Sony CEO: PlayStation 4 will be made for games and gamers first

So far, Sony has concentrated on showing off how its upcoming PlayStation 4 console handles games made for its hardware and software. That's in sharp contrast to the message that Microsoft has presented at first for its Xbox One console, which it has marketed as more of a multimedia entertainment box that happens to play games.

Microsoft has promised to concentrate on promoting the games made for the Xbox One at its E3 2013 press conference in less than two weeks. In the meantime, Sony doesn't seem to be in a rush to talk about the possible non-gaming features for the PS4. AllThingsD.com reports that, during a Q&A at the All Things Digital conference today, Sony CEO Kaz Hirai said flat out, "We take a look at this first and foremost as a game console."

He added that it was important to Sony that the PS4 reaches out to gamers first out of the gate, adding, "If we miss that part then I don’t think we get the initial establishment of the console." However, he hinted that more non-gaming entertainment features will be revealed for the PS4 "in the coming months."

This move on Sony's part is basically the same angle it took when it first introduced the PS3 in 2006, as it also focused on games first and then later added support for streaming video apps and downloadable movies and TV shows in the PlayStation Store. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft or Sony's marketing approach for their next generation consoles will succeed.

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After reading through some of these comments, its funny to see how Sony's release has been 'tweaked' a little.
They only said 'first and foremost' and not 'Only', with regard to the PS4 being a console for gamers.
Also anything can be coded for a particular piece of hardware, whether it be a game or a file manager.
Console efficiency or Code efficiency? Hopefully both but certainly the latter!

It will be interesting if Microsoft aggressively markets against the PS4... eg "I'm a PlayStation, I can't make international video calls"

The problem with Sony's approach is that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 were used as Entertainment devices first and for gaming second. Almost everyone I know that has a PS3 bought it as the best Blu Ray player at the time. Some of them also bought games now and then but it was primarily an entertainment device.

Same with Xbox, almost everyone I know uses it more to watch TV and Movies than play games. They do play games but that isn't where most of their time is spent.

There are legitimate reasons for these trends too. There is relevant TV/Movies content almost daily but there are only a handful of games that appeal to large audiences every year. Second, TV/Movies can be enjoyed by the whole family where gaming for the most part is either played by an individual or against people in other places. Even party games like Dance Central usually end up with people being left out.

"putting games first" means we don't have **** to offer besides gaming,and sadly for sony, if youre only relying on the gamers who make noise on the internet to succeed, you are going to be in very big trouble.

Let's hope the Marketplace UI isn't as clunky and slow like it is on PS3. Thinking that Sony is solely focusing on gamers is complete and utter trash. Owning a PS3, I know it mimics everything the Xbox does in functionality. While there efforts are decent, things do not flow as well, not to mention its still missing cross game and party chat after 7 years.

Sony may be making a more powerful console, but is that console efficient? You can have the best ram ever, but if there are too many bottlenecks then that point is moot. Either way, I may own both, but for Sony to sit there and say they are focusing only on gamers, then they should remove all the entertainment apps they have on their platform. Since gamers only want games and all.

I also love how most "gamers" dog on the Kinect, while Sony is clearly focusing on using their camera for similar ventures. Even the controller has a move light on it.

Cross game/party chat was impossible to do on PS3 due to the limitations of the system. PS4 will have way more RAM dedicated to the OS so that they can implement all those features right the first time.

I'm still about PS4 more than the XO....and if it puts games first even better. I think with the way things are now - a lot of the new TVs and peripheral devices can do a lot of the media and streaming. Just look at the Smart TVs out there - more features and refinements will be continually done that further enhances what current PS and Xbox can do from a media perspective. I no longer need a console that can stream stuff when my TV can do the same and is probably the one I will use first and more often when I do decide to.

-"the next generation doesn't start until we say it does" -sony
"we outsold sony" -nintendo

so in other words, this will be the last sony console. as the console market shrinks and mobile devices become the primary gaming medium, 2007 inspired consoles like the PS4 will be left in the dust.

It's not like Sony didn't try and focus on non gaming or casual gaming things it's just those non gaming\casual things failed horribly for them.

Move
Wonderbook
PSeye
Home
Sixaxis

All of these are horrible failures,

Sony's last card is to try and suck up to gamers even though the PS4 will most likely have the same type of DRM Xboxone is going to have. Sony fans are completely brain washed so of course they will be happy with anything Sony does.

