Sony: PS4 "caught Microsoft off-guard"; next Xbox to get early April reveal?

You may remembers that in January, Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai indicated that the company would wait to reveal details about its next PlayStation console until after Microsoft announced the first information on its next Xbox. Hirai was quoted as saying, "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

Apparently, Sony leaders decided to change their minds as the company officially revealed the PlayStation 4 earlier this week, with a launch planned for the holiday period of 2013. Today, Computer and Video Games quotes an unnamed Sony executive as saying Sony's early reveal "caught Microsoft off-guard." The unnamed official added, "We definitely ruffled some feathers."

The same article claims, via unnamed sources, that Microsoft is planning to hold its own press conference for the next Xbox console announcement sometime in early April as a special one-off event, similar to how the company announced the Surface tablet in 2012. If true, the timing of the press conference will be interesting as the Game Developer Conferences in San Fransisco will be held in late March. Microsoft announced the original Xbox as part of GDC in 2000.

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MS not only decimated half of the playstation base to come over to the other side

Just as a friendly tip that is an incorrect statement since it contradicts itself in nature. decimated means to reduce to 1/10th of the original size. So you have half of something and have it be 1/10th of the original size.

sathenzar said,

Just as a friendly tip that is an incorrect statement since it contradicts itself in nature. decimated means to reduce to 1/10th of the original size. So you have half of something and have it be 1/10th of the original size.
Even if that's the etymology of the word - that does not mean the word still means that. It simply means 'greatly reduced'.

How were MS caught off guard by Sony saying "we're releasing a PS4. No you can't see it. We don't even know what it'll look like!" They may as well have walked onto the stage and said "We're going to Mars! Timetable for it..... the future!"

Am I the only one who thought the whole announcement was the stupidest move on Sony's behalf ever? They announce a next generation product which can only hurt their existing products sales yet have actually nothing to show. I work in retail and have already had a few people now say they wont purchase a PS3 knowing a new one is imminent yet Sony Australia has told me they don't expect the PS4 to launch this year as the announcement of this year was for North America only.

If Microsoft announced their new console and Sony did the announcement to kind of steal some of Microsoft thunder then it would make sense but what they have done seems like marketing suicide to me. They haven't even got the specs 100% confirmed or a console built yet they are announcing it to the world???????

I don't think it's as bad as you might think.

Knowing next-generation consoles are imminent will stifle sales for BOTH the current consoles, not just Sony's, which for one means they aren't giving themselves a particular disadvantage.

The other matter is that letting people know it's coming 8-10 months beforehand, gives people time to save some money on the side to pay for the thing. And I would rather have as many people as possible able to put up £400-£500 and lock themselves into my next-generation than pay £200 for current generation & buy a load of used games ^^

so they say they wont announce first, then they announce and that somehow makes them think they throw microsoft off? *scratches head* pretty stupid logic here on sony's end

What? This is why Sony is falling. Their executives are insanely stupid. Microsoft am sure watches the interest. I am sure they knew the PS4 was coming. It was simply a matter of when. It really doesn't matter who gets on the shelf first, its who has the best option for the price.

The Xbox 360 didnt outsell the P32 because it was first. The PS3 was better spec'd having a blu-ray player. What did move Xox to first was at release Sony couldnt keep enough on the shelves and so people bought was was avaol which was the Xbox. After buying the Xbix they saw it was better, better supported to the point the devs starting making the 360 games first and then ported them to the PS3.

The PS4 is not but a heavily spec'd piece of junk silicon that is going to lose again. Blu-Ray isnt a winning feature. Games are. Teh only plus I see is if Sony supports PS3 game on it as MS is not going to support Xbox 360 games on it...but they should.

Sega was always first before Nintendo, look what happened to them. They lost every single time.

Playstation excecutives have a different mindset.
A different reason to be in this market.

They didnt like it one bit that MS beat em to the punch last time either

Somehow its to bad Nintendo dropped out, its still a big player but more in its own category, the Apple among consoles.

And Sega did win the 16bit generation though.

