SOPA/PIPA protest hits the real world in New York City

The current black out of a number of web sites today to protest the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect IP Act (PIPA) has now crossed over into the real world. News.com reports that as many as 2,000 people gathered today in midtown Manhattan in New York City. Some of the people in the crowd held up signs, one of which said, "Imagine a world without knowledge."

Some of the protesters went to gather in front of the New York City offices of New York-based US Senator Charles Schumer, one of the co-sponsors of the PIPA bill. That legislation is currently scheduled to be voted on by the Senate on January 24. As we reported earlier, another co-sponsor of the PIPA bill, Senator Marco Rubio, has announced that he is withdrawing his support of PIPA and asking that the vote on PIPA be delayed.

News.com also reports that a number of other Senators and members of the House of Representatives are now withdrawing their own support of SOPA and PIPA or at least saying that the bills should be rewritten. For example, Senator Roy Blunt of Montana has announced, "I'm withdrawing my co-sponsorship for the Protect IP Act."

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lol anyone who supports this bill is either somehow connected to the corporations controlled by the same people, who have MORE MONEY they can spend in a thousand lifetimes or is simply ignorant. This is not about piracy or anything of the sort, do you really believe that it will stop anyone downloading illegal stuff from the internet? It will be harder but it will never ever stop. And if you think that this just affects the US then you are mistaken - because the US already put pressure on Spain for not censoring the net Injustice anywhere is a threat to injustice ANYWHERE. Screw SOPA and PIPA - or any unjust legislation that limits our freedoms and people will not have it anymore!

I am just wondering, as someone who is not an American, will this Bill affect me in any way?

I am assuming that just because the US government might tell Google to remove some site, eg. The Pirate Bay, from their US search engine (.com) that doesn't mean they have to remove the site from their other country-specific search engines, or am I wrong in this?

Im just hoping america don't push its weight around and force other countries to join hands with this ridiculous law if it is passed.

From what I read, this law is so vague that it can be interpreted a few different ways, which is never good. The idea in a nutshell is good, but it can't be implemented successfully. Theres too many ways to tunnel and encrypt data from any other country, so its fruitless. If you block this how do you know its not a skype chat with a relative ??

Its like a speed camera every 1/4 mile of highway of every highway, but we can change our car plates at every turn... why bother? this is a band-aid not a solution.

So what about the piracy stemming from the "private enterprise"? You know, the leaks that come from the companies themselves. How about they clean up their own houses before they start trying to dictate to others how to clean theirs.

SOPA, stop stealing fools, stop downloading and SHARING music that doesn't belong to you, and STOP pirating software over the net.

It's pretty simple, the Govt got involved, why? Because the Free Enterprise system cannot govern itself (RIAA, MPAA has to sue people to get them to stop). that is a sad state of affairs.

It's not going to affect FREE speech or Internet sites, it's just like I say about Fingerprints and DNA and listening to your phone conversations.. if you DON'T have anything to hide, then WHAT is the problem?!?!?

I am going to ask one SIMPLE question, when the Feds threaten to take action because YOU break the law (pirate, steal, copyright infringement, etc..) and they change how OTHER people share that information as a result.. WHAT (And I want SPECIFIC examples) WHAT liberties or freedoms do you give up? Huh?

I want SPECIFICs, not this bogus hogwash about "Uncle sam is spying on me" or "phone companies are watching what I do". That's NOT stopping or FORCING you to change.. it only means they are WATCHING.

I say So WHAT?!?!? Can you still drive ANYWHERE and ANYTIME? Of course you can, so to me it just means you cannot justify stealing intellectual property simple because its on media you can TOUCH, doesn't mean you OWN it.. we all have to SHARE!

It's real simple, very simple. Stop stealing, stop copying, stop using someone else's ideas, that's IT! If you stop, I can guarantee they won't NEED to spy on you.

If you are a violent criminal or terrorist you DESERVE to have your rights revoked.

You sir are an idiot. Have you read either bill? Im assuming not because of the wording you use. If you did, you obviously dont understand them. It will 100% affect free speech. If you read, it says that they also have the right to take down any site that relates to anything illegal, whether or not they are actually doing something illegal. For example, how about a writeup about how to use utorrent? The program itself isnt illegal, but people use it for illegal things. Boom, count that gone. The pirating and sharing you are talking about is what people say is OK to stop, the way its worded goes far beyond doing that. What if you are on a forum and someone posts a video they made with some bands music as the background? Well under SOPA/PIPA that WHOLE website could be shut down. Doesnt really seem right now does it? Now what if I dont like a website. All I have to do is upload something illegal to it and report it. Shut down.