Edited by swanlee, May 31 2013, 12:24pm :

swanlee said,
Sony's last card is to try and suck up to gamers even though the PS4 will most likely have the same type of DRM Xboxone is going to have. Sony fans are completely brain washed so of course they will be happy with anything Sony does.

While I wouldn't call myself a fan of the xbox, I do own one and when I originally got it I couldn't careless about the Playstation 3's bluray play back, or any other feature that they had over the 360. My primary choice was gaming, on *shrug* a gaming console.

Right now, from the what Microsoft are saying, it's going to be just as much aboutTV, Movie streaming as it is games. If the last Dashboard overhaul on the 360 is anything to go by and the few clips I've seen of the X1 dashboard, the advert infested system trying to self promote videos and tv shows isn't something I'm being attracted to. Where as right now, the PS4 is geared to wards playing games, and that's attractive to me.. and keep in mine I'm a '360 fan'... actually, I'm a pretty big Microsoft fan, early Windows phone and Windows 8 adopter.

So yeah, unless Microsoft come out and say all their games support keyboard and mouse or Sony really goes crazy with DRM restrictions or something stupid then my next console will be a PS4... But I might not even bother since for the first couple of years the consoles should be able to keep up with the PC hardware.

The thing is in 2013 , 2014 and future just about every game made will be on both consoles just like it is now . So if Microsoft announces a game just remember they just announced it for ps4 at the same time . A few a very small few do not make it on both consoles that is nothing new bug it comes down to what hardware you like the best.

Sony took a games first approach last with the PS3 and it turned out to be the best media device on the market on top of that...I think we are in safe hands. Sony knows home entertainment.

I remember when Sony sold the PS3 as a home entertainment instead of a console but they learned from this mistake.

IMHO, a console should be (and mainly) a console for play games. In fact, most people already have a media center or a cable box or a satellite box that pretty much do a lot of stuff. In my case, i have a basic subscription and i can watch tv using the interactive guide, i even can buy movies (or watch free movies) and play it interactively. In fact, i can even play games (some lousy games) and it is the basic plan.
Even some newest tv includes "smart" tv.

Yes but the Xbox one is innovative, different, better developed, more advance and offers much needed features to make it a true all in one home entertainment device.

I will being buying the all in one device just because the multitasking feature. Nothing like this has even been made and marketed this well before. That is why the Xbox one and possibly the ps4 (not enough info revealed) will make great sales because they are marketed as a all in one living room device.

The current gen consoles got consumers hooked on multimedia consoles and now the next gen market is ready for a further advance multimedia console.

Also The PS3 sales numbers absolutely suck compared to the PS2. The Xbox 360 has been beating the PS3 in sales for months, years; I believe. Its outdated hardware, next-gen sales are what counts now.

also Wii u, lol...

So Sony went for games first, media later while Microsoft went games and media at the same time.

I think at this point it will be who markets their device better translated to who knows their audience better. I think Microsoft has the harder task as it will be pondering towards two groups (games first media second group and media first games second group) while Sony only has to deal with one group (games first media second group).

It seems Sony took the more traditional safe route here. their not pushing the boundaries of a console (just a little iteration). Their whole ps line has been about games first. So what's different? Nothing I can see so far. I can admit they've tried a few things like PSHome but I just haven't seen anything ground breaking out if Sony, and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

Microsoft on the other hand has been pushing things. They pushed Xbox live with the original Xbox (a lot of people were skeptical of it but it proved a very good investment). with the Xbox 360 Microsoft expanded on that and added media capabilities which proved to be also good investments). Now with the Xbox One Microsoft places both media and games as first class citizens and multitasking. so now we're doing things with our consoles that wasn't even possible before.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The general consensus between my friends and family here is that they'll be getting an Xbox One, which will be good because then we can all game together. Of course this may change entirely before release date, just have to wait and see!

Wow, there's quite a bit of hostility here, maybe I didn't read the article correctly but they way it's being torn into you'd think the console wasn't up for the job it was intended for...

Dushmany said,
Wow, there's quite a bit of hostility here, maybe I didn't read the article correctly but they way it's being torn into you'd think the console wasn't up for the job it was intended for...