Disclaimer: I'm a 360 owner and do not own a Playstation. I hope Microsoft get their ass handed to them this next generation. They need a kick in the pants to stay competitive and a reminder that they're not the only game in town. Not happy with all the dick moves they're making and rumored to be making lately.

AR556 said,
Disclaimer: I'm a 360 owner and do not own a Playstation. I hope Microsoft get their ass handed to them this next generation. They need a kick in the pants to stay competitive and a reminder that they're not the only game in town. Not happy with all the dick moves they're making and rumored to be making lately.

Sorry, but what "dick moves" are you relating to? We don't know anything about the nextbox, and im unsure to what they did on the 360 that was bad.

auziez said,

Sorry, but what "dick moves" are you relating to? We don't know anything about the nextbox, and im unsure to what they did on the 360 that was bad.

My statement regarding Microsoft's dick moves are about some of the things they've done and are rumored to do in the future.

1. Xbox hardware quality is **** and has continued to be **** in one way or another through out this generation.
2. Forcing people to buy over-priced hard drives with less than adequate storage instead of allowing us to buy off the shelf hdds.
3. The ridiculous Gold requirement to access services you're already paying for (Netflix, Hulu Plus).
4. Their recent changes to Office licensing, further restricting rights of those that legitimately pay for their products and their blatant attempt to force feed software as a service model down our throats.
5. The mess they've made of the Windows desktop platform, all in the name of pandering to the touch, tablet, phone market and app market.
6. The sheer incompetency demonstrated in the launch of Windows phone 8, lack of flagship hardware equal to offerings by Apple and Google, and not addressing critical bugs within the WP8 OS itself within a timely manner.
7. Sticking their nose in the Google vs. Oracle court case.
8. Rumored incompatibility with current 360 games.

Admittedly, alot of this is opinionated and my views aren't going to be shared by many people here. Take it for what it's worth, its how I feel. I do not like the company Microsoft is becoming.

Well Said!! Microsoft has indeed gotten lazy.
Disclaimer : I am a Microsoft fanboy, but not a 360 fan anymore.
1. There have been three PS3 console design changes in its lifetime while MS played catchup releasing the 360 Slim late (finally with wifi but with an oversized powerbrick).
2. If not pressured by Sony PS4 launch, MS has no incentive to launch the 720 when the 360 is selling well in the US. I am sure fanboys in US will continue to gobble the 360 even after PS4 launches and keep defending it.
3. The last three years have seen more PS3 exclusives which are also better and more original than the few 360 exclusives.
4. XBOX Live Gold no longer offers any value to me while unnecessarily restricting netflix and other streaming access..

AR556 said,

My statement regarding Microsoft's dick moves are about some of the things they've done and are rumored to do in the future.

.

Admittedly, alot of this is opinionated and my views aren't going to be shared by many people here. Take it for what it's worth, its how I feel. I do not like the company Microsoft is becoming.

Excellent points, I just wanted to hear your reasoning. I agree with all the 360 complaints, by no means was it perfect and I hope they get it sorted out for the next xbox. However, many of the points ive come to just live with because they are not a huge deal for me.
For me it comes down to what games will be on the console, the xbox 360 just has what I like while the ps3 does admittedly have a few exclusives that I love as well. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I wonder how many people will now wait for a PS4 and stop buying your PS3? I would have at least done the event showing the console.

bucko said,
I wonder how many people will now wait for a PS4 and stop buying your PS3? I would have at least done the event showing the console.

Depends a lot on how much people thing it through.

Option 1: Next Generation - Wait 8 Months, buy a brand new console, and have a choice of 20 titles, none of which are well optimized and most of which are rushed. Also all of this at full price.

Option 2: Current Generation - Buy it now, spent 1/3 to 1/2 on the console/games, and enjoy a vast library of games that are well optimized to the console.

Not showing the hardware is for one thing, completely not important... You use a console, you don't stare at it.

Haha, yeah this isn't that impressive, but I'm pretty done with consoles for the time being.

Just a bit curious though, people would rather see Sony go away completely and have only one XBox console? Just doesn't seem like such a good idea.

