Sony Gives Blu-Ray Discs for Free: Blu-Ray Outsells HD DVD

According to a study by market tracking agency Nielsen VideoScan, Blu-ray movie sales have surpassed HD DVD movies sales in the USA thanks to Sony bundling some PlayStation 3 game machines with a BD movie and a voucher for another Blu-ray disc. Several hundred of thousands of Blu-ray movies were purchased for free during the PS3 launch. The war for DVD's successor rages on: Blu-ray offers larger storage space for content while HD DVD drives and discs are easier and cheaper to produce.

The market research report claims that the numbers for the week ending January 7th demonstrate that for every 47.14 HD DVD movies sold, there are 100 Blu-ray movies sold while PSX Extreme web-site claims that during the following week, ending January 14th, the amount of HD DVDs sold would be 38.36 for every 100 Blu-ray discs sold. This is not breathtaking news if one believes 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, a studio that exclusively supports Blu-ray format; Blu-ray discs started to outsell HD DVDs in late December and by early January there were 3.5 BDs sold on every single HD DVD movie.

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LOL. I love the comments. Now those arrogant HD-DVD fans can actually be quiet. So much of invalid arguments.

Here's my proof this article is bunk (and you HD DVD folks can stew in your own venom):

A Nielsen VideoScan spokesperson confirmed to BetaNews this afternoon that her firm tracks point-of-sale data where the customer makes the exclusive decision to purchase discs. So the firm's data excludes bundle deals, such as copies of the Wil Farrell comedy Talladega Nights bundled with PS3s.

http://www.betanews.com/article/PS3_Effect...ales/1170704837


Hahaha! HD DVD Promotions group (ministry of propaganda) caught!

http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/list.html

Just shows you how desperate the HD DVD group is that they have to issue an apology for lying about upcoming titles.

"Once Blu-Ray gets widely adopted, the prices will come down in a hurry"

How quickly exactly do you think those two things would happen?

DVDs are dirt cheap now and they came out in like what, 1998?

So yeah. Your argument works in about 2010 at the least

Yep, Blu-ray is going to win this race, thank goodness. Only idiots would hope for HD-DVD to win. It's inferior in every way, except for price, and once Blu-ray gets widely adopted, the prices will come down in a hurry, so price is a poor argument.

I'm glad to see this.. and even more happy I've already got a player for these discs. Rented a few through Blockbuster and even bought some also. I'm very please with the quality to say the least. Keep 'em coming!

HD-DVD? Blu-ray? I don't care because I have DVDs now. I am happy watching movies on DVD. I have also seen movies in HD. The extra quality is not worth me paying for a new player and re-paying for all my movies on a new format. I'll stick with DVDs and laugh at you all

OK. Seriously, HD DVD fans here, stop being so stubborn and live with it. Blu-ray is winning.

At the start, HD-DVD was winning by a huge percetage, but by a low margin. That's when Blu-Ray Disc was not even properly launched at all. There was only a Samsung player available and 50GB wasn't finished yet.

Then 50GB was done, Sony released their player, the sales start to climb up, but was still below HD-DVD. You HD-DVD fans were all "see? Blu-ray is gonna lose". I wasn't sure at all as that was just the start. Besides, Blu-ray had more potential. More studio supports, more capacity, and actually more comapnies in the camp. I thought that the Blu-ray will win eventually and I was looking on a long run, unlike some short-sighted HD-DVD fans around.

It was slow catching up and I began to think maybe I was wrong.

Well, It seems I'm correct by now. Blu-ray has exceeded in both movie titles and overall sales. It is clear that Blu-ray is winning, just how long it will take to win.

I cannot still see why some HD-DVD fans are so... stubborn and bias here and when will you guys admit that HD-DVD is losing.

Blu-ray is a superior format hardware wise. Yeah, say all the crap about the formatting and how Blu-ray doesn't use the extra space for better movie quality, the consumers can barely see any difference.

51GB Triple Layer > 50GB Double Layer???? Wow. That makes damn lot of sense.

I just can't wait for this to be over so that people can actually buy a format now without the fear that the format will lose.

For all you HD-DVD people. Go to the AVS forums and read about how many people are buying PS3 systms soley for Blu-Ray. So to say that Blu-Ray sales are inflated because PS3 sales are only for gaming is wrong. I purchased a PS3 just for Blu-Ray. It has 1080P, HDMI 1.3, 7.1 looseless sound and can be upgraded with firmaware releases. All this for the price of $499 for the 20 gig and $599 for the 60 gig version. To get 1080P from HD-DVD you have to pay Toshiba crazy price. Only those inferior 1080I units are cheaper.

Oh, btw it can be used as a gaming console too..............lol. I am not interested in buying movies. I use Netflix and watch all the Blu-Ray movies I want for a cheap monthly price.

Maybe I am wrong....

But here is what I think, most of the people watching a movie or doing whatever with HD-DVD / Blu-Rays dont know a clue what you all have said here (its just becouse YOU know doest makes it a common sense thing?)