What do you expect? This is a Microsoft/Windows user site and forum, after all. Anything that is not MS and is competing with MS gets a lot of hostility and hatred here.

Anyway, I have already chosen: PS4 for me. Why? Because I simply love the Uncharted games series. It's the best games I have ever played. Will it hit the XboxOne? Nope. Will it it the PS4? Yep!

The Xbox360 exclusive games aren't really all that interesting for me, while the PS3 exclusive games has been. The games decide - not who made the console or what it's called.

bidz said,
The games decide - not who made the console or what it's called.

That's exactly why I'm getting an Xbox One. No other system gets Halo and that series is awesome, imo.

kaotic said,

That's exactly why I'm getting an Xbox One. No other system gets Halo and that series is awesome, imo.

Really?
PS4 gets the game made by the people who created Halo, Xbox gets the game of the same name made by the team brought in after they walked out.

You really think they'll hold a candle to Bungie just because of the name of the series?

Derges said,

PS4 gets the game made by the people who created Halo

I think you need to reconsider your argument. You are confusing launch titles with exclusives.

Bungie's Destiny is coming out for PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One. They have also made it clear in the past few weeks that there is a 99% chance that it will be a Windows title.

bidz said,

The Xbox360 exclusive games aren't really all that interesting for me, while the PS3 exclusive games has been. The games decide - not who made the console or what it's called.

The 15 Xbox one launch titles haven't even been revealed so your argument is invalid.

Also you sound like a fanboy yourself, hypocrite.

Derges said,

Really?
PS4 gets the game made by the people who created Halo, Xbox gets the game of the same name made by the team brought in after they walked out.

You really think they'll hold a candle to Bungie just because of the name of the series?

Yeah, actually I do. Halo 4 had a freaking amazing story line. I think 343 will do a fantastic job with the next two games. Btw, Destiny will be on the Xbox and probably PC, it's not PS4 exclusive.

kaotic said,

Yeah, actually I do. Halo 4 had a freaking amazing story line. I think 343 will do a fantastic job with the next two games. Btw, Destiny will be on the Xbox and probably PC, it's not PS4 exclusive.

I agree. Also I enjoyed and thought Halo 4 was better than Halo Reach in every single way. Bungie wasn't pushing the boundaries enough and look how well received Halo is now with out them. 343 surprised me and now I'm glade they are making the next Halo. I think people give Bungie to much credit.

Roughly translated as "Sh** we forgot media capabilities!".

Nah, i jest. I'm really excited to see what both companies come up with for the next gen of consoles, after all competition drives innovation and brings down prices. However, i may be a gamer, but i also consume plenty of media and for that reason alone, the Xbox One has my vote so far.

I hate the way the current Xbox required Live Gold to stream services that your already paying for. For me this is the Achilles heal and the only reason I prefer the PS3 for media streaming.

The Xbox will no doubt be the better console. I just wish they would drop the subscription crap. It won't happen though, I bet they are making a fortune from Live Gold.

I'm one of those people that don't mind paying for the service, however i can see why some people might have a problem with it.

The way i see it, i pay for the internet as a service but still have to pay to watch films on Netflix, just as i pay for XBL and still have to pay for extras. The unfortunate truth is the level of service just warrants a fee. Especially if they're adding an extra 300,000 servers.

Would you pay for XBL if you only needed it to be able to steam from Lovefilm/Netflix when you can stream them for free off the PS3 in another room? Personally I don't and thats why my Xbox see's no love

SK[ said,]Would you pay for XBL if you only needed it to be able to steam from Lovefilm/Netflix when you can stream them for free off the PS3 in another room? Personally I don't and thats why my Xbox see's no love

Nah, i absolutely wouldn't. And i do see your point.

Who can set the price right will probably determine how much effort you want your consumer to buy the console and very unique exclusive games. No hassle dealing with DRM Or Constant Online stuff will get my business. The Xbox One reminiscent a little of the PS2 design when view it as horizontal.

So far, the KINECT 2 looks more promising than the PS4 motion eye. PS4 really need to show more potential and convince that it's as good as the KINECT 2.

They made a console that plays games for gamers... Well, Microsoft made a console that plays games for gamers, and does lot of other things that will interest a lot people. I already know people who are excited for the entertainment part of the console.