CronicHazel said,
Haha, yeah this isn't that impressive, but I'm pretty done with consoles for the time being.

Just a bit curious though, people would rather see Sony go away completely and have only one XBox console? Just doesn't seem like such a good idea.

hmm, i dont know which people your referring to. Sure the xbox is a huge hit... but thats just it, its nice to have competition so that the xbox doesnt think it can lag behind.

CronicHazel said,

Just a bit curious though, people would rather see Sony go away completely and have only one XBox console? Just doesn't seem like such a good idea.

I would be completely ok with sony dropping out of consoles to be honest =P. I will always buy playstation over xbox for the superior exclusives and better controller, however..
If sony had to drop out, those developers could make the titles I love for the PC/Xbox and I wouldn't have the issue of half my friends owning one, and half the other. Even if I would need to get a 3rd party controller to play comfortably

I don't know about this whole Microsoft caught off guard thing. I mean, I don't see where people get that. If anything, with Sony unveiling the PS4 first that tells me they are concerned with what Microsoft may come up with and feel they need to get the jump.

And with that being said, I wasn't impressed by what Sony brought to the table. We basically have a mid-range PC in a console shell (which no one knows what the console actually looks like, so who's to say that was actual raw in-game footage?) with features that are known to current generation by PC gamers. I was hoping for revolutionary next-generation features.

Perhaps I need to wait on Microsoft or Steam for that.

<yawn> hes a dreamer, dunno about the rest of you but way i see it, the console specs itself are a touch meh, approx the same oomph as a top end games PC now, if they intend to use the Ps4 as long as the PS3 then mid life its going to be soooo underpowered compared to advances in tech (PC hardware) by then.

Also MS can now sit back and look at the Sony specs, giggle then deal their hand.

I find it slightly amusing Sony are using x86 this time around, so much for "X86 is dead long live IBM Cell CPUS"

"unnamed sources" at sony saying that doesn't carry much weight. what is this journalism standard this site is pushing? it's called lazy.

They hardly revealed anything, so if they caught Microsoft off guard, it was in regards to them being surprised that all they know is what the controller looks like.

I guess they also know that the PS4 won't have native backwards compatibility, so Microsoft can give them a beatdown if they decide to include that feature.

LaP said,
Looks like i'm the only one who think Bungie support is big. Neowin sure is a strange place ...

Meh, bungie support is no big deal to me. I enjoy the halo franchise, and 343 industries has done well with the recent release.

Astra.Xtreme said,
They hardly revealed anything, so if they caught Microsoft off guard, it was in regards to them being surprised that all they know is what the controller looks like.

I guess they also know that the PS4 won't have native backwards compatibility, so Microsoft can give them a beatdown if they decide to include that feature.


But Microsoft wont, change of architecture and the increment in power is not nearly enough to emulate the 360 chipset.

Shadowzz said,

But Microsoft wont, change of architecture and the increment in power is not nearly enough to emulate the 360 chipset.

Wii games work on the Wii U and it changed architecture, didn't it?

Astra.Xtreme said,

Wii games work on the Wii U and it changed architecture, didn't it?

No, just an evolution of the same arch.

MS could do original Xbox backwards compatibility

While i believe what Sony have done with their whole sharing philosophy is great and a huge surprise. Sony have done what Microsoft did with the 360 and that is to basically show off what they're doing first. Which obviously is basically saying to competitors. "beat that".

This time round though i think both consoles will come to the market around the same time. So it will be down to the consumer and what they want. Last time round, everyone went with Microsoft because it was the only next generation console for some time and turned out to be pretty good.

The social aspect of what Sony has done is really nice but one thing Microsoft knows is how to develop software and i'm sure their social aspect will be on pair with Sonys.

Lingwo said,
While i believe what Sony have done with their whole sharing philosophy is great and a huge surprise. Sony have done what Microsoft did with the 360 and that is to basically show off what they're doing first. Which obviously is basically saying to competitors. "beat that".

This time round though i think both consoles will come to the market around the same time. So it will be down to the consumer and what they want. Last time round, everyone went with Microsoft because it was the only next generation console for some time and turned out to be pretty good.