I think most will go for HD-DVD because of its name more than anything it has "DVD" in its name and most people have been using first 'CD' then 'DVD' so (assumption) they will most probably go for 'HD-DVD' as they would be comfartable with it more than 'Blue-Ray'

Blue ray only sold so much becouse of the rebate offer I think... what I think they will both go on just like 'apple'
and 'microsoft' (I know they are BIG companies) 'HD-DVD' will go for its cheapness and 'Blu-Ray' for its SPACE... you prefer a MAC or a PC, its your choice

Blu-Ray is beating HD-DVD 2 to 1

Buy a Blu-Ray movie/PS3 and get a voucher for a free Blu-Ray movie

Now how are they actually beating them by 2 to 1 when half of the total for that number 2 would be free movies?

More people may have more Blu-Ray movies compared to HD DVD movies, but only because they got half of them for free.

I don't see how Blu-Ray wins and don't come and reply to me with a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo that means nothing to any of this.

They're in the lead simply because they're giving out all those free movies.

If they weren't giving out all these free movies they'd most likely be even.

Yes, but Sony ARE giving out free discs and vouchers, Toshiba aren't. Sony right now are doing a better job of getting their format noticed it seems, from these free discs and the greater number of Blu-Ray adverts you see around.

I think Toshiba maybe hoping that the "DVD" in their product name is enough to drive people from DVD to HD-DVD. But really its just a name, "Blu-Ray" can easily become the next "DVD" with the right marketing.

phatfish said,
Yes, but Sony ARE giving out free discs and vouchers, Toshiba aren't.

Nope!

Article:
http://www.fstop-blues.com/2007/01/buy-2nd...iba-hd-dvd.html

Coupon:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/pdf/rebates/12370.pdf (caution Adobe PDF)

Buy any Toshiba HD DVD player and choose any 3 HD DVD discs free.

A lot of folks confuse HD DVD with HDMI upconverting DVD players.
They *know* Blu-ray is a new Hi Definition format.

It also helps that there is cool Blu-ray advertising on the "Cars" and "Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest" DVDs.

This article completely gets it wrong.

Pack ins are not included as sales.

There is no giveaways, it's a $10 rebate on select titles

http://www.bluraymovierebate.com/ps_movies.html

Sales trends from Amazon show BD taking a commanding lead.
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

"Casino Royale" is the highest selling HiDef title EVER on Amazon: by the way, it's Blu-ray exclusive.

DVD Empire lists actual sales.
Blu-ray HD DVD
Week: 66.67% 33.33%
Month: 69.93% 30.07%
Year: 57.79% 42.21%

Video Business shows for BD sales leading 62% to 38% over HD DVD. The lead increases every week since mid December. These are actual sales numbers provided by retailers.

Compare release schedules:
HD DVD:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
Blu-ray:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

Which one has more upcoming titles? Hint, it ain't HD DVD.
SOFTWARE SELLS HARDWARE

HD DVD hasn't been out a year and it's already dead man walking.

Again with your BS. STOP POSTING CRAP AND LIES ABOUT BLU-RAY.

First of all if you are illiterate enough to REALIZE, Blu-Ray REBATE IS a giveaway. You buy a PS3, get a rebate, you submit a rebate to Sony and you get a free Blu-Ray disk. AND YES, they count it as sale!

You are just so into defending a format that is going down and constantly pays others to post completely false and exaggerated press releases. Not only that, but you are posting one company and it's sales volumes that has no objective effect at all. If one company is selling more of Blu-Ray disks that doesn't mean that Blu-Ray SOLD overall more disks.

Do you have Blu-Ray AT ALL?!. Have you been to the store, just look around you, it's absolutely not the way Sony is preaching. God you are such a Sony fanboy suckup. Seriously.

Boz said,
Again with your BS. STOP POSTING CRAP AND LIES ABOUT BLU-RAY.

First of all if you are illiterate enough to REALIZE, Blu-Ray REBATE IS a giveaway. You buy a PS3, get a rebate, you submit a rebate to Sony and you get a free Blu-Ray disk. AND YES, they count it as sale!

You are just so into defending a format that is going down and constantly pays others to post completely false and exaggerated press releases. Not only that, but you are posting one company and it's sales volumes that has no objective effect at all. If one company is selling more of Blu-Ray disks that doesn't mean that Blu-Ray SOLD overall more disks.

Do you have Blu-Ray AT ALL?!. Have you been to the store, just look around you, it's absolutely not the way Sony is preaching. God you are such a Sony fanboy suckup. Seriously.


http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

I think your just a Sony hater who wants to see them fail.

So if we take away the blu-ray in the PS3 and just put in a normal dvd player, then HD-DVD would be winning this war no matter what, since the PS3 is only the reason why blu-ray is winning other then that.. I think that HD-DVD has won this war..

Put down the Microsoft propaganda.

Consumer Electronics surveys of actual *sales* have shown both formats selling about the SAME (200k), *not* including the PlayStation 3. You can read this in the Wall Street Journal, btw. Not some ignorant fanboi site.

The PS3 has sold 1.3 million units. Go to any Best Buy, Circuit City, etc and see the Blu-ray section ransacked, the HD DVD section neat and untouched.

PeterTHX said,
Put down the Microsoft propaganda.

Consumer Electronics surveys of actual *sales* have shown both formats selling about the SAME (200k), *not* including the PlayStation 3. You can read this in the Wall Street Journal, btw. Not some ignorant fanboi site.

