all articles being rumors, but the idea of unorganization. I like hearing news about new devices, an editorial, economy updates, upcoming hardware, advertising between Microsoft and Apple, etc. But when all the main news is Windows 7 builds being released which is pre-release by the way, updates for Mac OS X Leopard, rumors about the Zune HD coming out in June being false, rumors about Apple having a netbook, Apple clarifying they are not going to have a netbook, etc, it starts to get annoying. When I come across all those status updates on Apple about them building their own chips in the future and what they might do with them, and how they just ordered such and such which could lead to being in the next iPhone, I feel like I came into a world devoted to seeking updates to every little thing even if they are rumors and telling it to the world. I wish this stuff was in the forums and the news was something like engadget.com has.

You know what? He has a point. Let's stop posting when there's an update to an OS. And since an update to an OS is bigger than an update to software... let's cut software updates out of it as well. While we're at it, let's cut out all the rumors as well. Leaks fall under rumors, right? Since they can be faked?

Newsflash: technology news, at least the kind relevant to Neowin, is software updates, OS updates, rumors, leaks, and announcements. If all you want are announcements, then go check out all the press releases. In the meantime, we'll keep posting what has always been posted.

Ok, well I was being a little bit overdramatic, but I have been reading Neowin news for a very long time, it has to be something that is bugging me. And it is probably how it is the same thing being rumored all the time, there have been so many rumors about the next iPhone, it is absurd, and lets remember how we all thought the Mac Mini was gonna get an update, it never did until later on when they all did and it did not even get a new look. I think I'm just getting tired of the same old, same old... I read all these articles, and nothing really happens, and it ticks me off. All I got out of all these rumors is obviously the next iPhone is going to have a better camera, and maybe a cheaper iPhone. If there were news about other things for once and the news wasn't filled with either Microsoft or Apple, maybe I wouldn't feel like I had to have an outburst like a baby.

I'm sorry, but it's just I read the article and feel as if there was already talk about this update, and I feel it is just an update, and don't get me wrong, I have a 24" iMac and I use iATKOS from time to time, but to make an update sound like a service pack, that is just wrong. This is not a HUGE deal, this is just one of those "oo, what do we have here, an update, yay my mac is gonna be faster now, and maybe that such and such is fixed...", Windows has a couple service packs, Leopard has like what now, 7 service packs? How much servicing does it need? I want to hear about Snow Leopard more than a minor update to something that has been out for quite sometime. Then when I typed my comment, I felt Neowin had many same old rumors, so I had to get out what I had to say about that, and really I just got a little ****ed with the same old and this worthless piece of news. Sorry Neowin for my outburst, I wasn't trying to troll, I just am getting tired of waiting for new stuff to come out, hopefully news will change when the iPhone comes out *hopefully* in June, who knows, maybe a new iPod Touch will come out the month after, maybe the Zune HD and Windows 7 will finally come out soon too, and maybe news will be different and not about dumb things like how bad Twitter sucks.

I think it's just a bad time of year, honestly. No trade shows, no big keynotes coming up, just speculation.

oh god... . That sounds like one of my jokes.

edit: whoops, I meant atheist-bot.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I feel weird writing "OS 10.5.7" though, heh. I dunno, I'm kinda of pedantic... it LOOKS right, but I know it's wrong. Bah, I dunno :p

I think it went to pot when people started calling the hardware 'Mac' and the software 'OS X' and ditching the name MacOS, which would look more normal next to the longer version number: MacOS 10.5.7.

Otherwise, you're reading "OS ten ten point five..." out loud and sounding like you have a speech impediment.

I say OS X 10.5.7 just like it sounds, much easier that way.

Eh, no, 10.5.7 is the version number, not the build number. Those are two separate numbers. Like Windows XP was version 5.1, build 2600 (I think).

When it comes to Mac OS, 10 is the version number (it came after 9), and they just decided to be Apple about it and use a roman numeral. The precise version number, however, will be 10.5.7. So while we might say "OS ten" for short, when being precise, we should be saying "OS ten point five..." etc.

The name of the product is still Mac OS. X is, and has been, the version number. It is not the NAME of the product any more than 7 is the name of the new version of Windows.