The social aspect of what Sony has done is really nice but one thing Microsoft knows is how to develop software and i'm sure their social aspect will be on pair with Sonys.

You can bet the social capabilities of the next Xbox will far exceed Sony's. You're right, not only are Microsoft an awesome hardware company- they are the number one software company in the world! Lets see what they bring to the table!

ingramator said,

You can bet the social capabilities of the next Xbox will far exceed Sony's. You're right, not only are Microsoft an awesome hardware company- they are the number one software company in the world! Lets see what they bring to the table!


Exactly. Anything Sony does on the software side Microsoft can smoke them on. Sony releases some of the worst software going... And who wants to trust a company with their social logins and such who can't even spell 'security'?

ingramator said,

You can bet the social capabilities of the next Xbox will far exceed Sony's. You're right, not only are Microsoft an awesome hardware company- they are the number one software company in the world! Lets see what they bring to the table!


Yeah but Sony's paid online services far exceed Xbox's paid services.

Each console will have a very strong point, it'll be interesting

Of course they did. MS wouldn't know if the event was the new PS4 .... or it was just for the new controller ...

People were tossing out a April Xbox date even before the Sony event was known to be about the ps4 iirc. MS might have some tidbits at GDC and then do it's own event in April or just wait for E3. Of late they've been very good at keeping things under wraps and also spreading out info little by little to keep people interested.

I don't think that will change because of Sonys event, heck almost all if not all of the info they talked about had been leaked or rumored for quite some time. I didn't see anything that was a surprise.

GP007 said,
People were tossing out a April Xbox date even before the Sony event was known to be about the ps4 iirc. MS might have some tidbits at GDC and then do it's own event in April or just wait for E3. Of late they've been very good at keeping things under wraps and also spreading out info little by little to keep people interested.

I don't think that will change because of Sonys event, heck almost all if not all of the info they talked about had been leaked or rumored for quite some time. I didn't see anything that was a surprise.

PS4 seams to have been a very very poorly kept secret

GP007 said,
Of late they've been very good at keeping things under wraps and also spreading out info little by little to keep people interested..
maybe a little too good... I like having more leaks than we've had recently

ingramator said,

PS4 seams to have been a very very poorly kept secret


Exactly. And as a poorly kept secret that didn't catch US 'offguard', how would it possibly have caught Microsoft offguard?? Sony's just thumping their chest because it's all they have left.

ingramator said,

PS4 seams to have been a very very poorly kept secret

Considering 720 specs/kinect 2 specs have been leaked as well (Which are probably correct, though shoot me if I'm wrong) it's more of a general things that all console matters get leaked ^^

I didn't know what games would be shown off (Except destiny) so that's something =)

How do they know it caught Microsoft off guard? From what it looks like Sony is the one caught off guard. Leaked ps4 dev kits showed sony was originally going to only have 4 gigs of ram .

Microsoft is the one winning the slaes wars recently for the 360. I see it as sony having to say about the ps4 early.

Not that they tried to put Microsoft off guard.

TheLegendOfMart said,
Microsoft is winning nothing, Sony (72M) is only 2M behind Microsoft (74M) when the 360 had a full years head start.

Microsoft was the underdog coming into this last generation. Sony held the top console for over a decade with PS1 and PS2. If your competitor basically ate half of your marketshare then they clearly have won if not now but sooner rather than later.

MS not only decimated half of the playstation base to come over to the other side, they are currently selling more consoles, even though they are unable to switch over the Japanese crowd, that clearly shows that portions of Europe and heavily the US has favored xbox over playstation. It's a game of numbers at this point, MS keeps eroding away at Sony's userbase and I predict a TOTAL collapse of Sony in this upcoming generation. They simply do not have the money to sustain selling hardware at a loss - the company as a whole has not made any money in years, while Microsoft has around 90 billion to spend away with more money coming in every quarter. MS can undercut Sony at any point thereby outselling the PS4, having devs focus on the majority platform and making the ps4 the next dreamcast.