The PS3 has sold 1.3 million units. Go to any Best Buy, Circuit City, etc and see the Blu-ray section ransacked, the HD DVD section neat and untouched.

HAHAHAH..you again. Have YOU been to any of these stores. WTH are you talking about. PS3 IS COLLECTING DUST. There are LESS titles on Blu-Ray disks then HD-DVD. You don't believe me, I'll take pictures for your fanboy ass just so you see..I will go to every closest Circuit City and Best Buy and CompUSA and take pictures of the stacks. I can even include TARGET stores since they are THE WORST with overstocks of PS3s as well.

Boz said,

HAHAHAH..you again. Have YOU been to any of these stores. WTH are you talking about. PS3 IS COLLECTING DUST. There are LESS titles on Blu-Ray disks then HD-DVD. You don't believe me, I'll take pictures for your fanboy ass just so you see..I will go to every closest Circuit City and Best Buy and CompUSA and take pictures of the stacks. I can even include TARGET stores since they are THE WORST with overstocks of PS3s as well.

and I can go to my local Circuit City and Best Buy stores and take pictures of stacks of Xbox 360s and signs of PS3 and Wiis being Sold Out. So what's ur point?

Blu-ray has a bigger movie selection than HD-DVD, because they have more studios backing them. If PS3 didn't have Blu-ray I would still buy a Blu-Ray player cuz it has a bigger selection of movies.

Boz said,

HAHAHAH..you again. Have YOU been to any of these stores. WTH are you talking about. PS3 IS COLLECTING DUST. There are LESS titles on Blu-Ray disks then HD-DVD. You don't believe me, I'll take pictures for your fanboy ass just so you see..I will go to every closest Circuit City and Best Buy and CompUSA and take pictures of the stacks. I can even include TARGET stores since they are THE WORST with overstocks of PS3s as well.

Can't find a PS3 in my city, had to order mine from Newegg last week. How much does MS pay you guys to astro-turf like this?

PeterTHX

I can walk into any store here and pick up like 30 copies of each blu-ray movie and there well still be at least a few 1000 copies for other people to come in and buy...

But tried doing that with HD-DVD movies, it's next to impossiable..

But tried doing that with HD-DVD movies, it's next to impossiable..

Impossible because some retailers are probably realizing HD DVD doesn't sell and won't carry them anymore.

Like I posted above, evidence and facts don't convince you, nothing will. You refuse to see the truth.

Standalones even:
http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?lay...amp;text=hd+dvd

means PS3 tips the scales decidedly in favor of Blu-ray

HD DVD promotions group caught in a lie (does Boz work for them?)
http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/list.html

and finally (saved the best for last) Pack in titles NOT counted towards sales:
http://www.betanews.com/article/PS3_Effect...ales/1170704837

software sells hardware

HD DVD: buh bye!

The format wars don't work anymore, companies these days just manufacture/sell players/recorders that read/write to both types of media.

This is illogical, how can you determine a winner in something like this. Its like saying "mcdonalds is giving away free french fries with their meals, along with a coupon for a 2nd large fry, burger king isn't. McDonalds fries are outselling burger kings!!!"

yeah right, lets compare statistics that dont include the sony PS3, the microsoft HD-DVD addon, or any free movies related to either. thats the only fair comparison that will show you how both formats are doing in the real world, gamers dont represent the average person buying this equipment for their family, and thats what really controls the market, ask yourself which would your mom and dad buy, your grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. tahts who ultimately determines the winner...

It is logical. The people issuing the press releases tell a story that their brand is more successful. Then news sites gooble these stories up becuase they need to fill up space with content. A competitor will wait a few days and then issue a new report that says theirs is winning.

You see its logical. Beta might come back too. They just need to stick a free kids movie in with boxes of cereal and happy-meals.

Chadwick said,
This is illogical, how can you determine a winner in something like this. Its like saying "mcdonalds is giving away free french fries with their meals, along with a coupon for a 2nd large fry, burger king isn't. McDonalds fries are outselling burger kings!!!"

yeah right, lets compare statistics that dont include the sony PS3, the microsoft HD-DVD addon, or any free movies related to either. thats the only fair comparison that will show you how both formats are doing in the real world, gamers dont represent the average person buying this equipment for their family, and thats what really controls the market, ask yourself which would your mom and dad buy, your grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. tahts who ultimately determines the winner...

EXACTLY. and you will actually how pathetic the picture really is for BD. Here's a fact for you.

"A far as the war between Bluray and HDDVD, if you take out PS3 and Xbox 360 add on sales, Bluray has sold about 25k verses HDDVD's 120k stand alone players. "

MarkX said,
The porn industry has chosen HD-DVD, it's over for Blu-Ray. Porn killed Betamax, remember?

a) The industry itself hasn't chosen ****. Many larger studios (including Vivid) are backing both, and the first Japanese porns are coming out on Blu-Ray.

b) when porn killed Betamax, the internet wasn't around, which is actually the industry's preferred method.

Or am I wrong? If you google it, it's overwhelming the number of articles showing the adult film industry leaning towards HD-DVD. I just noticed the article here on Neowin saying the opposite. Who's right?