I'm pretty sure they said it will launch with functioning set top functions in 41 countries.
The Tv servicing providers might not be jumping on the band wagon... but Microsoft is negotiating with them. Wait till its confirmed at launch and you probably be all set.

DPyro said,
Other than America the TV features are useless in other countries.

Blatant troll comment. Not true. Microsoft have already stated publicly they are working to bring the TV functionality to all regions where the X1 will be sold.

TCLN Ryster said,

Blatant troll comment. Not true. Microsoft have already stated publicly they are working to bring the TV functionality to all regions where the X1 will be sold.

A global press release sent out heralding the announcement of the Xbox One has a few small details hidden within it. First off: all that TV stuff Microsoft were proud to show off in its conference? You actually need to buy a separate device in order for that to work. Second? Most of it will only be available in the US at launch, and Microsoft currently has no fixed schedule for the global roll out and only commits to “global scale over time”.

Specifically, the press release states, in the small print that…

At launch, Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output (sold separately).

DPyro said,

You actually need to buy a separate device in order for that to work. Second? Most of it will only be available in the US at launch, At launch, Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output (sold separately).

Modern cable/satellite boxes should already have a HDMI output, If yours doesn't that is your TV service providers fault; not Microsoft's. HDMI is a standard now, if you call them they would probably upgrade you for free. Also don't believe everything you read, the launch is months away and anything could change.

Sony has their work cut out for them until Microsoft can clear their name really. All they have to do is keep on with the direction they're heading, and success will be ensured.

To be quite frank, I've never thought Sony to be "with it", let alone be in touch with their audience, but I really think they've done well to clear their name over the years. Their jokes regarding DRM and such have been pretty spot on; however, that could easily backfire if they reveal themselves out to be awful EA men in disguise.

I think it's best that we don't put to much faith in these companies though. I'm pretty sure we all expected Microsoft to nail Sony to the wall after all. Sony could just as easily slip up.

I don't know why but some people seem to think that if a product has another purpose, it takes away from its primary function. That's what people seem to think about the Xbox One. What I care about is the games, the hardware specs, and developer support. If I really like Microsoft's exclusives, then I'll go with that. If I prefer a more powerful console for better-looking exclusives, then I'll go with that. I owned a PS2 before my Xbox 360 so I won't let brand loyalty get in the way of my enjoyment.

Anaron said,
I don't know why but some people seem to think that if a product has another purpose, it takes away from its primary function. That's what people seem to think about the Xbox One. What I care about is the games, the hardware specs, and developer support. If I really like Microsoft's exclusives, then I'll go with that. If I prefer a more powerful console for better-looking exclusives, then I'll go with that. I owned a PS2 before my Xbox 360 so I won't let brand loyalty get in the way of my enjoyment.

Is the Swiss army knife as good as a proper screwdriver in every situation? Sure, in most situations it's just as good, but always?

If you put the same limitations on price, size and power consumption, two consoles cannot do gaming equally good if one of them adds additional features. In this case Microsoft has chosen to use a less powerful APU than Sony. This probably reduces the costs, meaning they have more budget to spend on the other features. But it has taken something away from gaming.

Lamp Post said,

Is the Swiss army knife as good as a proper screwdriver in every situation?

Your analogy does not work, because this is not the way computing devices work. If it were so, the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox one, and all operating systems for all forms of computing devices are flawed because they perform more than one task.

You're argument is like me saying that I hate all consoles and wish we'd go back to arcade cabinets filled with less than 2 games.

The more a developer can write software for a platform, the richer that platform will become. In this case, the Xbox One most likely will be a far richer platform, especially if they open up the consoles Hyper-V virtualization layer to executing other operating systems running off USB (which could be a much better option than the PS3's now mostly dead “Other OS” feature that was nuked by firmware update).

Lamp Post said,

Is the Swiss army knife as good as a proper screwdriver in every situation? Sure, in most situations it's just as good, but always?

If you put the same limitations on price, size and power consumption, two consoles cannot do gaming equally good if one of them adds additional features. In this case Microsoft has chosen to use a less powerful APU than Sony. This probably reduces the costs, meaning they have more budget to spend on the other features. But it has taken something away from gaming.

I don't think that's an accurate analogy because the outward appearance of a console doesn't change in terms of its functional capability. Sony opted for a more powerful console for gaming but Microsoft opted for a less powerful SoC but with 32 MB of eSRAM. In addition, every Xbox One will be bundled with a Kinect.