Edited by , Feb 22 2013, 3:32pm :

TheLegendOfMart said,
Microsoft is winning nothing, Sony (72M) is only 2M behind Microsoft (74M) when the 360 had a full years head start.

Only the last 25 months of sales. But winning doesn't mean dominating.

Yay more fanboy wars woo hoo

Here is some advice, everyone buy what they want, use it and STFU. Would make for a more enjoyable internet.

pgn said,

Microsoft was the underdog coming into this last generation. Sony held the top console for over a decade with PS1 and PS2. If your competitor basically ate half of your marketshare then they clearly have won if not now but sooner rather than later.

MS not only decimated half of the playstation base to come over to the other side, they are currently selling more consoles, even though they are unable to switch over the Japanese crowd, that clearly shows that portions of Europe and heavily the US has favored xbox over playstation. It's a game of numbers at this point, MS keeps eroding away at Sony's userbase and I predict a TOTAL collapse of Sony in this upcoming generation. They simply do not have the money to sustain selling hardware at a loss - the company as a whole has not made any money in years, while Microsoft has around 90 billion to spend away with more money coming in every quarter. MS can undercut Sony at any point thereby outselling the PS4, having devs focus on the majority platform and making the ps4 the next dreamcast.


I agree. Sony's been in a death spiral for quite some time and only the Sony faithful don't see that.

pgn said,

Microsoft was the underdog coming into this last generation. Sony held the top console for over a decade with PS1 and PS2. If your competitor basically ate half of your marketshare then they clearly have won if not now but sooner rather than later.

MS not only decimated half of the playstation base to come over to the other side, they are currently selling more consoles, even though they are unable to switch over the Japanese crowd, that clearly shows that portions of Europe and heavily the US has favored xbox over playstation. It's a game of numbers at this point, MS keeps eroding away at Sony's userbase and I predict a TOTAL collapse of Sony in this upcoming generation. They simply do not have the money to sustain selling hardware at a loss - the company as a whole has not made any money in years, while Microsoft has around 90 billion to spend away with more money coming in every quarter. MS can undercut Sony at any point thereby outselling the PS4, having devs focus on the majority platform and making the ps4 the next dreamcast.

I agree. If MS has slightly inferior base hardware, they could already undercut Sony by quite a lot without having the problems of inferior ports, because it will take quite some time before anyone squeezes all the juice from the new consoles before it would start to show. And with the industry hammering at shorter lifecycles because of crashing sales at the end of this cycle, that could prove very beneficial to MS.
Besides Sony will never be able to clear those $150 Billion in debt with a credit rating of junk and the PS4 wasn't very well received by investors as the stock dropped after the PS4 announcement instead of an expected sharp rise.
Sony has everything to lose now and they are the ones that were off-guard for a very long time.

swanlee said,
Yay more fanboy wars woo hoo

Here is some advice, everyone buy what they want, use it and STFU. Would make for a more enjoyable internet.

+1 I cannot understand how people cannot afford to buy more than one console now adays. It's only a few hundred dollars. I mean if you cannot come up with that than you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

swanlee said,
Yay more fanboy wars woo hoo

Here is some advice, everyone buy what they want, use it and STFU. Would make for a more enjoyable internet.

Sounds like you should follow your own advice.

Newsflash: This is a forum. People debate stuff. Deal with it.

S7R1K3R said,

+1 I cannot understand how people cannot afford to buy more than one console now adays. It's only a few hundred dollars. I mean if you cannot come up with that than you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

I'm not sure if you were trying to be sarcastic but if not...just stfu. So if a person can't buy 2 cars does that mean they shouldn't be driving one? Do u see how fast your logic failed?

ctrl_alt_delete said,

I'm not sure if you were trying to be sarcastic but if not...just stfu. So if a person can't buy 2 cars does that mean they shouldn't be driving one? Do u see how fast your logic failed?

Stay in context, we are not talking about cars or houses or anything that costs multi thousands of dollars. I am talking about sub $1000. Sounds like you don't have logic if you cannot stay in context. My point is if you are having trouble making and saving even $1000 what are you doing playing games anyway. Why aren't you out in the real world trying to make something of yourself. Laziness is the new excuse for being poor.