LOL at the HD DVD guys thinking porn will save them.

Vivid Video already has said that DVD sales only account for 40% of their income.
The rest is from internet downloads.

Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc do just fine not selling porn DVDs.

Soniqstylz is completely correct, porn is out on Blu-ray in Japan, the first BD porn titles from Vivid will be out soon. So far only 2 porn studios have announced HD DVD exclusive support, hardly the entire industry now is it?

The porn industry has chosen HD-DVD, it's over for Blu-Ray. Porn killed Betamax, remember?
This was misinformation that was spread.

Here's the first link I found:
http://www.tvpredictions.com/sonyban012407.htm

"There's no prohibition against adult content," Gephardt told the publication. "We don't tell people how they can use the licenses they get from the Blu-ray Disc Association."

Despite grumbling from some porn executives, Vivid Entertainment CEO Steve Hirsch says he's releasing Debbie Does Dallas...Again on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray in late March or early April.

They may currently be "leaning" towards HD-DVD, sure, but once porn like the above start getting released on Blu-ray and they see no one is shooting them for it, I have no doubt company executives will start to release porn on Blu-ray too. After all, they wish to maximize their profits like everyone else, and releasing on multiple formats is key to that, especially as long as Blu-rays outsell HD-DVD, PS3 bundled or not.

MarkX said,
The porn industry has chosen HD-DVD, it's over for Blu-Ray. Porn killed Betamax, remember?

This is a silly notion, porn impacted the VHS vs BETA Max format war because it was tough to get porn for home conusmption. This is no longer true thanks to the Internet, and who pays for porn anyways? At the polar extreme is Disney backing Blu-Ray, and that my five-knuckle-shuffling friends will spur more Blu-Ray adoption than you may realize.

The main reason VHS won over Beta way back when was *runtime*. The first gen Beta cassettes only had 90 minute runtime; VHS had 120 minutes, or something close to that. Sony chose quality over runtime and it backfired.

Now looking at Blu-Ray, Sony has the quality and the runtime advantage. Blu-Ray is far more scalable than HD-DVD, 100gig discs are possible without changes to current hardware. HD-DVD can't manage 50gig without hardware changes.

Longer runtime Beta cassettes that matched VHS were released, but required new players (see any parallels here?), and then it was too late. Of course runtime isn't such an issue with digital formats because there is finer control over the quality/size aspect of the content. But on formats that claim to provide the absolute best quality, Sony have the upper hand with their more impressive storage and bandwidth statistics.

As for porn, it makes ZERO difference, it wasn't as influential as people think in the Original Format Wars™. But now the internet makes it completely moot.

I would like Blu-Ray to prevail mainly because its a superior media format (i would rather backup 50gig than 30gig per disc). They both seem pretty equal as far as playing pretty pictures on a big telly goes, but Sony does get a couple of extra points for greater potential.

With the Studio and PS3 support Blu-Ray has, i think Sony may win their first Format War

till they alllow 3rd party electronics makers to come out with inexpensive harde/players for the average joe or guy/gal who makes close to min wage all this will be is a close race for booth players

ps

one has cheaper equipment but higher media cost
the other has higher much higher erquipment cost but really cheap media cost

but

hd-dvd is ahead only by the sheer fact of the ripper's ripping and copying and making there back-up's
oh and the possibilites of buying bootleg pr0n *L*

Umm what are you talkign about.

As of now BD has more expensive players, their media is abotu 10 times more expensive to make. as for the production equipment opf the actual movies. it's the same, they use the same codecs, and their menu systems and interactive stuff some is the same other is similar.

Sigh, more lies & FUD from the HD DVD supporters.

Blu-ray discs are 2x DVD cost.

HD DVD discs are 1.5x DVD cost.

HD DVD *combos* (DVD on one side, HD DVD on the other) are 3.5x DVD cost! Universal, HD DVD's sole exclusive supporter, prefers these discs, totally blowing out the argument that BD is more expensive.

These figures for production costs are readily available from Cinram, Technicolor, Sony DADC and any other Blu-ray production facility.

ROFL So we should listen to those figures because they're coming from Blu-ray production facilities?! Are you listening to yourself? Wow, you must be smoking something...

Pixels. Grow up. It's illegal to misquote what they actually charge.

These are INDUSTRY figures. Legal disclosure, look it up.

HD DVD needs to step up, I haven't seen any HD burners or Sunday Ad's for them. But then again I only buy regular DVD's and use a up converting DVD player

I have yet to see one single HD-DVD ad, they are really ****ing that up. When i pick up the ads on sunday morning, i have ONLY seen blu-ray.

I agree, with the big head start they had on launch and their early sales lead they should have been advertising like crazy, especially on TV. I've never seen an HD-DVD ad either though, but Blu-Ray is everywhere.

Is that a big deal? I don't see why so many of you are hoping for HD-DVD, when the common argument against Blu-ray is mostly just the price, which is obviously things in flux as production rates increase. Currently, both HD-DVD and Blu-ray are pricey as hell, just one more than another. Are we honestly at a stage where we can see how prices will end up after the formats have became more common and the Blu-ray supporting brands have increased their volumes?