And saying pirating is equivalent to being a violent criminal or terrorist? WTF are you smoking?

rijp said,
SOPA, stop stealing fools, stop downloading and SHARING music that doesn't belong to you, and STOP pirating software over the net.

It's pretty simple, the Govt got involved, why? Because the Free Enterprise system cannot govern itself (RIAA, MPAA has to sue people to get them to stop). that is a sad state of affairs.

It's not going to affect FREE speech or Internet sites, it's just like I say about Fingerprints and DNA and listening to your phone conversations.. if you DON'T have anything to hide, then WHAT is the problem?!?!?

I am going to ask one SIMPLE question, when the Feds threaten to take action because YOU break the law (pirate, steal, copyright infringement, etc..) and they change how OTHER people share that information as a result.. WHAT (And I want SPECIFIC examples) WHAT liberties or freedoms do you give up? Huh?

I want SPECIFICs, not this bogus hogwash about "Uncle sam is spying on me" or "phone companies are watching what I do". That's NOT stopping or FORCING you to change.. it only means they are WATCHING.

I say So WHAT?!?!? Can you still drive ANYWHERE and ANYTIME? Of course you can, so to me it just means you cannot justify stealing intellectual property simple because its on media you can TOUCH, doesn't mean you OWN it.. we all have to SHARE!

It's real simple, very simple. Stop stealing, stop copying, stop using someone else's ideas, that's IT! If you stop, I can guarantee they won't NEED to spy on you.

If you are a violent criminal or terrorist you DESERVE to have your rights revoked.


Why is it that anyone who invokes the "if you have nothing to hide, why are you against this" argument seems to be totally off their rocker?

People are going to steal. This is a fact of life. It was going on before the advent of the internet, and I guarantee you that even if PIPA, SOPA, or what ever other extreme control legislation Congress comes up with were passed, it would still be going on. As frustrating as it is, you are never going to stop it.

Despite that, the entertainment industry's profits have been rising. How do you explain that? We don't even have any of this legislation in place.

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

rijp said,
SOPA, stop stealing fools, stop downloading and SHARING music that doesn't belong to you, and STOP pirating software over the net.

It's pretty simple, the Govt got involved, why? Because the Free Enterprise system cannot govern itself (RIAA, MPAA has to sue people to get them to stop). that is a sad state of affairs.

It's not going to affect FREE speech or Internet sites, it's just like I say about Fingerprints and DNA and listening to your phone conversations.. if you DON'T have anything to hide, then WHAT is the problem?!?!?

I am going to ask one SIMPLE question, when the Feds threaten to take action because YOU break the law (pirate, steal, copyright infringement, etc..) and they change how OTHER people share that information as a result.. WHAT (And I want SPECIFIC examples) WHAT liberties or freedoms do you give up? Huh?

I want SPECIFICs, not this bogus hogwash about "Uncle sam is spying on me" or "phone companies are watching what I do". That's NOT stopping or FORCING you to change.. it only means they are WATCHING.

I say So WHAT?!?!? Can you still drive ANYWHERE and ANYTIME? Of course you can, so to me it just means you cannot justify stealing intellectual property simple because its on media you can TOUCH, doesn't mean you OWN it.. we all have to SHARE!

It's real simple, very simple. Stop stealing, stop copying, stop using someone else's ideas, that's IT! If you stop, I can guarantee they won't NEED to spy on you.

If you are a violent criminal or terrorist you DESERVE to have your rights revoked.

sheep like this moron makes me lose faith in humanity

rijp said,
SOPA, stop stealing fools, stop downloading and SHARING music that doesn't belong to you, and STOP pirating software over the net.

It's pretty simple, the Govt got involved, why? Because the Free Enterprise system cannot govern itself (RIAA, MPAA has to sue people to get them to stop). that is a sad state of affairs.

It's not going to affect FREE speech or Internet sites, it's just like I say about Fingerprints and DNA and listening to your phone conversations.. if you DON'T have anything to hide, then WHAT is the problem?!?!?