If you make minimum wage and are supporting a family ... no, you probably won't easily have cash for two consoles. It sure as hell isn't going to be priority for that person, nor is it a reason to throw around word 'lazy'.

Besides, you do not get the decide what makes a gamer a gamer.

Well if they can't afford both consoles they still should just buy the one they want and then STFU. This console warrior crap is a freaking plague that douses any reasonable discussion.

And to another poster here yes I know this is a forum, but console wars are akin to monkee's crapping on their hands and flinging it at each other. I'd hope for something of a more reasonable discourse.

So buy what you want and STFU, defending your purchase on the internet and acting like a fool doing it does not validate your purchase or help out the company you bought something from.

S7R1K3R said,

+1 I cannot understand how people cannot afford to buy more than one console now adays. It's only a few hundred dollars. I mean if you cannot come up with that than you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

well when that console is possibly $599 most people can only afford one.

TheLegendOfMart said,
Microsoft is winning nothing, Sony (72M) is only 2M behind Microsoft (74M) when the 360 had a full years head start.

haha go look at software sales. Microsoft is not only beating sony, they are annihilating them. You can count the number of consoles all you want, but the Japanese will buy a turd if its made by sony. They have close to 10 million on Microsoft in Japan. But what matters is the software. People are buying a **** load more software for Xbox360.

S7R1K3R said,

Stay in context, we are not talking about cars or houses or anything that costs multi thousands of dollars. I am talking about sub $1000. Sounds like you don't have logic if you cannot stay in context. My point is if you are having trouble making and saving even $1000 what are you doing playing games anyway. Why aren't you out in the real world trying to make something of yourself. Laziness is the new excuse for being poor.

Well I'm glad for u that you can afford both next gen consoles. It's not like Ir can't either but in truth it doesn't make sense to do so. I have an xbox and I enjoy using it.
A lot if people buy their consoles for games and feel that all it should do. I buy media and games in this day and age it doesn't make sense to have a single purpose electronic appliance. The PS4 didn't show me anything extra than better looking games. What happened to connecting to my TV without wires. Will I need a separate client to stream videos to the console? Just simple things like that make it for me.

I'm not to keen on people taking over my game and playing it for me...I mean I like to play my own game. If someone else beat it for me then I didn't do it.
I mean buy what u want if it's just one or both.

People can discuss what they want and however they want and it's not up to u to tell them how they can or cannot. So if they want to have a war over it then let them. The real question is WHY THE HELL ARE YOU BUTTING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S WARS?

So what? if you can only afford one does that mean you should prance around the internet flinging crap in lame console war diatribes?

swanlee said,
So what? if you can only afford one does that mean you should prance around the internet flinging crap in lame console war diatribes?

then simply try to stay out of other people's wars. I'm just saying the internet is open to anyone, this is an open board. if someone is trolling ignore them. if someone is having a meaningful conversation then join in. if there's a war going on and you don't like it, then don't join in.

it's just like when you're in a group people having a discussion..there will always be at least 2 of them that just keeps going at it. it's up to you if you want to join in or not or can simply walk away from the group. simple. are keep having your discussion with those who want to have it.

S7R1K3R said,

+1 I cannot understand how people cannot afford to buy more than one console now adays. It's only a few hundred dollars. I mean if you cannot come up with that than you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.


Wow. I don't even know what to say here. I didn't realize people needed your permission to play games...

Sony have lost way more money on the PS3 compared to MS with the 360. We're talking billions here.

The 360 also has the highest game attach rate on any current console. 360 sells more games.

Kinect was the fastest selling electronics device of all time. That includes iToys and anything else. It's in the Guinness book of records.

Most 360 users are willing to actually pay money for an online service, as it's better than what the PS3 offers for free.

In all areas that matter to a company: Money + continuous income from Xbox Live + game sales, MS has beat Sony.

1Pixel said,
Sony have lost way more money on the PS3 compared to MS with the 360. We're talking billions here.

The 360 also has the highest game attach rate on any current console. 360 sells more games.