I for one am at least *hoping* for Blu-ray discs to one day become at least nearly as cheap as HD-DVD's, and that both will fall in price. Blu-ray is obviously the better format to me; who cares if Sony is one of those backing it.

dandin1 said,
But the funny part is that it'd actually be $100-200 cheaper if it didn't have blu-ray. :suspicious:

And the 360 would be a lot more expensive if it had an HD player built in. Dunno why everyone b**tches about the price of the PS3 in the first place. Tards, I tell ya.

Dakkaroth said,

And the 360 would be a lot more expensive if it had an HD player built in. Dunno why everyone b**tches about the price of the PS3 in the first place. Tards, I tell ya.

Try living in the UK and then see if you can hold back your absolute disgust for the ridiculous price.

Dakkaroth said,

And the 360 would be a lot more expensive if it had an HD player built in. Dunno why everyone b**tches about the price of the PS3 in the first place. Tards, I tell ya.

yeah your right the xbox360 would cost more but thats why it's best they did not do that cause it gives people the choice instead of being forced to pay extra for something u probably dont really need as of today anyways.... cause im sure the majority of people who buy xbox360's and ps3's dont even have a HDTV.

as for price, the ps3 is ridiculous NO console should ever cost more then 300-400 dollars TOPS... it's a fricking console NOT a PC.... cause i think as of now the xbox360's price is already seriously pushing it.

im glad the xbox360 uses a standard dvd-rom drive in it cause then you can actually make backup copies of your games instead of being just screwed like you are with ps3.

i know this aint about xbox360 vs ps3... but ill say it anyways... i would take a xbox360 over a ps3 without question (as of now)... cause it's modable and it's cheaper and it has better games for it... those sound like MAJOR reasons why (as of now) the xbox360 is the superior console. (p.s. i own a xbox and ps2 so i aint a fanboy)

ThaCrip said,

yeah your right the xbox360 would cost more but thats why it's best they did not do that cause it gives people the choice instead of being forced to pay extra for something u probably dont really need as of today anyways.... cause im sure the majority of people who buy xbox360's and ps3's dont even have a HDTV.

as for price, the ps3 is ridiculous NO console should ever cost more then 300-400 dollars TOPS... it's a fricking console NOT a PC.... cause i think as of now the xbox360's price is already seriously pushing it.

im glad the xbox360 uses a standard dvd-rom drive in it cause then you can actually make backup copies of your games instead of being just screwed like you are with ps3.

i know this aint about xbox360 vs ps3... but ill say it anyways... i would take a xbox360 over a ps3 without question (as of now)... cause it's modable and it's cheaper and it has better games for it... those sound like MAJOR reasons why (as of now) the xbox360 is the superior console. (p.s. i own a xbox and ps2 so i aint a fanboy)

Yeah, I want a 360 too. I'd also like a PS3 though, not for Blu-ray (perk though), or anything like that, but because of the games that'll be coming to it. I can't really agree with the Xbox games. That's the one reason I've never bought an Xbox to begin with was because the lack of good games. I mean, PS2 has good games still being dished out with FF12 and such. I hope the 360 can expand their library, and PS3 can maintain a good lineup (which they already have).

I play for fun, not to debate a console like so many other people choose to do. Console wars are old now, just show us what games will be coming out for the systems and the people will come. :X

Because we're talking about movies, not storage. and it doesn't matter for movies, HD-DVD is well ahead of the requirements for a HD movie, and no BD can't icnrease quality since there's a size standard set, and even if they could use more space for quality,it'd be useless since the compressi0on is allready at a level where you don't loose details.

How does one "loose" details? Are they tight otherwise???

HD DVD is already past capacity. 30GB is not enough. Most releases don't have lossless audio.
Titles like "King Kong" and "Spartacus" are devoid of extras that were on the DVD version. Compression and noise show up in "Superman Returns".

BD can increase quality all it wants because (and for those who are ignorant of facts) it has a GREATER VIDEO BANDWIDTH. HD DVD is limited to 36Mbps *total* bitrate and that includes audio.

Meanwhile Blu-ray titles like "World Trade Center" and "Flightplan" have bitrates 35Mbps and above *alone* for video! Blu-ray has a 54Mbps total bitrate!

So in the HD DVD world 30GB>50Gb...and 36Mbps > 54Mbps?

That Univeral, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount > Fox, Disney, Lionsgate, Columbia, MGM, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount?

Sounds like HD DVD is a true LOSER

PeterTHX said,
How does one "loose" details? Are they tight otherwise???

HD DVD is already past capacity. 30GB is not enough. Most releases don't have lossless audio.
Titles like "King Kong" and "Spartacus" are devoid of extras that were on the DVD version. Compression and noise show up in "Superman Returns".

BD can increase quality all it wants because (and for those who are ignorant of facts) it has a GREATER VIDEO BANDWIDTH. HD DVD is limited to 36Mbps *total* bitrate and that includes audio.

Meanwhile Blu-ray titles like "World Trade Center" and "Flightplan" have bitrates 35Mbps and above *alone* for video! Blu-ray has a 54Mbps total bitrate!

So in the HD DVD world 30GB>50Gb...and 36Mbps > 54Mbps?