I am going to ask one SIMPLE question, when the Feds threaten to take action because YOU break the law (pirate, steal, copyright infringement, etc..) and they change how OTHER people share that information as a result.. WHAT (And I want SPECIFIC examples) WHAT liberties or freedoms do you give up? Huh?

I want SPECIFICs, not this bogus hogwash about "Uncle sam is spying on me" or "phone companies are watching what I do". That's NOT stopping or FORCING you to change.. it only means they are WATCHING.

I say So WHAT?!?!? Can you still drive ANYWHERE and ANYTIME? Of course you can, so to me it just means you cannot justify stealing intellectual property simple because its on media you can TOUCH, doesn't mean you OWN it.. we all have to SHARE!

It's real simple, very simple. Stop stealing, stop copying, stop using someone else's ideas, that's IT! If you stop, I can guarantee they won't NEED to spy on you.

If you are a violent criminal or terrorist you DESERVE to have your rights revoked.

I have no words. Wait... I do... But it's already been said before me.

Ledgem said,

Why is it that anyone who invokes the "if you have nothing to hide, why are you against this" argument seems to be totally off their rocker?

People are going to steal. This is a fact of life. It was going on before the advent of the internet, and I guarantee you that even if PIPA, SOPA, or what ever other extreme control legislation Congress comes up with were passed, it would still be going on.


btw, actually copyright infrigment is not stealing/theft, it's copyright infrigment.
go look for the definitions

rijp said,
Bunch of ignorant sh*t

So if this bill passes, I can still pirate my music, movies, books, software, etc..

I use a tunneling program and it will not make it illegal. It is only hurting the people who deserve a free web.

Please educate yourself on these bills.

Colin McGregor said,
Do any of these supporters even know what PIPA is? everyone seems to act like its gonna shut down every site on the internet.

In a sense it very well could. Learn a bit more about SOPA and PIPA and you will know why it is so terrible and how it could shut down every site on the internet. I'm not saying it will, but only that it could.

Colin McGregor said,
Do any of these supporters even know what PIPA is? everyone seems to act like its gonna shut down every site on the internet.

I was part of a internet censorship debate for my American Government class. Even the team in support of censorship couldn't bring themselves to praise either SOPA or Protect IP. I don't doubt none of the supporters (other than MPAA, etc) understand what the bill is about, and it's true it won't be shutting down the internet, but you need to look more closely at how they're written.
The bills in question are phrased so that any website that enables or promotes the posting of copyrighted content become liable to be blocked, removed from search engines, and trackable on your router. This means sites like Youtube, Tumblr, even Neowin (with the forums, and sometimes articles), anything where users post content immediately become threatened. The legislators say the bills aren't being made to target these high-traffic sites, but that proves their lack of knowledge. When a law is made, regardless of what it's targeting, it sets a precedent to be followed, and if the executive and judicial branches do their jobs, that precedent has to apply to all offenders regardless. So basically, anything you've ever posted on, liable for legal action on criminal accounts.

THAT'S what they don't understand.

Colin McGregor said,
Do any of these supporters even know what PIPA is? everyone seems to act like its gonna shut down every site on the internet.

In the most simple of terms, it does in fact give the power to shut down entire websites. The legislation is very loose and if 'they' want to stop piracy this is not the way to go.

Might I just add that I strongly oppose PIPA and SOPA. Alone they will destroy the free internet.

In my opinion, the internet is owned by the people, those who use it, contribute to it and those who have made it be what it is today. Authority of what content is on the internet should never be passed to politicians, simple minded and ignorant individuals.

Colin McGregor said,
Do any of these supporters even know what PIPA is? everyone seems to act like its gonna shut down every site on the internet.

tl;dr gives government complete control of internets

Colin McGregor said,
Do any of these supporters even know what PIPA is? everyone seems to act like its gonna shut down every site on the internet.

It could very well just do that. Right now it's only targeting IP, tomorrow who knows what else it'll be allowed to target. "Terroristic activities" (Such a board term, I know) comes to mind.

Dot Matrix said,

It could very well just do that. Right now it's only targeting IP, tomorrow who knows what else it'll be allowed to target. "Terroristic activities" (Such a board term, I know) comes to mind.