All we know right now is that the PS4 is more powerful. We don't know the benefits or drawbacks of having Kinect bundled with every Xbox One, we don't know how much of a performance boost the eSRAM will give the Xbox One, and we also don't know which API will be better for developers (DirectX11.1 or OpenGL 4.2). The next-gen consoles are more similar than their previous-gen counterparts but there are still some slight differences. We can't directly compare the raw specs to get an accurate picture of things in the same way we can with gaming PCs (that have similar specs). However, we can get a general idea that the PS4 will have better-looking exclusives and possibly even better-running multiplatform games.

Edited by Yusuf M., May 31 2013, 8:41pm :

LOL

smart guy, but I won't care much what he says till I see the games.

the internet is complaining, for whatever reason, that the xbox is not only for gamers. Perfect moment for this guy to come out swinging with this retort. Bravo, lets see who gets strung along.

At the moment, 360 and PS3 games are very similar and PC versions look a little better. Part of me wonders if the PS4 versions of games will have one or two more graphical features over the Xbox One versions, similar to how PC versions do nowadays, because it's got more power under the hood. Not that there will be much of a difference, since developers develop the games similar on all platforms to save costs; but maybe the PS4 version will have maybe more AA or a slightly highly resolution or something, and then the PC versions expands further on the graphical capabilities as it often does now (if developers bother).

that's exactly what they said about the PS3... and back then many more developers were PS-exclusive or at least PS-first

it could happen of course (i think it depends on how easy to implement a plus feature with the developer tools sony provides for the console - if easy some developers will bother, if not, well... they won't) but i very much doubt it that any difference would be more than food to some fanboys

Well, I would expect the game engines to be developed with a full feature set, and each device will disable features as necessary for performance. Just like how you can scale down the settings in a PC game based on how powerful your PC is.

wow sony is so desperate it's disturbing.

sony statement is like:"the Swiss knife is not a screwdriver, it has multiple functions, so it must be less effective."

XO would be perfect for gamers who play games, it's just have more functions.

to claim it will cripple the gaming experience, is lame and misleading assumption, just poor comment.

I like that you bring up a Swiss knife (as in a Swiss army knife, right?). Never do I find much use in them compared to a real knife. Well, except maybe the toothpick part...

dead.cell said,
I like that you bring up a Swiss knife (as in a Swiss army knife, right?). Never do I find much use in them compared to a real knife. Well, except maybe the toothpick part...

The cork screw and scissors for me.....it beats walking around with in my pockets

R1pper said,
wow sony is so desperate it's disturbing.

sony statement is like:"the Swiss knife is not a screwdriver, it has multiple functions, so it must be less effective."

XO would be perfect for gamers who play games, it's just have more functions.

to claim it will cripple the gaming experience, is lame and misleading assumption, just poor comment.


A proper screwdriver often has the benefit of being able to use multiple "heads", so you can just change shape and form. It's also slightly easier to reach hard-to-reach spots because it's longer.

On the other hand, it's larger and less portable. And doesn't help you if you need another tool than a screwdriver.

While I have been using a Swiss army knife for all my screwdriver needs for a long time, I eventually found that I had to get a proper one when the knife just wasn't good enough to fasten the TV stand (because of the deep screw holes).

So, I'd say having multiple functions will reduce the quality of each function unless they put no limits on the price, power consumption etc. Just like how the Swiss army knife is limited as a screwdriver because of the size constraint.

Lamp Post said,

A proper screwdriver often has the benefit of being able to use multiple "heads", so you can just change shape and form. It's also slightly easier to reach hard-to-reach spots because it's longer.

On the other hand, it's larger and less portable. And doesn't help you if you need another tool than a screwdriver.

While I have been using a Swiss army knife for all my screwdriver needs for a long time, I eventually found that I had to get a proper one when the knife just wasn't good enough to fasten the TV stand (because of the deep screw holes).