That Univeral, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount > Fox, Disney, Lionsgate, Columbia, MGM, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount?

Sounds like HD DVD is a true LOSER

it are only formats, get a grip on yourself! who cares which one wins

PeterTHX said,
How does one "loose" details? Are they tight otherwise???

HD DVD is already past capacity. 30GB is not enough. Most releases don't have lossless audio.
Titles like "King Kong" and "Spartacus" are devoid of extras that were on the DVD version. Compression and noise show up in "Superman Returns".

BD can increase quality all it wants because (and for those who are ignorant of facts) it has a GREATER VIDEO BANDWIDTH. HD DVD is limited to 36Mbps *total* bitrate and that includes audio.

Meanwhile Blu-ray titles like "World Trade Center" and "Flightplan" have bitrates 35Mbps and above *alone* for video! Blu-ray has a 54Mbps total bitrate!

So in the HD DVD world 30GB>50Gb...and 36Mbps > 54Mbps?

That Univeral, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount > Fox, Disney, Lionsgate, Columbia, MGM, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount?

Sounds like HD DVD is a true LOSER

Not only that you are rude and undisciplined, but you are talking GARBAGE. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN KING KONG title on HD-DVD. PLEASE SHUT THE FREAK UP. You are talking about things that you NEVER SAW upclose and personal. You are just reciting press releases and some half-ass information you read somewhere you don't even understand.

PeterTHX said,
How does one "loose" details? Are they tight otherwise???

HD DVD is already past capacity. 30GB is not enough. Most releases don't have lossless audio.
Titles like "King Kong" and "Spartacus" are devoid of extras that were on the DVD version. Compression and noise show up in "Superman Returns".

BD can increase quality all it wants because (and for those who are ignorant of facts) it has a GREATER VIDEO BANDWIDTH. HD DVD is limited to 36Mbps *total* bitrate and that includes audio.

Meanwhile Blu-ray titles like "World Trade Center" and "Flightplan" have bitrates 35Mbps and above *alone* for video! Blu-ray has a 54Mbps total bitrate!

So in the HD DVD world 30GB>50Gb...and 36Mbps > 54Mbps?

That Univeral, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount > Fox, Disney, Lionsgate, Columbia, MGM, Weinstein, Warner, Paramount?

Sounds like HD DVD is a true LOSER

I think we all know who the true LOSER is...

Boz said,
Not only that you are rude and undisciplined, but you are talking GARBAGE. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN KING KONG title on HD-DVD. PLEASE SHUT THE FREAK UP. You are talking about things that you NEVER SAW upclose and personal. You are just reciting press releases and some half-ass information you read somewhere you don't even understand.

I have and it's absolutely amazing. The fight scenes between T-Rex and King Kong blow my mind away (I'm being sincere).

PeterTHX said,
BD can increase quality all it wants because (and for those who are ignorant of facts) it has a GREATER VIDEO BANDWIDTH. HD DVD is limited to 36Mbps *total* bitrate and that includes audio.

Meanwhile Blu-ray titles like "World Trade Center" and "Flightplan" have bitrates 35Mbps and above *alone* for video! Blu-ray has a 54Mbps total bitrate!LOSER

wow, why do they need so much bandwidth? Problems encoding the movies?

The HD movies I have been watching for a year now have normally a videobitrate of 16-18Mbps max and perfect quality. And this is when using the higher bitrate MPEG2 format and not the higher-compression H264 codec which Blu-ray movies use.

35Mbps videobitrate is overkill, you need at most half of it for absolutely perfect H264 image quality. Everything above is just wasted space.

Ahhh good. Here come the personal insults.

When you can't back your arguments up with actual facts and figures resort to that.

Shows just how desperate the HD DVD fans have gotten. It's showing up on all the fansites and forums. BD supporters are getting a real kick out of this.

vacs said,
wow, why do they need so much bandwidth? Problems encoding the movies?

35Mbps videobitrate is overkill, you need at most half of it for absolutely perfect H264 image quality. Everything above is just wasted space.

35Mbps peak bitrate, not average.

"Flightplan" is VC-1. "Casanova" is VC-1 and has video bitrate peaks beyond what HD DVD can offer as well.

I have and it's absolutely amazing. The fight scenes between T-Rex and King Kong blow my mind away (I'm being sincere).

It's true "King Kong" looks great, but they poured all available data into the video. There is no more room on the disc for lossless audio or the extras from the 2 disc DVD edition, which is extremely unusual for Universal since all previous HD DVDs from them included all the extras from the DVD version.

If and when they are on Blu-ray they can have all the DVD extras and lossless audio because they have 20 more gigabytes to play with and 18 more Mbps of bandwidth for audio. On Blu-ray, audio and video are separate streams where they are muxed together on HD DVD...add audio tracks and you take away video bandwidth and vice versa.

If they own HDTV sets I would assume the answer would be yes...when they see the quality difference I'm sure many consumers will be sold. Remember they already own a PS3 thus a blu-ray player so theyve already made the more expensive purchase.

CheeseFart said,
but would people buy the movies if it wasn't for the voucher? will they buy any more?