News flash, the US already blocks certain sites. Example: Child porn.

itylernallen said,

In a sense it very well could. Learn a bit more about SOPA and PIPA and you will know why it is so terrible and how it could shut down every site on the internet. I'm not saying it will, but only that it could.

Learn a bit more about our government and how laws are made and you will know why it isn't going to get stopped, only reworded. Godaddy was working with the government to keep provisions in it to protect us and US companies. They got blasted by consumers and had to step out of the political process. Who is in there defending us now? Google, MS, etc are all refusing to get in the political process and put the provisions in to protect us. It isn't a question about if something is going to get passed, the question is how badly will it screw us over with nobody there to protect us anymore because we demonize anyone trying to work with the government to fix the bill. Get off the bandwagons.

ILikeTobacco said,

Learn a bit more about our government and how laws are made and you will know why it isn't going to get stopped, only reworded. Godaddy was working with the government to keep provisions in it to protect us and US companies. They got blasted by consumers and had to step out of the political process. Who is in there defending us now? Google, MS, etc are all refusing to get in the political process and put the provisions in to protect us. It isn't a question about if something is going to get passed, the question is how badly will it screw us over with nobody there to protect us anymore because we demonize anyone trying to work with the government to fix the bill. Get off the bandwagons.

GoDaddy was a supporter, you don't have to be a supporter to have wording changed in it

Sraf said,

GoDaddy was a supporter, you don't have to be a supporter to have wording changed in it

To be a supporter, it means you agree that the bill should eventually be passed. They were trying to get the wording changed so it could be passed and not screw us. We all know something will be passed, the only question is how bad will we get screwed. Thanks to your line of thought though, anyone who tries to get in the negotiation process is viewed as against the people. It is a circle and we have screwed ourselves by telling Godaddy and others to stop negotiation and take the hard line of no bill at all which realistically will not happen. If SOPA goes down, we will see another bill in the future that does the same thing, just under the radar so we can't complain. It is now a one sided arguement where the only people telling the government what it should do in the one place it matters, the hearings, is the MPAA and RIAA. We screwed ourselves so stop pretending getting Godaddy and others out of the hearings was a good thing. Originally US companies weren't even going to be affected by this but because they were not there to argue that point anymore, nobody stopped that from changing.

smartin0115 said,

I was part of a internet censorship debate for my American Government class. Even the team in support of censorship couldn't bring themselves to praise either SOPA or Protect IP. I don't doubt none of the supporters (other than MPAA, etc) understand what the bill is about, and it's true it won't be shutting down the internet, but you need to look more closely at how they're written.

That other "team" is afraid of backlash..and it's NOT a true debate if that's the case. Put me on that team, I can defend it. I don't NEED to be in favor or support SOPA to understand WHY they are doing it! It takes extreme reactions to MAKE people do the right thing, because nothing is working now.. so your class sounds like a bunch of bafoons if they CAN'T come up with reasons why, all because their "friends" won't like them anymore.. if they CAN'T understand your difference, then they aren't "friends" at all.

It's not censoring.. what did you read the first page of the legislation and make up your mind before you read the ENTIRE thing? Yeah, that's just great.. jump to conclusions, make the wrong impression..

I hope you OWN a business where you have to sell something intangible maybe THEN you will see how it feels when people STEAL your life.. and you can't stop them. It's about BEING tolerant and have some damn principles to stand on, not about what they CAN take from you. If you don't understand that, maybe you need to go back a couple of grades because it's CLEAR you missed something.

Go look up the definition of CENSORSHIP fool, you have no CLUE what it truly means.. SOPA isn't about censorship at all.

smartin0115 said,

I was part of a internet censorship debate for my American Government class. Even the team in support of censorship couldn't bring themselves to praise either SOPA or Protect IP. I don't doubt none of the supporters (other than MPAA, etc) understand what the bill is about, and it's true it won't be shutting down the internet, but you need to look more closely at how they're written.

That other "team" is afraid of backlash..and it's NOT a true debate if that's the case. Put me on that team, I am defend it. I don't NEED to be in favor or support SOPA to understand WHY they are doing it! It takes extreme reactions to MAKE people do the right thing, because nothing is working now.. so your class sounds like a bunch of bafoons if they CAN'T come up with reasons why, all because their "friends" won't like them anymore.. if they CAN'T understand your difference, then they aren't "friends" at all.