So, I'd say having multiple functions will reduce the quality of each function unless they put no limits on the price, power consumption etc. Just like how the Swiss army knife is limited as a screwdriver because of the size constraint.


there comes a point where analogies stop working, you went well past it

duddit2 said,

there comes a point where analogies stop working, you went well past it

The point I was trying to make was that you put constraints on a product. Say you don't charge more than $300 for each console, then you have to work within that budget, and each feature you add is an additional cost. Meaning you have less budget for other features.

i dont really get all the idiots who whine about the xbox one conference... microsoft made a console which is NOT just for gamers and held a conference SEPARATE from E3 (which is all about games) to promote the new functions of the console

so it is still about games, just not ONLY about games

morden said,
i dont really get all the idiots who whine about the xbox one conference... microsoft made a console which is NOT just for gamers and held a conference SEPARATE from E3 (which is all about games) to promote the new functions of the console

so it is still about games, just not ONLY about games

Sony tried the same, a console of all trades, master of none and failed. Sony already learned the lesson : people want a console, not a media home center

Brony said,

Sony tried the same, a console of all trades, master of none and failed. Sony already learned the lesson : people want a console, not a media home center


Which of their consoles do you refer to then?

morden said,
i dont really get all the idiots who whine about the xbox one conference...

As long as you are not one of the "idiots" who laughed at Sony press conference i can see your point and actually agree with it.

Brony said,

Sony tried the same, a console of all trades, master of none and failed. Sony already learned the lesson : people want a console, not a media home center

User statistic actually shows that people want both an entertainment device as well as a gaming device.

And the XO isn't skimping on the gaming part, it still has an OS that is dedicated to gaming. Sony on the other hand will have to have one OS run both games and media content.

LaP said,

As long as you are not one of the "idiots" who laughed at Sony press conference i can see your point and actually agree with it.

The Sony PS4 press event was terrible, They where so worried about having their event earlier than Microsoft, the planning just hit a wall and it was un-eventful, boring and badly coordinated. seriously no reveal or info till E3.... dumb.

I feel uninformed about the ps4 so far and I have to reason to want it. It might be a really good console but we don't know enough about the console to judge it. I know enough about the xbox and I want it. More info was released than not about the Xbox.
Sony is off to a bad start with a good console. Live up to the PS2 numbers....

tytytucke said,

The Sony PS4 press event was terrible,

The XBox One press event was terrible too unless you want to buy a digital media receiver instead of a gaming console.

LaP said,

The XBox One press event was terrible too unless you want to buy a digital media receiver instead of a gaming console.

What your saying is the event was bad because you don't like the console. There is no logic in that.

Brony said,

Sony tried the same, a console of all trades, master of none and failed. Sony already learned the lesson : people want a console, not a media home center

I'm quite happy with my 360 doing both very well.

tytytucke said,

What your saying is the event was bad because you don't like the console. There is no logic in that.

There's no more logic in saying the PS4 event was bad cause you did not like the game. That's your own opinion of the demos shown.

The matter of the fact is both press event was pretty bad. I think most people agree with that. BTW i don't own a PS3 and did not own a PS2 either.

LaP said,

There's no more logic in saying the PS4 event was bad cause you did not like the game. That's your own opinion of the demos shown.

The matter of the fact is both press event was pretty bad. I think most people agree with that. BTW i don't own a PS3 and did not own a PS2 either.

Did you fail to read my above statement first? here I'll post it again for you below.

The ps4 event was generally far worse than Xbox one event. I couldn't even watch the event because of the bad audio and it was very boring. They didn't even give me any info about the console which is the reason I watched it in the first place. For the internet viewers of the ps4 event streaming live they had to deal with streaming issues as well; lag, choppy video, low quality, and disconnects.

tytytucke said,
The Sony PS4 press event was terrible, They were so worried about having their event earlier than Microsoft, the planning just hit a wall and it was un-eventful, boring and badly coordinated. seriously no reveal or info till E3.... dumb.

I feel uninformed about the ps4 so far and I have to reason to want it. It might be a really good console but we don't know enough about the console to judge it. I know enough about the xbox and I want it. More info was released than not about the Xbox.
Sony is off to a bad start with a good console. Live up to the PS2 numbers....

Its nice to make a console for gamers and gamers first..

But when the games are made for another console first, that's where the value is..

brent3000 said,
Its nice to make a console for gamers and gamers first..

But when the games are made for another console first, that's where the value is..