I don't think so. That's exactly the point that this PeterTHX Sony suck-up fanboy is not saying. You get $10 from each Studio for a total of $70. If you already got this, OF COURSE you'll use them with Sony to get those movies. And for $70 I guess you can even get 2 movies. AND they count that as sales. Just look at it from a logical point of view, someone gives you something for free, of course you'll use it. But it's really questionable whether that person will buy more, especially if they bought PS3 for gaming and not movie watching.

Tired of being "owned" Boz?

Nielsen tracks actual sales. Not pack ins. Not rebates. SALES. BD has the lead 2-1.

You have to BUY each and every disc listed to get all the rebates. Spend a few hundred dollars on some movies you may or may not like to get $70 back? I know HD DVD folks are desperate for titles and will buy pretty much anything they can get to justify their future paperweight, but BD folks have the luxury of CHOICE because of the greater studio support.

Never gets old posting this:

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

Pretty sneaky tactic by Sony. Good one. They've won this round, but HD-DVD will still outsell Blu-Ray in the end. It's cheaper, for starters.

Here in the UK Blu-Ray movies are cheaper than HD-DVD. As for players HD-DVD are currently cheaper but the PS3 even things act and acts as a games console as well, so I see many families opting for that... prices for both players should drop once they hit mass production. As for computers... there are already Blu-Ray burners about, whilst HD-DVD burners are about to be launched. The picture is currently very unclear.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Here in the UK Blu-Ray movies are cheaper than HD-DVD.

Yes and no. Some HD-DVD movies retail at £19.99, and some at £24.99. And some Blu-Rays retail at £17.99, and some at £24.99.

So yes, in a way Blu-Ray is cheaper than HD-DVD. Sony probably had to do this to counteract the high price of the Blu-Ray players.

On Play.com, the cheapest HD-DVD player is £349.99 (RRP £449.99), and the cheapest Blu-Ray player is £749.99 (RRP £999.99).

IMO, it's probably best to get a hybrid player that plays both formats, like the new LG one.

MightyJordan said,

Yes and no. Some HD-DVD movies retail at £19.99, and some at £24.99. And some Blu-Rays retail at £17.99, and some at £24.99.

So yes, in a way Blu-Ray is cheaper than HD-DVD. Sony probably had to do this to counteract the high price of the Blu-Ray players.

On Play.com, the cheapest HD-DVD player is £349.99 (RRP £449.99), and the cheapest Blu-Ray player is £749.99 (RRP £999.99).

IMO, it's probably best to get a hybrid player that plays both formats, like the new LG one.

I'm not sure about the UK, but here in the US, the cheapest Blu-Ray player is the PS3.

transelation = which means there only for the super rich.

once the blu-ray burners get around 75 dollars TOPS (the good range is 50 dollars or less though) and discs are NO MORE then about 1dollar each (or so) then they will still be to expensive for "mainstream" use.

ThaCrip said,
transelation = which means there only for the super rich.

once the blu-ray burners get around 75 dollars TOPS (the good range is 50 dollars or less though) and discs are NO MORE then about 1dollar each (or so) then they will still be to expensive for "mainstream" use.

Obviously you're too young to remember paying $300 for a 2x (write-once) CD burner, and around $16 for *one* blank 650MB CD...back when buffer underrun prevention didn't exist, and making coasters was all too common.

I certainly wasn't "super rich" back then, and I'm still certainly not today.

That being said, I expect the BluRay/HDDVD burners to come down in price a lot faster than it took their predecessors.

wait 20th centruy fox is doing this comparision? psh they are pro-blu-ray of course they would want to show bluray as the winner

i agree... i think eventually hd-dvd will beat out blu-ray to , but only reason i would like blu-ray over hd-dvd is for PC data storage but then again HD-DVD already offers 15GB? ... which is pretty large ammount... even standard dvd's are pretty good for PC data storage... cd's are pretty much obsolete if you ask me when it comes to data storage since cd's costs alot more then dvd's even though dvd's cost roughly twice the price they offer about 6-7times the storage space... plus dvd burners are damn near dirt cheap today for a good one. ... but cd's will probably be around for a long time due to the fact alot of people still burn regular AUDIO cd's.... but for data i aint used them for a long time.

you guys forgot about that patent/annoucement by Toshiba for the TRIPLED-layered HD-DVD disc -> 51GB > 50GB. k thanks.

I think overall HD-DVD will win over Blu Ray.

Why?
Only 3 studios support them (no Fox, no Lionsgate, no Disney, no Columbia/Tri-Star)

No companies support them except Toshiba & MS (who doesn't build hardware). No Panasonic, no Pioneer, no Samsung, no Sharp, no Mitsubishi, no Philips, no Hitachi, etc (those are ALL Blu-ray companies)

you guys forgot about that patent/annoucement by Toshiba for the TRIPLED-layered HD-DVD disc -> 51GB > 50GB. k thanks.

And YOU forgot to read the rest of the announcement, that they are WORKING on it and hope to have it submitted to the standards committee by the end of this year. Not to mention that it will render any hardware out there obsolete.

Meanwhile TDK (Blu-ray) has produced 100GB discs and demoed 200GB discs on *existing* hardware.