Kinect was the fastest selling electronics device of all time. That includes iToys and anything else. It's in the Guinness book of records.

Most 360 users are willing to actually pay money for an online service, as it's better than what the PS3 offers for free.

In all areas that matter to a company: Money + continuous income from Xbox Live + game sales, MS has beat Sony.


Yeah Sony didnt lose billions on the PS1 and PS2, they actually made a profit with the PS3, first time for the playstatin division.
So not really a valid argument.

Games yes, marketing wise MS has been the most dominant. Also Sony never focussed much on online play untill after the PS3 was launched, way to late IMO. But they have learned.
I see people that have PS3's around me slowly all sign up for PSN+ and people are ditching their 360s for a PS3 with PSN+.
If Sony keeps PSN+ up... they will have a very strong position.

Shadowzz said,

Yeah Sony didnt lose billions on the PS1 and PS2, they actually made a profit with the PS3, first time for the playstatin division.
So not really a valid argument.

Games yes, marketing wise MS has been the most dominant. Also Sony never focussed much on online play untill after the PS3 was launched, way to late IMO. But they have learned.
I see people that have PS3's around me slowly all sign up for PSN+ and people are ditching their 360s for a PS3 with PSN+.
If Sony keeps PSN+ up... they will have a very strong position.

actually the games division at sony lost almost 3billion dollars last year (you can check their financials). they didn't turn a profit. the money the made on the PS2 went back into funding the PS3 which didn't help them even now because the division is still operating at a loss.

for Microsoft the xbox division made $1.3billion profit in 2011, and made roughly $4million last year.

swanlee said,
Yay more fanboy wars woo hoo

Here is some advice, everyone buy what they want, use it and STFU. Would make for a more enjoyable internet.

Please run for President of Earth. You have my vote.

M_Lyons10 said,

Wow. I don't even know what to say here. I didn't realize people needed your permission to play games...

I am not referring to permission I am just saying that the same people who can barely afford to buy that console will vehemently defend their purchase and are very insecure by citing sales numbers, etc. What does it matter if x company sold x amount vs y company? Why do they take it so personally? The company does not give them anything but they have this loyalty to something so inane it's ridiculous. They need to justify their buy and just be obnoxious. In reality there are great games that are on all the consoles and they should all be played whether they are exclusive to one company. Even if that means not buying the console as soon as it;s released and buying used or a generation behind.

S7R1K3R said,

I am not referring to permission I am just saying that the same people who can barely afford to buy that console will vehemently defend their purchase and are very insecure by citing sales numbers, etc. What does it matter if x company sold x amount vs y company? Why do they take it so personally? The company does not give them anything but they have this loyalty to something so inane it's ridiculous. They need to justify their buy and just be obnoxious. In reality there are great games that are on all the consoles and they should all be played whether they are exclusive to one company. Even if that means not buying the console as soon as it;s released and buying used or a generation behind.

it doesn't make sense to through subs. refer to me directly when you're talking about something I said. when you're talking to a man look him in the eyes.

and for your information when I posted about the sales figures I was correcting something another person posted.
also I'm not "defending" my purchase as you put it, I could careless which console anyone wants to use it doesn't matter to me. I use and buy what works for me. as I said before if both works so you then go right ahead. but for me only one will work, I can buy both but buying both doesn't make sense to me.

and loyalty to a company? i'm not sure where you got that from but good for you that you have such divinity powers that you can tell whats in a person's heart. the PS4 reveal didn't catch my attention and i'm sure there are others that feel the same way (check sony's stock its in a free fall since the reveal on the 20th). if the next xbox doesn't show me anything exiting I'll be sticking with what I currently have or move back to PC gaming.

again: when talking to a man look him in the eyes. so don't through subs my way, refer to me directly and don't act childish I'm sure you're older than that.

COKid said,

Sounds like you should follow your own advice.

Newsflash: This is a forum. People debate stuff. Deal with it.

Debating and litterally saying... Xbox is better than sony are 2 different things.

Not that I'm saying Xbox is better than Sony.

Actually I'm quite the Sony fanboy. ;(