I am a gamer and the games Sony showed for PS4 sucked (Knack, Killzone crap, more Infamous, some boring looking puzzle game, a puppeteer game). That conference sucked and it was like 3 hours. And their controller looks like cheap garbage next to the new Xbox controller. Sony's games are such generic crap, they never know when to kill a failed franchise. They probably want to make more Sly Cooper games and Playstation All Stars 2. I feel like Sony contributes nothing to the game industry. Valve is much better than Sony.

Once you hold the PS4 controller, you will realise how good it is.

I'd argue the Xbox 360 & X1 controller are still more comfortable to hold thanks to the ergonomics.

The PS4 controller looks like an overexpensive gimmick controller with useless features, like the light and the way too small touchpad. I'd rather have the feedback in the triggers as that can really enhance gameplay.

Gamers (the so-called hardcore) are also a small percentage of the crowd the Xbox One will appease to. The market is changing drastically and I think MS has made a better adaptation to that change.

Avatar Roku said,

I am a gamer and the games Sony showed for PS4 sucked (Knack, Killzone crap, more Infamous, some boring looking puzzle game, a puppeteer game). That conference sucked and it was like 3 hours. And their controller looks like cheap garbage next to the new Xbox controller. Sony's games are such generic crap, they never know when to kill a failed franchise. They probably want to make more Sly Cooper games and Playstation All Stars 2. I feel like Sony contributes nothing to the game industry. Valve is much better than Sony.

This has to be a joke post... right?

Steve121178 said,
Once you hold the PS4 controller, you will realise how good it is.

I'd argue the Xbox 360 & X1 controller are still more comfortable to hold thanks to the ergonomics.


The controller makes a console good or bad...?
Plus you haven't held it, for all you know it could be made from ash

Avatar Roku said,

I am a gamer and the games Sony showed for PS4 sucked (Knack, Killzone crap, more Infamous, some boring looking puzzle game, a puppeteer game). That conference sucked and it was like 3 hours. And their controller looks like cheap garbage next to the new Xbox controller. Sony's games are such generic crap, they never know when to kill a failed franchise. They probably want to make more Sly Cooper games and Playstation All Stars 2. I feel like Sony contributes nothing to the game industry. Valve is much better than Sony.

Back into your cave troll. No point rebuking anything there, its blatant flame bait!
That or there is some butthurt XBone fanboys lurking around here....

Brony said,

My bet, he is a counter strike or halo fans.

You surely meant Call of Duty fans right?

One thing need to be said here. Do not mistake a real Call of Duty fan (a fan of the original outstanding and excellent PC game) to one of those console CoD fans.

They are 2 very different human being.

n_K said,

The controller makes a console good or bad...?
Plus you haven't held it, for all you know it could be made from ash

Yes it is. This said the PS4 controller looks fine to me and way better than previous version of the Dual Shock. It is improved in many ways.

The controller makes a console playable. If PS had the Xbox Controller I would have stayed with it. As it is, I may repurchase a PS3 instead of going to the next gen for a couple years and pay the $60 tax for the adapter to use an Xbox wireless controller with it. I think I'd rather play all the Naughty Dog games, Last of Us, and get WipeoutHD (well, redownload it) all at a discount.

Not happy to have let my Gold lapse and not be able to watch Netflix. That has stuck with me. I also hate FPS' so ... I would miss GeoW but the last 2 haven't been great IMO, and I never like Halo. So we'll see.

The XBL service is better overall, but it amounts to double taxation in many cases. I also don't want to have to deal with 2 pieces (main box and Kinect) as well as the DRM and fees (Used games aren't an issue for me but I won't support the fees on principle. It's a terrible money grab and a bad precedent.)

n_K said,

The controller makes a console good or bad...?
Plus you haven't held it, for all you know it could be made from ash

Avatar Roku said,

I am a gamer and the games Sony showed for PS4 sucked (Knack, Killzone crap, more Infamous, some boring looking puzzle game, a puppeteer game). That conference sucked and it was like 3 hours. And their controller looks like cheap garbage next to the new Xbox controller. Sony's games are such generic crap, they never know when to kill a failed franchise. They probably want to make more Sly Cooper games and Playstation All Stars 2. I feel like Sony contributes nothing to the game industry. Valve is much better than Sony.

I've read some hate posts in my time here but this is taking the trophy. Lol. What a stupid and fanboy-infused post. Either brilliantly humorous or sadly real.