Where are the HD DVD burners BTW? Already there are several BD burners (Panasonic, Pioneer, Ben-q, Plextor, Sony, etc) and they support dual layer 50GB discs out of the box.

PeterTHX said,
I think overall HD-DVD will win over Blu Ray.
No companies support them except Toshiba & MS (who doesn't build hardware). No Panasonic, no Pioneer, no Samsung, no Sharp, no Mitsubishi, no Philips, no Hitachi, etc (those are ALL Blu-ray companies)

Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, and Intel are all backing HD-DVD whilst companies like Pioneer (just released a dual-format player) are sitting on the fence.

Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, and Intel are all backing HD-DVD whilst companies like Pioneer (just released a dual-format player) are sitting on the fence.

Oops!
Out of date, and just plain wrong.

NEC is out of the HD DVD game and in fact has partnered with Sony in optics. They also released a Blu-ray only PC laptop in Japan. The A1/X1 drive was originally from NEC. The A2/X2/XBOX 360 add-on are made by Toshiba.

Sanyo is a member of both BD and HD DVD. They have yet to announce any kind of hardware for either format.

Microsoft/Intel build chipsets and software...NOT HARDWARE. Show me an Intel or MS DVD player please if you think I'm wrong. Remember the XBOX 360 add-on is Toshiba built (as is the Zune)

Pioneer has a BD standalone player (Elite series). They build Sony's standalone (Sony builds the PS3).
They were the first with a BD burner, and at CES announced the next generation of BD burners and a combo (as in BD *player* DVD *writer*...no HD DVD whatsoever). On the fence? Hardly. They are in BD's yard, building a fort.

+Matrix XII on 05 Feb 2007 - 08:34
Quote - (Orange said @ #3)
I think overall HD-DVD will win over Blu Ray.

Any actual evidence to back that up whatsoever?

PeterTHX said,
I think overall HD-DVD will win over Blu Ray.

Why?
Only 3 studios support them (no Fox, no Lionsgate, no Disney, no Columbia/Tri-Star)

No companies support them except Toshiba & MS (who doesn't build hardware). No Panasonic, no Pioneer, no Samsung, no Sharp, no Mitsubishi, no Philips, no Hitachi, etc (those are ALL Blu-ray companies)

you guys forgot about that patent/annoucement by Toshiba for the TRIPLED-layered HD-DVD disc -> 51GB > 50GB. k thanks.

And YOU forgot to read the rest of the announcement, that they are WORKING on it and hope to have it submitted to the standards committee by the end of this year. Not to mention that it will render any hardware out there obsolete.

Meanwhile TDK (Blu-ray) has produced 100GB discs and demoed 200GB discs on *existing* hardware.

Where are the HD DVD burners BTW? Already there are several BD burners (Panasonic, Pioneer, Ben-q, Plextor, Sony, etc) and they support dual layer 50GB discs out of the box.

And you tell me asswipe, where can you buy 50gb BDs? Sony has been promising these last year and they still don't have them. Who's blowing smoke up who's ass? Right now you have 30gb HD-DVD disks and 25gb BDs. Please shut it.

Boz said,

And you tell me asswipe, where can you buy 50gb BDs? Sony has been promising these last year and they still don't have them. Who's blowing smoke up who's ass? Right now you have 30gb HD-DVD disks and 25gb BDs. Please shut it.

I don't know about him being an asswipe, but he is right.

PeterTHX said,
Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, and Intel are all backing HD-DVD whilst companies like Pioneer (just released a dual-format player) are sitting on the fence.

Oops!
Out of date, and just plain wrong.

NEC is out of the HD DVD game and in fact has partnered with Sony in optics. They also released a Blu-ray only PC laptop in Japan. The A1/X1 drive was originally from NEC. The A2/X2/XBOX 360 add-on are made by Toshiba.

Well if your that sure you should edit Wikipedia.

PeterTHX said,
Microsoft/Intel build chipsets and software...NOT HARDWARE. Show me an Intel or MS DVD player please if you think I'm wrong. Remember the XBOX 360 add-on is Toshiba built (as is the Zune)

I never stated that the companies made players, just that they are supported by them, which was what I was quoting.

PeterTHX said,
Pioneer has a BD standalone player (Elite series). They build Sony's standalone (Sony builds the PS3).
They were the first with a BD burner, and at CES announced the next generation of BD burners and a combo (as in BD *player* DVD *writer*...no HD DVD whatsoever). On the fence? Hardly. They are in BD's yard, building a fort.

Well if they're releasing HD-DVD intergrated stuff then they aren't totally in the Blu-Ray camp. If they were in the Blu-Ray "fort" then they'd wouldn't be dealing with HD-DVD.

However, you do seem to know your stuff :P

RubberJabber said,
Well if your that sure you should edit Wikipedia.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1888626,00.asp <- article on the merger

Well if they're releasing HD-DVD intergrated stuff then they aren't totally in the Blu-Ray camp. If they were in the Blu-Ray "fort" then they'd wouldn't be dealing with HD-DVD.
There was a rumor, but Andy Parsons (who is in charge of Pioneer's operations in North America) reiterated their Blu-ray only support this past CES and is one of the spokespersons for the format in general.

However, you do seem to know your stuff :P

More than 20 years in the business. Thanks